On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, bulia byak wrote:
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:27:16 -0400
From: bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...>
To: Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...>
Cc: Inkscape is a vector graphics editor
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: layer commands we need
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:55:05 +0000 (GMT), Alan Horkan
> The Gnome HIG discourages using negatives like "Unhide" and as far as I
> can remember it would recommend using "Show All in Layer" instead.
Makes sense, especially since we already have Select All in All Layers.
> > Flatten layers // merge all siblings with the current layer
> Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your description but do you expect that this
> going to work like the GIMP/Photoshop where they have
> Merge Down
> merges the current layer into the layer below it.
> Merge Visible
> merges all the visible layers together
> Flatten Image
> merges all layers down leaving only the bottom Background layer
Yes, Merge Down is a good idea to have. But what is the difference
between Merge Visible and Flatten Image?
If it's only that the latter affects all layers including
ones, then I don't need we need a separate command for this. Instead we
need a way to unhide all layers.
Well the difference is that if you want to keep working on a layer you can
hide it temporarily and flatten the rest and keep working with a more
managable two or three layers.
You want to Include "Merge Visible" but not both with "Flatten
I suppose that works, hadn't thought of it that way. Hopefully it wont
confuse artists with bad habits too much.
I definately agree that Show All Layers is worthwhile functionality,
irrespective of any layer merging functionality.
I think "Merge visible" should only work on the siblings of
current layer. So perhaps it's better called "Merge sibling layers",
with "visible" being implied (we don't generally do anything to
Siblings seems extremely confusing to me, I hardly ever use the word
siblings (brothers, sisters, family but almost never siblings) and I'm a
native English speaker and as I user I wouldn't be sure what exactly it
might mean (i did already have to ask) so it is bordering on complex
I'm still trying to understand what exactly you mean. Are you thinking of
having an option called 'Merge sibling layers' that would merge the
current layer with the layer below it and also the layer above it? This
seems like overkill, it is confusing because I think it would be a rare
enough use case. If the user wanted to merge three layers they could
start on the top and merge down twice (it would of course need a good
keybinding, preferably the same as either the GIMP or Photoshop but I
think this is a common workflow at least from all the graphics tutorials
I've gone through in magazines). Merging down repeatedly is really very
effective, almost elegantly simple in its effectiveness.
I would urge you to implement the necessary infrastructure, but include
menu items for the more straight forward "Merge Down" and whichever of
"Flatten Image/Merge Visible" you prefer or both (and as usual I'm a firm
believer in keeping consistant with other applications and I think this is
a good case for it).
With that familiar functionality and the show/hide options you intend to
implement users should be able to efficiently do all they need to do.
I would hope that user-developers in need of more complex functionality
would be able to implement it using extensions. I'd be intersted in
hearing more of what layer functionality you think would be useful as I
might try implementing something similar as a Script-Fu script for the
Also it may be useful to have a "Merge sublayers" command
remove all sublayers copying their contents to the parent layer.
This all seems very complicated to use and catering to very specialised
cases. Are we confident that most users will even use layers? I would
have thought the average user with small projects would stick to groups
and moving things around on one layer (it was years before I started using
Layers in Dia and then only to break up more complicated diagrams).
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