Since not everyone was seeing problems with the external icon loading, I grabbed a few screenshots to add to the wiki to illustrate them.
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Icons#Issues
I do have a handle on fixing those, but if others see different issues please feel free to add at least a text description of the problem.
Thanks.
here's a snapshot of the Windows help menu
http://www.nabble.com/file/p23557319/Win32_21345.PNG Win32_21345.PNG
On a later build the problem of the switched mirror buttons was solved -- btw, arrow buttons are better than the old triangles separated by a dot line. they are intuitive ..by default -> arrows means directions.
Also rotate with 90 degrees buttons which are arrows too now - are the best options here -> they're so explicit much more than 2 triangles with 90 degrees in between.
Button for creating spirals on toolbar are also a bad choice ( in the 15 May build ) it's hard to read it's icon and message for a newcomer to Inkscape.
Buttons for node operations are also very unintuitive - old blue buttons was better from an usability point of view - they had a better readability.
Regarding the fight between Fancy AND Usable ...Usable should win. Ever.
2009/5/15 Alvin Penner <penner@...1856...>:
here's a snapshot of the Windows help menu
http://www.nabble.com/file/p23557319/Win32_21345.PNG Win32_21345.PNG
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SorinN wrote:
On a later build the problem of the switched mirror buttons was solved -- btw, arrow buttons are better than the old triangles separated by a dot line. they are intuitive ..by default -> arrows means directions.
I disagree, a double-headed arrow means stretch to me not flip. The triangles looked like reflections, which was much more intuitive to me.
Also rotate with 90 degrees buttons which are arrows too now - are the best options here -> they're so explicit much more than 2 triangles with 90 degrees in between.
Button for creating spirals on toolbar are also a bad choice ( in the 15 May build ) it's hard to read it's icon and message for a newcomer to Inkscape.
Buttons for node operations are also very unintuitive - old blue buttons was better from an usability point of view - they had a better readability.
Regarding the fight between Fancy AND Usable ...Usable should win. Ever.
2009/5/15 Alvin Penner <penner@...1856...>:
here's a snapshot of the Windows help menu
http://www.nabble.com/file/p23557319/Win32_21345.PNG Win32_21345.PNG
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On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 18:06 +0100, Thomas Ibbotson wrote:
SorinN wrote:
On a later build the problem of the switched mirror buttons was
solved
-- btw, arrow buttons are better than the old triangles separated by
a
dot line. they are intuitive ..by default -> arrows means
directions.
I disagree, a double-headed arrow means stretch to me not flip. The triangles looked like reflections, which was much more intuitive to me.
Whilst I did get used to the arrows, I think Thomas is right - the arrows could mean move rather than flip. The reflected triangles was a better representation.
Also rotate with 90 degrees buttons which are arrows too now - are
the
best options here -> they're so explicit much more than 2 triangles with 90 degrees in between.
Button for creating spirals on toolbar are also a bad choice ( in
the
15 May build ) it's hard to read it's icon and message for a
newcomer
to Inkscape.
Yeah it's too faint. The new toolbar are icons are pretty - but I don't think they add to usability. Possibly the tweak tool is better represented by the finger than the strange wavey tool - but then, it doesn't work quite the same as the finger in GIMP... which is what I would expect - but I guess the functionality is 'similar'. Undecided.
Buttons for node operations are also very unintuitive - old blue buttons was better from an usability point of view - they had a
better
readability.
This is the worst aspect of the new icons in my view. To my eyes it's almost impossible to tell the difference between the symmetric and auto-smooth icons. The visual difference is that the node is round or diamond, but the handles are identical. The icons are small and not very crisp. See attached screen grab...
The pre-set zooms of selection, drawing and page are also hard to distinguish. The identifying icons inside the magnifying glass are so small I actually need to look twice to make sure I'm choosing the right one.
Sorry team - I don't think the icon switch is progress for usability and discoverability. I've filed a bug.
New Icons SUCK!! https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/379641
Nemes Ioan Sorin wrote:
On a later build the problem of the switched mirror buttons was solved -- btw, arrow buttons are better than the old triangles separated by a dot line. they are intuitive ..by default -> arrows means directions.
Also rotate with 90 degrees buttons which are arrows too now - are the best options here -> they're so explicit much more than 2 triangles with 90 degrees in between.
Button for creating spirals on toolbar are also a bad choice ( in the 15 May build ) it's hard to read it's icon and message for a newcomer to Inkscape.
Buttons for node operations are also very unintuitive - old blue buttons was better from an usability point of view - they had a better readability.
Regarding the fight between Fancy AND Usable ...Usable should win. Ever.
Thanks for the comments, they'll help me a great deal. I hope to have all Tango-related issues resolved at the end of the weekend. I was slightly out of circuit for the past few days because of a lot of piled up things at school. If there are any unresolved things, I or someone else can revert back to hicolor (it's a matter of changing the SUBDIRS directive in share/icons/Makefile.am, and doing s/tango/hicolor/ on configure.ac).
Now when it comes to the issues outlined on the wiki: 1. Application Overriding System: actually the icons.svg case seems wrong to me. The arrow icons don't look like being pulled from the high-contrast theme. 2. The two other issues: a signal handler for the style-set signal is missing, should be simple to add.
Regards, Krzysztof Kosiński
Correction: SPIcon actually has a handler for style-set, and at first glance it should work (e.g. icons should be updated when the theme changes), but for some reason it doesn't...
Regards, Krzysztof Kosiński
On May 20, 2009, at 4:26 PM, Krzysztof Kosiński wrote:
Now when it comes to the issues outlined on the wiki:
- Application Overriding System: actually the icons.svg case seems
wrong to me. The arrow icons don't look like being pulled from the high- contrast theme.
Yes... they are not being pulled from the high-contrast... but they are also not being pulled from inkscape.
What you are seeing is that the high-contrast theme does not have those specific icons. Inkscape has its own "triangles with arrows and lines" icons registered as defaults... but those are not showing up like in the first case.
What is happening instead is that the high-contrast theme is the user's current default, but is missing those specific icons. GTK+ then goes through the fallback chain and discovers versions hiding in the system default "hicolor" theme (the large orange arrows).
So the icons brought in by Inkscape itself should be the last choice, and only appear when all else fails.
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Alvin Penner -
Donna Benjamin -
Jon A. Cruz -
Krzysztof Kosiński -
SorinN -
Thomas Ibbotson