Hi,
I'm very new to inkscape and am just learning my way through.
I've just noticed that I'm in an odd draw mode for rectangles and circles where, when I draw them, instead of rectangles or circles showing up, I get an outline box and two small squares and a circle actually on the outline box (not IN it). My goal is just to draw a rectangle or a circle.
Can you help me with this?
Thanks for your time!
C.
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Sounds like you've got the fill/stroke either set to none or to whatever your background is. Use fill/stroke (ctrl+F) to check/change.
--- Christian Schroeder <schroedr@...1832...> wrote:
Hi,
I'm very new to inkscape and am just learning my way through.
I've just noticed that I'm in an odd draw mode for rectangles and circles where, when I draw them, instead of rectangles or circles showing up, I get an outline box and two small squares and a circle actually on the outline box (not IN it). My goal is just to draw a rectangle or a circle.
Can you help me with this?
Thanks for your time!
C.
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Sounds like you've got the fill/stroke either set to none or to whatever your background is. Use fill/stroke (ctrl+F) to check/change.
--- Christian Schroeder <schroedr@...1832...> wrote:
Hi,
I'm very new to inkscape and am just learning my way through.
I've just noticed that I'm in an odd draw mode for rectangles and circles where, when I draw them, instead of rectangles or circles showing up, I get an outline box and two small squares and a circle actually on the outline box (not IN it). My goal is just to draw a rectangle or a circle.
Can you help me with this?
Thanks for your time!
C.
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Basically, Inkscape is remembering what the last fill/stroke settings you used were. If you find this annoying, you can make Inkscape use a standard color/fill for each tool instead; go to Inkscape Preferences and navigate to Tools -> Shapes -> * and set from "Last used style" to "This tool's own style".
If you do change this, then for your workflow, you'll want to familiarize yourself with the "paste style" feature (shift-ctrl-V).
Bryce
On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 05:01:24AM -0700, John Cliff wrote:
Sounds like you've got the fill/stroke either set to none or to whatever your background is. Use fill/stroke (ctrl+F) to check/change.
--- Christian Schroeder <schroedr@...1832...> wrote:
Hi,
I'm very new to inkscape and am just learning my way through.
I've just noticed that I'm in an odd draw mode for rectangles and circles where, when I draw them, instead of rectangles or circles showing up, I get an outline box and two small squares and a circle actually on the outline box (not IN it). My goal is just to draw a rectangle or a circle.
Can you help me with this?
Thanks for your time!
C.
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Basically, Inkscape is remembering what the last fill/stroke settings you used were. If you find this annoying, you can make Inkscape use a standard color/fill for each tool instead; go to Inkscape Preferences and navigate to Tools -> Shapes -> * and set from "Last used style" to "This tool's own style".
Actually, it would be useful if you could have each tool remember its own last used style. I have it set on "last used style" but it's quite annoying if I am switching between the freehand tool and the calligraphy tool, because when I am line drawing I want a coloured stroke and no fill for the freehand tool, but a coloured fill and no stroke for the calligraphy tool.
Much as I'd be happy to write this in myself, I am on far too many projects as it is, so I merely ask that you bear this idea in mind.
On 4/28/06, Daniel Hulme <art@...1790...> wrote:
Actually, it would be useful if you could have each tool remember its own last used style. I have it set on "last used style" but it's quite annoying if I am switching between the freehand tool and the calligraphy tool, because when I am line drawing I want a coloured stroke and no fill for the freehand tool, but a coloured fill and no stroke for the calligraphy tool.
That's a good idea, except that it's not easy or even possible to implement it because style changing commands are completely decoupled from object-creating tools. You can paint anything any color in any tool, so how would you decide which tool has to remember this color as "last set"? By checking which tool was active at the moment of style setting? But then the majority of "last used styles" will be in Selector tool, not e.g. in Rect tool, often unexpectedly for the user. By checking what object you apply it to? But what if you set color on a rect and an ellipse simultaneously? As you see, it's not simple and obvious either way, and I'm afraid it will be just too confusing for the users.
