Re: [Inkscape-devel] Website Design
Yesterday Mc- brought up a design for the inkscape website which got a few approval nods from various attending people:
https://yadi.sk/i/CfqypzmvpPbay
I contacted the designer at the time and just heard back. So what we have here is a psd of a single page that flows downwards. I expect it to assume a standard set of css frameworks such as bootstrap or similar.
I also know that Hinerangi has some designs waiting in the wings for the website and that we've stalled on moving more improvements in.
I'm interested in hearing wider feedback from the community since I've been under the impression that the website's design has been fairly serviceable. A replacement would be a fair amount of work and at the moment I'm only committed to making sure the technical integration of any proposed design goes ahead without any barriers.
What do you think we should do?
Best Regards, Martin Owens
I'm interested in hearing wider feedback from the community since I've been under the impression that the website's design has been fairly
serviceable.
I agree I thought the website was working ok what are the concerns people are having with the website responsive design? more modern feel?
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
Yesterday Mc- brought up a design for the inkscape website which got a few approval nods from various attending people:
https://yadi.sk/i/CfqypzmvpPbay
I contacted the designer at the time and just heard back. So what we have here is a psd of a single page that flows downwards. I expect it to assume a standard set of css frameworks such as bootstrap or similar.
I also know that Hinerangi has some designs waiting in the wings for the website and that we've stalled on moving more improvements in.
I'm interested in hearing wider feedback from the community since I've been under the impression that the website's design has been fairly serviceable. A replacement would be a fair amount of work and at the moment I'm only committed to making sure the technical integration of any proposed design goes ahead without any barriers.
What do you think we should do?
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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On Wed, 2016-02-24 at 11:14 -0500, Golden Ribbon wrote:
I agree I thought the website was working ok what are the concerns people are having
with the website responsive design? more modern feel?
Hi Golden,
I think the main element is this:
* Responsive design
There's some look and feel enhancements there, maybe we (by which I mean Josh ;-)) can integrate some of the nicer visuals. But the responsive design is more of a core architecture thing which will probably need my help in the templates.
My personal concerns are cleanup on all non-cms pages and the downloads page which we talked about too. Some of that is functional stuff.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
In any case, don't choose such a useless scrolling design! It's one of the worst design inventions of the last years, accomplishing nothing except presenting less information on an incredibly large screen area that is impossible to navigate.
Apart from that the design is certainly nice and would definitely turn up the presentation another notch. However I don't think it's really necessary to update since I don't have the impression the current design lacks anything and in any case I'd give functionality a larger priority than design.
Regards, Eduard
Am 24.02.2016 um 16:51 schrieb Martin Owens:
Yesterday Mc- brought up a design for the inkscape website which got a few approval nods from various attending people:
https://yadi.sk/i/CfqypzmvpPbay
I contacted the designer at the time and just heard back. So what we have here is a psd of a single page that flows downwards. I expect it to assume a standard set of css frameworks such as bootstrap or similar.
I also know that Hinerangi has some designs waiting in the wings for the website and that we've stalled on moving more improvements in.
I'm interested in hearing wider feedback from the community since I've been under the impression that the website's design has been fairly serviceable. A replacement would be a fair amount of work and at the moment I'm only committed to making sure the technical integration of any proposed design goes ahead without any barriers.
What do you think we should do?
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 8:16 AM, Eduard Braun <Eduard.Braun2@...173...> wrote:
Apart from that the design is certainly nice and would definitely turn up the presentation another notch.
Given that we're dealing with graphics software here, presentation should be turned up.
However I don't think it's really necessary to update since I don't have the impression the current design lacks anything and in any case I'd give functionality a larger priority than design.
This is one of those things that I had talked to Martin about yesterday and that in a couple weeks I would carve out some time to work on it. If I were the one to work on this it isn't an either/or with functionality vs design... because I don't work on the functionality side of things.
Cheers, Josh
Whatever happened with the guy who expressed an interest in managing / admin-ing the website? I can't remember his name but he said he thought he had the right kind of skills, but was lacking in experience (iirc). And I remember he said something like he was going to start studying right away, and get up to speed. But I haven't heard anything else about it. Can't even find the bug report where it was discussed.
I've been hoping for a responsive design, and maybe changing some of the text/font and formatting styles. For example, maybe it's a fad or trend these days or something, but almost all the text is left justified, which imo makes it hard to read, and visually offputting. I think there needs to be some indenting written into the styles (css), to make pages more inviting and easier to read. And maybe even some graphics, on each page, as part of the overall style (at least in header or footer).
It doesn't seem like there's an urgent need for these changes. But otoh, if not now, when? Can we see Hinerangi's designs?
I agree with Eduard about that particular style. There's just a ton of empty space, which to me gives the impression "there's nothing here" and "whatever is here is hidden".
I'm not a big fan of white text on a black background in the first place - but definitely not for the main introduction of the website. And that pale white is awfully hard to read. Really I can only read the bold or white-white words. That particular bit of text should be the most readable text in the whole site. I'm not sure if it's that font that's hard to read, or if it's just the rasterness making it slightly blurry.
But, I do like that yellow car image on the black background. That looks nice!
Will those 4 sections, which I think might be called a "shield" on the live site (Overview, Features, etc.) behave the same as they do now -- where they individually take up the whole width of the page? Or will they literally be that small? I think they need to be larger. And what the heck -- we have all kinds of empty space. Let's fill it with Inkscape images! Why not use the same shield. It really is nice, imo!
Last comment. The icon for the Users section appears to be male. Any chance for either a non-gender-specific icon, or maybe have a male and female in the icon? Or even a group of people including teens and children?
