Hi! Here is my first progress report. I've been mostly working on understanding gtk and designing some more details about my project. Here is my code branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~slagvi/inkscape/templates I also attach a gui project I made. In fact most of the code responsible for displaying data is already written but if something is not like it should be, please tell me as soon as it's possible. And here is some explanation.
I decided to use tags/keywords instead of categories, as it has been suggested by some of you. But there aren't to many keywords or templates, so all the keywords will be displayed in a list. Clicking on one of them makes appropriate templates to be displayed. Of course one template can be tagged by many keywords. Some of you were talking about previous mockups ( http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/NewFromTemplateSpec) flaws. So I tried to make the interface as simple as possible. All the additional data (like long description, translations, used keywords, license etc) are hidden, as most of users won't need them in the everyday use. It will be displayed after "more info" clicking. What is not in this image, is a short description of the template and its preview. I'm still not sure if preview is a good idea. In most cases it will be just a blank, white page of different sizes... Short description will be added.
Procedural templates will have the two first columns the same, the third will be completely different but i will start thinking about it after static templates are ready.
Please, tell me if its correct, so I could make it work on real templates. I would also like to ask for a wiki account, as it would be better to update all the templates specification via wiki page, so they would be visible for everybody, all the time.
Jan Darowski, Slagvi
Hello Jan,
Good to hear from you.
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 20:41 +0200, Jan Darowski wrote:
Procedural templates will have the two first columns the same, the third will be completely different but i will start thinking about it after static templates are ready.
Some UI review:
No need for the word 'available', just 'Tags' or 'Search Tags' and 'Templates' will do.
The tags list could be done as a drop down on top of the template list, that way you have more room for information about the template.
Create should probably say something like 'Use Template' or 'Create from Template', or just 'Use'. Otherwise it reads like the program wants to Create the selected template instead of open it as a new drawing.
The button should probably be seated outside of the frame widget, unless the buttons are going to be different between the static and procedural. But they shouldn't be for this kind of dialog IMO.
Martin,
Here it is. To be honest I'm not fully convinced to this drop-down list with search tags idea. It's slower in use.
Slagvi
2013/6/17 Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...>
Hello Jan,
Good to hear from you.
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 20:41 +0200, Jan Darowski wrote:
Procedural templates will have the two first columns the same, the third will be completely different but i will start thinking about it after static templates are ready.
Some UI review:
No need for the word 'available', just 'Tags' or 'Search Tags' and 'Templates' will do.
The tags list could be done as a drop down on top of the template list, that way you have more room for information about the template.
Create should probably say something like 'Use Template' or 'Create from Template', or just 'Use'. Otherwise it reads like the program wants to Create the selected template instead of open it as a new drawing.
The button should probably be seated outside of the frame widget, unless the buttons are going to be different between the static and procedural. But they shouldn't be for this kind of dialog IMO.
Martin,
Maybe the widget hiddenly breaked by a horizontal line and all tags down? Multiselect tags for refine filter?
Hi, Jabier.
El mar, 18-06-2013 a las 15:02 +0200, Jan Darowski escribió:
Here it is. To be honest I'm not fully convinced to this drop-down list with search tags idea. It's slower in use.
Slagvi
2013/6/17 Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> Hello Jan,
Good to hear from you. On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 20:41 +0200, Jan Darowski wrote: > Procedural templates will have the two first columns the same, the > third will be completely different but i will start thinking about it > after static templates are ready. Some UI review: No need for the word 'available', just 'Tags' or 'Search Tags' and 'Templates' will do. The tags list could be done as a drop down on top of the template list, that way you have more room for information about the template. Create should probably say something like 'Use Template' or 'Create from Template', or just 'Use'. Otherwise it reads like the program wants to Create the selected template instead of open it as a new drawing. The button should probably be seated outside of the frame widget, unless the buttons are going to be different between the static and procedural. But they shouldn't be for this kind of dialog IMO. Martin,
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About multiselect tags, i see first time in knoweledge base of http://http://www.afterlogic.com. Now changed.
The usage is similar at:
I select a tag making it lemon color: Some tags make disabled, anothers continue enabled. Select another enabled tag, makina a new lemon and reducing the numbers of enabled tags. I olways change a selected tag to unselected.
Sorry for my english.
Hi, Jabier.
El mar, 18-06-2013 a las 15:18 +0200, Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz escribió:
Maybe the widget hiddenly breaked by a horizontal line and all tags down? Multiselect tags for refine filter?
