Website Updates collection
Dear fellow website translators,
Here's the latest list of website contents changes (they are all quite small): (click the links to get the full descriptions)
https://inkscape.org/en/~Moini/%E2%98%85website-update-learn-tutorials
https://inkscape.org/en/~Moini/%E2%98%85website-update-learn-videos-part-i
https://inkscape.org/en/~Moini/%E2%98%85website-update-learn-videos-part-ii
https://inkscape.org/en/~Moini/%E2%98%85website-update-contribute-contributo...
https://inkscape.org/en/~Moini/%E2%98%85website-update-support-us-donate
I'm not sure if these diffs are still needed, as it's possible to subscribe to website changes now, and the diff pages are quite complete now (if you click on 'view full diff' in the email you get). On the other hand, there are lots and lots of edits to the web page happening, and only a fraction of those are actually relevant to translators, and screenshot diffs are faster to work with (at least they are for me).
What do you think? Would you like to continue receiving these updates by mailing list and screenshot? Or would the subscription to 'All pages' be enough?
Thanks for your help with translations, Kind Regards, Maren
I had not yet subscribed to all pages, but took this opportunity to do it just now. Never seen any of the automatic diffs before myself, but if they are as complete as you say I'd guess you no longer need to manually make these, as I'm sure they are quite time consuming to make.
The email alerts are useful though, just in case the website alerts might fail for some reason or get caught in some spam filter. Also just to get a manual "human generated" confirmation that the changes are indeed real and to be translated, and not fruit of some human error or minor adjustments. Just a simple message would suffice, they are a good opportunity for any additional warnings, advice or recommendations.
IMHO I'd keep the emails and ditch the diffs, but what do you guys think? That is my personal preference, but I'm be totally OK with whatever else you decide.
On 23-08-2016 11:30, Maren Hachmann wrote:
Dear fellow website translators,
Here's the latest list of website contents changes (they are all quite small): (click the links to get the full descriptions)
https://inkscape.org/en/~Moini/%E2%98%85website-update-learn-tutorials
https://inkscape.org/en/~Moini/%E2%98%85website-update-learn-videos-part-i
https://inkscape.org/en/~Moini/%E2%98%85website-update-learn-videos-part-ii
https://inkscape.org/en/~Moini/%E2%98%85website-update-contribute-contributo...
https://inkscape.org/en/~Moini/%E2%98%85website-update-support-us-donate
I'm not sure if these diffs are still needed, as it's possible to subscribe to website changes now, and the diff pages are quite complete now (if you click on 'view full diff' in the email you get). On the other hand, there are lots and lots of edits to the web page happening, and only a fraction of those are actually relevant to translators, and screenshot diffs are faster to work with (at least they are for me).
What do you think? Would you like to continue receiving these updates by mailing list and screenshot? Or would the subscription to 'All pages' be enough?
Thanks for your help with translations, Kind Regards, Maren
Inkscape-translator mailing list Inkscape-translator@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-translator
Le 24/08/2016 à 04:32, Duarte Ramos a écrit :
I had not yet subscribed to all pages, but took this opportunity to do it just now.
Oh, I wasn't aware this feature now works. I subscribed too. (Well, I won't be able to do my small random malicious edits everywhere without you knowing… Bad. For example, that gray text on the English Testing page.)
Never seen any of the automatic diffs before myself
May just look like a standard diff/patch file for the HTML?
Non-related: Duarte, the shield on the Portuguese homepage is not translated, could you translate it please? I don't understand Portuguese but at least I'd like it to be clear that we have an active translator for that language.
On 23-08-2016 11:30, Maren Hachmann wrote:
I'm not sure if these diffs are still needed, as it's possible to subscribe to website changes now, and the diff pages are quite complete now (if you click on 'view full diff' in the email you get). On the other hand, there are lots and lots of edits to the web page happening, and only a fraction of those are actually relevant to translators, and screenshot diffs are faster to work with (at least they are for me).
