The other day, i decided to lock an object using the "lock" checkbox in the properties dialog box, and when i wanted to edit this object again, the only way i could find to unlock it was to edit the XML using the XML editor.
This got me thinking, how could an easier way be implented? microUgly and i were throwing around some ideas at http://inkscapeforum.com/ and we thought, why not be able to change these properties of objects in the layers dialog box? anyhoo, the moral to my rambilings is that i did a simple mockup of how this may work: please tell me what you think...
mockup: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/images/Layersmockup.png
cheers,
ryanlerch
very very usefull !!!
but please don´t forget -if possible- some kind of "unlock all" comand
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but please don´t forget -if possible- some kind of "unlock all" comand
you already have Unlock all and Unhide all in Object menu (in SVN)
ryan lerch wrote the following on 6/13/2007 8:18 PM:
The other day, i decided to lock an object using the "lock" checkbox in the properties dialog box, and when i wanted to edit this object again, the only way i could find to unlock it was to edit the XML using the XML editor.
This got me thinking, how could an easier way be implented? microUgly and i were throwing around some ideas at http://inkscapeforum.com/ and we thought, why not be able to change these properties of objects in the layers dialog box? anyhoo, the moral to my rambilings is that i did a simple mockup of how this may work: please tell me what you think...
mockup: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/images/Layersmockup.png
cheers,
ryanlerch
i too have had problems unlocking items that i had locked. your mockup makes sense. i could see how this would be helpful.
heathenx
What is even more useful than a lock/unlock all button, is the zipper effect.
Supposing that all you layers are unlock, you can click the lock for the top layer, and while holding down your mouse button, drag downward over all the locks, until you have locked all the layers you wanted to.
This is a neat trick in the Photoshop/Illustrator dialog, which I'm sure would take some creative programming, but would be terribly useful.
On 6/14/07, heathenx <heathenx@...155...> wrote:
ryan lerch wrote the following on 6/13/2007 8:18 PM:
The other day, i decided to lock an object using the "lock" checkbox in the properties dialog box, and when i wanted to edit this object again, the only way i could find to unlock it was to edit the XML using the XML editor.
This got me thinking, how could an easier way be implented? microUgly and i were throwing around some ideas at http://inkscapeforum.com/ and we thought, why not be able to change these properties of objects in the layers dialog box? anyhoo, the moral to my rambilings is that i did a simple mockup of how this may work: please tell me what you think...
mockup: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/images/Layersmockup.png
cheers,
ryanlerch
i too have had problems unlocking items that i had locked. your mockup makes sense. i could see how this would be helpful.
heathenx
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Hello Ryan,
This is very good, it makes a lot of sense to present things like that. I think it would be useful to also be able to rename the objects through this dialog in order to help get things organised in complex drawings. Also, it would make the selection of objects within a group much easier.
I think you need a box for turning on and off the "sync with selection" behaviour, which would automatically expand the relevant parts of the Layers dialog tree depending on which object is being selected on the drawing (for those who use Eclipse, an analogous feature is that it can sync the tree on the left with the source code file that you're viewing in the main view).
Stathis
ryan lerch wrote:
The other day, i decided to lock an object using the "lock" checkbox in the properties dialog box, and when i wanted to edit this object again, the only way i could find to unlock it was to edit the XML using the XML editor.
This got me thinking, how could an easier way be implented? microUgly and i were throwing around some ideas at http://inkscapeforum.com/ and we thought, why not be able to change these properties of objects in the layers dialog box? anyhoo, the moral to my rambilings is that i did a simple mockup of how this may work: please tell me what you think...
mockup: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/images/Layersmockup.png
cheers,
ryanlerch
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Hi,
I see there are at least 3 feature requests about the same dialog: # 1676256http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1676256&group_id=93438&atid=604309 # 1707687http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1707687&group_id=93438&atid=604309
# 1735666http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1735666&group_id=93438&atid=604309
The most detailed being the first: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1676256&gro...
I'm on your side, It would be a very good tool to improve efficienty. Wish I had time and skills to do it.
Tibo
On 6/14/07, Stathis Sideris <im@...2253...> wrote:
Hello Ryan,
This is very good, it makes a lot of sense to present things like that. I think it would be useful to also be able to rename the objects through this dialog in order to help get things organised in complex drawings. Also, it would make the selection of objects within a group much easier.
I think you need a box for turning on and off the "sync with selection" behaviour, which would automatically expand the relevant parts of the Layers dialog tree depending on which object is being selected on the drawing (for those who use Eclipse, an analogous feature is that it can sync the tree on the left with the source code file that you're viewing in the main view).
Stathis
ryan lerch wrote:
The other day, i decided to lock an object using the "lock" checkbox in the properties dialog box, and when i wanted to edit this object again, the only way i could find to unlock it was to edit the XML using the XML editor.
