On 31 May 2016 at 22:35, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Display section on Page tab (page border, color, shadow, antialiasing): I hide and display the page border, sometimes several times per document. I do it so often sometimes, I've wished for a key shortcut! While in some documents, I never use it. It doesn't seem appropriate to take it out of Doc. Props. (to me).
(I want it out of the way while I'm drawing. But then from time to time, I want to see it, to judge the overall visual balance and scale of the drawing as a whole.)
Obviously your main point is to have the option for toggling the border display handy and it doesn't matter much whether it's a document preference or an Inkscape setting, right? So, what about moving those options into the 'View' menu (where they could also get shortcuts assigned)?
Sure, that would be fine with me, except for 2 things: 1 - don't take it out of Doc Props without putting the new menu item in
Of course. I've added that to the wiki article.
2 - I've been told (in long ago old messages, and might have been in a forum) that key shortcuts come at a premium....meaning that there aren't many available anymore.
I think that old message was in regard to snapping. Originally, when snapping first was available, you could hold a key (I think was Shift, but my memory might not be accurate) to globally disable snapping. I found was indispensible!
But the next version of Inkscape, that shortcut was removed, because it had another function. (If you were dragging a node, it would drag out a handle instead of disabling snapping.) So that's how I have the impression that key shortcuts can't be handed out like candy.
Sure, you can't have shortcuts for everything. Assigning one also depends on how often it is supposed to be used.
Personally, I always leave it checked even though I mostly use Inkscape for web-based work where displaying the border like a page is rather undesireable. Though I guess most people don't care about that option. There's no automatic usage feedback in Inkscape to clarify such things, right?
There's no automatice usage feedback in Inkscape....not that I've ever heard of. I'd have to seriously investigate such a feature, before using it willingly! Please don't turn Inkscape into another guugle app!
Of course data should only be send back with the consent of the user. Though I do not want to open Pandora's box here starting a discussion about usage data collection.
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From: "Sebastian Zartner" <sebastianzartner@...400...> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 5:04 AM To: "Diederik van Lierop" <mail@...1689...> Cc: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...3165...>; "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...>; "Inkscape" inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog
I have to admit that I've totally missed that toolbar until now. So, those options should indeed be moved there. I agree that this makes the toolbar pretty crowded, though that may be handled by introducing toolbar button menus or by turning this toolbar into a dialog.
I would very much disagree about turning the snap toolbar into a dialog!!
Reason? Taking too much UI space? Anyway, I already revised my statement in a later message saying that the options should be moved to the global Preferences dialog.
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From: "Sebastian Zartner" <sebastianzartner@...400...> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 5:23 AM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...> Cc: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...3165...>; "Inkscape-Devel" inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog
While writing this, I forgot about my own suggestion. What about moving guides and grids into a separate dialog? Doing so, those would still be document specific though could be adjusted separately from the general document properties.
I don't see turning 1 dialog into 2 or 3 dialogs as an improvement. To be honest, I replied right away to this message because I don't see anything wrong with the Document Properties dialog.
If someone asked me, I might point to the page border shadow as a problem, because I just don't see what use it is. But more than that, I don't see any problems.
Personally, I use snapping, together with either grids or guides in literally every new document. So now I will have to open 2 or 3 dialogs at the beginning of each new document? It doesn't make sense to me.
So far nobody gave a reason why people adjust the snap settings of that dialog. I'm very interested in getting a proper use case for them.
Granted, I'm just a simple user, and not a developer. But it seems to me like everything that someone needs to set up a document, should be all in one dialog.
UI decisions are always hard to do, as people have very different opinions. Personally I also find the dialog ok to use as I know where to look for the different features, though I believe some parts of it can be optimized. So, as mentioned earlier, I consider some properties to be global, some unused or rather confusing people and some just not being or expected to be part of the document properties.
Sebastian
From: "Sebastian Zartner" <sebastianzartner@...400...> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 4:49 AM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...> Cc: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...3165...>; "Inkscape-Devel" inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog
On 30 May 2016 at 04:32, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
On the Page tab, what happened to the Display section, where you can show or hide the page border, or disable antialiasing?
The display options would be moved to the general 'Preferences' dialog, i.e. be made global. I assume there is not much need to set them per document. Regarding the page border field, see below.
What is the benefit of moving Grids and Snap tabs to a separate dialog? Same for Scripting tab?
Grids and snap options are not document properties in my eyes but helper functionality. Also, snapping is rather a global functionality than specific to a document.
Respectfully, I disagree.
Grids tab: Sometimes I might have 2 or 3 grids in 1 file (although only 1 at a time is visible). But other times, no grids at all. So this is very much a "per document" feature for me.
Convinced, adding the tab back.
Snap tab: I don't usually change those snap settings. So such a change probably would not affect me. But I can imagine some people probably change them per document.
I'd like to know the use case for this. As written in the response to Diederik, I believe that this feature is only used in cases where the snapping is not smart enough.
Display section on Page tab (page border, color, shadow, antialiasing): I hide and display the page border, sometimes several times per document. I do it so often sometimes, I've wished for a key shortcut! While in some documents, I never use it. It doesn't seem appropriate to take it out of Doc. Props. (to me).
(I want it out of the way while I'm drawing. But then from time to time, I want to see it, to judge the overall visual balance and scale of the drawing as a whole.)
Obviously your main point is to have the option for toggling the border display handy and it doesn't matter much whether it's a document preference or an Inkscape setting, right? So, what about moving those options into the 'View' menu (where they could also get shortcuts assigned)?
Although I suppose one could use Guides instead. From that point of view, the border could be eliminated. But I think it's just too convenient of a feature, to get rid of.
For me, the border shadow could be eliminated. I never use it. But I have no idea about how other people use it.
Personally, I always leave it checked even though I mostly use Inkscape for web-based work where displaying the border like a page is rather undesireable. Though I guess most people don't care about that option. There's no automatic usage feedback in Inkscape to clarify such things, right?
I also think antialiasing is a "per document" feature. From time to time, in forums, we suggest changing that for a particular image or file.
What are the use cases for this? Would it be enough to be able to toggle it globally via the 'View' menu as mentioned above or is it really something that should be part of the document?
Guides tab: I didn't originally comment on Guides, but I see them as very much a "per document" feature.
The guides themselves are of course per-document. I am just wondering whether the three related settings 'Show guides', 'Guide color' and 'Highlight color' need to be document properties.
Sebastian