Re: [Inkscape-devel] Snapping toolbar
Op Vr, 16 januari, 2009 01:39, schreef Rock Star:
The difference between creating and editing can be somehow seen from the video [1].
That video indeed explains everything! A few months ago I introduced a snapping delay, which makes snapping in Inkscape much more responsive in complex documents. That snapping delay is what you noticed when editing objects, but it apparently it doesn't work when creating objects. I will fix that. If however you prefer the old behavior without any delay, then just go the preferences -> snapping and set the delay to zero.
Now I see the problem with guides and grid and toggles. However, since I come more from a CAD world, I'm used of snapping to whatever is visible. Hence, if there are 2 grids turned on, I would expect to snap to both. This would than mean 2 more toggles. If you see grid/guides it snaps, otherwise not.
Maybe it isn't a problem after all to add an additional toggle in series. When creating a grid, the per-grid snapping is turned on by default. So if a user is not aware of this then he won't notice, and if he turns it off then... well, that's his/here responsibility ;-). So we would end up with these options in series:
1) the global snapping toggle -> EVERY USER MUST KNOW ABOUT THIS** 2) the GLOBAL grid snapping toggle -> CLEARLY RECOGNIZABLE ON THE TOOLBAR 3) the PER-GRID snapping toggle -> ON BY DEFAULT 4) snap bounding box corners toggle or the snap nodes toggle -> EVERY USER MUST KNOW ABOUT THIS TOO**
**) ... but only if they care about snapping obviously.
Anyway, thanks for the answer and additional explanation.
You're welcome. Thanks for your feedback!
Diederik
Hello,
I just wanted to say that I have been very excited to read about the snapping toolbar which Diederik has implemented! I can't seem to find it on the windows precompiled devlopment binary I downloaded a couple of days ago so I will try the linux version at the weekend.
I wondered if it was still intended to use the shape of the 'snap indicator' (like corel) to show what modes of snapping are active with or without a tooltip to say it (endpoint, midpoint ...).
The same symbols could then be used on the snapping toolbar if desired, in the 'what to snap to' you were discussing.
I'm know you've tried corel now, and I think the shapes they use a more intuitive to a new user than those autocad uses:
http://www.corel.co.uk/uk/pdfs/cgs12/cdgs12_snapit.pdf
(page 3)
Best Wishes, Alex
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009, Diederik van Lierop wrote:
Op Vr, 16 januari, 2009 01:39, schreef Rock Star:
The difference between creating and editing can be somehow seen from the video [1].
That video indeed explains everything! A few months ago I introduced a snapping delay, which makes snapping in Inkscape much more responsive in complex documents. That snapping delay is what you noticed when editing objects, but it apparently it doesn't work when creating objects. I will fix that. If however you prefer the old behavior without any delay, then just go the preferences -> snapping and set the delay to zero.
Now I see the problem with guides and grid and toggles. However, since I come more from a CAD world, I'm used of snapping to whatever is visible. Hence, if there are 2 grids turned on, I would expect to snap to both. This would than mean 2 more toggles. If you see grid/guides it snaps, otherwise not.
Maybe it isn't a problem after all to add an additional toggle in series. When creating a grid, the per-grid snapping is turned on by default. So if a user is not aware of this then he won't notice, and if he turns it off then... well, that's his/here responsibility ;-). So we would end up with these options in series:
- the global snapping toggle -> EVERY USER MUST KNOW ABOUT THIS**
- the GLOBAL grid snapping toggle -> CLEARLY RECOGNIZABLE ON THE TOOLBAR
- the PER-GRID snapping toggle -> ON BY DEFAULT
- snap bounding box corners toggle or the snap nodes toggle -> EVERY USER MUST KNOW ABOUT THIS TOO**
**) ... but only if they care about snapping obviously.
Anyway, thanks for the answer and additional explanation.
You're welcome. Thanks for your feedback!
Diederik
Hi Alex,
From: A.J. Carter [mailto:ajc200@...1930...] Sent: 2009 jan 16 12:13
it on the windows precompiled devlopment binary I downloaded a couple of days ago so I will try the linux version at the weekend.
It's in the windows nightly build that I've tested this morning. Don't know about previous builds.
I wondered if it was still intended to use the shape of the 'snap indicator' (like corel) to show what modes of snapping are active with or without a tooltip to say it (endpoint, midpoint ...).