Yeah. For example, yesterday, my malicious edit was updating the homepage in all languages — some still had the ‘telescope’ picture instead of /The Music of Art/ —, removing the contents if they were not translated at all. I also often correct very small typos in French or English. Had you seen those (wrong) spaces before two closing quotes in the ‘Video Tutorials’ page? Pop! Just removed them a few hours ago. This e-mails wouldn't help you much (maybe you'll get amused first times).
Consequently I think it still makes sense you keeps on sending us your ‘pictural’ diffs if it doesn't take you time. My suggestion would be that translators subscribe to the changes like Duarte and me just to test, and then you'll ask us again in a few months if it's OK and you can stop sending these updates.
What do you think? Would you like to continue receiving these updates by mailing list and screenshot? Or would the subscription to 'All pages' be enough?
As a personal answer, I'm eager to watch every website change and update the French pages; so I probably don't need you diffs. I recognize they're quite cool even though they don't inform about removed content and don't give the links hrefs. -- Sylvain
Non-related: Duarte, the shield on the Portuguese homepage is not translated, could you translate it please? I don't understand Portuguese but at least I'd like it to be clear that we have an active translator for that language.
Wasn't aware the shield was translatable yet, last I checked (which was admittedly quite a while ago) that was not accessible for editing. Anyway it's updated now along with all other changes Maren reported in the diffs
I was also unaware of subscriptions until now. I can see getting email notifications for every minor changes getting annoying fast though, but I'll see how it goes for a while. If they are too much we can still disable email notifications and rely on the trusty method of getting Maren's emails. We can still see the diffs online through the web interface notifications, saving the burden of manually making screenshots.
Unrelated: I just noticed that the Portuguese page for the Gallery is empty and missing all plugins. I tried adding them but I can't copy them from other languages nor introduce the correct settings manually myself. Could anyone with the right permissions fix that for me please, so I can translate that page too?
Thanks
Le 24/08/2016 à 05:40, Duarte Ramos a écrit :
Wasn't aware the shield was translatable yet, last I checked (which was admittedly quite a while ago) that was not accessible for editing. Anyway it's updated now along with all other changes Maren reported in the diffs
Great.
We can still see the diffs online through the web interface notifications
Uh… Where?
Unrelated: I just noticed that the Portuguese page for the Gallery is empty and missing all plugins. I tried adding them but I can't copy them from other languages nor introduce the correct settings manually myself. Could anyone with the right permissions fix that for me please, so I can translate that page too?
The gallery is a special page managed by specific code; it is not a CMS editable page with plugins. Well, I just had time to see your empty page, then I opened a second browser to have an unlogged session in parallel and on that second browser it was fixed (and then, loading the Gallery with Chromium, my computer lagged during several minutes). Thanks, anonymous. You do great work. The person who fixed it unpublished the page, I think… To fix such problems, leave the page empty (empty it if it is not empty) and check that the Page Settings are strictly the same (possibly with translations) as for the English page, including Advanced Page Settings. The problem was in the first field of the advanced settings: the overriding URL was not specified. It must be ‘gallery’ (otherwise it won't work…). I re-published the page. Good you noticed it. -- Sylvain
Hi Duarte and Sylvain, and everyone,
(replying to the last four mails in one)
Thank you for your replies and for the quick website updates!
Am 24.08.2016 um 04:32 schrieb Duarte Ramos:
I'd keep the emails and ditch the diffs
they are a good opportunity for any additional warnings, advice or recommendations
- That sounds reasonable. I'm going to include a link to the relevant diffs instead, and a short description of the change, for those who do not want to receive *all* the website updates (it's not possible to filter by language, according to Martin Owens... :/). We'll see how it goes. I also don't want to not send any messages to the list anymore ;-)
If a diff is unclear, please ask on the list ;)
Am 24.08.2016 um 05:08 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
(Well, I won't be able to do my small random malicious edits everywhere without you knowing… Bad. For example, that gray text on the English Testing page.)
- I've been receiving all mails about all edits since the feature was introduced, which means I've received about 1600 mails about those until now (e.g. yesterday 16, today 15 up to now).
That's why I think it would be very useful if people editing the English pages would always include a comment in the comment field, as then it would be easy to see if a change is relevant to translators or not. It once was mandatory, but some change made it optional - I still don't know if that change was intentional (we've got a bug report, that never received any answer).