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from object-creating tools. You can paint anything any color in any tool, so how would you decide which tool has to remember this color as "last set"? By checking which tool was active at the moment of style setting? But then the majority of "last used styles" will be in
No, the other way round. When you use (not select) an object-creating tool, you update its remembered style to the current style. Then, when you select that tool, you set the current style to the tool's remembered style. It would work just the same as the existing "one style per tool" setting, but Inkscape changes the one style when you use the tool, and the setting is stored with the document metadata rather than in global prefs.
a rect and an ellipse simultaneously? As you see, it's not simple and obvious either way, and I'm afraid it will be just too confusing for the users.
It's not simple or obvious, but if you assume your users are that easily confused, you'll never produce anything more challenging than an Etch-a-Sketch.
On 4/28/06, Daniel Hulme <st@...1790...> wrote:
No, the other way round. When you use (not select) an object-creating tool, you update its remembered style to the current style. Then, when you select that tool, you set the current style to the tool's remembered style. It would work just the same as the existing "one style per tool" setting, but Inkscape changes the one style when you use the tool, and the setting is stored with the document metadata rather than in global prefs.
You're saying that when I use a tool, e.g. draw a rect, the Rect tool style is updated to the current (global) style. But then you say that when I select the Rect tool, the global style is updated to the Rect tool style. I don't see how, with these provisions, a tool's style can ever be different from the global style.
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You're saying that when I use a tool, e.g. draw a rect, the Rect tool style is updated to the current (global) style. But then you say that when I select the Rect tool, the global style is updated to the Rect tool style. I don't see how, with these provisions, a tool's style can ever be different from the global style.
OK, I see where you're coming from now. Because, in Inkscape, there isn't a 'style I'm currently drawing in', but only a style associated with each object, when you draw with a tool often the style isn't the one you will eventually use. The bigger problem, though, is when changing back to a tool with an object selected. If it then recalls the style associated with the tool, I suppose it would change the style of the selected object, which isn't what I want.
So perhaps that's not the feature I want. Maybe the feature I want is an easy way to swap the fill style with the stroke style. That way, I could draw with the freehand tool, switch to the calligraphy tool, draw another object, press the appropriate key, and carry on drawing, without having to set the colour by hand or change to selector and ^c ^V the style from another object.
Maybe even that isn't the feature I want. Maybe it's some other feature. Maybe the feature already exists? But you know the problem I would like to solve. Surely I can't be the only one who spends too much time on this?
Btw, it's a bit late, I suppose, but I'd like to apologize for hijacking Christian's thread. :-)
On 4/28/06, Daniel Hulme <art@...1790...> wrote:
OK, I see where you're coming from now. Because, in Inkscape, there isn't a 'style I'm currently drawing in',
Why, there's a global "last set style." Some tools use it, others use their own fixed styles (you can change that in prefs).
So perhaps that's not the feature I want. Maybe the feature I want is an easy way to swap the fill style with the stroke style.
In SVN, you right-click the selected style indicator and choose "Swap fill and stroke".
Maybe even that isn't the feature I want. Maybe it's some other feature. Maybe the feature already exists? But you know the problem I would like to solve. Surely I can't be the only one who spends too much time on this?
For me, setting the Pen/Pencil tools to a fixed "no fill, black stroke" style and Calligraphic either to last set or a fixed "black fill, no stroke" style works well enough.
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On Apr 28, 2006, at 4:09 PM, bulia byak wrote:
On 4/28/06, Daniel Hulme <art@...1790...> wrote:
OK, I see where you're coming from now. Because, in Inkscape, there isn't a 'style I'm currently drawing in',
Why, there's a global "last set style." Some tools use it, others use their own fixed styles (you can change that in prefs).
So perhaps that's not the feature I want. Maybe the feature I want is an easy way to swap the fill style with the stroke style.
In SVN, you right-click the selected style indicator and choose "Swap fill and stroke".
I *think* this is where we might improve functionality with a palette of styles, in addition to just base colors. Click on the pen tool, touch the style you want to draw in, and then draw.
On 4/28/06, Jon A. Cruz <jon@...204...> wrote:
I *think* this is where we might improve functionality with a palette of styles, in addition to just base colors. Click on the pen tool, touch the style you want to draw in, and then draw.
This works already. Just set your drawing tool to using last-set-style, then click (for Calligraphic) or Shift+click (for Pen/Pencil, since they draw with the stroke) on the swatches palette and draw with that color. This is because clicking on the palette sets the last-set-style even if nothing was selected in the image.
