Hi Friends, I have a couple of questions about custom grids. I'm more or less familiar with the various extensions, and the 2 regular grids (rectangular and axonomic/isometric). But I was thinking about a couple of....well, probably silly things....but very unusual grids. One thing I want is the axomonic grid, but rotated around....I think would be 30 degrees, so that if you use it to draw a hexagon, the 2 vertical sides are horizontal. And the tiny triangles point up and down instead of side to side. Or a rectangular grid rotated 45 degrees. So instead of tiny squares, it's tiny diamonds. And the other thing I was wondering. Would it be possible, somehow using Guides, to make a grid like that, or even with a star shape? For example, see http://inkscapecommunity.com/jd/ss/sg.png. There I made 3 stars, centered on the same spot, each 50 px larger (or smaller). Then I used Object to Guides. But this would be a tedious process, to say the least, to make a page-size grid. Plus, for the star shape, it makes 2 guides for each of the 5 sides. I understand why, it's just that makes it even more work, to deal with the extra ones....if you were actually considering doing it with guides. Questions: 1 - Would making, let's say an a4 page-size grid, using guides, start to create performance issues, like it would if you used paths? 2 - Otherwise, would making this kind of grid require an extension, or other coding? 3 - Or is there any other way to get an unusual grid like these examples? I mean, a grid that can be snapped to. I realize I could get a photo or other image of a grid and import it. But it wouldn't be snappable.
Thank you very much :-) brynn
Perhaps I have misunderstood, but AFAIK regular pentagons, (and therefore a 5 pointed star) will not tessellate. I assume you know the simple work around to avoid duplicating guides? Also, why do you not run the Grid Extension, rotate the result, then Objects to Guides, and (subject to preference setting) delete the grid?
-u
---- On Mon, 16 May 2016 14:27:09 +0000 Brynn<brynn@...3089...> wrote ----
Hi Friends, I have a couple of questions about custom grids. I'm more or less familiar with the various extensions, and the 2 regular grids (rectangular and axonomic/isometric). But I was thinking about a couple of....well, probably silly things....but very unusual grids. One thing I want is the axomonic grid, but rotated around....I think would be 30 degrees, so that if you use it to draw a hexagon, the 2 vertical sides are horizontal. And the tiny triangles point up and down instead of side to side. Or a rectangular grid rotated 45 degrees. So instead of tiny squares, it's tiny diamonds. And the other thing I was wondering. Would it be possible, somehow using Guides, to make a grid like that, or even with a star shape? For example, see http://inkscapecommunity.com/jd/ss/sg.png. There I made 3 stars, centered on the same spot, each 50 px larger (or smaller). Then I used Object to Guides. But this would be a tedious process, to say the least, to make a page-size grid. Plus, for the star shape, it makes 2 guides for each of the 5 sides. I understand why, it's just that makes it even more work, to deal with the extra ones....if you were actually considering doing it with guides. Questions: 1 - Would making, let's say an a4 page-size grid, using guides, start to create performance issues, like it would if you used paths? 2 - Otherwise, would making this kind of grid require an extension, or other coding? 3 - Or is there any other way to get an unusual grid like these examples? I mean, a grid that can be snapped to. I realize I could get a photo or other image of a grid and import it. But it wouldn't be snappable.
Thank you very much :-) brynn
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Thanks u :-)
"Perhaps I have misunderstood, but AFAIK regular pentagons, (and therefore a 5 pointed star) will not tessellate."
Right! That one would not be a regular kind of pattern. Maybe that makes it not exactly a "grid"...? Mostly I was just curious what it would look like. But if I could use it to snap to, then awesome. (I've been making a lot of abstract but geometric patterns, if that makes sense.)
No, I don't know a workaround to avoid duplicate guides. Unless you mean just dragging them out "manually". How to?
"Also, why do you not run the Grid Extension, rotate the result, then Objects to Guides, and (subject to preference setting) delete the grid?"
Oh, I didn't think of that! That should work for the rotated axonomic grid.
OH! And thinking further, perhaps I could use tiled clones for this. Then use Object to Guides, and delete the clones.
Thanks again, brynn
__________________________________ From: ugajin Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 10:12 AM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] custom grids ("outside the box")
Perhaps I have misunderstood, but AFAIK regular pentagons, (and therefore a 5 pointed star) will not tessellate. I assume you know the simple work around to avoid duplicating guides? Also, why do you not run the Grid Extension, rotate the result, then Objects to Guides, and (subject to preference setting) delete the grid?
