Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog

>> Display section on Page tab (page border, color, shadow, antialiasing): >> I hide and display the page border, sometimes several times per document. >> I >> do it so often sometimes, I've wished for a key shortcut! While in some >> documents, I never use it. It doesn't seem appropriate to take it out of >> Doc. Props. (to me). >> >> (I want it out of the way while I'm drawing. But then from time to time, >> I >> want to see it, to judge the overall visual balance and scale of the >> drawing >> as a whole.) > > > Obviously your main point is to have the option for toggling the > border display handy and it doesn't matter much whether it's a > document preference or an Inkscape setting, right? > So, what about moving those options into the 'View' menu (where they > could also get shortcuts assigned)? Sure, that would be fine with me, except for 2 things: 1 - don't take it out of Doc Props without putting the new menu item in

2 - I've been told (in long ago old messages, and might have been in a forum) that key shortcuts come at a premium....meaning that there aren't many available anymore. I think that old message was in regard to snapping. Originally, when snapping first was available, you could hold a key (I think was Shift, but my memory might not be accurate) to globally disable snapping. I found was indispensible! But the next version of Inkscape, that shortcut was removed, because it had another function. (If you were dragging a node, it would drag out a handle instead of disabling snapping.) So that's how I have the impression that key shortcuts can't be handed out like candy.

> Personally, I always leave it checked even though I mostly use > Inkscape for web-based work where displaying the border like a page is > rather undesireable. Though I guess most people don't care about that > option. > There's no automatic usage feedback in Inkscape to clarify such things, > right? > There's no automatice usage feedback in Inkscape....not that I've ever heard of. I'd have to seriously investigate such a feature, before using it willingly! Please don't turn Inkscape into another guugle app!

-------------------------------------------------- From this msg: From: "Sebastian Zartner" <sebastianzartner@...400...> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 5:04 AM To: "Diederik van Lierop" <mail@...1689...> Cc: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...3165...>; "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...>; "Inkscape" <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net&gt; Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog > > I have to admit that I've totally missed that toolbar until now. So, > those options should indeed be moved there. I agree that this makes > the toolbar pretty crowded, though that may be handled by introducing > toolbar button menus or by turning this toolbar into a dialog. I would very much disagree about turning the snap toolbar into a dialog!!

From this msg: From: "Sebastian Zartner" <sebastianzartner@...400...> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 5:23 AM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...> Cc: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...3165...>; "Inkscape-Devel" <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net&gt; Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog > While writing this, I forgot about my own suggestion. What about > moving guides and grids into a separate dialog? Doing so, those would > still be document specific though could be adjusted separately from > the general document properties. I don't see turning 1 dialog into 2 or 3 dialogs as an improvement. To be honest, I replied right away to this message because I don't see anything wrong with the Document Properties dialog. If someone asked me, I might point to the page border shadow as a problem, because I just don't see what use it is. But more than that, I don't see any problems. Personally, I use snapping, together with either grids or guides in literally every new document. So now I will have to open 2 or 3 dialogs at the beginning of each new document? It doesn't make sense to me.

Granted, I'm just a simple user, and not a developer. But it seems to me like everything that someone needs to set up a document, should be all in one dialog.

-------------------------------------------------- From: "Sebastian Zartner" <sebastianzartner@...400...> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 4:49 AM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...> Cc: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...3165...>; "Inkscape-Devel" <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net&gt; Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog > On 30 May 2016 at 04:32, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote: >>>> >>>> On the Page tab, what happened to the Display section, where you can >>>> show >>>> or >>>> hide the page border, or disable antialiasing? >>> >>> >>> >>> The display options would be moved to the general 'Preferences' >>> dialog, i.e. be made global. I assume there is not much need to set >>> them per document. Regarding the page border field, see below. >>> >>>> What is the benefit of moving Grids and Snap tabs to a separate dialog? >>>> Same >>>> for Scripting tab? >>> >>> >>> >>> Grids and snap options are not document properties in my eyes but >>> helper functionality. Also, snapping is rather a global functionality >>> than specific to a document. >> >> >> >> Respectfully, I disagree. >> >> Grids tab: >> Sometimes I might have 2 or 3 grids in 1 file (although only 1 at a time >> is >> visible). But other times, no grids at all. So this is very much a "per >> document" feature for me. > > > Convinced, adding the tab back. > >> Snap tab: >> I don't usually change those snap settings. So such a change probably >> would >> not affect me. But I can imagine some people probably change them per >> document. > > > I'd like to know the use case for this. As written in the response to > Diederik, I believe that this feature is only used in cases where the > snapping is not smart enough. > >> Display section on Page tab (page border, color, shadow, antialiasing): >> I hide and display the page border, sometimes several times per document. >> I >> do it so often sometimes, I've wished for a key shortcut! While in some >> documents, I never use it. It doesn't seem appropriate to take it out of >> Doc. Props. (to me). >> >> (I want it out of the way while I'm drawing. But then from time to time, >> I >> want to see it, to judge the overall visual balance and scale of the >> drawing >> as a whole.) > > > Obviously your main point is to have the option for toggling the > border display handy and it doesn't matter much whether it's a > document preference or an Inkscape setting, right? > So, what about moving those options into the 'View' menu (where they > could also get shortcuts assigned)? > >> Although I suppose one could use Guides instead. From that point of >> view, >> the border could be eliminated. But I think it's just too convenient of >> a >> feature, to get rid of. >> >> For me, the border shadow could be eliminated. I never use it. But I >> have >> no idea about how other people use it. > > > Personally, I always leave it checked even though I mostly use > Inkscape for web-based work where displaying the border like a page is > rather undesireable. Though I guess most people don't care about that > option. > There's no automatic usage feedback in Inkscape to clarify such things, > right? > >> I also think antialiasing is a "per document" feature. From time to >> time, >> in forums, we suggest changing that for a particular image or file. > > > What are the use cases for this? Would it be enough to be able to > toggle it globally via the 'View' menu as mentioned above or is it > really something that should be part of the document? > >> Guides tab: >> I didn't originally comment on Guides, but I see them as very much a "per >> document" feature. > > > The guides themselves are of course per-document. I am just wondering > whether the three related settings 'Show guides', 'Guide color' and > 'Highlight color' need to be document properties. > > Sebastian