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Hi Brynn,
I do still want to add the Learn SVG website, and the tutorials which are on that same domain (although somehow not linked to each other), if that's ok, as well as the book.
- - The website and book are in now, and I've gotten feedback from Tav and adapted the page, so you can now add the still missing tutorials ;)
But I'll be happy to start a page on animation topics. It will be fun and informative :-) Should it be in Learn sub-menu, or Develop? I would think Learn, but I often don't see the "big picture".
- - To me, Learn also makes more sense, as it's geared towards a more general audience - not only Inkscape developers want to make their pictures move ;)
Regards, Maren
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 5:33 PM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: About SVG page
Hi Brynn,
thank you for your feedback!
ad 1) I was able to shorten it to a bit less than 3 screen heights. The expanding box would be nice, but we don't have something like that available currently, I believe. Maybe something for a website feature request?
ad 3) No ETA yet. I still need feedback and keywords from Tav. This shouldn't prevent you from starting with the animation page, though. I can take care of the rest of this page ('About SVG'), if you would like to proceed.
The link selection you added to the page looks like a really good selection, I only added the SVG 2.0 draft to the link list, and renamed two items. Thank you!
Regards, Maren
Am 07.03.2015 um 02:34 schrieb Brynn:
Hi again, This is a reply to the last msg in the "Where does this belong"
thread. But I think that topic has ended, and has now become more about the new page. I hope it's ok to start a new thread like this.
I was just looking at the new About SVG page thatMaren
started, which looks awesome! The one thing that I wonder about is the section of code in the middle. It's approx 5.5 pages long, on my screen. Would it be possible to make the text smaller (say by 2 to 4 pts), so that it takes up less space? Or show less of the code? Or maybe put it on another page, and link to it? Or have a very small block, say 100 or 200 pixels square, and when you either click, or mouseover, it expands down?
I completely understand the purpose of showing it, and it's a
good thing. But after 2 or 3 page-downs, I wonder if visitors will think that's the end of the page, and move on? Plus, I imagine the "How does Inkscape use SVG" section could be fairly long, as well.
Since we can't make the links yet, I guess I'll justput the
URL for each link, on the draft page.
Now that we have this draft on staging, is there anyidea
when it will go up on live? I ask, because I'm anxious to start a page for animation topics, but want to see this through first.
Does anyone know who might be responsible for theLearn SVG
site, or at least who put it on the Books page? It still just bugs me that various parts of that site aren't connected together (via link from its front page). It's something that makes me think the site will succumb to bitrot sooner than later (maybe has already started) and makes me not want to use it. But otherwise, it really is a nice site.
Thanks, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:50 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG
coding)
Hi everyone,
I've started the 'About SVG' page for the 'Develop' submenu at http://staging.inkscape.org/en/develop/about-svg. There aren't any links in it yet, because of the plugin links not being transferable from staging to live. Text formatting isn't finished yet, either.
The last section, where links to external pages will live, is your realm, Brynn :)
For the next-to-last section, I would appreciate Tav's and every other developer's help for prompting me with some keywords, and probably people will also have additional remarks for the 'Why...' section.
Improvement / wording / orthography suggestions welcome!
Regards, Maren
Am 04.03.2015 um 18:17 schrieb Maren Hachmann:
Hi Brynn,
Am 04.03.2015 um 00:52 schrieb Brynn:
> I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see the > overview that you were going to write, to get some hints > about some different search terms. (I'm not very > knowledgeable about this.) So far, I've found a few > tutorials (on writing SVG). Although I agree that we > probably want to limit the "unofficial links", as much > as possible. Martin replied to me privately (for some > reason), saying he didn't think a new menu item is > needed, and that he thinks the new page about SVG should > go in Develop menu. It sounds like the page should have 2 > sections: How Inkscape Uses SVG2 and Learn SVG.
- Sounds good to me, and it sounds like we'll definitely
need some input from Tav for the specifics...
> OH!! I found it. I don't know why in the world a > website set up to accompany a book, doesn't have a link > to the book *anywhere* on the site!! But here it is: -- > free PDF download: > http://www.scribd.com/doc/58271695/Learn-SVG -- > purchase:
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5485/Learn-SVG-The-Web-Graphics-Standard
> Those should probably go on Books and Manuals page?
- Congrats on finding it :) and thanks for not giving up
digging!
Yes, I think that link could be added back in there, with one caveat: The text is from ~ 2003. The principles are probably still the same for the majority of the contents, the maths didn't change, and I believe backwards compatibility is something which is taken seriously by W3C, but many details and tipps and tricks mentioned in the text will be outdated, and some new functionality must have been built in in the meantime. There are some nice nostalgic screenshots of Netscape - and in contrast to the text, even IE now supports SVG... ;) So we'll need to add a hint about the age of the text, and about the areas where it is still valid, and where it is not. I can't really judge this, unfortunately. Another question for Tav, I'm afraid.
Regards, Maren
> All best :-)
> -------------------------------------------------- From: > "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Tuesday, > March 03, 2015 9:33 AM To: <brynn@...67...>; > "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? > ("advanced" SVG coding)
>> > Hi Brynn,
> finally, I'm back and have some time to write something > up.
>>>> Ok :-) >>>> >>>> I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on >>>> doing some > searching, the >>>> next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new >>>> page with intro > text, if >>>> you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and >>>> I can collaborate from there. Maybe during my >>>> search I'll get some ideas about organizing the >>>> page. It may end up being just a handful of links, >>>> but....well, as we've said, at least it will be a >>>> start. >>>>
> Do you already have a list of links which should be > included in the SVG page and/or the SVG animation page? > And has there been any progress on where those pages > should end up? It's also possible to move a page after it > has been created, so if we don't know where to put it > yet, it's not so problematic (Although it would help to > know the intended audience of a text before writing > it...) Just don't put it in the menu before it is > finished (the little red/green sign at the end of the row > in the pages list should be red), and don't link to it > before we know where it will live.
>>>> >>>> uh-oh.....could the site, the django part handle >>>> some simple animation of SVG?....maybe you guys > would >>>> have to set up that part of the page, since I don't >>>> understand a lot of those django plugins?
> - I think that should work just fine. It only depends on > browser support, but not on the website. A js-based > animation made with sozi can be viewed by clicking the > 'view' button: > http://staging.inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/19/ . I > copied Tav's SMIL/CSS animations from his page > http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/ to check, as I > didn't have any: a SMIL animation can be viewed directly, > even in the gallery view; a CSS based animation can be > viewed with the view button.
> Regards, Maren >> >> >> >>
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