3:02 p.m.
Hello,
I do not know if this is the right place for my questions. I did
not find a better possibility.
Cordially
Daniel
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3:09 p.m.
Daniel Drijard wrote:
Hello,
I do not know if this is the right place for my questions. I did not
find a better possibility.
Cordially
Daniel
It depends on the question. If it is, "What is the meaning of life?"
then no it isn't. Not that you might not get lots of answers, just that
none of them would be useful. But if it's about Inkscape, you might get
useful answers.
Or you could try the forums: http://www.inkscapeforum.com/
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Shawn
Programming is as much about organization and communication
as it is about coding.
Regardless of how small the crowd is, there is always one in
it who has to find out the hard way that the laws of physics
applies to them too.
3:23 p.m.
:) There is an attachment in the original message :D
2009/7/21 Shawn H. Corey <shawnhcorey@...155...>
It depends on the question. If it is, "What is the meaning of life?"
then no it isn't. Not that you might not get lots of answers, just that
none of them would be useful. But if it's about Inkscape, you might get
useful answers.
Or you could try the forums: http://www.inkscapeforum.com/
3:25 p.m.
You might want to check out his attachment
On Jul 21, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Shawn H. Corey wrote:
Daniel Drijard wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I do not know if this is the right place for my questions. I did
> not
> find a better possibility.
>
> Cordially
> Daniel
It depends on the question. If it is, "What is the meaning of life?"
then no it isn't. Not that you might not get lots of answers, just
that
none of them would be useful. But if it's about Inkscape, you might
get
useful answers.
Or you could try the forums: http://www.inkscapeforum.com/
--
Just my 0.00000002 million dollars worth,
Shawn
Programming is as much about organization and communication
as it is about coding.
Regardless of how small the crowd is, there is always one in
it who has to find out the hard way that the laws of physics
applies to them too.
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3:34 p.m.
New subject: Questions about questions (WAS: (no subject))
Stuart Edwards wrote:
You might want to check out his attachment
No, I don't open *.doc attachments, they may contain viruses.
Valid attachments are; *.txt, *.pdf, *.svg
Everything else is ignored.
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Just my 0.00000002 million dollars worth,
Shawn
Programming is as much about organization and communication
as it is about coding.
Regardless of how small the crowd is, there is always one in
it who has to find out the hard way that the laws of physics
applies to them too.
4:07 p.m.
Daniel Drijard wrote:
Hello,
I do not know if this is the right place for my questions. I did not
find a better possibility.
Cordially
Daniel
Daniel's attachement reads:
A friend and me have developed a genealogy program to handle
relationships between members of a family. It has a component to provide
a graphical representation. The corresponding drawings file is input to
a separate program which allows to adjust them in various ways and a
subsequent output file may be read by the genealogy program.
We are particle physicists, with a very long experience in the FORTRAN
language which allows us to program whatever we need in terms of
calculations and logical relations. We consider essentially Macintosh.
We used pre-OSX systems but now convert to a more widely accessible
environment (such as RealBasic).
The genealogy program is under our responsibility but for the separate
program handling drawings we relied on ClarisWorks. This program
fulfilled totally our needs but did not survive. The last usable version
is ClarisWorks-4 (and its transposition ClarisWorks-4 on Windows), all
other later versions are useless for our needs. The underlying format is
PICT (from QuickDraw).
Thus we need a program to replace ClarisWorks, for its vectorial
functionalities. Hence we question if InkScape can fit our needs :
1-ability to read/write in a format that may be easily used
-the PICT format from the old QuickDraw IS easy and well documented
unfortunately it is virtually abandonned (to our knowledge)
-the PDF format IS NOT easy, multiple versions exist which fool
the various interpreters. There exists a fairly large book dated 2000
which is probabably now fairly useless (outdated)
-the SVG format is used by InkScape
does it need a navigator ?
if so, which protection exists against frequent modifications of the
navigators and the underlying format (s). It is most annoying that
navigators are incompatible with each other … and with the version
they used yesterday !
2-ability to modify graphical objects
-add/suppress/change simple objects
-text, lines, rectangles, circles (ellipses or any ovals)
-copy/paste pictures from a Resource file (or another medium)
4:38 p.m.
New subject: Questions about questions (WAS: (no subject))
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:34:38AM -0400, Shawn H. Corey wrote:
No, I don't open *.doc attachments, they may contain viruses.
Any file can contain a virus. The only useful question is does the
program you're opening the file in have any exploitable vulnerabilities.
MS Word has shown that it's pretty happy to run whatever code it finds,
as in fact most programs are. I particularly like:
http://www.coyotos.org/download/WebInstall.html
Valid attachments are; *.txt, *.pdf, *.svg
Plain text files are normally OK, but Adobe Acrobat has been the subject
of exploitable bugs[1] and SVG interpreters are just as complicated.
Given that your email comes from a Thunderbird running on a Unix box
(or at least it says it's running through an X connection) a better
reason would be that you prefer not to use proprietary file formats. If
it's not the file format you mind about then I've had good luck with
OpenOffice and antiword--the latter should be simple enough not to have
too many exploitable vulnerabilities.
Everything else is ignored.
I'd love to live in a world like that!
--
Sam http://samason.me.uk/
[1] http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/techalerts/TA09-161A.html
5:01 p.m.
New subject: Replacing ClariWorks with Inkscape (WAS: (no subject))
Aaron Spike wrote:
Daniel's attachement reads:
Thank you.
