Hello,
I just want suggest some cool features, maybe some exist but i don't know where.
- Add jpeg export, for the moment i open gimp for export png to jpeg.
- Add size template for biggest screen size one by ratio 4x3 5x4 16x9 etc.
- in addition a feature for export for several size from size template for the same ratio with check box for select which we want.
What do you think about these features ? It's the goog place for talkl about that and for doing this king of proposal.
Thx and sry gor my en.
J.
Just a small ‘translation’. Le 16/06/2016 à 17:47, Bardot Jérôme a écrit :
Hello,
I just want to suggest some cool features, maybe some exist but I don't know where.
Add jpeg export; for the moment I open gimp to export from png to jpeg.
Add size templates for biggest screen size, one by ratio: 4:3, 5:4, 16:9, etc.
Do you mean ‘predefined sizes’? Well, you're right, I don't see anyone having a standard screen resolution.
- in addition a feature to export to several sizes from the size template
with the same ratio, with check box to select which one we want.
You probably mean ‘radio buttons’. A combobox would better fit me…
What do you think about these features ?
About JPEG and other raster exports, I also wonder why they're not allowed; I suppose it's not the purpose of the project… Actually, I think JPEG is a quite weird choice for vector graphics.
Concerning the predefined sizes… Looking at the current long list, my first idea would be to organize it with size categories so the one we want would be really easy to find; currently, I don't see why it would be helpful to have your screen resolution in a list when you can just type the values. Having those categories, a category for screen resolutions could be nice.
Concerning the ‘ratio export’, I don't think it's so hard either to type just one of the dimensions you want…
Is it the right place to talk about that and to do this kind of proposal?
The usual place is the bug tracker on Launchpad but it also works here.
Thx and sry for my en.
J.
-- Sylvain
On Thu, 2016-06-16 at 18:32 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
About JPEG and other raster exports, I also wonder why they're not allowed; I suppose it's not the purpose of the project… Actually, I think JPEG is a quite weird choice for vector graphics.
The question about JPEG is that jpeg is a terrible format for vector images. It's something that you should NOT do unless you are doing something very special.
It's a request I've heard before. Making it easy for users to make mistakes is a hard thing to support, even if it's popular. I want to give users what they want, but in this case, jpeg is just too wrong.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 01:39:13PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
On Thu, 2016-06-16 at 18:32 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
About JPEG and other raster exports, I also wonder why they're not allowed; I suppose it's not the purpose of the project… Actually, I think JPEG is a quite weird choice for vector graphics.
The question about JPEG is that jpeg is a terrible format for vector images. It's something that you should NOT do unless you are doing something very special.
It's a request I've heard before. Making it easy for users to make mistakes is a hard thing to support, even if it's popular. I want to give users what they want, but in this case, jpeg is just too wrong.
Right, with the age of the project you can pretty well assume something as common as JPEG support has been discussed before, and its omission is an intentional decision.
For the other ideas, agreed - discussing them on the list is totally fine but if you don't want them to get forgotten make sure they're recorded in launchpad.
Bryce
Hi everybody,
My name is José Quintanilla, i am graphic designer is an honor for me are in this list, where I can express my doubts and suggestions about this great software and project.
I come from the dark side (win...s) and his bad brother Adobe, i am searching for freedom, boring about licenses, cracks, patches, etc... and i want to give my sand grain for this project. For example:
I dont understand why if you have an only one file open and you close it, the program close it too. will be better if you can close the file without close it the entire program.
Is highly desirable too, has multiple sheets, if you work a flyer which has content in both sides, this is extremely necesary mainly for the texts that could end in a side of the paper and continue in the other.
This steep, change from side is hard for everyone but for the designers, tied to windows, mac and adobe is extremly hard. But i know is correct. I am studying, inkscape, and Gimp, and doing some real works here to show to others folks that change is possible and invite others to give this steep.
Thanks for your efforts to enhance this software for the world.
See you soon.
José
2016-06-16 18:25 GMT-06:00 Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...>:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 01:39:13PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
On Thu, 2016-06-16 at 18:32 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
About JPEG and other raster exports, I also wonder why they're not allowed; I suppose it's not the purpose of the project… Actually, I think JPEG is a quite weird choice for vector graphics.
