12:34 a.m.
http://www.google.com/trends?q=inkscape%2Cxara
Note that "xara" does not always refer to the vector editor, so in
reality it's even better for us.
Now, to support the momentum, we must release a smashing 0.46 soon
enough, and make a lot of noise about it. It really deserves it. (Note
by the way that while we are ahead in user interest, we are nowhere to
be seen on the lower graph which reflects mentions in the news. That's
not fair.)
GSoCers and all others, please let's get to work one more time and fix
all the loose ends in your projects. They need not be perfect but the
most glaring user-visible problems must be ironed out for Inkscape to
reach a releaseable state. You know who you are and what you need to
do :) If you think that your project is already good enough for a
release, please drop a note here, otherwise let us know of your
current state, what remains to do, and when you are planning to
finalize your work.
And, let's make bugfixing a priority right now, even without waiting
for a freeze. We have a scary number of open bugs in the tracker. Yet
we now have so many developers that if each one closes just one bug a
day, we'll make the tracker shrink pretty fast. Note that closing a
bug need not necessarily involve coding; you can just take some old
bug, test it and close as fixed or unreproduceable. Any help from
non-developers is of course very welcome too. Let's all test, report,
comment, add info, code, test again, and close as many bugs as
possible.
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1:45 a.m.
I would like to help more with filters, but I still don´t understand well
how the filter infrastructure indeed work. We need more documentation on it.
One of the current problems with filters is that rotation is still not
working correctly.
Can you help us, Kiirala?
Juca
On 10/8/07, bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...> wrote:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=inkscape%2Cxara
Note that "xara" does not always refer to the vector editor, so in
reality it's even better for us.
Now, to support the momentum, we must release a smashing 0.46 soon
enough, and make a lot of noise about it. It really deserves it. (Note
by the way that while we are ahead in user interest, we are nowhere to
be seen on the lower graph which reflects mentions in the news. That's
not fair.)
GSoCers and all others, please let's get to work one more time and fix
all the loose ends in your projects. They need not be perfect but the
most glaring user-visible problems must be ironed out for Inkscape to
reach a releaseable state. You know who you are and what you need to
do :) If you think that your project is already good enough for a
release, please drop a note here, otherwise let us know of your
current state, what remains to do, and when you are planning to
finalize your work.
And, let's make bugfixing a priority right now, even without waiting
for a freeze. We have a scary number of open bugs in the tracker. Yet
we now have so many developers that if each one closes just one bug a
day, we'll make the tracker shrink pretty fast. Note that closing a
bug need not necessarily involve coding; you can just take some old
bug, test it and close as fixed or unreproduceable. Any help from
non-developers is of course very welcome too. Let's all test, report,
comment, add info, code, test again, and close as many bugs as
possible.
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3:57 a.m.
Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:45:24 -0300
"Felipe Sanches" <felipe.sanches@...400...> kirjoitti:
I would like to help more with filters, but I still don´t understand
well how the filter infrastructure indeed work. We need more
documentation on it. One of the current problems with filters is that
rotation is still not working correctly.
Can you help us, Kiirala?
Sure I can, but my progress will be quite slow.
For documentation, what areas of filtering code have the biggest need
for more documentation? Perhaps some kind of overview of filtering
framework or maybe in-depth documentation of some smaller part? Please
state your opinion, this is not too obvious for me.
And for rotation not working, what are you referring to, exactly? I
know that filter effects area isn't enforced correctly and in some
cases rendering is ugly (see
http://fedev.blogspot.com/2007/08/large-improvements-in-filtering.html )
but for all I know, rotation works quite well.
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4:34 a.m.
For documentation, what areas of filtering code have the biggest need
for more documentation?
I need to know how to handle input buffers that don´t have the same size as
the output buffer. I also need to know how to work with different coordinate
systems.
Perhaps some kind of overview of filtering
framework or maybe in-depth documentation of some smaller part?
I´d prefer an overview of the current framework and maybe some references
for related stuff to read about the subject.
And for rotation not working, what are you referring to, exactly?
Try rotating the elements which test the convolve matrix filter on the svg
test suite.
Felipe "Juca" Sanches
6:21 a.m.
New subject: Filter effects developer documentation (was: Inkscape overcomes Xara in Google Trends)
Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:34:34 -0300
"Felipe Sanches" <felipe.sanches@...400...> kirjoitti:
Perhaps some kind of overview of filtering
> framework or maybe in-depth documentation of some smaller part?
I´d prefer an overview of the current framework and maybe some
references for related stuff to read about the subject.
It's been a while here, but I've now compiled gathered a bunch of
information about how filter effects work in Inkscape. It's in the
wiki: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Filter_effects_internals
I hope that this helps in understanding the filter effects subsystem in
Inkscape.
