Re: [Inkscape-devel] pressure sensitivity for Pencil tool using powerstroke?

3 Sep 2017

      ...
It would really be nice to see
fancy brushes into Inkscape like you see in Illustrator, but we just
don't have the resource or development yet (snip)
Jabier is currently working on brushes (of various types), which was
and should continue to be the focus of this thread.
I recommend we get back to that, and save the software comparison
analogies for another thread.
We should concentrate on helping with the UI tweaks Jabier and others
are requesting, which Inkscape needs to support his new (and old)
features.
-C
...
Just my 2 cents.
On 9/2/2017 9:12 PM, brynn wrote:
...
...
for Inkscape to become a
better vector-brush drawing program
Does Inkscape really strive to be a vector-brush drawing program??
Isn't that like saying "vector paint program"?
I've really seen the term brush used more and more lately, in
reference to Inkscape, and in what I consider to be an inappropriate
way.  Inkscape can achieve brush-like effects, with great effort.  But
unless there really is some plan to actually add true brushes, and
develop Inkscape in that direction, I think we should discourage using
that term.  It gives a false impression of Inkscape capabilities, imo.
As it's referred to on the Pen and Pencil control bars, I think Shapes
is better, referring to the profile of the stroke.  Shapes, or maybe
even "stroke profiles".
Referring to a different comment in this thread, I didn't intend to
"bash" GIMP earlier.  I just dislike the interface, as a personal
opinion.  There's every chance it's an effective interface for a
raster program.  But I don't think it would be effective for
Inkscape.  What's wrong with the Shapes menu, to hold the stroke
profiles or so-called "brushes"?
All best,
brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:39 AM
To: Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz
Cc: inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] pressure sensitivity for Pencil tool
using powerstroke?
I think breaking out the brushes and effects into a dialog of its own
is really the only way to go. I've not encountered a single graphics
program out there which handles many (potentially customisable)
brushes that doesn't have it's own side-panel/dock for the brush
pallet. It really MUST happen at some point for Inkscape to become a
better vector-brush drawing program.
Thanks to all for the hard work on this, esp Jabier!
-C
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:53 PM, Jabier Arraiza
<jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
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Hi all.
As far I undertand boolop union result is more for the caligraphic tool
than for the pencil tool.
Anyway we have a feature that Nate like too much and is not pressent in
Calligrapic tool is the min/max pressure. This is easy to do but we
need more space on the toolbox because it not fit into my monitor size.
Is not the only tool that have this problem and when the program grow
the problem become bigger. Also because the lack of space we need to
compress the widgets and make hard to undertand. The cuestion:
¿What about removing this toolbar by a tool dialog in the right like
for example Gimp, that autoupdate controls between tool changes?
This give "unlimited" size to expand tools. Also I'm in favor of a
expander at the end of this dialog for advanced users or not all day
use features.
Finaly seems easy boolop union with previous strokes in calligraphic
tool.
Cheers, Jabier.
On Mon, 2017-08-28 at 13:13 -0400, Nate Yungkans wrote:
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Hi! I figure I'll just throw myself in here.
It sounds like you are requesting something like the Adobe
illustrator blob brush. Essentially this tool is like Inkscape's
calligraphy brush with an auto merge feature. Which could in fact be
a handy feature. In illustrator you can paint with the brush and the
new shapes merge it with a selection or a layer or maybe even all.
The same effect can be achieved by using Inkscape's calligraphy brush
and then merging the shapes. All the blob brush does is make that
automatic.
The really cool thing you added to the pencil that would also be cool
on the calligraphy tool is the Max/min size.
Illustrator Bob brush tool: https://youtu.be/4bhltsqSp_0
Am I correct in my interpretation of what you are asking for Miguel?
On Aug 27, 2017 10:12 PM, "Miguel Lopez" <reptillia39@...3425...>
wrote:
...
I like the work that's being done, by the way, I have a suggestion.
You know how you can spray objects and have the path joined
together, right? I'd like to see the option to do that while
stroking.
On 8/27/2017 6:38 PM, Ivan Louette via Inkscape-devel wrote:
...
Very convincing ! And there we have even more control than
Expression for simple lines !
ivan
Le Lundi 28 août 2017 0h27, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...1761....3394...
.es> a écrit :
Hi all!
This week I do a similar implementation and mark it for merge
request.
Here are a preview of the new branch running:
https://archive.org/details/inkscapepencilpressure
All the best, Jabier.
