windows build anyone?
Can anyone please compile the latest CVS for Windows so the latest additions could be tested there? I have Windows but no Windows development tools.
I am also hanging out for a windows build. After lurking while all these development messages go by I was thrilled to see a win version slated for version 0.36. Fingers crossed that it makes it.
I will be very happy to test it, but my skills as a programmer are "0". I can compare features with Coreldraw, XaraX and Mayura and a couple of other vector drawing programs.
As an addition I have not seen patterns mentioned. Is anyone working on these? I do a lot of cartography and black and white patterns are pretty essential for these. Hachure lines, dot densities et cetera. This is definitely an area in which svg can shine but few programs implement it.
Any comments? Vellum
----- Original Message ----- From: "bulia byak" <bulia@...23...> To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 7:12 PM Subject: [Inkscape-devel] windows build anyone?
Can anyone please compile the latest CVS for Windows so the latest
additions could be tested there? I have Windows but no Windows development tools.
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vellum wrote:
As an addition I have not seen patterns mentioned. Is anyone working on these? I do a lot of cartography and black and white patterns are pretty essential for these. Hachure lines, dot densities et cetera. This is definitely an area in which svg can shine but few programs implement it.
Interesting. I've looked at the SVG spec for patterns, it seems reasonably do-able. Perhaps you could start working on a collection of public domain patterns so that we have something to work with when we implement it?
njh
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Hurst" <Nathan.Hurst@...38...> To: "vellum" <vellum@...68...> Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] windows build anyone?
vellum wrote:
As an addition I have not seen patterns mentioned. Is anyone working on these? I do a lot of cartography and black and white patterns are pretty essential for these. Hachure lines, dot densities et cetera. This is definitely an area in which svg can shine but few programs implement it.
Interesting. I've looked at the SVG spec for patterns, it seems reasonably do-able. Perhaps you could start working on a collection of public domain patterns so that we have something to work with when we implement it?
njh
Nathan and others, I've been looking at patterns and there is a fair bit in the net on SVG implementation of patterns. I'm collecting this and trying to use my almost non-existant knowledge of svg to get some simple ones to work.
However, I have not been able to find many vector programs which use vector patterns. Mayura Draw is an exception and it also outputs svg. The attached file shows Mayuras pattern outputs. Note, the last object has been resized and the vector pattern remains the same scale.
Corel Draw uses vector fills but does not seem to output svg files usable by Inkscape.
cheers, vellum
vellum wrote:
Nathan and others, I've been looking at patterns and there is a fair bit in the net on SVG implementation of patterns. I'm collecting this and trying to use my almost non-existant knowledge of svg to get some simple ones to work.
However, I have not been able to find many vector programs which use vector patterns. Mayura Draw is an exception and it also outputs svg. The attached file shows Mayuras pattern outputs. Note, the last object has been resized and the vector pattern remains the same scale.
Corel Draw uses vector fills but does not seem to output svg files usable by Inkscape.
cheers, vellum
These look suspiciously like the classic Quickdraw 8x8 type patterns - you sure that they scale? Particularly the wavey one :)
njh
Nathan wrote:
These look suspiciously like the classic Quickdraw 8x8 type patterns - you sure that they scale? Particularly the wavey one :)
njh
Nathan, Maybe a sloppy description in my post. I scaled one of the drawings but the fill pattern did not change size.
I have attached another couple of pictures showing the effect particularly with the wave fill. The first pic shows the original small object then with two enlarged versions. The second pic shows parts of the first two objects under zoom.
Hope this is clearer.
I know nothing about Quickdraw. I think it was MAC and Win people dont talk MAC as a rule. ;-)
vellum
vellum wrote:
Nathan wrote:
These look suspiciously like the classic Quickdraw 8x8 type patterns - you sure that they scale? Particularly the wavey one :)
njh
Nathan, Maybe a sloppy description in my post. I scaled one of the drawings but the fill pattern did not change size.
I have attached another couple of pictures showing the effect particularly with the wave fill. The first pic shows the original small object then with two enlarged versions. The second pic shows parts of the first two objects under zoom.
Yep, this is just a classic Quickdraw style pattern.
Hope this is clearer.
I know nothing about Quickdraw. I think it was MAC and Win people dont talk MAC as a rule. ;-)
Those who don't know the lessons of history are destined to repeat them...
njh
Nathan wrote:
These look suspiciously like the classic Quickdraw 8x8 type patterns - you sure that they scale? Particularly the wavey one :) njh
Nathan, Maybe a sloppy description in my post. I scaled one of the drawings but
the
fill pattern did not change size.
I have attached another couple of pictures showing the effect
particularly
with the wave fill. The first pic shows the original small object then
with
two enlarged versions. The second pic shows parts of the first two
objects
under zoom.
