I would like to congratulate the developers for putting out a wonderful program.
I have been using inkscape pre-releases downloaded from http://inkscape.modevia.com/ap/?M=D. Presently I am using the inkscape20080328rev18054AOCV.package.
After the release, I checked out the above site for the autopackage as well as http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93438, but could not find a pre-built version for linux. We find versions for MAC and Windows, but not for linux. I know, we can wait for the distros to release the program, but I have not found that in debian sid till date.
Is there a place from where I can get the inkscape 0.46 for debian sid/lenny?
Regards,
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 08:37 +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote:
Is there a place from where I can get the inkscape 0.46 for debian sid/lenny?
There is no official place that I know of. We're talking with some folks at Debian to get this fixed. For now, I think it's highly likely that the Ubuntu PPA packages would work on Debian. You might have to rebuild them as they may have pulled in some deps that are not required but included in Hardy.
--Ted
Ted Gould wrote the following on 4/8/2008 12:22 PM:
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 08:37 +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote:
Is there a place from where I can get the inkscape 0.46 for debian sid/lenny?
There is no official place that I know of. We're talking with some folks at Debian to get this fixed. For now, I think it's highly likely that the Ubuntu PPA packages would work on Debian. You might have to rebuild them as they may have pulled in some deps that are not required but included in Hardy.
--Ted
Ted,
I somewhat know what the OP is going through. I too had to wait (because we are an impatient bunch) until somebody built a package (rpm) for openSUSE 10.3 before I could enjoy the latest release if Inkscape. Of course I was able to get Inkscape 0.46 right away on my Ubuntu installs, unfortunately, Ubuntu isn't my primary desktop distro (although that may change soon).
My problem was that I didn't know who to contact regarding making a package specific to my distribution. Within the Inkscape development community, are there point people from other distributions that you guys contact for this sort of thing? I think we can almost guarantee Ubuntu packages will be built right away but what about the openSUSE, Fedora, Mandriva, and Debian crowd, just to name a few? Perhaps this is why the autopackages are built?
This is something that I have always been curious about.
heathenx
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 14:34 -0500, heathenx wrote:
My problem was that I didn't know who to contact regarding making a package specific to my distribution. Within the Inkscape development community, are there point people from other distributions that you guys contact for this sort of thing? I think we can almost guarantee Ubuntu packages will be built right away but what about the openSUSE, Fedora, Mandriva, and Debian crowd, just to name a few? Perhaps this is why the autopackages are built?
This is something that I have always been curious about.
Usually every distribution has someone who takes care of packaging for their specific distribution. While Inkscape as a project tries to work with these folks and make sure their lives are easy, many of them aren't involved with Inkscape or on the mailing lists. Most distributions (I'm not sure about all) usually have a way to submit a bug on the package in a way to show that an upstream version is available and not packaged. I'd submit that bug to them.
Also, I'd say that we'd prefer if you'd start submitting bugs when the pre-releases start. One of the goals of the pre-releases is to ensure that packagers have everything they need in the tarballs to do their jobs. If they don't package them, we don't get that very important feedback from the pre-releases.
Ubuntu sometimes seems to be favored because there several people who are active in the Inkscape community who are also active in the Ubuntu community. That isn't our intention, and we'd love for other distros to get more involved in the Inkscape community, it just happens to be the way things are today.
--Ted
I've added the Suse packages to the Inkscape front page. Thanks Heathenx for mentioning it.
If anyone hears about packages for other platforms, please let us know a URL.
Cheers,
Rygle.
Am Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 schrieb rygle:
I've added the Suse packages to the Inkscape front page. Thanks Heathenx for mentioning it.
But those are not official packages. I have to manage a company working group here and don't want to take the risk of installing unofficial stuff.
Does anyone know who to whom I could write at SuSE.org in order to make them get 0.46 into the official tree?
Cheerz, Lars
Hi Lars,
The only reason the packages are called unnofficial on our download page is because they are not officially built by the Inkscape team. This is because we don't have the internal resources, mainly people who are experienced in the operating system. It doesn't mean they aren't official on the part of Suse, and in fact they are on a Suse website, with some of them marked as not working and others having a big green tick indicating that they work properly.
I think the only real problem with any of these packages would be whether the correct version of the dependencies, ie: the extra programs (like cairo to handle graphics/printing and poppler to read PDF's) that the inkscape code depends on, are there in the system. The packages for Suse Linux 11 would have the appropriate dependencies, while the 10.3 package would probably have more dependencies included in the package as it is an older version of Suse.
I don't have Suse Linux myself, but my educated guess would be that these Suse packages would not have a tick unless all the dependencies are pretty much sorted out. Even if they are not 100% sorted, it will only affect minor elements of Inkscape's overall functionality.
I would be interested to hear from others on their experiences with these packages. Heanthenx??
Same goes for other systems, particularly Fedora - are the instructions on the Inkscape front page and download page correct, and what is your experience with the packages?
Cheers,
Rygle.
Am Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 schrieb rygle:
I don't have Suse Linux myself, but my educated guess would be that these Suse packages would not have a tick unless all the dependencies are pretty much sorted out. Even if they are not 100% sorted, it will only affect minor elements of Inkscape's overall functionality.
I would be interested to hear from others on their experiences with these packages. Heanthenx??
Same goes for other systems, particularly Fedora - are the instructions on the Inkscape front page and download page correct, and what is your experience with the packages?
