Invisible shapes are occassionally needed. For example, text on path. Another example, custom stripe pattern.
However, the problem is new users. They find that they can make invisible objects, so they do. Then they forget that they did. Then they can't draw anything anymore.
I still like Patrick's suggestion in the bug report (https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1704777) It helps in only a certain situation, and does not impair accidentally in other situations.
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 5:03 PM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape can be extremely frustrating
Or don't use invisible objects. I think thats still the better solution. They are not needed for anything, and having to sort through potentially thousands of objects to find the invisible ones, is so so very not worth it. :)
PS- easier way to see invisible objects is View > Display Mode > Outline imho, this is also so very not worth it.
Don't use invisible shapes, people. It's bad, mkay? ;) -C
On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 11:39 PM Victor Westmann <victor.westmann@...155...> wrote:
Guys,
To see whatever object you have on Inkscape canvas, doesn't matter if invisible or not, just go to "Object" > "Objects...". All of the objects will be there.
I was the one that requested this feature way and was REALLY glad this was implemented! Extremely handy feature.
Just like the Blender panel with all of the objects present in the Blender viewports.
;-)
--Victor Westmann
On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 3:17 PM, Maren Hachmann <maren@...3112...> wrote: Am 30.08.2018 um 23:01 schrieb C R:
It can't ever catch all the cases, though. Layers? Groups? Too much blur? A clip or mask? Other objects above in a different layer? There are so many of those that cause drawing invisible objects, and Inkscape doesn't help with determining the cause (btw. opacity at 0 is the most frequent cause, esp. as there is a bug about the opacity indicator field in the current stable version, after that comes 'fill alpha at 0'. 'no stroke, no fill' is a lot rarer, in my experience).I'm sure we can catch some or most of these. I still maintain it's an error to draw a shape with no fill and no stroke, regardless of the reason ... with the possible exception of masking or clipping. I don't see how groups would be a problem unless the group were set to 0% opacity...
- Happens, unfortunately. And people don't notice they are in one when they try to draw something.
another thing whic is inadvisable for all the same reasons. :) Regardless, if the user hits escape twice, it exits out of any groups etc. We should make sure that at least in this condition, where nothing else is interfering, the user is able to draw visible shapes effectively without having to tweak anything to see what they are drawing. :)
- It might be inadvisable, but it's quick and a way that is currently available to change the line width of a line drawing (like a simple cartoon). I wasn't talking about gradients, and also not about shape properties.A better method is to enter the group, select all, and adjust the line-width there. Being able to set the stroke, but not stroke gradient, or fill but not fill gradient on a group is inconsistent behaviour and needs to be fixed one way or the other - either the group is treated like selecting all its contents, or the group needs to be treated like a separate shape. Right now its both, and is confusing and inconsistent UX.
- I can set the fill and stroke gradient for a group just fine (in both master and 0.92.x), what are the cases in which this doesn't work?
Your suggested change can make some actions take a lot longer, because one needs to select only objects that have a stroke in a group, to change their stroke width.
I just don't expect Inkscape to add a stroke when I change the line width - I understand that it might help new users, but it's also illogical.Currently, if the user adjusts the line width and there's no stroke, the value is thrown away entirely. That's absolutely apalling UX. :)
- It doesn't do that for me in 0.92.x, which I routinely use. But the behavior is new in master - and I just noticed someone removed the stroke width indicator in the lower left corner! Why was that removed? I use it so often for quick adjustments.
I think these are bugs. This can't be intentional...
Maren
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