moderators need ability to curate the description in gallery
Hi Friends, Reference the 3 images uploaded by this member: https://inkscape.org/~yendrifernando/
The images appear to be made with Inkscape, but in my opinion, the links in the description are spam. As a moderator, I would like to be able to edit the description (via Curate) and remove only the "www.". In that way, the description still tributes the inspiration for the images to that website (as the member appears to intend), without having an active link to the website. Breaking the link removes the spam.
Martin and I have had an extended private discussion about this. But he disagrees with giving moderators the ability to edit the description. He says that we need to have a community discussion about it.
I'll have to be honest and say that I don't understand his position, or even really know exactly what his position is. Even if I did, I wouldn't try to represent it. So he'll have to do that. Our discussion ranged far and wide over moderation subjects, but none of his arguments really hit home to me, as a good reason not to allow moderators to edit (curate) the description. So it seems we've hit a stalemate.
I'll be honest again and say that I'm not sure if the purpose of this discussion is to repeat our discussion publicly, or just to get opinions on curating the description. Because a lot of his concerns seemed to be about potentially overly aggressive moderation. Or maybe it's both? But I think I'm a fair moderator and can train fair moderators, so I'm ready either way :-)
Martin, I hope this is a fair introduction of the issue?
All best, brynn
Hey Brynn,
Given that Martin hadn't responded that I could see, I'm going based on the information that you provided.
I do not believe that moderators should have the ability to modify the content of a user's gallery post or their description. However, given your stated concern and rationale, the ability to disable hyperlinks needs to be a way to balance that as a reasonable form of moderation. IMHO, there should be a moderation flag to disable hyperlinks in all text URLs in the description via 1-click (force the entire description into plaintext if need be). It may seem overbearing to disable all hyperlinks in a description if one is spam, but realistically, if we have clear guidelines on what is considered spam, it shouldn't be a problem... plus a plaintext copy of the URLs will still be right there, so what they posted is unadulterated, just no magic hyperlink is created server-side.
Does that seem like it could be a reasonable solution? If anything, it seems like it might make it quicker/easier to moderate with a single-click rather than having to edit content. I'd be interested in people's thoughts.
Cheers, Josh
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:28 AM brynn brynn@frii.com wrote:
Hi Friends, Reference the 3 images uploaded by this member: https://inkscape.org/~yendrifernando/
The images appear to be made with Inkscape, but in my opinion, the
links in the description are spam. As a moderator, I would like to be able to edit the description (via Curate) and remove only the "www.". In that way, the description still tributes the inspiration for the images to that website (as the member appears to intend), without having an active link to the website. Breaking the link removes the spam.
Martin and I have had an extended private discussion about this.
But he disagrees with giving moderators the ability to edit the description. He says that we need to have a community discussion about it.
I'll have to be honest and say that I don't understand his
position, or even really know exactly what his position is. Even if I did, I wouldn't try to represent it. So he'll have to do that. Our discussion ranged far and wide over moderation subjects, but none of his arguments really hit home to me, as a good reason not to allow moderators to edit (curate) the description. So it seems we've hit a stalemate.
I'll be honest again and say that I'm not sure if the purpose of
this discussion is to repeat our discussion publicly, or just to get opinions on curating the description. Because a lot of his concerns seemed to be about potentially overly aggressive moderation. Or maybe it's both? But I think I'm a fair moderator and can train fair moderators, so I'm ready either way :-)
Martin, I hope this is a fair introduction of the issue?
All best, brynn
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Thanks, Josh.
Sure, that seems like a good solution to me.
There already is an option to make an external link, which CAN be curated by moderators. So just blocking active links in the description would be perfect.
Thanks again, brynn
On 7/12/2019 1:28 PM, Josh Andler wrote:
Hey Brynn,
Given that Martin hadn't responded that I could see, I'm going based on the information that you provided.
I do not believe that moderators should have the ability to modify the content of a user's gallery post or their description. However, given your stated concern and rationale, the ability to disable hyperlinks needs to be a way to balance that as a reasonable form of moderation. IMHO, there should be a moderation flag to disable hyperlinks in all text URLs in the description via 1-click (force the entire description into plaintext if need be). It may seem overbearing to disable all hyperlinks in a description if one is spam, but realistically, if we have clear guidelines on what is considered spam, it shouldn't be a problem... plus a plaintext copy of the URLs will still be right there, so what they posted is unadulterated, just no magic hyperlink is created server-side.
Does that seem like it could be a reasonable solution? If anything, it seems like it might make it quicker/easier to moderate with a single-click rather than having to edit content. I'd be interested in people's thoughts.