This got me thinking, how could an easier way be implented? microUgly and i were throwing around some ideas at http://inkscapeforum.com/ and we thought, why not be able to change these properties of objects in the layers dialog box? anyhoo, the moral to my rambilings is that i did a simple mockup of how this may work: please tell me what you think...
mockup: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/images/Layersmockup.png
cheers,
ryanlerch
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:18:01 +0200, "Thibaut Raballand" <thibaut.raballand@...155...> wrote:
This got me thinking, how could an easier way be implented? microUgly and i were throwing around some ideas at http://inkscapeforum.com/ and we thought, why not be able to change these properties of objects in the layers dialog box?
The thing nobody thinks about is that if we put objects in the layer dialog, then what does it mean when you select a layer versus an object? You can't make most objects the current layer, but sometimes you also want to be able to select a layer like an object. Adobe Illustrator tried lumping it all in the same dialog anwyay, and the result was weird and confusing.
I think the real answer is to have an objects dialog separate but similar to the layers dialog that shows everything (layers included). It could probably be evolved from the tree pane in the XML dialog. That way, it's very clear how things work: you select a layer in the layers dialog, it becomes the current layer; you select anything in the objects dialog, it becomes selected on the canvas.
Does that make sense?
-mental
I think you do have a point, if the "layers" dialog includes objects, then it stops being the layers dialog and it becomes the "objects" dialog. I'm not sure that we do need both dialogs, but it is useful to be able to see things at the layer level or the more detailed object level separately. Could it be done using one dialog with two tabs, one for "layers" and one for "object layout" maybe?
Stathis
MenTaLguY wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:18:01 +0200, "Thibaut Raballand" <thibaut.raballand@...155...> wrote:
This got me thinking, how could an easier way be implented? microUgly and i were throwing around some ideas at http://inkscapeforum.com/ and we thought, why not be able to change these properties of objects in the layers dialog box?
The thing nobody thinks about is that if we put objects in the layer dialog, then what does it mean when you select a layer versus an object? You can't make most objects the current layer, but sometimes you also want to be able to select a layer like an object. Adobe Illustrator tried lumping it all in the same dialog anwyay, and the result was weird and confusing.
I think the real answer is to have an objects dialog separate but similar to the layers dialog that shows everything (layers included). It could probably be evolved from the tree pane in the XML dialog. That way, it's very clear how things work: you select a layer in the layers dialog, it becomes the current layer; you select anything in the objects dialog, it becomes selected on the canvas.
Does that make sense?
-mental
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:05:03 +0100, Stathis Sideris <im@...2253...> wrote:
I think you do have a point, if the "layers" dialog includes objects, then it stops being the layers dialog and it becomes the "objects" dialog. I'm not sure that we do need both dialogs, but it is useful to be able to see things at the layer level or the more detailed object level separately. Could it be done using one dialog with two tabs, one for "layers" and one for "object layout" maybe?
We could certainly try it and see how it works out.
-mental
MenTaLguY wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:05:03 +0100, Stathis Sideris <im@...2253...> wrote:
I think you do have a point, if the "layers" dialog includes objects, then it stops being the layers dialog and it becomes the "objects" dialog. I'm not sure that we do need both dialogs, but it is useful to be able to see things at the layer level or the more detailed object level separately. Could it be done using one dialog with two tabs, one for "layers" and one for "object layout" maybe?
We could certainly try it and see how it works out.
Just out of curiosity... is anyone inspired to actually implement it? ;)
-Josh
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:31:39 -0700, "Joshua A. Andler" <joshua@...233...> wrote:
We could certainly try it and see how it works out.
Just out of curiosity... is anyone inspired to actually implement it? ;)
Are you volunteering? ;)
It's something that's been on my personal list for a while, but I've simply not had much time for Inkscape hacking these days. I won't object if someone else does it, so long as they don't mess up the existing layers functionality.
-mental
MenTaLguY wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:31:39 -0700, "Joshua A. Andler" <joshua@...233...> wrote:
We could certainly try it and see how it works out.
Just out of curiosity... is anyone inspired to actually implement it? ;)
Are you volunteering? ;)
Nope. :)
It's something that's been on my personal list for a while, but I've simply not had much time for Inkscape hacking these days. I won't object if someone else does it, so long as they don't mess up the existing layers functionality.
I know it's been on your personal list, which is kinda why I was asking. But I also knew that you haven't had much inkscape hacking time (but you've been fighting for the greater good)... I really wasn't sure if we were just rehashing the old conversation again for the new folks or what. :) So, are there any volunteers? I'm sure that if people need a little coaching that the dev community would be happy to help.
-Josh
About the layours vs. Object docker (excuse me if this idea already came by): would it be an option to display a hierarchy of layers containing objects (containing objects containing objects) instead? This is indeed pretty similar to idea of just displaying the XML structure, but I think you could put more focus on the layer structure. Think about the object-tree in the scripting window in Flash for example. It would be handy to be able to access both layers and objects if you need, but only layers if you can. For the sake of clarity. The screen is cluttered enough wind dockers already.
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MenTaLguY wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:31:39 -0700, "Joshua A. Andler"
<joshua@...233...> wrote:
We could certainly try it and see how it works out.
Just out of curiosity... is anyone inspired to actually implement it?
;)
Are you volunteering? ;)
Nope. :)
It's something that's been on my personal list for a while, but I've
simply not had much time for Inkscape hacking these days. I won't object if someone else does it, so long as they don't mess up the existing layers functionality.