Yes, someday we will have it like that. The snapping mechanism already has been prepared for this, it's only a matter of changing the shape of the indicator. I already had a look at this, but I'm not sure about the effort this would require though. Currently we're using a stock indicator, which should be replaced by a custom indicator.
Is there a RFE filed for this on Launchpad? I'm not sure, but this would we good to have.
I'm know you've tried corel now, and I think the shapes they use a more intuitive to a new user than those autocad uses:
The icons on our snapping toolbar are even more intuitive, well at least that's my (heavily prejudiced) opinion. We probably cannot use those though for the snap indicator because you might not recognize them when they're that small.
Diederik
I've just downloaded and tried it and it works in this one. It's great to see such a useful feature to be developing at such a speed, thankyou!
If changing the shape of the snap indicator is a lot of effort in the long term, would it be possible to have a 'tooltip' pop up with it in the shorter term to say ("intersection") to indicate that the current X is the intersection of two objects. When things are close together it would help to see what exactly is snapping at that moment to ensure precision.
I think this may be what you were talking about earlier but in my tests if you draw a line, click elsewhere to deselect it, and then draw a new one with the start 'snapped' to the end of the exsting one the 'snap indicator' does not appear.
Similarly, if you want to pick a line up _from_ its center it does not appear when you hover close to the center of the line with the select tool. Once you are moving the line it does appear though when you get close to another object (say if you wanted to align two midpoints of lines to make an X shape from two seperate lines).
Re the icons, as someone from a more technical drawing background I have to admit that I do find the corel/autocad ones to be a little more intuitive personally. For example the second from the right, I would assume to mean 'snap to intersection' (i.e. between any two objects where the line/curve of a shape crosses any other line/curve on the same or a different object, whereas from the tooltip it seems to be "snap to the intersection of a grid with a guide".
Thanks again for all your work :-)
Alex
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009, Diederik van Lierop wrote:
Hi Alex,
From: A.J. Carter [mailto:ajc200@...1930...] Sent: 2009 jan 16 12:13
it on the windows precompiled devlopment binary I downloaded a couple of days ago so I will try the linux version at the weekend.
It's in the windows nightly build that I've tested this morning. Don't know about previous builds.
I wondered if it was still intended to use the shape of the 'snap indicator' (like corel) to show what modes of snapping are active with or without a tooltip to say it (endpoint, midpoint ...).
Yes, someday we will have it like that. The snapping mechanism already has been prepared for this, it's only a matter of changing the shape of the indicator. I already had a look at this, but I'm not sure about the effort this would require though. Currently we're using a stock indicator, which should be replaced by a custom indicator.
Is there a RFE filed for this on Launchpad? I'm not sure, but this would we good to have.
I'm know you've tried corel now, and I think the shapes they use a more intuitive to a new user than those autocad uses:
The icons on our snapping toolbar are even more intuitive, well at least that's my (heavily prejudiced) opinion. We probably cannot use those though for the snap indicator because you might not recognize them when they're that small.
Diederik
-----Original Message----- From: A.J. Carter [mailto:ajc200@...1930...] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 14:30 To: Diederik van Lierop Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Snapping toolbar
If changing the shape of the snap indicator is a lot of effort in the long term, would it be possible to have a 'tooltip' pop up with it in the shorter term to say ("intersection") to indicate that the current X is the intersection of two objects. When things are close together it would help to see what exactly is snapping at that moment to ensure precision.
I made the snap indicator with the intention of showing what kind of snap is happening. It shouldn't be that much work, but I won't be working on it soon as my TODO list is too long already... :/
A first step to make this possible is to attach the kind of snap to the snapped point/line (don't have code here, but a snaptype member must be added to the 'SnappedPoint' class or whatever it is called). When that is working, we can have the snapindicator draw different icons on the canvas. As a starting point to see whether it works, one could draw other 'stock' icons like a circle, a square or a diamond (the shapes that are used for path nodes) to indicate the different snaptypes. By looking at how those shapes are created, one can make new shapes and use them in the same way.
Cheers, Johan
-----Original Message----- From: J.B.C.Engelen@...1578... [mailto:J.B.C.Engelen@...1578...] Sent: 2009 jan 16 15:16
A first step to make this possible is to attach the kind of snap to the snapped point/line (don't have code here, but a snaptype member must be added to the 'SnappedPoint' class or whatever it is called).