Cheers, Josh
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:28 AM brynn <brynn@frii.com mailto:brynn@frii.com> wrote:
Hi Friends, Reference the 3 images uploaded by this member: https://inkscape.org/~yendrifernando/ The images appear to be made with Inkscape, but in my opinion, the links in the description are spam. As a moderator, I would like to be able to edit the description (via Curate) and remove only the "www.". In that way, the description still tributes the inspiration for the images to that website (as the member appears to intend), without having an active link to the website. Breaking the link removes the spam. Martin and I have had an extended private discussion about this. But he disagrees with giving moderators the ability to edit the description. He says that we need to have a community discussion about it. I'll have to be honest and say that I don't understand his position, or even really know exactly what his position is. Even if I did, I wouldn't try to represent it. So he'll have to do that. Our discussion ranged far and wide over moderation subjects, but none of his arguments really hit home to me, as a good reason not to allow moderators to edit (curate) the description. So it seems we've hit a stalemate. I'll be honest again and say that I'm not sure if the purpose of this discussion is to repeat our discussion publicly, or just to get opinions on curating the description. Because a lot of his concerns seemed to be about potentially overly aggressive moderation. Or maybe it's both? But I think I'm a fair moderator and can train fair moderators, so I'm ready either way :-) Martin, I hope this is a fair introduction of the issue? All best, brynn _______________________________________________ Inkscape Devel mailing list -- inkscape-devel@lists.inkscape.org <mailto:inkscape-devel@lists.inkscape.org> To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-devel-leave@lists.inkscape.org <mailto:inkscape-devel-leave@lists.inkscape.org>
Martin,
Including your email in case you haven't followed this thread. What are your thoughts on this?
Cheers, Josh
On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 10:42 PM brynn brynn@frii.com wrote:
Thanks, Josh.
Sure, that seems like a good solution to me.
There already is an option to make an external link, which CAN be curated by moderators. So just blocking active links in the description would be perfect.
Thanks again, brynn
On 7/12/2019 1:28 PM, Josh Andler wrote:
Hey Brynn,
Given that Martin hadn't responded that I could see, I'm going based on the information that you provided.
I do not believe that moderators should have the ability to modify the content of a user's gallery post or their description. However, given your stated concern and rationale, the ability to disable hyperlinks needs to be a way to balance that as a reasonable form of moderation. IMHO, there should be a moderation flag to disable hyperlinks in all text URLs in the description via 1-click (force the entire description into plaintext if need be). It may seem overbearing to disable all hyperlinks in a description if one is spam, but realistically, if we have clear guidelines on what is considered spam, it shouldn't be a problem... plus a plaintext copy of the URLs will still be right there, so what they posted is unadulterated, just no magic hyperlink is created server-side.
Does that seem like it could be a reasonable solution? If anything, it seems like it might make it quicker/easier to moderate with a single-click rather than having to edit content. I'd be interested in people's thoughts.
Cheers, Josh
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:28 AM brynn <brynn@frii.com mailto:brynn@frii.com> wrote:
Hi Friends, Reference the 3 images uploaded by this member: https://inkscape.org/~yendrifernando/ The images appear to be made with Inkscape, but in my opinion, the links in the description are spam. As a moderator, I would like to be able to edit the description (via Curate) and remove only the "www.". In that way, the description still tributes the inspiration for the images to that website (as the member appears to intend), without having an active link to the website. Breaking the link removes the spam. Martin and I have had an extended private discussion about this. But he disagrees with giving moderators the ability to edit the description. He says that we need to have a community discussion about it. I'll have to be honest and say that I don't understand his position, or even really know exactly what his position is. Even if I did, I wouldn't try to represent it. So he'll have to do that. Our discussion ranged far and wide over moderation subjects, but none of his arguments really hit home to me, as a good reason not to allow moderators to edit (curate) the description. So it seems we've hit a stalemate. I'll be honest again and say that I'm not sure if the purpose of this discussion is to repeat our discussion publicly, or just to get opinions on curating the description. Because a lot of his concerns seemed to be about potentially overly aggressive moderation. Or maybe it's both? But I think I'm a fair moderator and can train fair moderators, so I'm ready either way :-) Martin, I hope this is a fair introduction of the issue? All best, brynn _______________________________________________ Inkscape Devel mailing list -- inkscape-devel@lists.inkscape.org <mailto:inkscape-devel@lists.inkscape.org> To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-devel-leave@lists.inkscape.org <mailto:inkscape-devel-leave@lists.inkscape.org>
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