I could try to do that. But I need specifics.

Is the only thing that needs to be changed is the link (and supporting text around the link, if necessary)? Should the link go to https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues, or directly to open a new Issue form?

Of course I'll list every change for translators and send it to you :-)

I'm probably not the best person to update the wiki. I'm not very familiar with it.

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:08 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Issue tracking for Inkscape moves to Gitlab

Hi,

could someone help web content editors by browsing the website and looking for places that require updating?

I think it's probably FAQ, the bug report page, contribute testing, and develop pages.

Then there must also be some Wiki pages.

I'm currently a bit busy with other stuff, so I'd appreciate if someone gave me a list with links + screenshots or similar.

Or, if someone updated the pages, that would be cool - but then I'd still need a list (preferably with screenshots), for being able to notify translators.

Maren

Am 15.01.19 um 10:56 schrieb Bryce Harrington:

Hi all,

As of this week, the Inkscape project is shifting to Gitlab for issue tracking in place of Launchpad.

https://gitlab.com/groups/inkscape/-/issues

We've been using Gitlab for our code hosting and other purposes for a year and a half now[1], and have found it to be reliable and convenient. We didn't migrate Issue Tracking until now, so we could take time to make sure we had a plan:

1. Going forward, new bug reports should be filed only in Gitlab.

2. Launchpad will remain available as a historical archive of our bug reports. Filing bugs there will remain possible for now, but discouraged.

3. Bugs in Launchpad that are still reproducible in Inkscape 0.92.4 or newer can be re-filed on Gitlab and closed on Launchpad.

We are planning efforts to help organize the migration work and keep track of progress. More info on this will be coming soon.

Eventually, when the necessary bugs have been migrated, bug reporting in Launchpad will be shut off.

We're enthused about this change, and hope you too will find gitlab a more user friendly way to report issues, and we'd love your help triaging and solving Inkscape bugs.

Bryce

1: https://inkscape.org/news/2017/06/10/inkscape-moves-gitlab/

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If either 0.92.4 or 1.0 alpha is about to be released, can't the edits just say 'from now on'? (Not really "from now on" specifically, but in effect it would be - here's where new bug reports go now.) Because users wouldn't be reporting bugs for 0.92.3 or older, after 0.92.4 is released, would they?

Thanks, brynn

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Am 15.01.19 um 17:08 schrieb brynn:

I could try to do that. But I need specifics.

- Thank you, Brynn.

Is the only thing that needs to be changed is the link (and supporting text around the link, if necessary)?

- No, the new policy about both bug trackers needs to be mentioned and explained on the 'report bugs' page, at least.

However, for that we still need a reply from Bryce about the Inkscape version that applies to. Wait for that before you start, please.

I can see why he said 0.92.4 and higher - because that's what is currently under development. I don't know what Marc's rationale is for only intending to do this for alpha and higher. Maybe there was some kind of misunderstanding in their communication earlier, dunno, just know that we need to know before we make any changes, and even before we publish the release news article...

On the other pages, probably a simple switch is sufficient, or change to a link to report bugs page if suitable, to have 1 central place that needs to be updated instead of multiple places.

Should the link go to https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues, or directly to open a new Issue form?

- Better allow users to search for duplicates first, so not the new issue form.

Of course I'll list every change for translators and send it to you :-)

- Thank you, that will be awesome.

I'm probably not the best person to update the wiki. I'm not very familiar with it.

- If you find something that needs updating, you can let us know here, then.

Maren

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:08 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Issue tracking for Inkscape moves to Gitlab

Hi,

could someone help web content editors by browsing the website and looking for places that require updating?

I think it's probably FAQ, the bug report page, contribute testing, and develop pages.

Then there must also be some Wiki pages.

I'm currently a bit busy with other stuff, so I'd appreciate if someone gave me a list with links + screenshots or similar.

Or, if someone updated the pages, that would be cool - but then I'd still need a list (preferably with screenshots), for being able to notify translators.

Maren

Am 15.01.19 um 10:56 schrieb Bryce Harrington:

...

Hi all,

As of this week, the Inkscape project is shifting to Gitlab for issue tracking in place of Launchpad.

https://gitlab.com/groups/inkscape/-/issues

We've been using Gitlab for our code hosting and other purposes for a year and a half now[1], and have found it to be reliable and convenient. We didn't migrate Issue Tracking until now, so we could take time to make sure we had a plan:

1. Going forward, new bug reports should be filed only in Gitlab.

2. Launchpad will remain available as a historical archive of our bug reports. Filing bugs there will remain possible for now, but discouraged.

3. Bugs in Launchpad that are still reproducible in Inkscape 0.92.4 or newer can be re-filed on Gitlab and closed on Launchpad.

We are planning efforts to help organize the migration work and keep track of progress. More info on this will be coming soon.

Eventually, when the necessary bugs have been migrated, bug reporting in Launchpad will be shut off.

