El vie, 23-01-2009 a las 22:46 +0000, Pajarico escribió:
First we don't know what is the
profile of the average Inkscape user so we don't know if he likes
tango, if he prefers one shade over differentiated colors, if he uses
other apps like Gimp or Scribus (personal opinion: i use Inky and
Indesign and Photoshop)... Hell, we don't even know what is the
majority operating systems of these users, which brings me the
following point: what is "unification"? Keep in mind that not everyone
uses Tango icons, not everyone uses gnome, and not everyone uses even
Linux! What about users in Windows or MacOS?? This won't bring any
unification for them for the most part unless they have Gimp or
Scribus (maybe other apps), and not everyone is using them with
Inkscape. So what's the deal?
Well, of course it doesn't make much sense if you think about inkscape
as an isolated application, but Inkscape is the flagship vector
illustration program in free software, and it since we'll possibly never
have a "Creative Suite" in the free software world the idea of a good
integration between the main applications makes a lot of sense.
One of the strengths of Adobe CS is that every application in the suite
is integrated seamlessly (or at least that's what they'd want).
Free software packages can't do that but at least an effort to unify
criteria would benefit a good workflow between application for people
who can't afford a proprietary design suite.
You don't seem to care about the fact that Inkscape is free software and
there are people interested in achieving a good workflow between other
free packages, but that's very important for many of us.
Also about the point of icons being made of a single color vs.
multiple colors... well, maybe is matter of taste, but i like icons to
be distinctive in shape and colors. A single shade of a color won't
make them inherently "better", rather the contrary (IMHO). Adobe has
done that (single color icons with minimum saturation) and is a
hit-and-miss approach. In one hand they won't distract the user, on
the other difficulties on picking and telling apart tools might arise
(i'm talking about experience).
That's something that can be discussed of course. The single shades
thing was a suggestion based on how the other applications implemented
their icons and on the idea that primitives are sort of "blank" objects,
not something with a pre-defined style.
Of course the rapid identification of the icons is a valid argument in
favour of the colored icons.
But I think that when it comes to frequent use items as toolbar icons
users tend to memorize the position of the icon more than its shape or
color. And that's why you can't find anything when you go from Inkscape
to Illustrator, for instance.
I could agree that the current icons could use some improvements
and there but bashing them and sustituting them just based on those
arguments seems a bit unfair to me.
Why we don't try to see what current icons are worth for and improve
from that? or improve the Preferences dialog to let the user choose
easily between icons sets? As english say "don't throw the baby with
It's not about bashing the current set. But there's a proposal to
replace a set with a lot of problems for a complete, stylized and
The current Tango set has coherence. The current default set has a lot
of style problems (some have chiseled look, some don't, some have
saturated colors, some don't, some have outlines, some don't, there
isn't apparently a color palette or some guides about how to combine the
colors). It's functional, but it has a lot of problems.
And fixing all those problems would require an incredible amount of
work, a work that has already been done in the Tango set.
You may dislike the Tango set, but you can't deny that the current state
is more streamlined and look more polished if you put two screenshots
My suggestion was to put Tango as default just to see the users
reaction. As a test.
Another solution would be to add a GUI for selecting different themes
present in the icons folder. But I still think that a finished set is
better for the default look.