--
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niko@...1267...
5:20 p.m.
Hello Niko,
there is some strange thing now using filters.
If the object has to calculate the bounding box the modification of the
filters is ignored.
You can simply check this by blurring an object and then do a bitmap
copy of that object. You will see the sharp cutted borders around the
originals object bounding box.
What we need is that the filters connected to an object will tell the
modification to the bounding box.
Is that possible?
Thx,
Adib.
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Niko Kiirala schrieb:
Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:45:24 -0300
"Felipe Sanches" <felipe.sanches@...400...> kirjoitti:
> I would like to help more with filters, but I still don´t understand
> well how the filter infrastructure indeed work. We need more
> documentation on it. One of the current problems with filters is that
> rotation is still not working correctly.
>
> Can you help us, Kiirala?
Sure I can, but my progress will be quite slow.
For documentation, what areas of filtering code have the biggest need
for more documentation? Perhaps some kind of overview of filtering
framework or maybe in-depth documentation of some smaller part? Please
state your opinion, this is not too obvious for me.
And for rotation not working, what are you referring to, exactly? I
know that filter effects area isn't enforced correctly and in some
cases rendering is ugly (see
http://fedev.blogspot.com/2007/08/large-improvements-in-filtering.html )
but for all I know, rotation works quite well.
8:57 p.m.
Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:20:18 +0200
Adib Taraben <taraben.a@...1512...> kirjoitti:
there is some strange thing now using filters.
If the object has to calculate the bounding box the modification of
the filters is ignored.
You can simply check this by blurring an object and then do a bitmap
copy of that object. You will see the sharp cutted borders around the
originals object bounding box.
What we need is that the filters connected to an object will tell the
modification to the bounding box.
Is that possible?
Yes, this is an old problem. When a filter is applied, the visual
bounding box propably should be equal to bounding box of filter effects
area. This causes other problems, though: if you for example use a
blending mode, the object doesn't appear any larger than before, but
this method would make the visual bounding box larger.
Yes, it's possible, just has to be implemented. There is already a
suitable (though not finished) helper function for that in nr-filter.cpp
--
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niko@...1267...
7:39 a.m.
bulia byak wrote:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=inkscape%2Cxara
Note that "xara" does not always refer to the vector editor, so in
reality it's even better for us.
It goes to show what great work you guys have been doing.
Do you know what caused the spike in the middle of 2005? I suspect it was a
new release but why did it generate so much attention? Releases since then
didn't generate such significant spikes.
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7:51 a.m.
On 10/9/07, microUgly wrote:
Do you know what caused the spike in the middle of 2005? I suspect
it was a
new release but why did it generate so much attention?
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/ReleaseNotes042
And back in those days we cared more about PR :)
Alexandre
7:56 a.m.
> Do you know what caused the spike in the middle of 2005? I
suspect it was a
> new release but why did it generate so much attention?
No it was me, I wouldn't stop banging on about inkscape to who ever I
met; cures cancer I used to say, using polygraphic vectorised lines to
laso the cells etc ;-)
You guys have all done such a fantastic job on inkscape, I enjoy every
release and improve my productivity in ways I never though I could. As
for those nay-sayers that say adobe illustrator is better: bah!
illustrator seems to have such bad svg support (or did at any rate)
anything they can do I'm sure we're already doing much better.
*pint o' beer*
Any of you guys coming to the Ubuntu Developers Summit here in Boston?
I'll be able to go out for drinks etc and show anyone the local brew
pubs.
Best regards, Martin Owens
1:22 p.m.
On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 18:56 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
Any of you guys coming to the Ubuntu Developers Summit here in
Boston?
I'll be able to go out for drinks etc and show anyone the local brew
pubs.
I think that'd be fun. I'm not sure when, though. I don't know what
the schedule will be for the whole event.
--Ted
10:40 a.m.
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 02:51 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On 10/9/07, microUgly wrote:
> Do you know what caused the spike in the middle of 2005? I suspect it was a
> new release but why did it generate so much attention?
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/ReleaseNotes042
And back in those days we cared more about PR :)
Alexandre
Before I worked for Creative Commons ;)
No, we still have a good focus on press at release time, but should
definitely maximize press time on this upcoming release...I have not
abandoned Inkscape ;)
Jon
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9:45 a.m.
On 10/8/07, microUgly <drworm@...1743...> wrote:
Do you know what caused the spike in the middle of 2005? I suspect
it was a
new release but why did it generate so much attention? Releases since then
didn't generate such significant spikes.
That release (perhaps it was 0.42) hit Slashdot. Newer ones didn't, or
were only featured in Slashdot topical forums and not on the front
page. We really must get onto Slashdot front page for 0.46.
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9:50 a.m.
