Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)

14 Jun 2016

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I'd take the feature either way, just for clarification. A visual cue
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would be welcome, even if it's not absolutely necessary, and would add to
the ease of use if it is indeed fast enough.
Just because the visual que isn't there to start with, doesn't it wont
ever be. :)
That's true. If the visual cue is not a priority feature, that's fine. I'd
rather have the new feature in a working state for testing than to wait and
have it all at once. :)
My 2p.
-C
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-C
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(but the requested feature sounds enormously useful, especially for
toggling through nodes that are placed (almost) directly above each
other)
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Regards,
 Maren
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Would these, either Spacebar or Enter key, be customizable, using
Inkscape Preferences?
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Thanks,
brynn

From: C R
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:06 AM
To: Brynn
Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Olof and I discussed also using the Enter key as a toggle for
selecting the
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node to avoid having to click as much. This key is also free from
bindings in the Node Tool, and makes an intuitive natural key for
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selecting/deselecting. As an alternative, I'd suggest the spacebar
(which can be used on websites for toggling radio buttons/checkboxes),
but I fear a
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clash with grabbing the view to drag, which I also dearly love. :)
It's
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possible that it's not too much of a clash, as it's tapping vs
holding.
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-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Yes, I watched his video :-)
If we weren't in the middle of a release cycle, it would be nice to
discuss
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the mouse snapping or maybe called pointer snapping.  But Olof
tells me the
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snapping is super heavy in the program.
And I would be happy with either of your solutions  :-)
Thanks,
brynn
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From: C R
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:19 AM
To: Brynn
Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Clicking and dragging selects every node the circle touches, as if
you were
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painting the selection. The distance is controlled by the bounds of
the
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circle, which is better, since you can control the radius as shown,
with
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the
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mouse wheel for extra precision.
Olof's selection tool is better for instances where nodes are very
close
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together though (make sure you watch his video):
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https://youtu.be/dy3YQWLBb4Y
Both would be awesome to have, but I think Olof is right about the
complexity of the paint select tool being hard to impliment vs his
very
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nice, and tidy solution, which may work better for your case anyway.
:)
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-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi C R,
      From my simple user's perspective, that seems like it should
help.
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But
the optional distance setting would need to be closer than Inks
Prefs
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dialog
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(and not require a restart, like grab sensitivity).
      Between the brush idea and the key stroke idea, it seems like
they
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are
very similar.  Either way, it's the area around the mouse pointer
where the
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node is selected.  So it seems like the "brush" select would be
more fluid.
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But how would it be enabled?  Do you click to grab the node, or does
just touching it with the "brush" select it?  This seems very similar
to
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the lasso select which was mentioned earlier in this thread.  If the
lasso could
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be made to work with the Node tool (in all systems), then maybe you
could just add the "brush" to it?  (Of course, keeping in mind my
non-technical perspective, hah.)
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  Thanks for everyone's interest in this  :-)

All best,
brynn
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From: C R
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:54 AM
To: Brynn
Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
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As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've
discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly.
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Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the
Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
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In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too.  I would have to try it first, before I
know if it
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helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does?  While it
doesn't
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affect the  Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool.  It works
great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart.  But on a
crowded canvas,
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it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to
select.  I
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guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
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I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best,
brynn

From: C R
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM
To: Brynn
Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting
small
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nodes.
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If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can
adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint
over
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the nodes
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you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the
selection
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mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be
more
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intuitive.
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On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear
presentation of the situation and request.  Just take me a little time
to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
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Thanks again,
brynn

From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:59 AM
To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position
values
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in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse.  If
you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you
can
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place your
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mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed
coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom
level.
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What
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you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels
coordinates translated into document's coordinates.
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A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag
out
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a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin
whatever you want to be exactly there.
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Luca
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