Hi, Jabier.
El mar, 18-06-2013 a las 15:02 +0200, Jan Darowski escribió:
Here it is. To be honest I'm not fully convinced to this drop-down list with search tags idea. It's slower in use.
Slagvi
2013/6/17 Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> Hello Jan,
Good to hear from you. On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 20:41 +0200, Jan Darowski wrote: > Procedural templates will have the two first columns the same, the > third will be completely different but i will start thinking about it > after static templates are ready. Some UI review: No need for the word 'available', just 'Tags' or 'Search Tags' and 'Templates' will do. The tags list could be done as a drop down on top of the template list, that way you have more room for information about the template. Create should probably say something like 'Use Template' or 'Create from Template', or just 'Use'. Otherwise it reads like the program wants to Create the selected template instead of open it as a new drawing. The button should probably be seated outside of the frame widget, unless the buttons are going to be different between the static and procedural. But they shouldn't be for this kind of dialog IMO. Martin,
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2013/6/18 Jan Darowski <jan.darowski@...400...>:
Here it is. To be honest I'm not fully convinced to this drop-down list with search tags idea. It's slower in use.
The tags should be in a combo box, not a list box - e.g. the type where you can type in arbitrary text: http://i.msdn.microsoft.com/dynimg/IC510542.png - the one in the middle. In gtkmm, this midget is called Gtk::ComboBoxText. Typing in the box would search in the tags, names and descriptions of the templates, while selecting from the dropdown would show the selected tag.
Regards, Krzysztof
Jan Darowski wrote
I'm still not sure if preview is a good idea. In most cases it will be just a blank, white page of different sizes...
An idea: why not showing the template page in relation with a user chosen reference format as A4 or Letter? This could give a quick hint on what's big and what's small. Also, the preview would help a lot if the page is not blank, that's where templates could be more useful. Or the preview could be an image of an example of a finished document, to see what the template is intended to be used for (if the creator of the template wants to provide one, of course). Luca
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So can we assume that preview is just another file provided with the template, with a filename specified in the templates .svg?
Slagvi
2013/6/18 LucaDC <dicappello@...2144...>
Jan Darowski wrote
I'm still not sure if preview is a good idea. In most cases it will be just a blank, white page of different sizes...
An idea: why not showing the template page in relation with a user chosen reference format as A4 or Letter? This could give a quick hint on what's big and what's small. Also, the preview would help a lot if the page is not blank, that's where templates could be more useful. Or the preview could be an image of an example of a finished document, to see what the template is intended to be used for (if the creator of the template wants to provide one, of course). Luca
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Jan Darowski wrote
So can we assume that preview is just another file provided with the template, with a filename specified in the templates .svg?
I was thinking about embedding the entire document (or a simple small png) in the template itself in the form of informations to be discarded when applying the template to a new document. I don't know if this is easy to implement in the project you are implementing. Luca
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Thanks, I will think of that. At the beginning I will probably implement a solution with just adding a path to the png preview but maybe later on it will be worth improving. Right now I want to focus on the main functionality, adding additional images inside templates svg files seems like sth requiring longer discussion. (for example adding just path is easier for the users who want to create their own templates)
2013/6/18 LucaDC <dicappello@...2144...>
Jan Darowski wrote
So can we assume that preview is just another file provided with the template, with a filename specified in the templates .svg?
I was thinking about embedding the entire document (or a simple small png) in the template itself in the form of informations to be discarded when applying the template to a new document. I don't know if this is easy to implement in the project you are implementing. Luca
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Hi to all. Maybe, could be a good thing when a user save a document in inkscape, automaticaly create a low resolution of the contents of the (page/draw), i think dont need a big image and it could be made quikly, maybe the filters isnt necesary and speed more.
Thisimage is only for templates and for previews of svg files inside the inkscape file selector. Complex svg files previews very fast.
This image, for example, could be saved in all documents like a svg:symbol, and is invisible to the user.
Hi, Jabier.
El mar, 18-06-2013 a las 02:26 -0700, LucaDC escribió:
Jan Darowski wrote
So can we assume that preview is just another file provided with the template, with a filename specified in the templates .svg?
I was thinking about embedding the entire document (or a simple small png) in the template itself in the form of informations to be discarded when applying the template to a new document. I don't know if this is easy to implement in the project you are implementing. Luca
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Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz -
Jan Darowski -
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LucaDC -
Martin Owens