Is it worth fleshing out a PR plan for promotion of the upcoming release? It
will be a huge release (feature wise) and I reckon people will want to know
about all our cool new features...
Cheers,
ryanlerch
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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape overcomes Xara in Google Trends
On 10/8/07, microUgly <drworm@...1743...> wrote:
> Do you know what caused the spike in the middle of 2005? I suspect it
was a
> new release but why did it generate so much attention? Releases since
then
> didn't generate such significant spikes.
That release (perhaps it was 0.42) hit Slashdot. Newer ones didn't, or
were only featured in Slashdot topical forums and not on the front
page. We really must get onto Slashdot front page for 0.46.
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10:06 a.m.
Ryan Lerch wrote:
Is it worth fleshing out a PR plan for promotion of the upcoming
release? It
will be a huge release (feature wise) and I reckon people will want to know
about all our cool new features...
Depending on the time that the release is going to take place, I can
help out with this. I'd be willing to help with screenshots, a tutorial
or two, and with getting the word out to the comics community to check
out the new release. If a lot of us have blogs, I would love to see a
big cross-blog promotion of the new features, with one new article a day
for two or three weeks on all the good stuff, and an index of the
articles hosted somewhere, but distributed around so we can direct as
many readers as possible around this mini blog network.
John
10:20 a.m.
I have created a page on the wiki for this...
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/AnnouncePlanning046
co-ordination and saturation (of decent material) is the best way IMO to get
the word out...
the new feature screencasts that I did a while back are all CC licensed, so
they can be used...
anyone with any other good ideas?
I know this may be a bit premature, (before the release has started)
:)
Cheers,
ryanlerch
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From: John Bintz [mailto:jcoswell@...1414...]
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 11:06 AM
To: Ryan Lerch
Cc: 'bulia byak'; 'microUgly'; inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape overcomes Xara in Google Trends
Ryan Lerch wrote:
> Is it worth fleshing out a PR plan for promotion of the upcoming
release? It
> will be a huge release (feature wise) and I reckon people will want to
know
> about all our cool new features...
>
Depending on the time that the release is going to take place, I can
help out with this. I'd be willing to help with screenshots, a tutorial
or two, and with getting the word out to the comics community to check
out the new release. If a lot of us have blogs, I would love to see a
big cross-blog promotion of the new features, with one new article a day
for two or three weeks on all the good stuff, and an index of the
articles hosted somewhere, but distributed around so we can direct as
many readers as possible around this mini blog network.
John
10:34 a.m.
Is it against proper etiquette to have a project sponsored article
written? Maybe if someone has connections to one of the news outlets
(Newsforge, etc), an article could be "leaked"?
JF
Ryan Lerch wrote:
I have created a page on the wiki for this...
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/AnnouncePlanning046
co-ordination and saturation (of decent material) is the best way IMO to get
the word out...
the new feature screencasts that I did a while back are all CC licensed, so
they can be used...
anyone with any other good ideas?
I know this may be a bit premature, (before the release has started)
:)
Cheers,
ryanlerch
5:37 p.m.
On 10/9/07, Joshua Facemyer / Impressus Art wrote:
Is it against proper etiquette to have a project sponsored article
written? Maybe if someone has connections to one of the news outlets
(Newsforge, etc), an article could be "leaked"?
There is no need for that. As soon as you release 0.46, in a blink of
an eye you will see an article by Nathan WIllis on both newsforge.com
and linux.com :)
Alexandre
10:41 a.m.
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 12:37 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On 10/9/07, Joshua Facemyer / Impressus Art wrote:
> Is it against proper etiquette to have a project sponsored article
> written? Maybe if someone has connections to one of the news outlets
> (Newsforge, etc), an article could be "leaked"?
There is no need for that. As soon as you release 0.46, in a blink of
an eye you will see an article by Nathan WIllis on both newsforge.com
and linux.com :)
Alexandre
Nathan is cool...I'm cc'ing him to bring him into the loop on upcoming
Inkscape press and a hopeful review...
cheers
Jon
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12:31 p.m.
Hi Joshua,
That's certainly within etiquette and definitely something we've done in
the past. So if you're interested in writing something up, i'd
encourage it. Various of us know reporters so can probably arrange to
couple writers with online publications.
Bryce
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 08:34:34PM -0500, Joshua Facemyer / Impressus Art wrote:
Is it against proper etiquette to have a project sponsored article
written? Maybe if someone has connections to one of the news outlets
(Newsforge, etc), an article could be "leaked"?
JF
Ryan Lerch wrote:
> I have created a page on the wiki for this...
>
> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/AnnouncePlanning046
>
> co-ordination and saturation (of decent material) is the best way IMO to get
> the word out...
