Hi Guys,
Testing this recent build. Inkscape 0.48+devel r11870
So far:
New stuff: - Love the Symbol manager. It will greatly inprove productivity. I wish that a similar thing could be done with first level grouped objects and using the same CTRL+select for objects within that. Ehm,.. a small note saying Use CTRL+C to copy might help though, as I tried clicking and dragging first. BTW. If it would follow the rule of always paste in place, it would be a great help in templating designs.
- The new text edit docker is great! Would have liked to see a list of fonts used in the document though, so you can more easily select from the fonts already chosen, find out missing fonts etc.. Could that be added to a third tab?
Old stuff: - It's the old clip an object and get to select the object rather than the clipped area bug. So my clip displays the size of the clipped object rather than the clipping area. Now really...that is something that needs fixing.
BTW,.. using the create copy of clipping object to create area rather than the default. Releasing the clip doesn't recreate a copy of the clipping object on the screen, clippath is left in defs. So I guess the function has to be extended with a function to copy that node back to the correct z-order of the objects.
Question: - Does Inkscape already support SVG font display (Tiny, not Full)? I know Mozilla doesn't support it and probably never will, but I really would love to use them regardless. I have several use cases in mind that are uniquely possible using SVG fonts and don't care if users will have to use "Modern" browsers like ahem.. the rest. Now we can create Glyphs, but I am not sure if it is possible to display them yet.
I'll do more testing during the next few weeks, if there's anything you'd like me to pay attention to, please tell as there are a lot of things, new and old.
On the Units discussion:
The idea is simple Inkscape uses px as units. In the config we can set the amount of pixels per unit, so we end up with 90dpi (standard screenres in 2000) or just set it to 10px per mm or whatever. That way poor buggers like me that design in mm for print and need to get this used on screen won't have to use a calculator to convert the x,y locations with a 6 decimal precision and make these horrid choices on how to handle the half a pixel sizes. Using 3.50xxxx etc. really does my head in at times. Nowhere in the SVG specs does it implicitly say how many PPI to use, it's arbitrary. However, as it was concieved to be used as a screen format, it became pixels per Inch to follow the industry standard. The latter we can blame on Silicon Valley being the place where the early stages of IT were conducted rather than Bletchly Park or Paris.
The whole zoom factor is not the issue. It's having a SVG document that has been converted from mm to Inches and then PPI. If I have a 85x55mm businesscard, I'd love to be able to read that in the SVG file as 850x550 px rather than 309.2xxxxx x 190.1xxxxx. That way I can more easily create guidelines and additional objects on screen in my web application without having to calculate every friggin measurement and ending up with those quirky estimations. Maybe Inkscape development isn't always a bliss, but I think with little effort Development using Inkscape can be made a bliss. Adding a setting for Pixels per Unit will greatly improve my sense of bliss at least.
For others it may also be a handy way to solve their problems they encounter with scaling if there was an additional recalculator function added to this scaling. That would be a nice extension maybe. "Change/Convert pixels per unit"... Oh joy! I could reset tonnes of hardly usable SVG code with that..!
Well,.. Cheers
Jelle
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 15:21 +0800, Jelle wrote:
Hi Guys,
Testing this recent build. Inkscape 0.48+devel r11870
Thanks for testing.
So far:
New stuff:
- Love the Symbol manager. It will greatly inprove productivity. I wish
that a similar thing could be done with first level grouped objects and using the same CTRL+select for objects within that. Ehm,.. a small note saying Use CTRL+C to copy might help though, as I tried clicking and dragging first. BTW. If it would follow the rule of always paste in place, it would be a great help in templating designs.
Glad you love it! It would be possible to do with first level grouped objects but I think it might be better to use tagged groups, i.e.:
<g -inkscape-role="symbol">...</g>
or
<g role="inkscape:symbol">...</g>
It would be more natural for the dialog to work with dragging. Perhaps somebody will step up and do it but I don't have time at the moment. As I understand it, all drop and drag is done by writing to an external file and the reading it back in. This should be changed, perhaps a GSOC project?
- The new text edit docker is great! Would have liked to see a list of
fonts used in the document though, so you can more easily select from the fonts already chosen, find out missing fonts etc.. Could that be added to a third tab?
Might be better to add at the top of the font drop-down list with missing fonts grayed out.
Question:
- Does Inkscape already support SVG font display (Tiny, not Full)? I know
Mozilla doesn't support it and probably never will, but I really would love to use them regardless. I have several use cases in mind that are uniquely possible using SVG fonts and don't care if users will have to use "Modern" browsers like ahem.. the rest. Now we can create Glyphs, but I am not sure if it is possible to display them yet.
Not yet. IE also will not implement SVG fonts (since Mozilla won't).
Tav
On 15/11/2012 08:21, Jelle wrote:
Old stuff:
- It's the old clip an object and get to select the object rather than the
clipped area bug. So my clip displays the size of the clipped object rather than the clipping area. Now really...that is something that needs fixing.
Very likely you are experiencing this regression: - Bug #1005085 https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1005085 “Clipping path not set clipped object to its new size immediately.”
The regression (AFAIU due to cached bbox values) is a temporary issue and not the same as the old - Bug #365458 https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/365458 “clip object selection glitch”
To the best of my knowledge, that old bug you are hinting at is not back (i.e. remains fixed in current trunk).
V
On 14-Nov-2012 23:21, Jelle wrote:
Would have liked to see a list of fonts used in the document though, so you can more easily select from the fonts already chosen, find out missing fonts etc..
I second that and extend the idea slightly.
