Hi there!
C R made me aware that deselecting nodes in 0.92 can be done not only with Escape key, but also by double-clicking with left mouse button on empty area.
This is in contrast to 0.91 and earlier versions, when a single click made that happen (which was quite annoying to be honest, so I'm happy for this change to happen in 0.92).
However, the Select Tool still uses single clicks to deselect objects.
Is this inconsistency intentional...?
Doesn't it make sense to have double-clicks to deselect objects just as is the case for nodes?
Cheers,
/Olof
I find this new node deselection behaviour very useful : first click deselect selected nodes only while all objects nodes remain visible and second click masks all nodes. However personnally I don't see an inconsistency in unselecting object by one single click because in the nodes cases there is one more status. Otherwise if one would respect the logic of the doucle click in the objects selection case the first one outside should deselect the object and the second one should make it disappear ;-}
Le Jeudi 16 juin 2016 22h50, Olof Bjarnason <olof.bjarnason@...400...> a écrit :
Hi there! C R made me aware that deselecting nodes in 0.92 can be done not only with Escape key, but also by double-clicking with left mouse button on empty area. This is in contrast to 0.91 and earlier versions, when a single click made that happen (which was quite annoying to be honest, so I'm happy for this change to happen in 0.92). However, the Select Tool still uses single clicks to deselect objects. Is this inconsistency intentional...? Doesn't it make sense to have double-clicks to deselect objects just as is the case for nodes?
Cheers,
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Hey Olof! :)
However, the Select Tool still uses single clicks to deselect objects.
Is this inconsistency intentional...?
Doesn't it make sense to have double-clicks to deselect objects just as is the case for nodes?
I think it should be double click here too to deselect objects, since there is no way to regain your previous selection (and my selection get pretty big for grouping sometimes).
For consistency as well as functionality, this makes the most sense to me.
-C
Cheers,
/Olof
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Of course you are right for complex multiple objects selection. Double click would be safer. But some conflicts could occur with the double click used to leave a group you opened previously with another double click inside one of its components.
Le Vendredi 17 juin 2016 12h51, C R <cajhne@...400...> a écrit :
Hey Olof! :)
However, the Select Tool still uses single clicks to deselect objects.Is this inconsistency intentional...? Doesn't it make sense to have double-clicks to deselect objects just as is the case for nodes?
I think it should be double click here too to deselect objects, since there is no way to regain your previous selection (and my selection get pretty big for grouping sometimes). For consistency as well as functionality, this makes the most sense to me. -C
Cheers,
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On 17 June 2016 at 13:01, Ivan Louette <ivan_louette@...48...> wrote:
Of course you are right for complex multiple objects selection. Double click would be safer.
But some conflicts could occur with the double click used to leave a group you opened previously with another double click inside one of its components.
In CAD-software the default way to clear the selection is using Escape key, and it simply cannot be done with mouse (single or double clicks).
In fact I remember when starting to use Inkscape it was a tough point to come over, that the selection disappeared if I miss-clicked. On a positive side, I got really quick at precise mouse moves using Inkscape full time a whole year :)
You are right there is some jump-into-group behaviour when double clicking groups, however, we are talking about empty areas, not jump-to-group (which requires you to actually hit the object).
Le Vendredi 17 juin 2016 12h51, C R <cajhne@...400...> a écrit :
Hey Olof! :)
However, the Select Tool still uses single clicks to deselect objects. Is this inconsistency intentional...?
Doesn't it make sense to have double-clicks to deselect objects just as is the case for nodes?
I think it should be double click here too to deselect objects, since there is no way to regain your previous selection (and my selection get pretty big for grouping sometimes).
For consistency as well as functionality, this makes the most sense to me.
-C
Cheers,
/Olof
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In CAD-software the default way to clear the selection is using Escape key, and it simply cannot be done with mouse (single or double clicks).
I recommend this, in a complex drawing you have to guess where blank space is, and often what happens is you accidently click on something you don't see. It's always better to hit escape to deselect in the first place, which is how I do it lately.
In fact I remember when starting to use Inkscape it was a tough point to come over, that the selection disappeared if I miss-clicked. On a positive side, I got really quick at precise mouse moves using Inkscape full time a whole year :)
Yes, that's always been annoying. I'm happy to see steps taken to address it.
You are right there is some jump-into-group behaviour when double clicking
groups, however, we are talking about empty areas, not jump-to-group (which requires you to actually hit the object).
Jumping out is a harder situation though. Maybe escape twice backs you out of the group too.
So escape once: deselect escape with nothing selected: back out of group.
-C
Le Vendredi 17 juin 2016 12h51, C R <cajhne@...400...> a écrit :
Hey Olof! :)
However, the Select Tool still uses single clicks to deselect objects. Is this inconsistency intentional...?
Doesn't it make sense to have double-clicks to deselect objects just as is the case for nodes?
I think it should be double click here too to deselect objects, since there is no way to regain your previous selection (and my selection get pretty big for grouping sometimes).
