I think this discussion would be better done off-list. This is getting a bit overly argumentative.
Bryce
On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 12:01:08AM +0100, Alan Horkan wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, bulia byak wrote:
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:25:55 -0300 From: bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...> To: Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> Cc: inkscape-devel inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: New Inkscape Goals?
On 9/27/05, Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> wrote:
Comparing inkscape to other software is useful but I think it is more useful to compare it to commercial software with a large user base rather and see what might help bring Inkscape to the widest possible audience. Comparing to Xara has some benefit but it is a minor product which Corel lost interest in but still imitates many aspects of Corel software, and even Corel is far behind both Adobe and Macromedia in terms of market and overemphasising it (as you accuse me of over emphasing Adobe) threatens to marginalise Inkscape. If you are going to imitate, at least imitate the winnners not the also ran.
Of course I don't care much which commercial packages _you_ consider worthy or worthless.
Your words not mine. I'm not saying Xara is worthless but what I am saying it is you are giving it a massively disproproptionate worth compared to other far more successful products.
I can judge them for myself, thank you very much. I'm pretty sure there are Xara and Corel fans other than me to refute what you say above.
Xara and Corel fans are going to give Inkscape its best reviews but there are not as many of them as there are Adobe and Macromedia users it is a shame all your zeal comes from Xara and you dont seem to have been influenced by much else.
I just wanted to point out that your "winner takes all" mentality seems to permeate many of your other opinions and assessments, making them much less useful.
I didn't say winner takes all but it makes more sense to look at the more successful products first, namely Adobe Illustrator, Macromedia Freehand and Corel Draw (pretty much in that order).
Frankly, it baffles me that with all the rants about Illustrator's atrocious usability and clumsiness, both on this list and everywhere on the net,
feel free to link to some of them in the wiki and use the Other Projects if they are so numerous and easy to find.
you still keep championing it as the sole example for us to measure against. I think I'd rather stop trying to convince you, it seems pointless by now.
Prime example, but not the only example.
You are wrong, and everyone can see this easily by going to that page.
They can see you didn't point out anything Xara did badly but instead made a list of features Inkscape has that Xara doesn't.
It's a long and detailed list of differences between the two programs, designed for those who want to make up their own minds:
Whereas most of the other pages are not trying to evangelise inkscape and repeating a whole lot of things developers already know but point out features worth copying from other applications or worth doing better which.
Stop and ask yourself why people are ranting
In fact, I don't see anyone here ranting, except you. Where are all those rants that you're speaking about?
Only the hypothetical ones you brought up, but perhaps I shouldn't have responded to one hypotherical with another.
Gimp gets tons of them, and deservedly so. But we are not Gimp.
You were just saying you would welcome that kind of criticism.
We are different.
Just about but your suggestion about ignoring criticism you didn't like to hear sounded terribly familiar and a fast track to being just like them.
- Alan
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