The question about JPEG is that jpeg is a terrible format for vector images. It's something that you should NOT do unless you are doing something very special.
It's a request I've heard before. Making it easy for users to make mistakes is a hard thing to support, even if it's popular. I want to give users what they want, but in this case, jpeg is just too wrong.
Right, with the age of the project you can pretty well assume something as common as JPEG support has been discussed before, and its omission is an intentional decision.
For the other ideas, agreed - discussing them on the list is totally fine but if you don't want them to get forgotten make sure they're recorded in launchpad.
Bryce
What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohomanageengine _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
Welcome to the community, Jose!
I'm unable to answer most of your questions. (I'm not a developer.) But just want to mention there is an extention that provides multiple page support, using PDF. It's not native, but some people find it helpful.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/inkscape-pages/
Native support would be most ideal though.
All best, brynn
____________________________________________ From: imagen imperio Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:38 PM To: Bryce Harrington Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] features
Hi everybody,
My name is José Quintanilla, i am graphic designer is an honor for me are in this list, where I can express my doubts and suggestions about this great software and project.
I come from the dark side (win...s) and his bad brother Adobe, i am searching for freedom, boring about licenses, cracks, patches, etc... and i want to give my sand grain for this project. For example:
I dont understand why if you have an only one file open and you close it, the program close it too. will be better if you can close the file without close it the entire program.
Is highly desirable too, has multiple sheets, if you work a flyer which has content in both sides, this is extremely necesary mainly for the texts that could end in a side of the paper and continue in the other.
This steep, change from side is hard for everyone but for the designers, tied to windows, mac and adobe is extremly hard. But i know is correct. I am studying, inkscape, and Gimp, and doing some real works here to show to others folks that change is possible and invite others to give this steep.
Thanks for your efforts to enhance this software for the world.
See you soon.
José
2016-06-16 18:25 GMT-06:00 Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...>:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 01:39:13PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
On Thu, 2016-06-16 at 18:32 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
About JPEG and other raster exports, I also wonder why they're not allowed; I suppose it's not the purpose of the project… Actually, I think JPEG is a quite weird choice for vector graphics.
The question about JPEG is that jpeg is a terrible format for vector images. It's something that you should NOT do unless you are doing something very special.
It's a request I've heard before. Making it easy for users to make mistakes is a hard thing to support, even if it's popular. I want to give users what they want, but in this case, jpeg is just too wrong.
Right, with the age of the project you can pretty well assume something as common as JPEG support has been discussed before, and its omission is an intentional decision.
For the other ideas, agreed - discussing them on the list is totally fine but if you don't want them to get forgotten make sure they're recorded in launchpad.
Bryce
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohomanageengine _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
On 16/06/2016 18:32, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
Just a small ‘translation’. Le 16/06/2016 à 17:47, Bardot Jérôme a écrit :
Hello,
I just want to suggest some cool features, maybe some exist but I don't know where.
Add jpeg export; for the moment I open gimp to export from png to jpeg.
Add size templates for biggest screen size, one by ratio: 4:3, 5:4, 16:9, etc.
Do you mean ‘predefined sizes’? Well, you're right, I don't see anyone having a standard screen resolution.
Maybe i want add these sizes in the document settings
You look like french so : Fichiers -> Propriété du document -> taille de la page Files ->properties -> size of the page in en i guess
- in addition a feature to export to several sizes from the size template
with the same ratio, with check box to select which one we want.
You probably mean ‘radio buttons’. A combobox would better fit me…
Yes that what i mean, radio buttons but several choice allowed. It's for people doing wallpaper, a typical use case can be :
start inkscape choose page size, (i only choose the biggest size of screen for one ratio)
create a wallpaper
then use the export function to choose size of screen with the same ratio i want to create
validate and inkscape produce wallpapers
What do you think about these features ?
About JPEG and other raster exports, I also wonder why they're not allowed; I suppose it's not the purpose of the project… Actually, I think JPEG is a quite weird choice for vector graphics.
I use jpeg because it's more easy (for the moment) when i use Latex.