>
> the new feature screencasts that I did a while back are all CC licensed, so
> they can be used...
>
> anyone with any other good ideas?
>
> I know this may be a bit premature, (before the release has started)
> :)
>
> Cheers,
> ryanlerch
>
>
10:42 a.m.
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 11:20 +1000, Ryan Lerch wrote:
I have created a page on the wiki for this...
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/AnnouncePlanning046
co-ordination and saturation (of decent material) is the best way IMO to get
the word out...
the new feature screencasts that I did a while back are all CC licensed, so
they can be used...
anyone with any other good ideas?
I know this may be a bit premature, (before the release has started)
:)
Cheers,
ryanlerch
Cool! This is not premature at all...we used to do more, but this is a
great thing to do to capitalize on this and get it spread around...
I'll try to help more as the release gets closer...I have scripts which
handle sending out most of the pr to the outlets, lists, etc...
Jon
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bintz [mailto:jcoswell@...1414...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 11:06 AM
> To: Ryan Lerch
> Cc: 'bulia byak'; 'microUgly'; inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape overcomes Xara in Google Trends
>
> Ryan Lerch wrote:
> > Is it worth fleshing out a PR plan for promotion of the upcoming
> release? It
> > will be a huge release (feature wise) and I reckon people will want to
> know
> > about all our cool new features...
> >
> Depending on the time that the release is going to take place, I can
> help out with this. I'd be willing to help with screenshots, a tutorial
> or two, and with getting the word out to the comics community to check
> out the new release. If a lot of us have blogs, I would love to see a
> big cross-blog promotion of the new features, with one new article a day
> for two or three weeks on all the good stuff, and an index of the
> articles hosted somewhere, but distributed around so we can direct as
> many readers as possible around this mini blog network.
>
> John
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11:37 a.m.
bulia byak wrote:
On 10/8/07, microUgly <drworm@...1743...> wrote:
> Do you know what caused the spike in the middle of 2005? I suspect it was a
> new release but why did it generate so much attention? Releases since then
> didn't generate such significant spikes.
>
That release (perhaps it was 0.42) hit Slashdot. Newer ones didn't, or
were only featured in Slashdot topical forums and not on the front
page. We really must get onto Slashdot front page for 0.46.
Release 0.46 hopefully can be timed to get into the next round of distro
releases, ie the H series of Ubuntu and Fedora 9. My guess is those
cutoffs are around the end of the year but Bryce would know better.
Which working backwards means a testing cycle starting at least a month
or so before which means Nov which is not too far away. Leopard 10.5
should be out within a month or so, so the next release will make that.
Bryce, how hard would it be for a Feisty backport of a current build ?
I'm willing to try to do this but thinking the scripts must be around
somewhere. I think a deb and maybe rpm would be more useful than the
autopackage build. This might make it far easier for some of us to put
it onto some production machines asap where the real testing occurs
(knowing of course there still might be bugs,etc). And this would allow
for some feature changes before testing cut-offs start. Especially
since there are so many new cool features.
2:31 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 08:37:55PM -0600, staff-gmail wrote:
Release 0.46 hopefully can be timed to get into the next round of
distro
releases, ie the H series of Ubuntu and Fedora 9. My guess is those
cutoffs are around the end of the year but Bryce would know better.
Which working backwards means a testing cycle starting at least a month
or so before which means Nov which is not too far away. Leopard 10.5
should be out within a month or so, so the next release will make that.
Early February is the feature freeze for Ubuntu and GNOME. I don't know
about F9, but F7 hit feature freeze in March, so roughly the same
timeframe there.
Bryce, how hard would it be for a Feisty backport of a current build
?
I'm willing to try to do this but thinking the scripts must be around
somewhere.
Simply creating a .deb of a svn snapshot isn't too hard, assuming the
tree builds ok and there haven't been a lot of new deps added; getting a
snapshot version included into the backports channel takes a bit more
coordination/testing work, especially if it's buggier than 0.45.1.
Bryce
7:57 a.m.
That's really interesting. Also interesting when you compare
For example - "inkscape,macromedia fireworks". No contest - inkscape over
twice as popular.
Then with "inkscape,coreldraw" and "inkscape,microsoft publisher"
we're very
close - we could probably win through with an explosive release.
We still have a long way to go with "inkscape,adobe illustrator" or
"inkscape,adobe cs3", but then there's no shame in being outclassed by
Adobe.
----- Original Message -----
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To: "Inkscape List Devel" <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:34 PM
Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape overcomes Xara in Google Trends
http://www.google.com/trends?q=inkscape%2Cxara
Note that "xara" does not always refer to the vector editor, so in
reality it's even better for us.
