Claus,
Is Discreet Paint the same thing as Satori Paint?
I've never used Discreet or Satori Paint, but my google search for "Discreet Paint" came up with some hits for "Satori Paint" as well. It seems to do what you describe, including the spline animation. Same product maybe?
- Tony
Tony Vigil wrote:
Claus,
Is Discreet Paint the same thing as Satori Paint?
No, Satori Paint is a different application. I once had a demo version of paint*, and the interface was much better than what I could see in the screenshots of Satori Paint. paint* was basically a high-end application.
Greetings,
Claus
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 03:19:55PM -0700, Tony Vigil wrote:
Claus,
Is Discreet Paint the same thing as Satori Paint?
I've never used Discreet or Satori Paint, but my google search for "Discreet Paint" came up with some hits for "Satori Paint" as well. It seems to do what you describe, including the spline animation. Same product maybe?
No.
Satori Paint is it's own thing.
Discreet Paint refers to a motion paint program that Discreet Logic (later renamed Discreet, then later renamed Autodesk Media & Entertainment) sold for a fairly brief time after they bought it fron Denim Software and before they replaced it with Combustion.
As far as using splines for masks for bitmap images, I believe that Photoshop allows you to do this. One thing that some programs allow is better feathering control, which I don't believe Photoshop has (and I know that After Effects doesn't). In a program like Commotion, you have two closed splines, and inner and an outer. The inner is a solid, and in between the inner and the outer, the mask fades out, allowing you to set a hard mask on one edge of an object, but a soft mask on the other side, rather than everything being hard or soft.
I would have thought that the Gimp had spline masks by some means, but maybe they don't. Or maybe they do but they aren't as editable, or aren't savable or something. Using Inkscape to create masks strikes me as really clunky, although it is great the someone was able to get their work done using it.
I wonder if there is a way to add a masking tool like I describe to inkscape. I suspect that in the context of vector illustration there would be plenty of other uses for it.
Joshua Boyd wrote:
I would have thought that the Gimp had spline masks by some means, but maybe they don't. Or maybe they do but they aren't as editable, or aren't savable or something. Using Inkscape to create masks strikes me as really clunky, although it is great the someone was able to get their work done using it.
The approach is more flexible in Inkscape as a spline remains a spline, a vector object. In The GIMP or Photoshop you have to convert it to a path, because they only handle bitmap objects. And once it's drawn, you can't edit the spline anymore. You have to draw a new one, unless you saved it.
I wonder if there is a way to add a masking tool like I describe to inkscape. I suspect that in the context of vector illustration there would be plenty of other uses for it.
But Inkscape supports masks ! You can define a vector object as a mask. For example use a circle as a mask for a box so it has a hole, a bit like include/exclude in CAD.
On Thu, 31 May 2007 19:00:17 +0200, "Jean-Marc Molina" <jmmolina@...206...> wrote:
I wonder if there is a way to add a masking tool like I describe to inkscape. I suspect that in the context of vector illustration there would be plenty of other uses for it.
But Inkscape supports masks ! You can define a vector object as a mask. For example use a circle as a mask for a box so it has a hole, a bit like include/exclude in CAD.
The feature most applicable is called "clipping paths", but yes. Masks are similar, but rather than creating a sharp cutout based on the geometry of a path, they are based on the path's rendering and can vary in intensity.
-mental
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 07:00:17PM +0200, Jean-Marc Molina wrote:
Joshua Boyd wrote:
I would have thought that the Gimp had spline masks by some means, but maybe they don't. Or maybe they do but they aren't as editable, or aren't savable or something. Using Inkscape to create masks strikes me as really clunky, although it is great the someone was able to get their work done using it.
The approach is more flexible in Inkscape as a spline remains a spline, a vector object. In The GIMP or Photoshop you have to convert it to a path, because they only handle bitmap objects. And once it's drawn, you can't edit the spline anymore. You have to draw a new one, unless you saved it.
I wonder if there is a way to add a masking tool like I describe to inkscape. I suspect that in the context of vector illustration there would be plenty of other uses for it.
But Inkscape supports masks ! You can define a vector object as a mask. For example use a circle as a mask for a box so it has a hole, a bit like include/exclude in CAD.
But the tool I described wasn't just a mask. It was a mask with variation to the feathering around the boundaries. Rather than a fixed n-pixels of feathering, a second mask controlled the feathering amount, and that isn't what I've seen in inkscape.
Hi Jean-Marc,
Jean-Marc Molina wrote:
The approach is more flexible in Inkscape as a spline remains a spline, a vector object. In The GIMP or Photoshop you have to convert it to a path,
Isn't a path vectorized, as well?
But Inkscape supports masks ! You can define a vector object as a mask. For example use a circle as a mask for a box so it has a hole, a bit like include/exclude in CAD.
I'm still using Inkscape 0.42, because I'm having difficulties to upgrade from Ubuntu "Breezy" to "Edgy" (where newer libraries are available), but I'm really waiting to try the latest Inkscape version (masks? wow!) with new features like the Gaussian Blur, etc.
I basically stumbled onto this approach (bitmap editing) after using a demo version of discreet's paint*.
Thanks,
Claus
Claus Cyrny a écrit :
Hi Jean-Marc,
Jean-Marc Molina wrote:
The approach is more flexible in Inkscape as a spline remains a spline, a vector object. In The GIMP or Photoshop you have to convert it to a path,
Isn't a path vectorized, as well?
But Inkscape supports masks ! You can define a vector object as a mask. For example use a circle as a mask for a box so it has a hole, a bit like include/exclude in CAD.
I'm still using Inkscape 0.42, because I'm having difficulties to upgrade from Ubuntu "Breezy" to "Edgy" (where newer libraries are available), but I'm really waiting to try the latest Inkscape version (masks? wow!) with new features like the Gaussian Blur, etc.
I basically stumbled onto this approach (bitmap editing) after using a demo version of discreet's paint*.
Thanks,
Claus
Claus,
Have you tried installing the autopackage of Inkscape? It works really well. I haven't tested the latest autopackage in Breezy, but it would be easy for you to see if it works. If it doesn't, it's also really easy to uninstall (like uninstalling an Ubuntu package) and reinstall the Ubuntu package.
Cheers, Loïc
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