Concerning the predefined sizes… Looking at the current long list, my first idea would be to organize it with size categories so the one we want would be really easy to find; currently, I don't see why it would be helpful to have your screen resolution in a list when you can just type the values. Having those categories, a category for screen resolutions could be nice.
Agree
Concerning the ‘ratio export’, I don't think it's so hard either to type just one of the dimensions you want…
With my previous example i hope i'm a little bit clear ^^
Is it the right place to talk about that and to do this kind of proposal?
The usual place is the bug tracker on Launchpad but it also works here.
Thx and sry for my en.
J.
-- Sylvain
What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohomanageengine _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
Le 16/06/2016 à 20:26, Bardot Jérôme a écrit :
On 16/06/2016 18:32, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
Just a small ‘translation’. Le 16/06/2016 à 17:47, Bardot Jérôme a écrit :
Hello,
I just want to suggest some cool features, maybe some exist but I don't know where.
Add jpeg export; for the moment I open gimp to export from png to jpeg.
Add size templates for biggest screen size, one by ratio: 4:3, 5:4, 16:9, etc.
Do you mean ‘predefined sizes’? Well, you're right, I don't see anyone having a standard screen resolution.
Maybe i want add these sizes in the document settings
Il s'agirait plus de « tailles prédéfinies », bien que le terme « patrons de tailles » me semble louable. Mais il existe en fait aussi des modèles de document donc mon choix me paraît plus sûr.
You look like french so :
Oui, quand j'ai vu votre nom, je me suis dit « tiens, y a pas que Nicolas et moi qui sommes francophones dans le projet ? » puis en écrivant j'ai oublié…!
Fichiers -> Propriété du document -> taille de la page Files ->properties -> size of the page in en i guess
File > Document Properties > File size (En français non plus, le pluriel n'est pas au bon endroit. Notez que vous pouvez changer la langue du logiciel dans les préférences.) Mais vous pouvez parler directement des Propriétés du document puisqu'elles sont bien connues et sont accessibles par le dernier bouton de la barre d'outils.
You probably mean ‘radio buttons’. A combobox would better fit me…
Yes that what i mean, radio buttons but several choice allowed.
Dans les interfaces graphiques, lesdites « cases à cocher » permettent d'effectuer un choix booléen : coché ou pas coché. Les boutons radio sont les cases rondes, qui permettent de faire un choix parmi plusieurs.
It's for people doing wallpaper, a typical use case can be :
start inkscape choose page size, (i only choose the biggest size of screen for one ratio)
create a wallpaper
then use the export function to choose size of screen with the same ratio i want to create
Effectivement, c'est un point de vue… Mais un fond d'écran en SVG, c'est cool aussi. C'est supporté sur certains environnements de bureau.
validate and inkscape produce wallpapers
What do you think about these features ?
About JPEG and other raster exports, I also wonder why they're not allowed; I suppose it's not the purpose of the project… Actually, I think JPEG is a quite weird choice for vector graphics.
I use jpeg because it's more easy (for the moment) when i use Latex.
Vraiment ?? Comment est-ce possible ? Si imagemagick est installé, la conversion de PNG vers JPEG peut se faire avec une simple commande : $ convert image.png image.jpg (Mais je suis brutal, là.)
Concerning the ‘ratio export’, I don't think it's so hard either to type just one of the dimensions you want…
With my previous example i hope i'm a little bit clear ^^
Oui… Cela dit, cela me semble toujours assez simple de saisir la taille à la main (d'autant que la deuxième dimension sera calculée automatiquement).
Is it the right place to talk about that and to do this kind of proposal?
The usual place is the bug tracker on Launchpad but it also works here.
Je vous encourage à ouvrir un « rapport de bogue » sur le traqueur (qui gère également les demandes de fonctionnalité) afin que votre demande obtienne suite : https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape Il vous faudra un compte sur Launchpad. Expliquez directement vos besoins plutôt que seulement la fonctionnalité attendue, ce sera plus pertinent.
Merci pour votre intérêt pour le projet et votre suggestion, Cordialement, -- Sylvain
Hi. :) ...
- Add jpeg export; for the moment I open gimp to export from png to jpeg.