Now, to support the momentum, we must release a smashing 0.46 soon
enough, and make a lot of noise about it. It really deserves it. (Note
by the way that while we are ahead in user interest, we are nowhere to
be seen on the lower graph which reflects mentions in the news. That's
not fair.)
GSoCers and all others, please let's get to work one more time and fix
all the loose ends in your projects. They need not be perfect but the
most glaring user-visible problems must be ironed out for Inkscape to
reach a releaseable state. You know who you are and what you need to
do :) If you think that your project is already good enough for a
release, please drop a note here, otherwise let us know of your
current state, what remains to do, and when you are planning to
finalize your work.
And, let's make bugfixing a priority right now, even without waiting
for a freeze. We have a scary number of open bugs in the tracker. Yet
we now have so many developers that if each one closes just one bug a
day, we'll make the tracker shrink pretty fast. Note that closing a
bug need not necessarily involve coding; you can just take some old
bug, test it and close as fixed or unreproduceable. Any help from
non-developers is of course very welcome too. Let's all test, report,
comment, add info, code, test again, and close as many bugs as
possible.
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...oh yeah, and I love "inkscape,sodipodi" -
http://www.google.com/trends?q=inkscape%2Csodipodi&ctab=0&geo=all...
and "inkscape,microsoft Expression"
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From: "Joel Holdsworth" <joel@...1709...>
To: "bulia byak" <buliabyak@...400...>; "Inkscape List Devel"
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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:57 PM
Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape overcomes Xara in Google
Trends
That's really interesting. Also interesting when you compare
For example - "inkscape,macromedia fireworks". No contest - inkscape over
twice as popular.
Then with "inkscape,coreldraw" and "inkscape,microsoft publisher"
we're
very
close - we could probably win through with an explosive release.
We still have a long way to go with "inkscape,adobe illustrator" or
"inkscape,adobe cs3", but then there's no shame in being outclassed by
Adobe.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:34 PM
Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape overcomes Xara in Google
Trends
> http://www.google.com/trends?q=inkscape%2Cxara
>
> Note that "xara" does not always refer to the vector editor, so in
> reality it's even better for us.
>
> Now, to support the momentum, we must release a smashing 0.46 soon
> enough, and make a lot of noise about it. It really deserves it. (Note
> by the way that while we are ahead in user interest, we are nowhere to
> be seen on the lower graph which reflects mentions in the news. That's
> not fair.)
>
> GSoCers and all others, please let's get to work one more time and fix
> all the loose ends in your projects. They need not be perfect but the
> most glaring user-visible problems must be ironed out for Inkscape to
> reach a releaseable state. You know who you are and what you need to
> do :) If you think that your project is already good enough for a
> release, please drop a note here, otherwise let us know of your
> current state, what remains to do, and when you are planning to
> finalize your work.
>
> And, let's make bugfixing a priority right now, even without waiting
> for a freeze. We have a scary number of open bugs in the tracker. Yet
> we now have so many developers that if each one closes just one bug a
> day, we'll make the tracker shrink pretty fast. Note that closing a
> bug need not necessarily involve coding; you can just take some old
> bug, test it and close as fixed or unreproduceable. Any help from
> non-developers is of course very welcome too. Let's all test, report,
> comment, add info, code, test again, and close as many bugs as
> possible.
>
> --
> bulia byak
> Inkscape. Draw Freely.
> http://www.inkscape.org
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10:57 a.m.
You should blog this on the CC site...but we shouldn't take, IMO, a
hostile approach towards these projects, but show our community how we
have been working hard and that its paying off...
Hook it up!
Jon
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 00:18 +0100, Joel Holdsworth wrote:
...oh yeah, and I love "inkscape,sodipodi" -
http://www.google.com/trends?q=inkscape%2Csodipodi&ctab=0&geo=all...
and "inkscape,microsoft Expression"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Holdsworth" <joel@...1709...>
To: "bulia byak" <buliabyak@...400...>; "Inkscape List Devel"
<inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:57 PM
Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape overcomes Xara in Google
Trends
> That's really interesting. Also interesting when you compare
>
> For example - "inkscape,macromedia fireworks". No contest - inkscape over
> twice as popular.
>
> Then with "inkscape,coreldraw" and "inkscape,microsoft
publisher" we're
> very
> close - we could probably win through with an explosive release.
>
> We still have a long way to go with "inkscape,adobe illustrator" or
> "inkscape,adobe cs3", but then there's no shame in being outclassed
by
> Adobe.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bulia byak" <buliabyak@...400...>
> To: "Inkscape List Devel" <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:34 PM
> Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape overcomes Xara in Google
> Trends
>
>
>> http://www.google.com/trends?q=inkscape%2Cxara
>>
>> Note that "xara" does not always refer to the vector editor, so in
>> reality it's even better for us.