I know it's been on your personal list, which is kinda why I was asking. But I also knew that you haven't had much inkscape hacking time (but you've been fighting for the greater good)... I really wasn't sure if we were just rehashing the old conversation again for the new folks or what. :) So, are there any volunteers? I'm sure that if people need a little coaching that the dev community would be happy to help.
-Josh
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Hey People,
Curious if I get some reactions THIS time... I'm playing around with Adobe Flex at the moment and one feature stroke me as being realy usefull: containers. These containers are basically boxes, but they apply lay-out rules to the objects they contain. There is for example a Vbox and a Hbox, that align and distribute the objects they contain automatically in respectivaly vertical and a horizontal manner. There's also a grid container that tries to put its "children" in a grid of equal dimensions. Inkscape has already the posibility to allign, distribute and grid-allign objects, but if it could be done _automatically_ ? I have no idea about the SVG-specification, but a crude way of doing it could be creating a script that iterates through all the groups in the document that have a certain attribute connected to them and applying the aformentioned lay-out rules on the objects they contain - effectively resetting the x and y values of them. If this script is just an "effect" instead of an "auto-update" - so be it.
This lay-out-container feature would be very practical in creating scheme's and such and GUI-mock ups.
Regards,
M.
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MenTaLguY wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:31:39 -0700, "Joshua A. Andler"
<joshua@...233...> wrote:
We could certainly try it and see how it works out.
Just out of curiosity... is anyone inspired to actually implement it?
;)
Are you volunteering? ;)
Nope. :)
It's something that's been on my personal list for a while, but I've
simply not had much time for Inkscape hacking these days. I won't object if someone else does it, so long as they don't mess up the existing layers functionality.
I know it's been on your personal list, which is kinda why I was asking. But I also knew that you haven't had much inkscape hacking time (but you've been fighting for the greater good)... I really wasn't sure if we were just rehashing the old conversation again for the new folks or what. :) So, are there any volunteers? I'm sure that if people need a little coaching that the dev community would be happy to help.
-Josh
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Am Freitag, den 15.06.2007, 08:43 +0200 schrieb Maarten van der Velde:
Hey People,
Curious if I get some reactions THIS time... I'm playing around with Adobe Flex at the moment and one feature stroke me as being realy usefull: containers. These containers are basically boxes, but they apply lay-out rules to the objects they contain. There is for example a Vbox and a Hbox, that align and distribute the objects they contain automatically in respectivaly vertical and a horizontal manner. There's also a grid container that tries to put its "children" in a grid of equal dimensions. Inkscape has already the posibility to allign, distribute and grid-allign objects, but if it could be done _automatically_ ? I have no idea about the SVG-specification, [...]
Its not exactly the same but maybe usefull though: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/coords.html#ViewBoxAttribute
This lay-out-container feature would be very practical in creating scheme's and such and GUI-mock ups.
GUI mockups why not use something like glade (http://glade.gnome.org/) ?
Florian
Maarten van der Velde wrote:
Curious if I get some reactions THIS time... I'm playing around with Adobe Flex at the moment and one feature stroke me as being realy usefull: containers. These containers are basically boxes, but they apply lay-out rules to the objects they contain. There is for example a Vbox and a Hbox, that align and distribute the objects they contain automatically in respectivaly vertical and a horizontal manner. There's also a grid container that tries to put its "children" in a grid of equal dimensions. Inkscape has already the posibility to allign, distribute and grid-allign objects, but if it could be done _automatically_ ? I have no idea about the SVG-specification, but a crude way of doing it could be creating a script that iterates through all the groups in the document that have a certain attribute connected to them and applying the aformentioned lay-out rules on the objects they contain - effectively resetting the x and y values of them. If this script is just an "effect" instead of an "auto-update" - so be it.
This lay-out-container feature would be very practical in creating scheme's and such and GUI-mock ups.
Certainly an interesting idea. Sounds like you are asking for something like a live mode for the allignment and distribution methods that we already provide. This and a number of other features would be useful for constrained diagramming. Have you seen dunnart? http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~mwybrow/dunnart/
Aaron Spike
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On Monday 18 June 2007 03:14, Maarten van der Velde wrote:
As all my contributions are generally ignored, I would like to be removed from the list.
I note that your last suggestion received two replies.
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MenTaLguY wrote:
The thing nobody thinks about is that if we put objects in the layer dialog, then what does it mean when you select a layer versus an object? You can't make most objects the current layer, but sometimes you also want to be able to select a layer like an object. Adobe Illustrator tried lumping it all in the same dialog anwyay, and the result was weird and confusing.
I'll admit that as a noob to vectors I found Illustrators listing of objects in layers confusing. But I grew to understand it and it's the way I would prefer to work. I simply do not see a better way to manage both object and layers since they are both intertwined. Any attempt to seperate the heirachy of objects and the heirachy of layers is creating redundancy.
If people would prefer to work with layers without seeing each object I would include a toggle that switched object listings on and off.
As for "what does it mean when you select a layer versus an object?", think of layers as filesystem folders and objects as files within a folder. You can select a folder or you can select a file.
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