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On Apr 28, 2006, at 6:15 PM, bulia byak wrote:
On 4/28/06, Jon A. Cruz <jon@...204...> wrote:
I *think* this is where we might improve functionality with a palette of styles, in addition to just base colors. Click on the pen tool, touch the style you want to draw in, and then draw.
This works already. Just set your drawing tool to using last-set-style, then click (for Calligraphic) or Shift+click (for Pen/Pencil, since they draw with the stroke) on the swatches palette and draw with that color. This is because clicking on the palette sets the last-set-style even if nothing was selected in the image.
Except there's no visual feedback to tell what's going on... and also no way to get more than a color at the moment.
On 4/28/06, Jon A. Cruz <jon@...204...> wrote:
Except there's no visual feedback to tell what's going on...
We discussed the way to give such feedback long ago, and I had an idea, but was too lazy to file a RFE, so now I just implemented it so it's not forgotten :)
Now each object-creating tool has a standard style widget at the right end of its controls bar, reflecting the style that the next created object will have. This gives you an idea of your "brush" before you start drawing, and it updates when you click on the palette with nothing selected. Both last-set and tool-fixed styles are correctly shown, and the widget is updated when you switch between the two.
Now, this thing also needs a text label before it, but I think this could wait until our toolbars are not fixed-width and thus adding stuff does not blow up the window.
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On 29/04/2006, at 11:10 AM, Jon A. Cruz wrote:
On Apr 28, 2006, at 4:09 PM, bulia byak wrote:
On 4/28/06, Daniel Hulme <art@...1790...> wrote:
OK, I see where you're coming from now. Because, in Inkscape, there isn't a 'style I'm currently drawing in',
Why, there's a global "last set style." Some tools use it, others use their own fixed styles (you can change that in prefs).
So perhaps that's not the feature I want. Maybe the feature I want is an easy way to swap the fill style with the stroke style.
In SVN, you right-click the selected style indicator and choose "Swap fill and stroke".
I *think* this is where we might improve functionality with a palette of styles, in addition to just base colors. Click on the pen tool, touch the style you want to draw in, and then draw.
I like the idea of a palette too.
malcolm
So perhaps that's not the feature I want. Maybe the feature I want is an easy way to swap the fill style with the stroke style.
In SVN, you right-click the selected style indicator and choose "Swap fill and stroke".
Wonderful. I suppose I'll just have to wait for that change to percolate through to release.
It's not simple or obvious, but if you assume your users are that easily confused, you'll never produce anything more challenging than an Etch-a-Sketch.
There is really no need to berate users for wanting things to be easier, you might find there is something you haven't thought of and things could be improved. (Google released/bought a 3D drawing program called SketchUp which has some interesting ideas in it. (no not open source, and windows only for now.)
And dont underestimate etch in the hands of somone who knows how to use it http://www.gvetchedintime.com/web/04.jpg
-- Alan
It's not simple or obvious, but if you assume your users are that easily confused, you'll never produce anything more challenging than an Etch-a-Sketch.
There is really no need to berate users for wanting things to be easier,
Who's doing that? I want things to be easier. When I'm sketching, I want to be able to switch between the calligraphy tool and the freehand tool without having to go through and swap which of fill and stroke are turned on. Any feature that accomplishes that is good in my book.
And dont underestimate etch in the hands of somone who knows how to use it http://www.gvetchedintime.com/web/04.jpg
Nice pic, and it makes an interesting point. My request is not for Inkscape to be able to do new things, but to make it easier to do the things it can already do. You can use Inkscape on an Etch-a-Sketch level of complexity if you like, but giving users the option to have more complexity gives them the option to do less work to get the same results.
On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 23:40 +0100, Daniel Hulme wrote:
Who's doing that? I want things to be easier. When I'm sketching, I want to be able to switch between the calligraphy tool and the freehand tool without having to go through and swap which of fill and stroke are turned on. Any feature that accomplishes that is good in my book.
Here's a question: does anyone here ever deliberately use the calligraphy tool with strokes (with or without fills)?
-mental
MenTaLguY wrote:
On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 23:40 +0100, Daniel Hulme wrote:
Who's doing that? I want things to be easier. When I'm sketching, I want to be able to switch between the calligraphy tool and the freehand tool without having to go through and swap which of fill and stroke are turned on. Any feature that accomplishes that is good in my book.
Here's a question: does anyone here ever deliberately use the calligraphy tool with strokes (with or without fills)?
Yep
-Josh
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