Consequently I think it still makes sense you keeps on sending us your ‘pictural’ diffs if it doesn't take you time. My suggestion would be that translators subscribe to the changes like Duarte and me just to test, and then you'll ask us again in a few months if it's OK and you can stop sending these updates.
- Of course it takes time :) I'll continue to look at the diffs anyway (that Firefox addon is useful for so many purposes!), but making the screenshots and uploading them with title, description, licence,..., partly editing them to have them as a single image instead of broken up into parts (ditched this yesterday), does take time ;) (which I'd be willing to invest if it helps, but not if it's redundant).
Maybe you could help with trying to remember to reevaluate in a few months?
Am 24.08.2016 um 06:32 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
We can still see the diffs online through the web interface notifications
Uh… Where?
- Via the page's history (see attachment). Or by following the link in the email you received.
Thanks, anonymous. You do great work.
- The page history doesn't have a record of anyone but you and Duarte doing anything with that page ;) (but I think unpublishing isn't recorded). Wasn't me, anyway.
Thanks again for the feedback, you two!
The new translators probably didn't have an opportunity to compare, but I hope they will speak up if the info they receive is not sufficient, or if they have any questions at all :)
Kind Regards, Maren
Am 24.08.2016 um 06:32 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
Le 24/08/2016 à 05:40, Duarte Ramos a écrit :
Wasn't aware the shield was translatable yet, last I checked (which was admittedly quite a while ago) that was not accessible for editing. Anyway it's updated now along with all other changes Maren reported in the diffs
Great.
We can still see the diffs online through the web interface notifications
Uh… Where?
Unrelated: I just noticed that the Portuguese page for the Gallery is empty and missing all plugins. I tried adding them but I can't copy them from other languages nor introduce the correct settings manually myself. Could anyone with the right permissions fix that for me please, so I can translate that page too?
The gallery is a special page managed by specific code; it is not a CMS editable page with plugins. Well, I just had time to see your empty page, then I opened a second browser to have an unlogged session in parallel and on that second browser it was fixed (and then, loading the Gallery with Chromium, my computer lagged during several minutes). Thanks, anonymous. You do great work. The person who fixed it unpublished the page, I think… To fix such problems, leave the page empty (empty it if it is not empty) and check that the Page Settings are strictly the same (possibly with translations) as for the English page, including Advanced Page Settings. The problem was in the first field of the advanced settings: the overriding URL was not specified. It must be ‘gallery’ (otherwise it won't work…). I re-published the page. Good you noticed it. -- Sylvain
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That's why I think it would be very useful if people editing the English pages would always include a comment in the comment field, as then it would be easy to see if a change is relevant to translators or not.
Had never noticed the comment field in the editing dialog, I'll start using it from now on.
The Portuguese Gallery page seems to be in working order finally, thanks for fixing that. I've been fixing any broken links left behind pointing to the wrong translated slug URL. Let me know if I missed any.
I noticed that in the Community https://inkscape.org/community/ page under the /Galleries /section the Gallery link points to community page itself we are already on, not the gallery. Not sure if it's intentional or it's meant to point to https://inkscape.org/gallery/
Thanks again
Am 24.08.2016 um 15:21 schrieb Duarte Ramos:
I noticed that in the Community https://inkscape.org/community/ page under the /Galleries /section the Gallery link points to community page itself we are already on, not the gallery. Not sure if it's intentional or it's meant to point to https://inkscape.org/gallery/
- No, that wasn't intentional, thanks! Fixed for all languages that had it wrong now.
Regards, Maren
Thanks for the fix.
Best regards, Duarte
On 25-08-2016 02:13, Maren Hachmann wrote:
Am 24.08.2016 um 15:21 schrieb Duarte Ramos:
I noticed that in the Community https://inkscape.org/community/ page under the /Galleries /section the Gallery link points to community page itself we are already on, not the gallery. Not sure if it's intentional or it's meant to point to https://inkscape.org/gallery/
- No, that wasn't intentional, thanks! Fixed for all languages that had
it wrong now.
Regards, Maren
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