Feature does not exist, but the reasoning, as far as I've heard are these:
1. JPEG is a bad format to output vector to raster because it uses lossy compression, and introduces artifacts along the otherwise pristine pixel edge of vector shapes. This gets worse the more compression you use. 2. JPEG is also a very old format that is only currently used because of popularity. 3. JPEG should not continue to be popular, and we want to try and push users to use better formats.
Now, as a career graphic designer who uses Inkscape all the time, I still use GIMP and scripts to convert exported pngs to jpegs.
Now why would I make such a horrible mistake, knowing full well of the limitations of JPEG?
1. Clients ask for it, and their software sometimes demands it. - If you don't give your clients what they ask for, they don't tend to pay you, or they do pay you, but then go somewhere else because you're a hassle to work with. 2. png compression is wonderful for vector rasterization, and absolutely terrible for detailed graphics. - Inkscape handles a mix of vector and raster, which is a large portion of what makes it an excellent drawing and graphics tool, thus there is no reason to artificially assume quality is preferred over file size. Often for web graphics, it is essential to get the file size down to be as small as possible. png can do it, but only for simple graphics. Since details must be preserved for the format to be lossless, any detail can not be compressed. 3. I dislike when software makes me go to other software to get what I need, when it could easily provide it. I don't require babysitting in this fashion. Most professional artists will feel the same way. 4. I understand the decision, but I disagree with it. We are not popular enough to push the issue, and it's a usability crutch for everyone who needs jpegs. I think a warning in the jpeg export dialog would be sufficient to warn people away. As it stands, it does not keep people from using jpegs, it just forces them use other software to do it, which wastes time, and is a major kink in Inkscape related graphics workflows.
That said, I usually save exported pngs anyway, but I don't do this because Inkscape has enlightened me. Indeed, no reason at all is given in the software for only allowing png export. I think enabling jpeg export gives us a great place to enlighten people about why they should prefer png to jpeg, then let them decide.
In the export to jpeg dialog, it could include this disclaimer in RED: You have chosen jpeg as an output format. JPEG is a lossy format that loses picture quality, and introduces nasty compression artefacts and kicks puppies for fun in it's spare time. We recommend export to png for lossless compression, and a better world, with happy puppies.
My 2p. ;) -C
- Add size templates for biggest screen size, one by ratio: 4:3, 5:4,
16:9, etc.
Do you mean ‘predefined sizes’? Well, you're right, I don't see anyone having a standard screen resolution.
- in addition a feature to export to several sizes from the size template
with the same ratio, with check box to select which one we want.
You probably mean ‘radio buttons’. A combobox would better fit me…
What do you think about these features ?
About JPEG and other raster exports, I also wonder why they're not allowed; I suppose it's not the purpose of the project… Actually, I think JPEG is a quite weird choice for vector graphics.
Concerning the predefined sizes… Looking at the current long list, my first idea would be to organize it with size categories so the one we want would be really easy to find; currently, I don't see why it would be helpful to have your screen resolution in a list when you can just type the values. Having those categories, a category for screen resolutions could be nice.
Concerning the ‘ratio export’, I don't think it's so hard either to type just one of the dimensions you want…
Is it the right place to talk about that and to do this kind of proposal?
The usual place is the bug tracker on Launchpad but it also works here.
Thx and sry for my en.
J.
-- Sylvain
What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohomanageengine _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
There is an extension for exporting JPGs. I've never used it though, so I don't know how well it works (or doesn't). But I do seem to recall reading somewhere that it works on version 0.91.
https://github.com/giacmir/Inkscape-JPEG-export-extension
I'm unable to answer your other questions. (I'm not a developer.)
All best, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Bardot Jérôme" <bardot.jerome@...400...> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 9:47 AM To: "Inkscape Devel List" inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] features
Hello,
I just want suggest some cool features, maybe some exist but i don't know where.
Add jpeg export, for the moment i open gimp for export png to jpeg.
Add size template for biggest screen size one by ratio 4x3 5x4 16x9 etc.
in addition a feature for export for several size from size template
for the same ratio with check box for select which we want.
What do you think about these features ? It's the goog place for talkl about that and for doing this king of proposal.
Thx and sry gor my en.
J.