Has already been taken care of ages ago ;-)
is working, we can have the snapindicator draw different icons on the canvas. As a starting point to see whether it works, one could draw other 'stock' icons like a circle, a square or a diamond (the shapes that are used for path nodes) to indicate the different snaptypes.
Should also work already, although I don't recall testing it.
By looking at how those shapes are created, one can make new shapes and use them in the same way.
Yes, that's where we are now! I only spend maybe 10 minutes on this, but I got lost in the code...
Bye,
Diederik
-----Original Message----- From: Diederik van Lierop [mailto:mail@...1689...] Sent: vrijdag 16 januari 2009 17:06 To: Engelen, J.B.C. (Johan); ajc200@...1930... Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Snapping toolbar
-----Original Message----- From: J.B.C.Engelen@...1578... [mailto:J.B.C.Engelen@...1578...] Sent: 2009 jan 16 15:16
A first step to make this possible is to attach the kind of snap to the snapped point/line (don't have code here, but a snaptype member must be added to the 'SnappedPoint' class or whatever it is called).
Has already been taken care of ages ago ;-)
Bad memory, sorry :(
is working, we can have the snapindicator draw different
icons on the
canvas. As a starting point to see whether it works, one could draw other 'stock' icons like a circle, a square or a diamond
(the shapes
that are used for path nodes) to indicate the different snaptypes.
Should also work already, although I don't recall testing it.
I just added code to separate the several cases, but all cases are treated the same for now.
Maybe there is a better way of visualizing the snap. Instead of putting the snaptype indicator at the location of snapping, why not put it close to the mouse pointer?
There is now a special snap indicator for snapping to path nodes. (turn off snapping to paths to see it)
On 01/16/2009 02:30 PM, A.J. Carter wrote:
If changing the shape of the snap indicator is a lot of effort in the long term, would it be possible to have a 'tooltip' pop up with it in the shorter term to say ("intersection") to indicate that the current X is the intersection of two objects. When things are close together it would help to see what exactly is snapping at that moment to ensure precision.
I'd prefer a tooltip too, I think. There are just too much different types of snap targets (currently about 15) to give each a different indicator. It will be hard to determine what has snapped, based on only a small indicator. We could however decide to have only two distinct indicators, i.e. one for snapping to a point (fully constrained) and one for snapping to a line (1 degree-of-freedom left). The tooltip would then tell exactly what was snapped to.
I think this may be what you were talking about earlier but in my tests if you draw a line, click elsewhere to deselect it, and then draw a new one with the start 'snapped' to the end of the exsting one the 'snap indicator' does not appear.
No, it was something else. But what you describe works for me though. The snap-indicator really does appear! You're probably already using the latest development build, so I won't question that ;-). Could you describe the steps to reproduce this as accurate as possible and send me a sample file?
Similarly, if you want to pick a line up _from_ its center it does not appear when you hover close to the center of the line with the select tool
Exactly what should appear? The source snap-indicator? Works for me, sorry ;-). Have you enabled both "display snap indicator" and "only snap the node closest to the pointer" in the preferences dialog, and is snapping to/from midpoints turned on in the snapping toolbar?
Re the icons, as someone from a more technical drawing background I have to admit that I do find the corel/autocad ones to be a little more intuitive personally. For example the second from the right, I would assume to mean 'snap to intersection' (i.e. between any two objects where the line/curve of a shape crosses any other line/curve on the same or a different object, whereas from the tooltip it seems to be "snap to the intersection of a grid with a guide".
Yes, that one is ambiguous because we have to different buttons for snapping to intersections, one for intersections of paths and one for intersections of grids/guides. One of these days I'll add two more buttons next to that one, one for toggling the snapping to grids and one for toggling snapping to guides. Maybe then things will become a bit more intuitive.
Regards,
Diederik
Dear Diederik,
I don't know if you remember, but late in January we talked about the snapping facilities of inkscape. I apologise for taking so long to reply, but my PhD has finished and I was searching for a job, plus the development builds for windows stopped working for several weeks.
I wanted to reply and finally have got round to doing so!
I've downloaded the latest snapshot this morning, and I _love_ the snapping tooltip which pops up - it's a great feature. Thanks so much !