We're enthused about this change, and hope you too will find gitlab a more user friendly way to report issues, and we'd love your help triaging and solving Inkscape bugs.

Bryce

1: https://inkscape.org/news/2017/06/10/inkscape-moves-gitlab/

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On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 10:07:19AM -0700, brynn wrote:

If either 0.92.4 or 1.0 alpha is about to be released, can't the edits just say 'from now on'? (Not really "from now on" specifically, but in effect it would be - here's where new bug reports go now.) Because users wouldn't be reporting bugs for 0.92.3 or older, after 0.92.4 is released, would they?

Not all users will know to install 0.92.4 immediately; Linux users will tend to upgrade when their distro upgrades them, and that could be some months out. So we can expect many users will be on 0.92.3 even after 0.92.4 is out, and may need encouragement to re-test on the newer version.

It's questionable that the developers will have much interest in working on 0.92.4 bug reports, but they'll certainly have little interest in bugs only affecting 0.92.3 or older.

Bryce

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:19 AM To: brynn ; inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Issue tracking for Inkscape moves to Gitlab

Am 15.01.19 um 17:08 schrieb brynn:

...

I could try to do that. But I need specifics.

• Thank you, Brynn.

...

Is the only thing that needs to be changed is the link (and supporting text around the link, if necessary)?

• No, the new policy about both bug trackers needs to be mentioned and

explained on the 'report bugs' page, at least.

However, for that we still need a reply from Bryce about the Inkscape version that applies to. Wait for that before you start, please.

I can see why he said 0.92.4 and higher - because that's what is currently under development. I don't know what Marc's rationale is for only intending to do this for alpha and higher. Maybe there was some kind of misunderstanding in their communication earlier, dunno, just know that we need to know before we make any changes, and even before we publish the release news article...

On the other pages, probably a simple switch is sufficient, or change to a link to report bugs page if suitable, to have 1 central place that needs to be updated instead of multiple places.

...

Should the link go to https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues, or directly to open a new Issue form?

• Better allow users to search for duplicates first, so not the new

issue form.

...

Of course I'll list every change for translators and send it to you :-)

• Thank you, that will be awesome.

...

I'm probably not the best person to update the wiki. I'm not very familiar with it.

• If you find something that needs updating, you can let us know here, then.

Maren

...

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:08 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Issue tracking for Inkscape moves to Gitlab

Hi,

could someone help web content editors by browsing the website and looking for places that require updating?

I think it's probably FAQ, the bug report page, contribute testing, and develop pages.

Then there must also be some Wiki pages.

I'm currently a bit busy with other stuff, so I'd appreciate if someone gave me a list with links + screenshots or similar.

Or, if someone updated the pages, that would be cool - but then I'd still need a list (preferably with screenshots), for being able to notify translators.

Maren

Am 15.01.19 um 10:56 schrieb Bryce Harrington:

...

Hi all,

As of this week, the Inkscape project is shifting to Gitlab for issue tracking in place of Launchpad.

https://gitlab.com/groups/inkscape/-/issues

We've been using Gitlab for our code hosting and other purposes for a year and a half now[1], and have found it to be reliable and convenient. We didn't migrate Issue Tracking until now, so we could take time to make sure we had a plan:

1. Going forward, new bug reports should be filed only in Gitlab.

2. Launchpad will remain available as a historical archive of our bug reports. Filing bugs there will remain possible for now, but discouraged.

3. Bugs in Launchpad that are still reproducible in Inkscape 0.92.4 or newer can be re-filed on Gitlab and closed on Launchpad.

We are planning efforts to help organize the migration work and keep track of progress. More info on this will be coming soon.

Eventually, when the necessary bugs have been migrated, bug reporting in Launchpad will be shut off.

We're enthused about this change, and hope you too will find gitlab a more user friendly way to report issues, and we'd love your help triaging and solving Inkscape bugs.

Bryce

1: https://inkscape.org/news/2017/06/10/inkscape-moves-gitlab/

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Am 16.01.2019 um 03:55 schrieb Maren Hachmann:

I'd like to ask Marc, Patrick and Bryce to review the changes. https://inkscape.org/contribute/report-bugs/

Thanks for taking care of this!

I've done some minor edits to simplify / clarify (among others I tried to give a short explanation on why there are two trackers but without getting too verbose). Feel free to cross-check and iterate!

I guess we might want to include a link to the guide on how to migrate a bug once it's ready in the relevant line? (I think Chris was preparing one?)

As a general note I'm afraid some users were lazy and didn't check properly for duplicates before. Having two trackers will likely not make that any more probable. Even for everybody else it obviously involves additional effort. As I don't see a way to "solve" this (short of nuking or completely disregarding the old tracker), I tried at least to change the wording a bit to explain that reporters themselves might profit from searching for old bugs on Launchpad, too, instead of simply indicating that we don't want them to file duplicates even if the reasons would be obvious and the request warranted. (Actually I'm starting to realize that for these kinds of pages it's more helpful to pick a language that tries to explain how filing reports "properly" can be mutually advantageous for reporters and project members alike, instead of trying to explain from the point of view of either party).