For consistency as well as functionality, this makes the most sense to me.
-C
Cheers,
/Olof
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Yes Escape twice could be the right solution.
Le Vendredi 17 juin 2016 13h28, C R <cajhne@...400...> a écrit :
In CAD-software the default way to clear the selection is using Escape key, and it simply cannot be done with mouse (single or double clicks).
I recommend this, in a complex drawing you have to guess where blank space is, and often what happens is you accidently click on something you don't see. It's always better to hit escape to deselect in the first place, which is how I do it lately. In fact I remember when starting to use Inkscape it was a tough point to come over, that the selection disappeared if I miss-clicked. On a positive side, I got really quick at precise mouse moves using Inkscape full time a whole year :)
Yes, that's always been annoying. I'm happy to see steps taken to address it.
You are right there is some jump-into-group behaviour when double clicking groups, however, we are talking about empty areas, not jump-to-group (which requires you to actually hit the object).
Jumping out is a harder situation though. Maybe escape twice backs you out of the group too. So escape once: deselectescape with nothing selected: back out of group. -C
Le Vendredi 17 juin 2016 12h51, C R <cajhne@...400...> a écrit :
Hey Olof! :)
However, the Select Tool still uses single clicks to deselect objects.Is this inconsistency intentional...? Doesn't it make sense to have double-clicks to deselect objects just as is the case for nodes?
I think it should be double click here too to deselect objects, since there is no way to regain your previous selection (and my selection get pretty big for grouping sometimes). For consistency as well as functionality, this makes the most sense to me. -C
Cheers,
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On 17 June 2016 at 13:50, Ivan Louette <ivan_louette@...48...> wrote:
Yes Escape twice could be the right solution.
So maybe this is a LP issue to file ... ?
To make deselect behaviour consistent between Select- and Node Tool, these are desired changes to Inkscape: - Select Tool should use double-click on empty area to deselect all objects (not single click) - When in "group mode" (?), Escape should deselect all objects, or if there are not objects selected, jump out of "group mode" - Double click does not jump out of groups, just deselect things
Something like that?
Le Vendredi 17 juin 2016 13h28, C R <cajhne@...400...> a écrit :
In CAD-software the default way to clear the selection is using Escape key, and it simply cannot be done with mouse (single or double clicks).
I recommend this, in a complex drawing you have to guess where blank space is, and often what happens is you accidently click on something you don't see. It's always better to hit escape to deselect in the first place, which is how I do it lately.
In fact I remember when starting to use Inkscape it was a tough point to come over, that the selection disappeared if I miss-clicked. On a positive side, I got really quick at precise mouse moves using Inkscape full time a whole year :)
Yes, that's always been annoying. I'm happy to see steps taken to address it.
You are right there is some jump-into-group behaviour when double clicking groups, however, we are talking about empty areas, not jump-to-group (which requires you to actually hit the object).
Jumping out is a harder situation though. Maybe escape twice backs you out of the group too.
So escape once: deselect escape with nothing selected: back out of group.
-C
Le Vendredi 17 juin 2016 12h51, C R <cajhne@...400...> a écrit :
Hey Olof! :)
However, the Select Tool still uses single clicks to deselect objects. Is this inconsistency intentional...?
Doesn't it make sense to have double-clicks to deselect objects just as is the case for nodes?
I think it should be double click here too to deselect objects, since there is no way to regain your previous selection (and my selection get pretty big for grouping sometimes).
For consistency as well as functionality, this makes the most sense to me.
-C
Cheers,
/Olof
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I'm not a CAD expert but I've used some and frankly I've never encountered (or at least noticed) the "deselect with esc only" feature. My opinion is that the universal click-select action has an already consolidated behavior across many different programs and platforms.
I find quite natural clicking nothing to select nothing because you click an object to select it then if you click another, the second is selected and the first unselected (and this is very convenient). If you want to add to (or remove from) the selection you click with a modifier. That's pretty straightforward and I think that many users are already used to this.
I agree that making complex selections can be hard if your fingers and nerves are not firm enough but I also consider that complex selections are usually needed far less than simple ones so the normal select behavior is convenient in much more cases. Also, you can always disrupt your carefully crafted selection just clicking on another object, not only on an empty area, so how would you manage this: making the add/remove to/from selection sticky? This would be a killer in normal usage. A much simpler and less intrusive solution could be making the add/remove modifier persistent, just like caps-lock (and you may use exactly the caps-lock key for it).
I wouldn't sacrifice general usability for such a particular need, or at least I'd make it configurable as it's a matter of personal habit and attitude (that's to say that you could make someone unhappy with the modifications this thread is about).
Luca
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On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Olof Bjarnason <olof.bjarnason@...400...> wrote:
Is this inconsistency intentional...?
I would think the double-click to deselect nodes is a bug rather than an intentional change. I had been wondering why my track pad's left button seemed like it was getting wonky when using Inkscape. Does anyone know when this was introduced?
Cheers, Josh
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