On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 23:53, bulia byak wrote: I would also prefer that we retain unsinkability as the default. However, I would like to see a resolution to the sawfish issue before the release, and our three choices are: 1. revert unsinkability 2. introduce custom window decorations that are guaranteed to be present 3. find some constellation of WM hints that makes Sawfish (and other affected window managers) do what we need [ If it is possible to determine the current WM, an option for any of these approaches might be to construct a whitelist of WMs that will do unsinkability properly the simple way, and possibly introduce workarounds for others. ] One extra thing that would be nice, based on the testing, is a visually obvious way to sink/hide/collapse these windows. But that's icing at the moment since we're so close to a release. So... any ideas? -mental