What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=1444514421&iu=/41014381 _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
Le 17/06/2016 à 06:17, Brynn a écrit :
There is an extension for exporting JPGs. I've never used it though, so I don't know how well it works (or doesn't). But I do seem to recall reading somewhere that it works on version 0.91.
So maybe we should add it on the FAQ: https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#what-formats-can-inkscape-importexport Explaining why it's not natively supported. Brynn, can you, please?
Reviewing the FAQ in French, I also had this wondering.
Q: How to make a transparent background or change the background color A: […] Note, however, that an opaque background should only be considered as a tool to aid in drawing. If you intend to ultimately export the SVG to PNG, or use the SVG on the internet, the opaque background might not come through. So if you intend to use the image in such situations, you'll need to draw a large rectangle, to fit the image/page size to place behind your drawing (on the bottom, in z-order), and fill it with the background color you want.
Isn't the opaque background exported with PNGs?
I'm unable to answer your other questions. (I'm not a developer.)
These are feature requests; I don't think you must be a developer to have an opinion…
Sylvain
From: "Bardot Jérôme" <bardot.jerome@...400...> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 9:47 AM To: "Inkscape Devel List" inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] features
Hello,
I just want suggest some cool features, maybe some exist but i don't know where.
Add jpeg export, for the moment i open gimp for export png to jpeg.
Add size template for biggest screen size one by ratio 4x3 5x4 16x9 etc.
in addition a feature for export for several size from size template
for the same ratio with check box for select which we want.
What do you think about these features ? It's the goog place for talkl about that and for doing this king of proposal.
Thx and sry gor my en.
J.
On Fri, 2016-06-17 at 14:33 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
Isn't the opaque background exported with PNGs?
It is.
There's also a feature request to add the html style attribute 'background-color' to the svg tag, since that works in all browsers but isn't a part of the svg spec.
Martin,
Hi Sylvain,
Explaining why it's not natively supported. Brynn, can you, please?
Yes, I would be glad to make any changes. But it looks like someone else already did (https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#why-can-inkscape-only-export-to-the-png-r...).
Isn't the opaque background exported with PNGs?
In my experience, it doesn't always. Usually it does for PNG exports, but not always. But it's putting an SVG on the internet using the background changed to opaque, where I most often see it (well, don't see it, the background color).
I'm unable to answer your other questions. (I'm not a developer.)
These are feature requests; I don't think you must be a developer to have an opinion…
What I meant was that I don't have the technical knowledge to answer.
All best, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...3370...> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 6:33 AM To: "Inkscape developers" inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; "Inkscape Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Features + FAQ
Le 17/06/2016 à 06:17, Brynn a écrit :
There is an extension for exporting JPGs. I've never used it though, so I don't know how well it works (or doesn't). But I do seem to recall reading somewhere that it works on version 0.91.
So maybe we should add it on the FAQ: https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#what-formats-can-inkscape-importexport Explaining why it's not natively supported. Brynn, can you, please?
Reviewing the FAQ in French, I also had this wondering.
Q: How to make a transparent background or change the background color A: […] Note, however, that an opaque background should only be considered as a tool to aid in drawing. If you intend to ultimately export the SVG to PNG, or use the SVG on the internet, the opaque background might not come through. So if you intend to use the image in such situations, you'll need to draw a large rectangle, to fit the image/page size to place behind your drawing (on the bottom, in z-order), and fill it with the background color you want.
Isn't the opaque background exported with PNGs?
I'm unable to answer your other questions. (I'm not a developer.)
These are feature requests; I don't think you must be a developer to have an opinion…
Sylvain
From: "Bardot Jérôme" <bardot.jerome@...400...> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 9:47 AM To: "Inkscape Devel List" inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-devel] features
Hello,
I just want suggest some cool features, maybe some exist but i don't know where.
Add jpeg export, for the moment i open gimp for export png to jpeg.
Add size template for biggest screen size one by ratio 4x3 5x4 16x9
etc.
- in addition a feature for export for several size from size template
for the same ratio with check box for select which we want.
What do you think about these features ? It's the goog place for talkl about that and for doing this king of proposal.
Thx and sry gor my en.
J.
What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohomanageengine _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
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