On Mon, 2017-08-21 at 22:36 -0400, Nate Yungkans wrote:
> Hi All,
> I'm Nate, the one who posted in the forums. I started just
asking if
> the feature existed, but was told I should ask for it as a
feature so
> here I am. Hello :)  First I wanted to say I love the program
and
> find the features super useful. The powerstroke is one of the
coolest
> features and I am having a lot of fun playing around with it. I
have
> been an Adobe Illustrator for years but I am already enjoying
> inkscape more. Anyways, the reason I was asking about pressure
> sensitive line work is because it could be a huge time saver
for
> manga art(or any extensive line art) where line work is
incredibly
> important. It seems like all of the features actually exist in
> Inkscape, but not together as a tool. The calligraphy pen works
> nicely with pressure and the mass(for precision), but if the
line
> needs to be edited in an meaningful way, they basically need to
be
> redrawn.
>
> The powerstroke feature is awesome, but in its current state
may
> require a lot of manual setting line thicknesses if there are a
lot
> of complicated lines. Being able to control the stroke width
via
> pressure would make it a very smooth process. Unfortunately it
would
> not be as useful without a preview as you draw. Maybe it could
use
> the same preview the calligraphy tool uses? Even if that isn't
a 100%
> representation of the final product, it would guide the user to
> understand how much pressure they are applying.
>
> I asked about an auto simplify feature not only for the benefit
of
> reducing the number of nodes, but also in aiding fast smoothed
line
> work. I see that a line drawn with a pencil has a smoothing
feature,
> maybe that can also be applied to the powerstroke outer lines
as
> well; or maybe the pressure has an adjustable sample rate?
>
> Additionally, it would be fantastic if there was a way to
increase or
> decrease the relative distance of the powerstroke nodes from
main
> path. In essence it would be like increasing or decreasing the
width
> of the powerstroke. As an example I recorded my screen using a
> variable brush tool in Illustrator. It reads the pen pressure
and
> applies it to the stroke, but also allows that stroke to be
increases
> or decreased.
>
> Screen capture example Video: https://youtu.be/u78JlGD9Y34
>
> Example of the adobe brush tool simplify/fidelity options: http
s://yo
> utu.be/iIW_oeUcO2E?t=144
>
> That same tool in adobe also has settings to control/limit the
brush
> size and shape. I've been utilizing mass, thinning and fixation
to
> accomplish this effect in Inkscape.
>
>
>  https://youtu.be/iIW_oeUcO2E?t=97
>
>
> I think that covers what I was originally asking about and
more.
> Hopefully it was not too much. Thanks so much for all the hard
work
> you have put into the program!  I know this software is a lot
of work
> and new features are no small thing. I am not really a
programmer so
> I can't contribute to the effort that way, but if you have a
need or
> desire to include a UX/UI designer I would be happy to help!
>
> Manga line example that I did not draw:
>
>
> If you got through the whole email, thanks for listening!
> -Nate
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Nate
>
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza
@marke
> r.es> wrote:
> > I wait he present to the list to reply.
> >
> > Cheers, Jabier.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2017-08-21 at 05:44 -0600, brynn wrote:
> > > > Hi Brynn.
> > >
> > > Great and easy to do. I could do if we want. The problem is
no
> > > realtime
> > > preview, so you need to finish the path to see the variable
> > width.
> > >
> > > Maybe I can add a preview while drawing but this is more
complex.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Jabier.
> > > ________________________________________________
> > >
> > > Well I don't use this kind of feature myself.  So I
couldn't say
> > if
> > > the lack of
> > > live preview would be crippling. I'll try to get the
person who
> > > posted the
> > > message to subscribe to the list, so he can give comments.
> > >
> > > How would it work?  Would it add pink nodes where the
pressure is
> > > greater?  And
> > > then the artist drags them after the path is finished?  Or
would
> > the
> > > variable
> > > width be immediately evident when the path is finished?
> > >
> > > And it would only work with graphics tablets?
> > >
> > > One benefit for such a tool (it seems to me) would be that
the
> > number
> > > of nodes
> > > probably would not build up so fast, as it does with
Calligraphy.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Jabier.  I'll try to get this guy to subscribe so
he can
> > > discuss
> > > directly.
> > >
> > > All best,,
> > > brynn
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jabier Arraiza
> > > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:23 AM
> > > To: brynn ; Inkscape-Devel
> > > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] pressure sensitivity for
Pencil
> > tool
> > > using
> > > powerstroke?
> > >
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