Please find the whole message at the bottom of this e-mail, but the part I wanted to reply to was this one:
Similarly, if you want to pick a line up _from_ its center it does not appear when you hover close to the center of the line with the select tool
Exactly what should appear? The source snap-indicator? Works for me, sorry ;-). Have you enabled both "display snap indicator" and "only snap
I'm finding it hard to describe what I meant when I said "pick up a line _from_" so I thought a video may help, showing inkscape vs. corel.
In both cases I'm drawing two rectangles (snapped to grid) then translating one so it exactly touches the corner of the other.
When I was saying pick up the box _from_ it's corner in corel the 'node' tooltip pops up before I click to select the object, while in inkscape it's not clear that I'm holding the corner as I translate the object (although as you correctly say indeed it is), and only appears as I finally position it.
I think it would be clearer if the tooltip popped up to show which part of the object is _about_ to be selected ala corel.
Also if only 'snap to nearest' is selected the tooltip only needs to display on screen what is being snapped _to_ since in the corel approach what is being snapped _from_ is displayed at the time of selection. (As opposed to inkscape's which says both in the tip)
I've put both videos on a web-site I look after (a small UK collectors association) and hope you will have chance to watch:
www.lockcollectors.eu/corel.avi (9mb) www.lockcollectors.eu/inkscape.avi (9mb)
Again, I really appreciate you fantastic effort with this very useful feature and hope to hear from you.
Best Wishes, Alex
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009, Diederik van Lierop wrote:
On 01/16/2009 02:30 PM, A.J. Carter wrote:
If changing the shape of the snap indicator is a lot of effort in the long term, would it be possible to have a 'tooltip' pop up with it in the shorter term to say ("intersection") to indicate that the current X is the intersection of two objects. When things are close together it would help to see what exactly is snapping at that moment to ensure precision.
I'd prefer a tooltip too, I think. There are just too much different types of snap targets (currently about 15) to give each a different indicator. It will be hard to determine what has snapped, based on only a small indicator. We could however decide to have only two distinct indicators, i.e. one for snapping to a point (fully constrained) and one for snapping to a line (1 degree-of-freedom left). The tooltip would then tell exactly what was snapped to.
I think this may be what you were talking about earlier but in my tests if you draw a line, click elsewhere to deselect it, and then draw a new one with the start 'snapped' to the end of the exsting one the 'snap indicator' does not appear.
No, it was something else. But what you describe works for me though. The snap-indicator really does appear! You're probably already using the latest development build, so I won't question that ;-). Could you describe the steps to reproduce this as accurate as possible and send me a sample file?
Similarly, if you want to pick a line up _from_ its center it does not appear when you hover close to the center of the line with the select tool
Exactly what should appear? The source snap-indicator? Works for me, sorry ;-). Have you enabled both "display snap indicator" and "only snap the node closest to the pointer" in the preferences dialog, and is snapping to/from midpoints turned on in the snapping toolbar?
Re the icons, as someone from a more technical drawing background I have to admit that I do find the corel/autocad ones to be a little more intuitive personally. For example the second from the right, I would assume to mean 'snap to intersection' (i.e. between any two objects where the line/curve of a shape crosses any other line/curve on the same or a different object, whereas from the tooltip it seems to be "snap to the intersection of a grid with a guide".
Yes, that one is ambiguous because we have to different buttons for snapping to intersections, one for intersections of paths and one for intersections of grids/guides. One of these days I'll add two more buttons next to that one, one for toggling the snapping to grids and one for toggling snapping to guides. Maybe then things will become a bit more intuitive.
Regards,
Diederik
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On 03/21/2009 06:16 PM, A.J. Carter wrote:
In both cases I'm drawing two rectangles (snapped to grid) then translating one so it exactly touches the corner of the other.
When I was saying pick up the box _from_ it's corner in corel the 'node' tooltip pops up before I click to select the object, while in inkscape it's not clear that I'm holding the corner as I translate the object (although as you correctly say indeed it is)
In Inkscape you don't grab a rectangle by its corner, but instead you grab the full rectangle including all of its four corners. Any corner might snap, not just the one you tried to grab. So you don't really hold the corner as in CorelDraw. This difference is quite subtle. In the nightly builds however there is this option to snap only the node (of the item that's being dragged) closest to the mouse pointer, or if you think you'd like something in between then there's the slider to set a weight factor, buy you probably already knew that.