All best, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 8:51 AM To: "inkscape-devel" inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: "Hinerangi Courtenay" <hine.courtenay@...36...>; "inkscape-user" inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Website Design
Yesterday Mc- brought up a design for the inkscape website which got a few approval nods from various attending people:
https://yadi.sk/i/CfqypzmvpPbay
I contacted the designer at the time and just heard back. So what we have here is a psd of a single page that flows downwards. I expect it to assume a standard set of css frameworks such as bootstrap or similar.
I also know that Hinerangi has some designs waiting in the wings for the website and that we've stalled on moving more improvements in.
I'm interested in hearing wider feedback from the community since I've been under the impression that the website's design has been fairly serviceable. A replacement would be a fair amount of work and at the moment I'm only committed to making sure the technical integration of any proposed design goes ahead without any barriers.
What do you think we should do?
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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On Wed, 2016-02-24 at 12:06 -0700, Brynn wrote:
Whatever happened with the guy who expressed an interest in managing / admin-ing the website?
There are lots of people who come and go as they find time to help and then get busy again. I'm not too worried, but if you remember his name, give him an email about the thread.
It doesn't seem like there's an urgent need for these changes. But otoh, if not now, when? Can we see Hinerangi's designs?
See ealier email from today where she sent her designs to the lists.
Will those 4 sections, which I think might be called a "shield" on the live site (Overview, Features, etc.) behave the same as they do now -- where they individually take up the whole width of the page?
Nothing is decided, these are different proposals.
The icon for the Users section appears to be male.
Yeah, we would have to re-draw all those symbols if we wanted to use them anyway. Since they're currently embeded in a psd (one that doesn't open in gimp very well).
Martin,
For the website design, I agree with the general notion that those scroll-but-where-is-the-real-contents pages aren't so great for us.
I like the current color scheme and Hinerangi's suggestion - more icons would be nice, though, as long as it's easy to know what they mean.
For pure design purposes, I'm not a fan of using Javascript, either, like Jabier.
If someone introduces a new framework, it would be important for me that they either document exactly what needs to be done (concerning compiling CSS or whatnot) when making changes, or that there's someone who will respond when we make functionality updates to the web site.
Am 24.02.2016 um 20:06 schrieb Brynn:
Whatever happened with the guy who expressed an interest in managing / admin-ing the website? I can't remember his name but he said he thought he had the right kind of skills, but was lacking in experience (iirc). And I remember he said something like he was going to start studying right away, and get up to speed. But I haven't heard anything else about it. Can't even find the bug report where it was discussed.
@Brynn: I think you are referring to Eternal Tyro. He has already helped us a lot with website administration (and still is, but he's also often very busy), and we have removed the 'job ad' from the Community To-Do list some time ago.
Regards, Maren
Thanks Maren, Eternal Tyro, yes, that sounds familiar. So my point was - shouldn't he be in on this discussion?
I agree with Jelle Mulder. Why not just make the current website design responsive? I didn't realize that was an option. I thought Martin was presenting -- entirely new responsive design vs old fixed width design. But making the current design responsive sounds like the best idea to me.....assuming it can actually be done.
I think I've fallen in love with a lot of our website, especially InkSpaces and the gallery, and especially with the recent upgrades!
more icons
would be nice, though, as long as it's easy to know what they mean.
Yes, whether icons, or just some thematic graphics that carry through each 1st level page (or maybe even every page) and unify the site. Like some cute little cartoon characters that are doing different things (reflective of the topic for each page) in the footer. (Like on the Learn page, maybe they are sitting in school desks and studying. Or for Develop page they are tinkering with little hammers and drills. Or is that too overdone or mundane? Or maybe just series of nature images -- flowers or trees or leaves or bugs or wildlife, etc, etc. or planets or galaxies (real or imagined)?
All best, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...3165...> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 2:09 PM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Website Design
For the website design, I agree with the general notion that those scroll-but-where-is-the-real-contents pages aren't so great for us.
I like the current color scheme and Hinerangi's suggestion - more icons would be nice, though, as long as it's easy to know what they mean.
For pure design purposes, I'm not a fan of using Javascript, either, like Jabier.
If someone introduces a new framework, it would be important for me that they either document exactly what needs to be done (concerning compiling CSS or whatnot) when making changes, or that there's someone who will respond when we make functionality updates to the web site.
Am 24.02.2016 um 20:06 schrieb Brynn:
Whatever happened with the guy who expressed an interest in managing / admin-ing the website? I can't remember his name but he said he thought he had the right kind of skills, but was lacking in experience (iirc). And I remember he said something like he was going to start studying right away, and get up to speed. But I haven't heard anything else about it. Can't even find the bug report where it was discussed.
@Brynn: I think you are referring to Eternal Tyro. He has already helped us a lot with website administration (and still is, but he's also often very busy), and we have removed the 'job ad' from the Community To-Do list some time ago.
Regards, Maren
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Am 26.02.2016 um 14:03 schrieb Brynn:
Thanks Maren, Eternal Tyro, yes, that sounds familiar. So my point was - shouldn't he be in on this discussion?
- ET is currently helping us with server administration, which has to do with the programs running on our web server, not with web design (doesn't mean that he isn't welcome to contribute, only that it's not what he 'signed up for' ;).)
Yes, whether icons, or just some thematic graphics that carry through each 1st level page (or maybe even every page) and unify the site. Like some cute little cartoon characters that are doing different things (reflective of the topic for each page) in the footer. (Like on the Learn page, maybe they are sitting in school desks and studying. Or for Develop page they are tinkering with little hammers and drills. Or is that too overdone or mundane? Or maybe just series of nature images -- flowers or trees or leaves or bugs or wildlife, etc, etc. or planets or galaxies (real or imagined)?
- Cute :) You filled my mind with crafting ink drops now...
Maren
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Martin Owens