-u
---- On Mon, 16 May 2016 14:27:09 +0000 Brynn<brynn@...3089...> wrote ----
Hi Friends, I have a couple of questions about custom grids. I'm more or less familiar with the various extensions, and the 2 regular grids (rectangular and axonomic/isometric). But I was thinking about a couple of....well, probably silly things....but very unusual grids. One thing I want is the axomonic grid, but rotated around....I think would be 30 degrees, so that if you use it to draw a hexagon, the 2 vertical sides are horizontal. And the tiny triangles point up and down instead of side to side. Or a rectangular grid rotated 45 degrees. So instead of tiny squares, it's tiny diamonds. And the other thing I was wondering. Would it be possible, somehow using Guides, to make a grid like that, or even with a star shape? For example, see http://inkscapecommunity.com/jd/ss/sg.png. There I made 3 stars, centered on the same spot, each 50 px larger (or smaller). Then I used Object to Guides. But this would be a tedious process, to say the least, to make a page-size grid. Plus, for the star shape, it makes 2 guides for each of the 5 sides. I understand why, it's just that makes it even more work, to deal with the extra ones....if you were actually considering doing it with guides. Questions: 1 - Would making, let's say an a4 page-size grid, using guides, start to create performance issues, like it would if you used paths? 2 - Otherwise, would making this kind of grid require an extension, or other coding? 3 - Or is there any other way to get an unusual grid like these examples? I mean, a grid that can be snapped to. I realize I could get a photo or other image of a grid and import it. But it wouldn't be snappable.
Thank you very much :-) brynn
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On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 05:18:43PM -0600, Brynn wrote:
Thanks u :-)
"Perhaps I have misunderstood, but AFAIK regular pentagons, (and therefore a 5 pointed star) will not tessellate."
Right! That one would not be a regular kind of pattern. Maybe that makes it not exactly a "grid"...? Mostly I was just curious what it would look like. But if I could use it to snap to, then awesome. (I've been making a lot of abstract but geometric patterns, if that makes sense.)
It's possible to make a periodic pentagon tesselation ont of congruent, but irregular pentagons.
It's possible to tesselate (curced) regular pentagons on the surface of a sphere. You get soething like a dodecahedron.
And have a look as Penrose tilings.
-- hendrik
No, I don't know a workaround to avoid duplicate guides. Unless you mean just dragging them out "manually". How to?
"Also, why do you not run the Grid Extension, rotate the result, then Objects to Guides, and (subject to preference setting) delete the grid?"
Oh, I didn't think of that! That should work for the rotated axonomic grid.
OH! And thinking further, perhaps I could use tiled clones for this. Then use Object to Guides, and delete the clones.
Thanks again, brynn
From: ugajin Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 10:12 AM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] custom grids ("outside the box")
Perhaps I have misunderstood, but AFAIK regular pentagons, (and therefore a 5 pointed star) will not tessellate. I assume you know the simple work around to avoid duplicating guides? Also, why do you not run the Grid Extension, rotate the result, then Objects to Guides, and (subject to preference setting) delete the grid?
-u
---- On Mon, 16 May 2016 14:27:09 +0000 Brynn<brynn@...3089...> wrote ----
Hi Friends, I have a couple of questions about custom grids. I'm more or less familiar with the various extensions, and the 2 regular grids (rectangular and axonomic/isometric). But I was thinking about a couple of....well, probably silly things....but very unusual grids. One thing I want is the axomonic grid, but rotated around....I think would be 30 degrees, so that if you use it to draw a hexagon, the 2 vertical sides are horizontal. And the tiny triangles point up and down instead of side to side. Or a rectangular grid rotated 45 degrees. So instead of tiny squares, it's tiny diamonds. And the other thing I was wondering. Would it be possible, somehow using Guides, to make a grid like that, or even with a star shape? For example, see http://inkscapecommunity.com/jd/ss/sg.png. There I made 3 stars, centered on the same spot, each 50 px larger (or smaller). Then I used Object to Guides. But this would be a tedious process, to say the least, to make a page-size grid. Plus, for the star shape, it makes 2 guides for each of the 5 sides. I understand why, it's just that makes it even more work, to deal with the extra ones....if you were actually considering doing it with guides. Questions: 1 - Would making, let's say an a4 page-size grid, using guides, start to create performance issues, like it would if you used paths? 2 - Otherwise, would making this kind of grid require an extension, or other coding? 3 - Or is there any other way to get an unusual grid like these examples? I mean, a grid that can be snapped to. I realize I could get a photo or other image of a grid and import it. But it wouldn't be snappable.
Thank you very much :-) brynn
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Convert (star) Object to Path, and with all nodes selected, run break paths at selected nodes, and then Break Apart. You can then select just 5 path segments before running Objects to Guides.
Regards
-u
---- On Tue, 17 May 2016 23:18:43 +0000 Brynn<brynn@...3089...> wrote ----
Thanks u :-)
"Perhaps I have misunderstood, but AFAIK regular pentagons, (and therefore a 5 pointed star) will not tessellate."
Right! That one would not be a regular kind of pattern. Maybe that makes it not exactly a "grid"...? Mostly I was just curious what it would look like. But if I could use it to snap to, then awesome. (I've been making a lot of abstract but geometric patterns, if that makes sense.)
No, I don't know a workaround to avoid duplicate guides. Unless you mean just dragging them out "manually". How to?
"Also, why do you not run the Grid Extension, rotate the result, then Objects to Guides, and (subject to preference setting) delete the grid?"
Oh, I didn't think of that! That should work for the rotated axonomic grid.
OH! And thinking further, perhaps I could use tiled clones for this. Then use Object to Guides, and delete the clones.