>>
>> Now, to support the momentum, we must release a smashing 0.46 soon
>> enough, and make a lot of noise about it. It really deserves it. (Note
>> by the way that while we are ahead in user interest, we are nowhere to
>> be seen on the lower graph which reflects mentions in the news. That's
>> not fair.)
>>
>> GSoCers and all others, please let's get to work one more time and fix
>> all the loose ends in your projects. They need not be perfect but the
>> most glaring user-visible problems must be ironed out for Inkscape to
>> reach a releaseable state. You know who you are and what you need to
>> do :) If you think that your project is already good enough for a
>> release, please drop a note here, otherwise let us know of your
>> current state, what remains to do, and when you are planning to
>> finalize your work.
>>
>> And, let's make bugfixing a priority right now, even without waiting
>> for a freeze. We have a scary number of open bugs in the tracker. Yet
>> we now have so many developers that if each one closes just one bug a
>> day, we'll make the tracker shrink pretty fast. Note that closing a
>> bug need not necessarily involve coding; you can just take some old
>> bug, test it and close as fixed or unreproduceable. Any help from
>> non-developers is of course very welcome too. Let's all test, report,
>> comment, add info, code, test again, and close as many bugs as
>> possible.
>>
>> --
>> bulia byak
>> Inkscape. Draw Freely.
>> http://www.inkscape.org
>>
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1:30 p.m.
Joel Holdsworth wrote:
For example - "inkscape,macromedia fireworks". No contest - inkscape over
twice as popular.
I think you need to be a little careful with these numbers. People looking
for Macromedia Fireworks may not actually include "Macromedia" in their
search. You can only really get a fair compirson when you compare just the
product name and both names are unique to that product. So there is no way
to directly compare Inkscape with Fireworks or Expression or Publisher.
It's fortunate that Inkscape is a unique name as it means the trends we see
relate directly to the software. Notice how fireworks spikes once a year :D
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2:58 p.m.
It's fortunate that Inkscape is a unique name as it means the
trends we see
relate directly to the software. Notice how fireworks spikes once a year :D
I ask you to remember, remember the 5th of November, it's my birthday
and I hate when people forget oh and something about a gun powder plot
too.
So no I see it spikes 3 times a year, once at the US July 4th
celebration, a smaller spike for the November 5th Guy Fawkes night and
then a small bump for Christmas.
11:54 p.m.
bulia byak <buliabyak@...360...> writes:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=inkscape%2Cxara
Note that "xara" does not always refer to the vector editor, so in
reality it's even better for us.
This is a testament to the quality of Inkscape and to the quality, spirit and
dedication of the Inkscape development team. You people all deserve medals. Well
done!
12:03 a.m.
bulia byak wrote:
If you think that your project is already good enough for a
release, please drop a note here, otherwise let us know of your
current state, what remains to do, and when you are planning to
finalize your work.
Hey guys, my patch for the font menus needs a bit of cleaning up /
refactoring, and I haven't finished this yet. Since this is only the
first stage of a few, it probably isn't crucial to get it in before
release, but of course I'd like to try to do so seeing as it does
improve the font and style dialog a bit (no dupes etc).
However, the tref stuff should be all ready to go now.... If anyone
finds any show stopping bugs, please file them now! (The other text
editing stuff should be fixed as far as I could see, though if you see
any further problems do let me know.)
When is the deadline to get stuff in for the release? Having some time
in December would be nice.
Gail
12:22 a.m.
On 10/9/07, Gail Carmichael <gbanaszk@...1686...> wrote:
Hey guys, my patch for the font menus needs a bit of cleaning up /
refactoring, and I haven't finished this yet. Since this is only the
first stage of a few, it probably isn't crucial to get it in before
release, but of course I'd like to try to do so seeing as it does
improve the font and style dialog a bit (no dupes etc).
I'd really love to see this patch in 0.46!
When is the deadline to get stuff in for the release? Having some
time
in December would be nice.
Yes, I think we have at least until Dec to tie the development loose ends.
--
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8:04 a.m.
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:34:02 -0400
"bulia byak" <buliabyak@...400...> wrote:
[...]
You know who you are and what you need to do :) If you think that
your project is already good enough for a release, please drop a
note here, otherwise let us know of your current state, what remains
to do, and when you are planning to finalize your work.
Here's an update from me on the dockable dialogs work:
The biggest change I plan to merge before the release is a refactoring
of the dialogs class tree. What it means is that the current dialogs
will become container agnostic panels. It's basically a continuation
of the work JonCruz started with the introduction of the Panel widget
used for the swatches panel, etc. The Dialog class remain as a
container implementing floating and dockable dialog behaviors rather
than the base class for the current "dialogs".