Cheers Patrick

Am 17.01.19 um 03:06 schrieb Bryce Harrington:

Well, having a unified inbox on gitlab as you proposed may get us partway towards something like that. If we accept 0.92 bugs in gitlab (for 0.92.4 and newer) then we can be more aggressive at discouraging bug filing on launchpad - we can scrub all mention of it and all links to it from all our public pages.

- On most public pages scrubbing is not possible (links to specific bugs in the FAQ, for example) or does not make sense (instructions for bug triage, instructions for searching for existing reports before posting a new one).

Maren

For this page: https://inkscape.org/contribute/report-bugs/

I had 6 or 7 detailed comments/edits explained for the new contents under "Search the bug trackers" which were added, but now I think I can say it easier this way. Most of that info either repeats info that's already mentioned elsewhere on the page, or can be.

Could I just edit the page, but not publish? Or would you like me to explain every change which I would suggest?

Why is it suggested that users who find a bug already mentioned in LP, to transfer it to GL? Aren't all the LP bugs going to be moved to GL anyway?

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 12:13 PM To: brynn ; inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Issue tracking for Inkscape moves to Gitlab

Brynn, bug experts,

I've now updated these pages:

https://inkscape.org/develop/bug-management/ https://inkscape.org/develop/getting-started/ https://inkscape.org/contribute/translations/ https://inkscape.org/contribute/report-bugs/ https://inkscape.org/learn/faq/

which contained link and mention of the launchpad bug tracker (most still do).

Please review, and let me know when they are finalized (enough) for translation.

Maren

Am 15.01.19 um 18:07 schrieb brynn:

If either 0.92.4 or 1.0 alpha is about to be released, can't the edits just say 'from now on'? (Not really "from now on" specifically, but in effect it would be - here's where new bug reports go now.) Because users wouldn't be reporting bugs for 0.92.3 or older, after 0.92.4 is released, would they?

Thanks, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:19 AM To: brynn ; inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Issue tracking for Inkscape moves to Gitlab

Am 15.01.19 um 17:08 schrieb brynn:

...

I could try to do that. But I need specifics.

• Thank you, Brynn.

...

Is the only thing that needs to be changed is the link (and supporting text around the link, if necessary)?

• No, the new policy about both bug trackers needs to be mentioned and

explained on the 'report bugs' page, at least.

However, for that we still need a reply from Bryce about the Inkscape version that applies to. Wait for that before you start, please.

I can see why he said 0.92.4 and higher - because that's what is currently under development. I don't know what Marc's rationale is for only intending to do this for alpha and higher. Maybe there was some kind of misunderstanding in their communication earlier, dunno, just know that we need to know before we make any changes, and even before we publish the release news article...

On the other pages, probably a simple switch is sufficient, or change to a link to report bugs page if suitable, to have 1 central place that needs to be updated instead of multiple places.

...

Should the link go to https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues, or directly to open a new Issue form?

• Better allow users to search for duplicates first, so not the new

issue form.

...

Of course I'll list every change for translators and send it to you :-)

• Thank you, that will be awesome.

...

I'm probably not the best person to update the wiki. I'm not very familiar with it.

• If you find something that needs updating, you can let us know here,

then.

Maren

...

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:08 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Issue tracking for Inkscape moves to Gitlab

Hi,

could someone help web content editors by browsing the website and looking for places that require updating?

I think it's probably FAQ, the bug report page, contribute testing, and develop pages.

Then there must also be some Wiki pages.

I'm currently a bit busy with other stuff, so I'd appreciate if someone gave me a list with links + screenshots or similar.

Or, if someone updated the pages, that would be cool - but then I'd still need a list (preferably with screenshots), for being able to notify translators.

Maren

Am 15.01.19 um 10:56 schrieb Bryce Harrington:

...

Hi all,

As of this week, the Inkscape project is shifting to Gitlab for issue tracking in place of Launchpad.

https://gitlab.com/groups/inkscape/-/issues

We've been using Gitlab for our code hosting and other purposes for a year and a half now[1], and have found it to be reliable and convenient. We didn't migrate Issue Tracking until now, so we could take time to make sure we had a plan:

1. Going forward, new bug reports should be filed only in Gitlab.

2. Launchpad will remain available as a historical archive of our bug reports. Filing bugs there will remain possible for now, but discouraged.

3. Bugs in Launchpad that are still reproducible in Inkscape 0.92.4 or newer can be re-filed on Gitlab and closed on Launchpad.

We are planning efforts to help organize the migration work and keep track of progress. More info on this will be coming soon.

Eventually, when the necessary bugs have been migrated, bug reporting in Launchpad will be shut off.

We're enthused about this change, and hope you too will find gitlab a more user friendly way to report issues, and we'd love your help triaging and solving Inkscape bugs.

Bryce

1: https://inkscape.org/news/2017/06/10/inkscape-moves-gitlab/

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