Yep, this is just a classic Quickdraw style pattern.
Is this good or bad? Why? I do not understand your last sentence. Would you expect SVG patterns to stay the same size or scale with the object? What about an option for either way when we get to it?
What do the WebDraw patterns do?. .
vellum
On Sat, 2004-01-03 at 09:45, vellum wrote:
Is this good or bad? Why? I do not understand your last sentence. Would you expect SVG patterns to stay the same size or scale with the object? What about an option for either way when we get to it?
Well, the patterns Nathan is referring to are a set of tiled 8x8 monochrome bitmaps that I've seen reused in ... well, all over the place.
While you could could create these patterns in standard SVG, they would still scale (blockily) with zooming.
I suspect if you export these Mayura documents as SVG and look at them in a standard SVG UA (e.g. Batik), these patterns will either not show up, or they will scale when zoomed.
-mental
vellum wrote:
Nathan wrote:
These look suspiciously like the classic Quickdraw 8x8 type patterns - you sure that they scale? Particularly the wavey one :) njh
Nathan, Maybe a sloppy description in my post. I scaled one of the drawings but
the
fill pattern did not change size.
I have attached another couple of pictures showing the effect
particularly
with the wave fill. The first pic shows the original small object then
with
two enlarged versions. The second pic shows parts of the first two
objects
under zoom.
Yep, this is just a classic Quickdraw style pattern.
Is this good or bad? Why? I do not understand your last sentence.
It's just not SVG. It's a very simple form of pattern that is particularly easy to render: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Carbon/Reference/QuickDraw_Manager/...
Would you expect SVG patterns to stay the same size or scale with the object?
An SVG pattern will transform with the object in question.
What about an option for either way when we get to it?
This is the same as the issue with the stroke thickness scaling with object scale. The solution will most likely be the same.
What do the WebDraw patterns do?. .
they do not scale with the object, indeed they probably always drawn at the same orientation too.
njh
For Interest.
Attached is a pattern svg which shows interesting behaviour. It opens in Inkscape to yield a circle filled with small red circles and a square filled with small blue squares. The two objects behave differently.
With change in object size.
a. The red circles scale up and down within the bounding circle, whether it stays a circle or goes to an ellipse and stay at the new scale size when released. This pattern is scaling.
b. The blue squares scale up and down within the square but revert to small squares when released. This pattern is not scaling.
For most purpose I think it would be desirable for the fill pattern to scale. However, there may be occasions when non-scaling patterns are wanted or a mixture of both in the same drawing. hence my suggestion of a preference switch to allow choice here. What do others think.
When the objects are converted to paths both fills operate as non-scaling fills. Nodes can be moved as usual but if the object size is changed the fills now revert to their original size each time.
vellum
vellum wrote:
For Interest.
Attached is a pattern svg which shows interesting behaviour. It opens in Inkscape to yield a circle filled with small red circles and a square filled with small blue squares. The two objects behave differently.
With change in object size.
a. The red circles scale up and down within the bounding circle, whether it stays a circle or goes to an ellipse and stay at the new scale size when released. This pattern is scaling.
b. The blue squares scale up and down within the square but revert to small squares when released. This pattern is not scaling.
Yep.
For most purpose I think it would be desirable for the fill pattern to scale. However, there may be occasions when non-scaling patterns are wanted or a mixture of both in the same drawing. hence my suggestion of a preference switch to allow choice here. What do others think.
I think both are defines in svg.
When the objects are converted to paths both fills operate as non-scaling fills. Nodes can be moved as usual but if the object size is changed the fills now revert to their original size each time.
This is a bug! can you submit this to the bug tracker. (There are actually two bugs here - firstly the non-updating behaviour when scaling the rect before releaseing, and secondly the difference in between the two. Feel free to submit two separate bug reports)
njh
On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, vellum wrote:
Nathan wrote:
These look suspiciously like the classic Quickdraw 8x8 type patterns - you sure that they scale? Particularly the wavey one :) njh
Nathan, Maybe a sloppy description in my post. I scaled one of the drawings but
the
fill pattern did not change size.
I have attached another couple of pictures showing the effect
particularly
with the wave fill. The first pic shows the original small object then
with
two enlarged versions. The second pic shows parts of the first two
objects
under zoom.
Yep, this is just a classic Quickdraw style pattern.
Is this good or bad? Why? I do not understand your last sentence. Would you expect SVG patterns to stay the same size or scale with the object? What about an option for either way when we get to it?
I definitely agree having an option would be preferred. Actually a few options:
[ ] Rotate with object [ ] Scale with object [ ] Use same stroke settings as object
Probably worth checking the SVG spec to see what options it specifies.
Did this get captured into an RFE or onto a Wiki page?
Bryce
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