Here's the current version of the refactoring patch:
http://www.csc.kth.se/~broberg/inkscape_dialog_refactoring_2007-10-10.patch
It's functional, but I'm awaiting a review from Jon to make sure we
agree on the design details.
And my updated to do list...
TODO (in no specific order)
---------------------------
* Tackle the problems with dockable dialogs and multiple desktops,
i.e. the Dialog manager redesign.
-- I will attack this after the Dialog refactoring is in place.
* Fix minor problem with switching focus directly to dialog docked in
main window, when a floating dialog have focus. Also give focus to
a dialog that is deiconified.
-- Caused by a canvas focus grab in desktop-widget.cpp:1177. I'm
not sure why it's needed, but I'll look into it.
* Fix all GDL runtime warnings.
* Fix all GDL compile time warnings.
* See if anything can be done about the clashing mnemonic
accelerators, i.e. allow them to be context sensitive for dialogs.
-- After some experimenting I have to conclude that I have no idea
on what to do about this one. :/
* Update the Release notes.
In the works
------------
* Manage the Swatches dialog with the dialog manager, like any other
dialog.
-- Done when the refactoring (see above) is done.
* Allow in-dock dialogs to be expanded even if there's no "slack".
-- It works, but the experience is really sluggish. Code cleanups
needed, not yet committed.
Done since the last update
--------------------------
* Force GtkPaned to pass on F6 and F8 (i.e. those shortcuts can't be
used when the dock is displayed).
* Remove old, obsolete object-properties dialog (a.k.a "Fill &
Stroke"). Add methods for setting a specific tab in the new F&S.
* Make all the functionality provided by dialog-events.cpp work with
the new dialogs.
* Scroll dock to display docked dialogs when requested.
Time to complete: not later than early December with the current set
of features.
--
Gustav
8:31 a.m.
On 10/9/07, Gustav Broberg <broberg@...370...> wrote:
Here's an update from me on the dockable dialogs work:
Great news, thanks! But:
* Force GtkPaned to pass on F6 and F8 (i.e. those shortcuts
can't be
used when the dock is displayed).
in latest svn as of yesterday this does not work still, or is this
fixed in your patch?
As for keyboard accelerators, I'm afraid if this is not fixed we'll
have to just remove them from dialogs :(
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8:52 a.m.
On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:31:56 -0400
"bulia byak" <buliabyak@...400...> wrote:
On 10/9/07, Gustav Broberg <broberg@...370...>
wrote:
> Here's an update from me on the dockable dialogs work:
Great news, thanks! But:
> * Force GtkPaned to pass on F6 and F8 (i.e. those shortcuts can't
> be used when the dock is displayed).
in latest svn as of yesterday this does not work still, or is this
fixed in your patch?
Yes, it was fixed yesterday 23:33, if you're in the right time zone ;)
Committed in r16218, it works for me at least.
As for keyboard accelerators, I'm afraid if this is not fixed
we'll
have to just remove them from dialogs :(
Do you mean all of them or just the clashing ones?
--
Gustav
9:07 a.m.
On 10/9/07, Gustav Broberg <broberg@...370...> wrote:
Yes, it was fixed yesterday 23:33, if you're in the right time
zone ;)
Committed in r16218, it works for me at least.
Thanks!
> As for keyboard accelerators, I'm afraid if this is not
fixed we'll
> have to just remove them from dialogs :(
Do you mean all of them or just the clashing ones?
It's extremely time consuming to determine which ones will be clashing
in all possible combinations of dialogs, and I think we won't have
many left in any case. Different translations make this even more
difficult. So I think it's safer to just remove all.
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12:48 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 01:04:00AM +0200, Gustav Broberg wrote:
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:34:02 -0400
"bulia byak" <buliabyak@...400...> wrote:
> You know who you are and what you need to do :) If you think that
> your project is already good enough for a release, please drop a
> note here, otherwise let us know of your current state, what remains
> to do, and when you are planning to finalize your work.
Here's an update from me on the dockable dialogs work:
Hi Gustav,
The new dockable dialogs are amazing. I was playing with them the other
day and found them incredibly cool. I think this will definitely be one
of the more noticeable features in Inkscape.
Could you update us on where you are with the todos?
We (Kees and I) noticed a small glitch with the filters dialog that it
didn't size vertically correctly. There didn't seem to be a way to size
the pane vertically so we undocked the dialog in order to resize it so
we could see the contents.
Bryce
TODO (in no specific order)
---------------------------
* Tackle the problems with dockable dialogs and multiple desktops,
i.e. the Dialog manager redesign.
-- I will attack this after the Dialog refactoring is in place.
* Fix minor problem with switching focus directly to dialog docked in
main window, when a floating dialog have focus. Also give focus to
a dialog that is deiconified.
