You can set the palette so that you don't have to scroll it. Just choose "Wrap" from the...well, it's a jump-up menu I guess. It does make the palette taller, so that it takes space from the canvas. But you can also change the size and width of the color chips.
I know, but wrapping this large palette by default (in my computer it jumps to four lines) would make the interface even more unwelcoming. Never used that option.
When you're talking about having RGB colors, do you mean you want the
tooltip to show the rgb numbers?
Sorry for my english, I was saying `RGB palette` because I supposed that the default palette was a large palette of RGB combinations. I was proposing to reduce it drastically. I'd also proposed to keep this large palette separated to let users keep it as the default on its local inkscape.
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:05 PM brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
You can set the palette so that you don't have to scroll it. Just choose "Wrap" from the...well, it's a jump-up menu I guess. It does make the palette taller, so that it takes space from the canvas. But you can also change the size and width of the color chips.
When you're talking about having RGB colors, do you mean you want the tooltip to show the rgb numbers? If so, couldn't the rgb numbers be added to the hexcode, which currently shows in the tooltip? Or are RGB colors somehow different? If so, why not have a separate RGB palette in the menu?
I would agree that palette menu is very hard to find! I don't think it would hurt to make the button twice it's current size. Or maybe even put it in the View menu?
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: Xaviju Julián Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 2:47 AM To: brynn@...3133... Cc: bryce@...961... ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Default Palette
The question here is wether if the Inkscape default palette should have a few selected colors or display by default all the rgb palette.
Pains: is a bit unusable (looooong horizontal scroll) and harsh (as Martin pointed out). Cons: is more useful to have all rgb colors.
What do other similar software do? Most of the other design software out there limit the palette to a number of colors and allow users to change it to other palettes or modify it. They also have an option to display all RGB colors but is not usually a palette. When we talk about a palette, we usually talk about a very limited amount of colors.
How to keep it usable, useful and not ugly?
The palettes from other dev softwares are not very different from the default inkscape palette, they just display by default a much more limited tonality scale with less variations.
About Tango (I love that palette and is my default palette for rapid prototyping) I think is an opinionated palette so I won't go with that one by default.
My guess is that drastically reducing the current default palette and avoiding the default scroll with a tonality scale that could fit multiple uses would be useful and more welcoming. Is not a big change but could be nice. I'd also suggest a redesign of the button to change palettes to make it more visible.
I'd be happy to work on a default palette proposal :)
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 10:29 PM brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Out of curiosity, how frequently have you seen complaints about the
default palette?
I may have seen one, in 10 or 11 years in Inkscape forums. It's part of the reason I wanted to comment to Martin's original message.
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: Bryce Harrington Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:26 PM To: brynn Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net ; Maximilian Gaukler Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Default Palette
On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 12:39:38AM -0600, brynn wrote:
Just for a comment from a humble and simple user, I like the default palette. Of course I'm not really an artist, and know little to nothing about color theory, or what makes good color or bad color. I really just like bright colors. But the default palette seems to provide a wide
range
of colors.
Quote from doctormo: "Unwelcoming - The colours, when viewed for the first time, do not create warmth and joy to the eyes."
Hhhmm, they actually do create warmth and joy to my eyes. I'd rather
have
them logically organized, than organized towards beauty. Although again, I'm completely untrained.
Although having said all that, and now speaking as someone who answers support questions (which include complaints sometimes too) day in and day out. It's very easy to change the palette and it's relatively easy to install new palettes. Plus, it's fairly easy to make a Swatches palette (Auto palette), if you want to make with RGB and don't want to create a palette and install it. If I saw complaints in a forum about the default palette, that's how I would answer them. (Plus I would suggest a feature request, if they wanted to make it "official".)
Out of curiosity, how frequently have you seen complaints about the default palette?
Bryce
What if the user could organize the palette to suit themselves? Drag and drop? (although including some way to revert to default, in case chips
got
accidentally dragged and dropped)
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: Maximilian Gaukler Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 6:58 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Default Palette
To add a use case, users that create drawings for a laser cutter often need to set the color to RGB red (RGB 255,0,0) and sometimes also green, blue, yellow or purple. Similar looking colors don't work because postprocessing tools match the exact color.
It is also helpful to have the most extreme options contained in a palette (just as you expect full black and white there, and not just some soft gray).
But I agree that the color palette right of fuchsia is not very helpful and could be rearranged or changed.
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