, and only appears as I finally position it.
Correct, Inkscape only has a POST-snap indicator. A PRE-snap indicator is still on my to-do list :-). The pre-snap indicator is especially needed in cases where there's nothing there yet, for example when creating new shapes.
I think it would be clearer if the tooltip popped up to show which part of the object is _about_ to be selected ala corel.
That could be useful indeed!
Also if only 'snap to nearest' is selected the tooltip only needs to display on screen what is being snapped _to_ since in the corel approach what is being snapped _from_ is displayed at the time of selection. (As opposed to inkscape's which says both in the tip)
But it doesn't hurt to display both in the tooltip, does it? The text is a bit long in some cases, but that's all. It might be hard to discern whether it's the node or the boundingbox that is snapping when only a marker is shown. Now it's made explicit in the tooltip's text.
Thanks for the videos and for your feedback, it really is much appreciated!
Regards,
Diederik
In Inkscape you don't grab a rectangle by its corner, but instead you grab the full rectangle including all of its four corners. Any corner might snap, not just the one you tried to grab. So you don't really hold the corner as in CorelDraw. This difference is quite subtle. In the nightly builds however there is this option to snap only the node (of the item that's being dragged) closest to the mouse pointer, or if you think you'd like something in between then there's the slider to set a weight factor, buy you probably already knew that.
Yes, but isn't selecting near to the corner _with_ the "snap closest to mouse pointer" enabled then the same thing as picking up by the corner itself?
If so, with this option enabled, a pre-snap indicator would certainly be possible at the cursor position.
Correct, Inkscape only has a POST-snap indicator. A PRE-snap indicator is still on my to-do list :-). The pre-snap indicator is especially needed in cases where there's nothing there yet, for example when creating new shapes.
I'd love to see the pre-snap indicator when you have time :-)
But it doesn't hurt to display both in the tooltip, does it? The text is a bit long in some cases, but that's all. It might be hard to discern whether it's the node or the boundingbox that is snapping when only a marker is shown. Now it's made explicit in the tooltip's text.
I agree it shouldn't hurt in principle, but when I select the shape to move as far I'm concerned the pre-'snap point' has already been selected when I picked it up, and so I'm only looking for the other snap when I position it, and it needs kind of a double take when two pop up.
This all comes down to whether the "snap to the point nearest the cursor" option is active, or not. If it's on only the end of the snap is required at final positioning, otherwise yes both are needed.
Perhaps my difficulty is why would you ever want it to snap away from the cursor - surely if you wanted to snap at the opposite side of the shape, you'd pick it up somewhere there wouldn't you ?
Thanks again for all your work Diederik ! Alex
On 04/04/2009 07:50 PM, A.J. Carter wrote:
In Inkscape you don't grab a rectangle by its corner, but instead you grab the full rectangle including all of its four corners. Any corner might snap, not just the one you tried to grab. So you don't really hold the corner as in CorelDraw. This difference is quite subtle. In the nightly builds however there is this option to snap only the node (of the item that's being dragged) closest to the mouse pointer, or if you think you'd like something in between then there's the slider to set a weight factor, buy you probably already knew that.
Yes, but isn't selecting near to the corner _with_ the "snap closest to mouse pointer" enabled then the same thing as picking up by the corner itself?
Yes, you're right about that of course. To the user that doesn't make a difference, I guess I got my head stuck in the code ;-)
If so, with this option enabled, a pre-snap indicator would certainly be possible at the cursor position.
That would then be a SOURCE-pre-snap-indicator.
The pre-snap indicator is especially needed in cases where there's nothing there yet, for example when creating new shapes.
.. and this would then be called the TARGET-pre-snap-indicator
But it doesn't hurt to display both in the tooltip, does it? The text is a bit long in some cases, but that's all. It might be hard to discern whether it's the node or the boundingbox that is snapping when only a marker is shown. Now it's made explicit in the tooltip's text.
I agree it shouldn't hurt in principle, but when I select the shape to move as far I'm concerned the pre-'snap point' has already been selected when I picked it up, and so I'm only looking for the other snap when I position it, and it needs kind of a double take when two pop up.
This all comes down to whether the "snap to the point nearest the cursor" option is active, or not. If it's on only the end of the snap is required at final positioning, otherwise yes both are needed.