-- Caused by a canvas focus grab in desktop-widget.cpp:1177. I'm
not sure why it's needed, but I'll look into it.
* Fix all GDL runtime warnings.
* Fix all GDL compile time warnings.
* See if anything can be done about the clashing mnemonic
accelerators, i.e. allow them to be context sensitive for dialogs.
-- After some experimenting I have to conclude that I have no idea
on what to do about this one. :/
* Update the Release notes.
In the works
------------
* Manage the Swatches dialog with the dialog manager, like any other
dialog.
-- Done when the refactoring (see above) is done.
* Allow in-dock dialogs to be expanded even if there's no "slack".
-- It works, but the experience is really sluggish. Code cleanups
needed, not yet committed.
Done since the last update
--------------------------
* Force GtkPaned to pass on F6 and F8 (i.e. those shortcuts can't be
used when the dock is displayed).
* Remove old, obsolete object-properties dialog (a.k.a "Fill &
Stroke"). Add methods for setting a specific tab in the new F&S.
* Make all the functionality provided by dialog-events.cpp work with
the new dialogs.
* Scroll dock to display docked dialogs when requested.
Time to complete: not later than early December with the current set
of features.
--
Gustav
8:07 a.m.
On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 08:48:11PM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 01:04:00AM +0200, Gustav Broberg wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:34:02 -0400
> "bulia byak" <buliabyak@...400...> wrote:
> > You know who you are and what you need to do :) If you think that
> > your project is already good enough for a release, please drop a
> > note here, otherwise let us know of your current state, what
> > remains to do, and when you are planning to finalize your work.
>
> Here's an update from me on the dockable dialogs work:
Hi Gustav,
The new dockable dialogs are amazing. I was playing with them the
other day and found them incredibly cool. I think this will
definitely be one of the more noticeable features in Inkscape.
Cool, sorry for the reply delay!
Could you update us on where you are with the todos?
See below...
We (Kees and I) noticed a small glitch with the filters dialog that
it
didn't size vertically correctly. There didn't seem to be a way to
size the pane vertically so we undocked the dialog in order to resize
it so we could see the contents.
Did you have anything except the filters dialog in the dock? Do you
know how to reproduce it?
TODO (in no specific order)
---------------------------
* Fix all GDL runtime warnings.
* Fix all GDL compile time warnings.
* Remove mnemonic shortcuts from the dialogs (see previous mails in
thread for the reason).
* Update the Release notes.
* [1826560] Dockable Dialogs painted bad when window is
resized. Win32 only(?)
In the works
------------
* Tackle the problems with dockable dialogs and multiple desktops,
i.e. the Dialog manager redesign. (Will fix #1818293)
* Dialog -> Panel rewrite (see previous mail)
-- Jon has reviewed my proposed patch and concluded that some minor
changes should be done before it goes in. I plan to have this
committed before then end of this week.
Done since the last update
--------------------------
* Allow in-dock dialogs to be expanded even if there's no "slack".
* Fix minor problem with switching focus directly to dialog docked in
main window, when a floating dialog have focus. Also give focus to
a dialog that is deiconified.
I'll focus on landing the rewrite/refactoring changes (i.e. the "In
the works" items) in time for the "Chill" period. The items in the TODO
section require either straight forward changes, or bug fixes which
I doubt could cause any major regression...
--
Gustav
5:56 a.m.
bulia byak schrieb:
You know who you are and what you need to do :)
If you think that your project is already good enough for a
release, please drop a note here, otherwise let us know of your
current state, what remains to do, and when you are planning to
finalize your work.
OK, here is my update. Although the SVN repository hasn't seen any 3D
box related change form my part for a while, this doesn't mean that
development is stagnating. On the contrary, I'm currently overhauling
the tool quite significantly under the hood. In the end, the regular
user will be oblivious of most of these changes, but they are necessary
to eliminate a couple of remaining bad bugs (not bed bugs :)) and to
make the tool overall more stable, robust and extensible. The good news
is that they will hopefully be generic enough to bring a lot more within
reach than "only" 3D boxes.
Unfortunately, due to my final examinations my time is severely limited
in the next couple of months. Still, I'm confident that December (which
Bulia mentioned as a tentative closing deadline) is more than realistic
to complete these changes. I'm hoping to do it much earlier but have
learned to be careful in making predictions.
After this, I'd like to further improve usability by making perspective
lines draggable, populating the toolbar a bit more, etc. This may well
make it into the next release, too (and should, IMO).
A long-term goal (after all, there must be anything left to do after
v0.46 :) ) is the support for more general 3D related functionality.
Many proposals have been made on this list over time, and we'll have to
see what is realizable. In any case, the current refactoring is supposed
to provide the foundation for this, too.
Best regards,
Max
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