5:35 a.m.
Replying to various comments from different messages, all in one place.
From this message:
> Snap tab:
> I don't usually change those snap settings. So such a change probably
> would
> not affect me. But I can imagine some people probably change them per
> document.
I'd like to know the use case for this.
I don't have a use case. But I trust the developers who designed it knew
what they were doing. I'm glad Diederik has responded.
> Display section on Page tab (page border, color, shadow,
antialiasing):
> I hide and display the page border, sometimes several times per document.
> I
> do it so often sometimes, I've wished for a key shortcut! While in some
> documents, I never use it. It doesn't seem appropriate to take it out of
> Doc. Props. (to me).
>
> (I want it out of the way while I'm drawing. But then from time to time,
> I
> want to see it, to judge the overall visual balance and scale of the
> drawing
> as a whole.)
Obviously your main point is to have the option for toggling the
border display handy and it doesn't matter much whether it's a
document preference or an Inkscape setting, right?
So, what about moving those options into the 'View' menu (where they
could also get shortcuts assigned)?
Sure, that would be fine with me, except for 2 things:
1 - don't take it out of Doc Props without putting the new menu item in
2 - I've been told (in long ago old messages, and might have been in a
forum) that key shortcuts come at a premium....meaning that there aren't
many available anymore.
I think that old message was in regard to snapping. Originally, when
snapping first was available, you could hold a key (I think was Shift, but
my memory might not be accurate) to globally disable snapping. I found was
indispensible!
But the next version of Inkscape, that shortcut was removed, because it had
another function. (If you were dragging a node, it would drag out a handle
instead of disabling snapping.) So that's how I have the impression that
key shortcuts can't be handed out like candy.
Personally, I always leave it checked even though I mostly use
Inkscape for web-based work where displaying the border like a page is
rather undesireable. Though I guess most people don't care about that
option.
There's no automatic usage feedback in Inkscape to clarify such things,
right?
There's no automatice usage feedback in Inkscape....not that I've ever heard
of. I'd have to seriously investigate such a feature, before using it
willingly! Please don't turn Inkscape into another guugle app!
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From this msg:
From: "Sebastian Zartner" <sebastianzartner@...400...>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 5:04 AM
To: "Diederik van Lierop" <mail@...1689...>
Cc: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...3165...>; "Brynn"
<brynn@...3133...>;
"Inkscape" <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog
I have to admit that I've totally missed that toolbar until now. So,
those options should indeed be moved there. I agree that this makes
the toolbar pretty crowded, though that may be handled by introducing
toolbar button menus or by turning this toolbar into a dialog.
I would very much disagree about turning the snap toolbar into a dialog!!
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From this msg:
From: "Sebastian Zartner" <sebastianzartner@...400...>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 5:23 AM
To: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...>
Cc: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...3165...>; "Inkscape-Devel"
<inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog
While writing this, I forgot about my own suggestion. What about
moving guides and grids into a separate dialog? Doing so, those would
still be document specific though could be adjusted separately from
the general document properties.
I don't see turning 1 dialog into 2 or 3 dialogs as an improvement. To be
honest, I replied right away to this message because I don't see anything
wrong with the Document Properties dialog.
If someone asked me, I might point to the page border shadow as a problem,
because I just don't see what use it is. But more than that, I don't see
any problems.
Personally, I use snapping, together with either grids or guides in
literally every new document. So now I will have to open 2 or 3 dialogs at
the beginning of each new document? It doesn't make sense to me.
Granted, I'm just a simple user, and not a developer. But it seems to me
like everything that someone needs to set up a document, should be all in
one dialog.
All best,
brynn
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From: "Sebastian Zartner" <sebastianzartner@...400...>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 4:49 AM
To: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...>
Cc: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...3165...>; "Inkscape-Devel"
<inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog
> On 30 May 2016 at 04:32, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
>>>> On the Page tab, what happened to the Display section, where you can
>>>> show
>>>> or
>>>> hide the page border, or disable antialiasing?
>>>
>>>
>>> The display options would be moved to the general 'Preferences'
>>> dialog, i.e. be made global. I assume there is not much need to set
>>> them per document. Regarding the page border field, see below.
>>>
>>>> What is the benefit of moving Grids and Snap tabs to a separate dialog?
>>>> Same
>>>> for Scripting tab?
>>>
>>>
>>> Grids and snap options are not document properties in my eyes but
>>> helper functionality. Also, snapping is rather a global functionality
>>> than specific to a document.
>>
>>
>> Respectfully, I disagree.
>>
>> Grids tab:
>> Sometimes I might have 2 or 3 grids in 1 file (although only 1 at a time
>> is
>> visible). But other times, no grids at all. So this is very much a "per
>> document" feature for me.
>
> Convinced, adding the tab back.
>
>> Snap tab:
>> I don't usually change those snap settings. So such a change probably
>> would
>> not affect me. But I can imagine some people probably change them per
>> document.
>
> I'd like to know the use case for this. As written in the response to
> Diederik, I believe that this feature is only used in cases where the
> snapping is not smart enough.
>
> Display section on Page tab (page border, color, shadow,
antialiasing):
> I hide and display the page border, sometimes several times per document.
> I
> do it so often sometimes, I've wished for a key shortcut! While in some
> documents, I never use it. It doesn't seem appropriate to take it out of
> Doc. Props. (to me).
>
> (I want it out of the way while I'm drawing. But then from time to time,
> I
> want to see it, to judge the overall visual balance and scale of the
> drawing
> as a whole.)
Obviously your main point is to have the option for toggling the
border display handy and it doesn't matter much whether it's a
document preference or an Inkscape setting, right?
So, what about moving those options into the 'View' menu (where they
could also get shortcuts assigned)?
>
>> Although I suppose one could use Guides instead. From that point of
>> view,
>> the border could be eliminated. But I think it's just too convenient of
>> a
>> feature, to get rid of.
>>
>> For me, the border shadow could be eliminated. I never use it. But I
>> have
>> no idea about how other people use it.
Personally, I always leave it checked even though I mostly use
Inkscape for web-based work where displaying the border like a page is
rather undesireable. Though I guess most people don't care about that
option.
There's no automatic usage feedback in Inkscape to clarify such things,
right?
>> I also think antialiasing is a "per document" feature. From
time to
>> time,
>> in forums, we suggest changing that for a particular image or file.
>
> What are the use cases for this? Would it be enough to be able to
> toggle it globally via the 'View' menu as mentioned above or is it
> really something that should be part of the document?
>
>> Guides tab:
>> I didn't originally comment on Guides, but I see them as very much a
"per
>> document" feature.
>
> The guides themselves are of course per-document. I am just wondering
> whether the three related settings 'Show guides', 'Guide color' and
> 'Highlight color' need to be document properties.
>
> Sebastian