Thanks for comments, Luca :-)
but in the meantime he's bound to change the style of every object he
draws.
I don't understand what you mean. Changing the tool style doesn't affect objects that are already on the canvas. It only affects what we draw after making the change.
My mind is probably stuck with my workflow, but I really can't see any
usefulness of such a per tool fixed configuration.
Well, I don't really know what your workflow is. It's not a permanently fixed configuration. Both options are still available. Newbies will be free to switch. I'm just asking for something intuitive for them to start with.
And as I said before. This will ONLY, Repeat, ONLY affect newbies. (ONLY!) Existing users' preferences file will make certain that they continue to use Inkscape as they have been.
Also as I said before, providing an option to select the style first, and draw second is fine with me. As long as it's an option, and not forced on me.
But that won't stop the questions from coming. In my opinion, newbies are looking to draw first, style second, just like Inkscape is designed. If they weren't, we wouldn't be getting this question, over and over and over again.
Inkscape is so much like drawing on paper with pencil/pen. Even with an option to style first, draw second, they may or may not find it. There will still be these questions coming in.
IMHO fixing the style is just a way to hide this problem under
the carpet (which can be both a good and a bad thing with new users). So the proposals to change the current behavior into _first_the_style_ (and being able to clearly see the current one) and then _draw_ would achieve the double objective of making happy what seems to be a lot of current users while improving the friendliness of the interface toward inexperienced users.
I don't see having an option to style first, draw second as a solution. If newbies weren't naturally looking to draw first, style second, we would not be getting this question so much. Just the fact that we're getting this over and over is an indication of what they're expecting.
Plus, you can't impose this kind of a change on existing users, asking them to change their workflow. But the only way to completely stop this question (by this solution), is to do just that.
The simple solution is to just change what is presented to newbies the first time they open the program. Well, at least it seems simple to me. I don't see it sweeping under the rug, because I don't see draw first, style second as a problem. It's a preference, period!
That's how I see it, anyway.
Thanks again, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: LucaDC Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 6:57 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fwd: Re: last used style #2
Hi Brynn, you're obviously free to make the feature request, but I'm not sure the solution you propose is the best one.
From a first-time user point of view I think that having all circles with a
fixed style and all rectangles with another fixed one may be confusing. Then he may learn how to go inside the configuration window and change those fixed styles (and say: "Ooh, what's that use-last-style wonderful option?" :) ) but in the meantime he's bound to change the style of every object he draws. My mind is probably stuck with my workflow, but I really can't see any usefulness of such a per tool fixed configuration.
The point for new users is to understand that they _first_ have to draw, _after_ they can change the style. And this is what is discussed in this thread: it is a counterintuitive way of working. IMHO fixing the style is just a way to hide this problem under the carpet (which can be both a good and a bad thing with new users). So the proposals to change the current behavior into _first_the_style_ (and being able to clearly see the current one) and then _draw_ would achieve the double objective of making happy what seems to be a lot of current users while improving the friendliness of the interface toward inexperienced users.
This is what in my understandings is the link between your first request and the following posts, not something completely unrelated as you may have thought.
Luca
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