Perhaps my difficulty is why would you ever want it to snap away from the cursor - surely if you wanted to snap at the opposite side of the shape, you'd pick it up somewhere there wouldn't you ?
Yes, that's right. The main (or even only) use of this is when multiple snap sources are available which are very close together, at one single side of the shape (for example the bounding box corner and the node of a rectangle). The mouse pointer might be covering all of them, which makes it hard to accurately select the desired snap source. When using "snap closest to mouse pointer only", you will have to zoom in to reliably control the snap source. Using Inkscape's default snapping mode however, Inkscape will first snap considering all candidate snap sources, then show you which has snapped, and finally allow you to change which snaps by moving the mouse a little. I've got used to that and like it that way best, but I can imagine not everyone feels the same. That's why it's been made configurable :-)
Diederik
That would then be a SOURCE-pre-snap-indicator. .. and this would then be called the TARGET-pre-snap-indicator
I love the idea of this - it encompasses exactly what I was meaning - but you've phrased it in a way that makes it so much clearer than I described.
If something like this could make it's way into inkscape I think it would make the snapping perfect !
The mouse pointer might be covering all of them, which makes it hard to accurately select the desired snap source. When using "snap closest to mouse pointer only", you will have to zoom in to reliably control the snap source.
One other other might be to use a keypress like ALT or something, to scroll between possible snap points. With the advent of the tooltip and highlighting of the object that would probably also be sufficient to select even close together points perhaps?
Best Wishes,
Alex
I apologize for a bi late answer. However, thanks for additional explanation. Snapping delay is indeed a brilliant solution (which "solved" my questions of course) :)
As far as the toolbar is concerned I'd vote for a solution that fits most Inksape users. After all, when there's an option to add custom toolbars and icons this won't be such a big issue anyway. And I believe one day Inkscape will get these options as well :) I spoke more from the point of view that I got used to from CAD world and CorelDraw for example. But I believe this should not be the one and only reference, since Inkscape is already superior to those programs in quite few things (snapping delay for example :) ).
Best regards, Rok
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Diederik van Lierop <mail@...1689...>wrote:
Op Vr, 16 januari, 2009 01:39, schreef Rock Star:
The difference between creating and editing can be somehow seen from the video [1].
That video indeed explains everything! A few months ago I introduced a snapping delay, which makes snapping in Inkscape much more responsive in complex documents. That snapping delay is what you noticed when editing objects, but it apparently it doesn't work when creating objects. I will fix that. If however you prefer the old behavior without any delay, then just go the preferences -> snapping and set the delay to zero.
Now I see the problem with guides and grid and toggles. However, since I come more from a CAD world, I'm used of snapping to whatever is visible. Hence, if there are 2 grids turned on, I would expect to snap to both. This would than mean 2 more toggles. If you see grid/guides it snaps,
otherwise
not.
Maybe it isn't a problem after all to add an additional toggle in series. When creating a grid, the per-grid snapping is turned on by default. So if a user is not aware of this then he won't notice, and if he turns it off then... well, that's his/here responsibility ;-). So we would end up with these options in series:
- the global snapping toggle -> EVERY USER MUST KNOW ABOUT THIS**
- the GLOBAL grid snapping toggle -> CLEARLY RECOGNIZABLE ON THE TOOLBAR
- the PER-GRID snapping toggle -> ON BY DEFAULT
- snap bounding box corners toggle or the snap nodes toggle -> EVERY USER MUST KNOW ABOUT THIS TOO**
**) ... but only if they care about snapping obviously.
Anyway, thanks for the answer and additional explanation.
You're welcome. Thanks for your feedback!
Diederik
On 01/16/2009 09:04 AM, Diederik van Lierop wrote:
Op Vr, 16 januari, 2009 01:39, schreef Rock Star:
The difference between creating and editing can be somehow seen from the video [1].
That video indeed explains everything! A few months ago I introduced a snapping delay, which makes snapping in Inkscape much more responsive in complex documents. That snapping delay is what you noticed when editing objects, but it apparently it doesn't work when creating objects.
This has been fixed as of rev. #20570. The snap-delay mechanism should now be more robust. From now on, it is turned on and off explicitly within each context. I think I've modified and tested all tools that use snapping, but if I missed one then Inkscape should display a warning on the console. If you see any such snapping related warning then please drop me an email.
Regards,
Diederik
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