Thanks again, brynn
__________________________________ From: ugajin Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 10:12 AM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] custom grids ("outside the box")
Perhaps I have misunderstood, but AFAIK regular pentagons, (and therefore a 5 pointed star) will not tessellate. I assume you know the simple work around to avoid duplicating guides? Also, why do you not run the Grid Extension, rotate the result, then Objects to Guides, and (subject to preference setting) delete the grid?
-u
---- On Mon, 16 May 2016 14:27:09 +0000 Brynn<brynn@...3089...> wrote ----
Hi Friends, I have a couple of questions about custom grids. I'm more or less familiar with the various extensions, and the 2 regular grids (rectangular and axonomic/isometric). But I was thinking about a couple of....well, probably silly things....but very unusual grids. One thing I want is the axomonic grid, but rotated around....I think would be 30 degrees, so that if you use it to draw a hexagon, the 2 vertical sides are horizontal. And the tiny triangles point up and down instead of side to side. Or a rectangular grid rotated 45 degrees. So instead of tiny squares, it's tiny diamonds. And the other thing I was wondering. Would it be possible, somehow using Guides, to make a grid like that, or even with a star shape? For example, see http://inkscapecommunity.com/jd/ss/sg.png. There I made 3 stars, centered on the same spot, each 50 px larger (or smaller). Then I used Object to Guides. But this would be a tedious process, to say the least, to make a page-size grid. Plus, for the star shape, it makes 2 guides for each of the 5 sides. I understand why, it's just that makes it even more work, to deal with the extra ones....if you were actually considering doing it with guides. Questions: 1 - Would making, let's say an a4 page-size grid, using guides, start to create performance issues, like it would if you used paths? 2 - Otherwise, would making this kind of grid require an extension, or other coding? 3 - Or is there any other way to get an unusual grid like these examples? I mean, a grid that can be snapped to. I realize I could get a photo or other image of a grid and import it. But it wouldn't be snappable.
Thank you very much :-) brynn
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Oh, ok. Thanks u _____________________ From: ugajin Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 1:15 AM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] custom grids ("outside the box")
Convert (star) Object to Path, and with all nodes selected, run break paths at selected nodes, and then Break Apart. You can then select just 5 path segments before running Objects to Guides.
Regards
-u
---- On Tue, 17 May 2016 23:18:43 +0000 Brynn<brynn@...3089...> wrote ----
Thanks u :-)
"Perhaps I have misunderstood, but AFAIK regular pentagons, (and therefore a 5 pointed star) will not tessellate."
Right! That one would not be a regular kind of pattern. Maybe that makes it not exactly a "grid"...? Mostly I was just curious what it would look like. But if I could use it to snap to, then awesome. (I've been making a lot of abstract but geometric patterns, if that makes sense.)
No, I don't know a workaround to avoid duplicate guides. Unless you mean just dragging them out "manually". How to?
"Also, why do you not run the Grid Extension, rotate the result, then Objects to Guides, and (subject to preference setting) delete the grid?"
Oh, I didn't think of that! That should work for the rotated axonomic grid.
OH! And thinking further, perhaps I could use tiled clones for this. Then use Object to Guides, and delete the clones.
Thanks again, brynn
__________________________________ From: ugajin Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 10:12 AM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] custom grids ("outside the box")
Perhaps I have misunderstood, but AFAIK regular pentagons, (and therefore a 5 pointed star) will not tessellate. I assume you know the simple work around to avoid duplicating guides? Also, why do you not run the Grid Extension, rotate the result, then Objects to Guides, and (subject to preference setting) delete the grid?
-u
---- On Mon, 16 May 2016 14:27:09 +0000 Brynn<brynn@...3089...> wrote ----
Hi Friends, I have a couple of questions about custom grids. I'm more or less familiar with the various extensions, and the 2 regular grids (rectangular and axonomic/isometric). But I was thinking about a couple of....well, probably silly things....but very unusual grids. One thing I want is the axomonic grid, but rotated around....I think would be 30 degrees, so that if you use it to draw a hexagon, the 2 vertical sides are horizontal. And the tiny triangles point up and down instead of side to side. Or a rectangular grid rotated 45 degrees. So instead of tiny squares, it's tiny diamonds. And the other thing I was wondering. Would it be possible, somehow using Guides, to make a grid like that, or even with a star shape? For example, see http://inkscapecommunity.com/jd/ss/sg.png. There I made 3 stars, centered on the same spot, each 50 px larger (or smaller). Then I used Object to Guides. But this would be a tedious process, to say the least, to make a page-size grid. Plus, for the star shape, it makes 2 guides for each of the 5 sides. I understand why, it's just that makes it even more work, to deal with the extra ones....if you were actually considering doing it with guides. Questions: 1 - Would making, let's say an a4 page-size grid, using guides, start to create performance issues, like it would if you used paths? 2 - Otherwise, would making this kind of grid require an extension, or other coding? 3 - Or is there any other way to get an unusual grid like these examples? I mean, a grid that can be snapped to. I realize I could get a photo or other image of a grid and import it. But it wouldn't be snappable.
Thank you very much :-) brynn
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