I have seen imported files (from EMF, but it could be from any source) where one word or one letter is in some obscure font, including especially Asian fonts not present on my system. The most common problem is documents that use "Times" (a screen font) where "Times New Roman" should be. It is easier at present to find these using a text editor on the SVG source than it is to find them through the GUI. It might be possible to do this with "Find and Replace" but so far I have never had any success using that tool to locate all text in "Times" (for instance). If the "Text + Font" panel had the suggested third panel (for fonts present in the document) one could select an undesired font (Arial Big5, Times, or whatever) and (hopefully) check a "select all" box to select all of the affected text. From that point it would be relatively straightforward to fix the problem.
Regards,
David Mathog mathog@...1176... Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech
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- Great tool! It will make editing a lot faster, maybe adding a dropdown list for XML attributes and Style attributes would turn it into a real powertool. Or even better.. a find and replace! That way one could more easily do a find and replace of font family or delete all styles to clean the SVG document for use with CSS ;-)
Add some class to a certain type of object would beinteresting as well.
- The Measurement tool is a great idea, but I wonder if it wouldn't be cool to be able to create a measured line with it. It would require some checkbutton in the context menu and maybe press "space" to generate the SVG objects. I take it that they are SVG objects anyway that get drawn? It would be a great replacement for the extension. Or maybe it is possible to port all those visualise path functions to this tool?
- The sliders For color do not move very smoothly when you want to put the value to 100% opacity using the left mouse button, curiously using the right button works fine. Once I click it I'd like to be editing the whole number straight away. Maybe the behaviour might be changed a bit. Left click, edit value by typing new value, right click drag slider. Or vice versa.
- Speed of refresh Much improved! Kudo's to all! I can now draw several blurred objects with opacity, layer them and effectively move them while zoomed in on them in normal mode.
- Erase tool Amazing! I guess it now works as intended, erazing on selected object or every object in stack rather than the behaviour previously. If this could be combined with the calligraphic tool to make it into an etching type of tool, it would be far advanced of anything I've seen.
- Gradient fill/stroke When I dragged my stroke handles and it touched the fill handle centre, the fill centre moved.
- Drop Shadow Hah! You beat me to it! It was one of the topics on my wish list.. coloured dropshadows! Joy! The sliders are a bit unpractical though. Maybe a compass type/joystick button would be better for the offset.
- Filters textures Whoops.. filter applied to almost the whole page rather than the selected object, when I drew another object and applied it to it, effect was correct. Maybe it had to do with the size of my first selected object but still.
Okay,.. for sofar my latest remarks on the testing. Great job and other things will take more time to find out I guess.
Cheers!
Jelle
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:45:25 +0800, Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@...8...> wrote:
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 15:21 +0800, Jelle wrote:
Hi Guys,
Testing this recent build. Inkscape 0.48+devel r11870
Thanks for testing.
So far:
New stuff:
- Love the Symbol manager. It will greatly inprove productivity. I wish
that a similar thing could be done with first level grouped objects and using the same CTRL+select for objects within that. Ehm,.. a small note saying Use CTRL+C to copy might help though, as I tried clicking and dragging first. BTW. If it would follow the rule of always paste in place, it would be a great help in templating designs.
Glad you love it! It would be possible to do with first level grouped objects but I think it might be better to use tagged groups, i.e.:
<g -inkscape-role="symbol">...</g>
or
<g role="inkscape:symbol">...</g>
Yes,.. but what if the file was not created in Inkscape. Hate to say it, but there are other ways to create SVG files ;-) If possible I would rather see a departure of the larding inside the SVG document with Inkscape tags.
It would be more natural for the dialog to work with dragging. Perhaps somebody will step up and do it but I don't have time at the moment. As I understand it, all drop and drag is done by writing to an external file and the reading it back in. This should be changed, perhaps a GSOC project?
- The new text edit docker is great! Would have liked to see a list of
fonts used in the document though, so you can more easily select from the fonts already chosen, find out missing fonts etc.. Could that be added to a third tab?
Might be better to add at the top of the font drop-down list with missing fonts grayed out.
What if you have a type soup design with 20 types? Rare and often disencouraged, but possible. Selecting the 21st one would be a bit problematic. Using a 3rd tab on the text editor would allow for displaying some details on the type like width for standard word in px or units in the current kerning setting. That can be quite handy for a typographer making a decision.
Question:
- Does Inkscape already support SVG font display (Tiny, not Full)? I
know Mozilla doesn't support it and probably never will, but I really would love to use them regardless. I have several use cases in mind that are uniquely possible using SVG fonts and don't care if users will have to use "Modern" browsers like ahem.. the rest. Now we can create Glyphs, but I am not sure if it is possible to display them yet.
Not yet. IE also will not implement SVG fonts (since Mozilla won't).
Rats! IE is becoming a modern browser again as well... lol. Would be heartbreaking if MS would have a greater support of SVG than Firefox though.. haha.
Tav
And Suv,
Not quite sure whether it is regression or a new bug with the clipping. The behaviours seem similar and not what we'd like to see.
Cheers,
Jelle
It would be more natural for the dialog to work with dragging.
There is a patch for drag and drop onto the canvas here. Reusing the existing clipboard code. Testing always appreciated ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1079971
Thanks John,
But it has been maybe an odd 9 years since I compiled anything, so if it makes its way into a build, please keep me informed. I wouldn't even know how to make a makefile anymore. UI, UX, graphics design and a wee bit of scripting (well,.. more hacking that is) is more my thing. I think I could do some work in Python, but I certainly do not consider myself a programmer. There are only so many hours a person can use per day and so many pursuits to follow..Sadly so, as I have so many interests ;-)
Cheers,
Jelle
On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:34:12 +0800, John Smith <john.smith7545@...36...> wrote:
It would be more natural for the dialog to work with dragging.
There is a patch for drag and drop onto the canvas here. Reusing the existing clipboard code. Testing always appreciated ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1079971
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