Just to clarify: OpenSuSE has three official packages branches: oss, non-oss, and update (plus a half-official one, called packman).
Additionally SuSE offers somthing called "build service" where one can provide self-built packages which didn't already make it into the official tree. This is nice, but when you have to take care of a lot of clients you cannot add a new package repository everytime that an actualized version of a program is out.
First, this means work. Second, this will get confusing very soon. And third, there still is a rest of risk as it's not officially SuSE who's providing the packages.
For that reasons my aim would be to make the SuSE responsables to bring 0.46 into the official tree.
Cheerz, Lars
Well, so far so good. I run openSUSE 10.3 at home and the rpm for Inkscape 0.46 that I got from this repo, http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/jnweiger/openSUSE_10.3/i586, works flawlessly as far as I can tell. No crashes, no power exits. Seems as stable as 0.45 was. I have used several of the new features and all of them work fine as far as I can tell. The perspective effect has always been a problem for me and most Suse users I imagine. It worked right out of the box, although, I might have already met a dependency somewhere.
I tried compiling Inkscape myself and I tried making an rpm. In both cases I was unsuccessful. I think it was due to not converting the .spec file properly. Ubuntu/Debian and Suse packages have slightly different names so I am sure that I biffed something up there. Best to keep packaging to the experienced anyway (although I am curious about packaging).
I don't have a problem with the Inkscape devs referring to this rpm as "unofficial" for the already stated reasons and I'm happy to see that it has been included on the Inkscape website. However, Lars, this is as "official" as we're going to get at the moment.
heathenx
rygle wrote the following on 4/10/2008 2:26 AM:
Hi Lars,
The only reason the packages are called unnofficial on our download page is because they are not officially built by the Inkscape team. This is because we don't have the internal resources, mainly people who are experienced in the operating system. It doesn't mean they aren't official on the part of Suse, and in fact they are on a Suse website, with some of them marked as not working and others having a big green tick indicating that they work properly.
I think the only real problem with any of these packages would be whether the correct version of the dependencies, ie: the extra programs (like cairo to handle graphics/printing and poppler to read PDF's) that the inkscape code depends on, are there in the system. The packages for Suse Linux 11 would have the appropriate dependencies, while the 10.3 package would probably have more dependencies included in the package as it is an older version of Suse.
I don't have Suse Linux myself, but my educated guess would be that these Suse packages would not have a tick unless all the dependencies are pretty much sorted out. Even if they are not 100% sorted, it will only affect minor elements of Inkscape's overall functionality.
I would be interested to hear from others on their experiences with these packages. Heanthenx??
Same goes for other systems, particularly Fedora - are the instructions on the Inkscape front page and download page correct, and what is your experience with the packages?
Cheers,
Rygle.
Am Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 schrieb heathenx:
I don't have a problem with the Inkscape devs referring to this rpm as "unofficial" for the already stated reasons and I'm happy to see that it has been included on the Inkscape website. However, Lars, this is as "official" as we're going to get at the moment.
Yeah, sure fine enough!
And if it would be about a single-pc-installation or home use, this would be fine for me. But as I stated in my other mail, I have to deal with a bunch of clients.
I didn't mean *Inkscape.org* to make an official package, but *SuSE*. And my only question was, if there is someone here, who maybe has contact to SuSE or knows whom to write to....
Cheerz, Lars
Lars Behrens wrote:
I didn't mean *Inkscape.org* to make an official package, but *SuSE*. And my only question was, if there is someone here, who maybe has contact to SuSE or knows whom to write to....
I don't know of any such person in out community. But I do know we would all like to see a stronger connection to SuSE. Would you be willing to server in this capacity for a time?
Aaron Spike
Lars Behrens wrote:
Would you be willing to server in this capacity for a time?
Contact and work with the SuSE community as an advocate for Inkscape. Encouraging them to package the new release. Doing whatever will make you and the rest of the SuSE Inkscape users happy.
Aaron Spike
Am Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 schrieb Aaron Spike:
Lars Behrens wrote:
Would you be willing to server in this capacity for a time?
Contact and work with the SuSE community as an advocate for Inkscape. Encouraging them to package the new release. Doing whatever will make you and the rest of the SuSE Inkscape users happy.
Yepp. I see what I can do.
http://en.opensuse.org/Wishlist_Multimedia http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.suse/browse_thread/thread/f9a78d...
Cheerz, Lars
Lars Behrens wrote the following on 4/10/2008 8:14 AM:
Am Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 schrieb Aaron Spike:
Lars Behrens wrote:
Would you be willing to server in this capacity for a time?
Contact and work with the SuSE community as an advocate for Inkscape. Encouraging them to package the new release. Doing whatever will make you and the rest of the SuSE Inkscape users happy.
Yepp. I see what I can do.
http://en.opensuse.org/Wishlist_Multimedia http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.suse/browse_thread/thread/f9a78d...
Cheerz, Lars
I have emailed Juergen Weigert, the fellow who made the Inkscape 0.46 rpm for openSUSE 10.3 regarding some of the things that we discussed here in the mailing list. Perhaps he'll have some insight.
heathenx
Am Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 schrieb heathenx:
I have emailed Juergen Weigert, the fellow who made the Inkscape 0.46 rpm for openSUSE 10.3 regarding some of the things that we discussed here in the mailing list. Perhaps he'll have some insight.
Thx!
I posted to the german suse users mailing list.
Cheerz, Lars
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