A friend and me have developed a genealogy program to handle
relationships between members of a family. It has a component to provide
a graphical representation. The corresponding drawings file is input to
a separate program which allows to adjust them in various ways and a
subsequent output file may be read by the genealogy program.
We are particle physicists, with a very long experience in the FORTRAN
language which allows us to program whatever we need in terms of
calculations and logical relations. We consider essentially Macintosh.
We used pre-OSX systems but now convert to a more widely accessible
environment (such as RealBasic).
The genealogy program is under our responsibility but for the separate
program handling drawings we relied on ClarisWorks. This program
fulfilled totally our needs but did not survive. The last usable version
is ClarisWorks-4 (and its transposition ClarisWorks-4 on Windows), all
other later versions are useless for our needs. The underlying format is
PICT (from QuickDraw).
Thus we need a program to replace ClarisWorks, for its vectorial
functionalities. Hence we question if InkScape can fit our needs :
1-ability to read/write in a format that may be easily used
-the PICT format from the old QuickDraw IS easy and well documented
unfortunately it is virtually abandonned (to our knowledge)
-the PDF format IS NOT easy, multiple versions exist which fool
the various interpreters. There exists a fairly large book dated 2000
which is probabably now fairly useless (outdated)
-the SVG format is used by InkScape
does it need a navigator ?
if so, which protection exists against frequent modifications of the
navigators and the underlying format (s). It is most annoying that
navigators are incompatible with each other … and with the version
they used yesterday !
2-ability to modify graphical objects
-add/suppress/change simple objects
-text, lines, rectangles, circles (ellipses or any ovals)
-copy/paste pictures from a Resource file (or another medium)
SVG is a standard created and maintained by the World-Wide Web
Consortium or W3C, http://www.w3.org/ It is an XML-based standard and
is modifiable by any XML editor or text editor (if you know how to write
raw XML files, that is).
What you haven't made clear is whether your process is mostly manual or
automatic. Inkscape is a drawing application. It allows people to
easily create and modify SVG drawings. It has limited ability for
automatic function via the command line.
Without further clarification, I think I can give a definite answer of
maybe to your questions.
--
Just my 0.00000002 million dollars worth,
Shawn
Programming is as much about organization and communication
as it is about coding.
Regardless of how small the crowd is, there is always one in
it who has to find out the hard way that the laws of physics
applies to them too.
5:20 p.m.
New subject: Questions about questions (WAS: (no subject))
Sam Mason wrote:
Given that your email comes from a Thunderbird running on a Unix box
(or at least it says it's running through an X connection) a better
reason would be that you prefer not to use proprietary file formats.
The thing about viruses is that they don't have to infect your machine
to propagate. You could have a document with a virus, back it up,
delete it from your machine and years later, retrieve it and send it to
someone else who's machine it infects. Just like real viruses, computer
ones can lie dormant for years, even decades (they haven't been around
for centuries yet), and still infect others.
I also dislike using propriety file formats, well, propriety anything
and avoid them.
--
Just my 0.00000002 million dollars worth,
Shawn
Programming is as much about organization and communication
as it is about coding.
Regardless of how small the crowd is, there is always one in
it who has to find out the hard way that the laws of physics
applies to them too.
6:45 a.m.
New subject: Replacing ClarisWorks-vectorial with Inkscape
The subject "Replacing ClarisWorks-vectorial with Inkscape" is best
suited, hence I update the subject line. It is however limited to the
graphics (vectorial) part of ClarisWorks or earlier ClarisDraw (both
dead without valid successors).
Aaron Spike wrote:
> Daniel's attachement reads:
Thank you.
>
> A friend and me have developed a genealogy program to handle
> relationships between members of a family. It has a component to provide
> a graphical representation. The corresponding drawings file is input to
> a separate program which allows to adjust them in various ways and a
> subsequent output file may be read by the genealogy program.
> We are particle physicists, with a very long experience in the FORTRAN
> language which allows us to program whatever we need in terms of
> calculations and logical relations. We consider essentially Macintosh.
> We used pre-OSX systems but now convert to a more widely accessible
> environment (such as RealBasic).
> The genealogy program is under our responsibility but for the separate
> program handling drawings we relied on ClarisWorks. This program
> fulfilled totally our needs but did not survive. The last usable version
> is ClarisWorks-4 (and its transposition ClarisWorks-4 on Windows), all
> other later versions are useless for our needs. The underlying format is
> PICT (from QuickDraw).
>
> Thus we need a program to replace ClarisWorks, for its vectorial
> functionalities. Hence we question if InkScape can fit our needs :
> 1-ability to read/write in a format that may be easily used
> -the PICT format from the old
>QuickDraw IS easy and well documented
> unfortunately it is
>virtually abandonned (to our knowledge)
> -the PDF format IS NOT easy, multiple versions exist which fool
> the various interpreters.
>There exists a fairly large book dated 2000
> which is probabably now fairly useless (outdated)
> -the SVG format is used by InkScape
> does it need a navigator ?
> if so, which protection
>exists against frequent modifications of the
> navigators and
>the underlying format (s). It is most annoying
>that
> navigators are
>incompatible with each other and with the
>version
> they used yesterday !
> 2-ability to modify graphical objects
> -add/suppress/change simple objects
> -text, lines, rectangles,
>circles (ellipses or any ovals)
> -copy/paste pictures from a Resource file (or another medium)
>
SVG is a standard created and maintained by the World-Wide Web
Consortium or W3C, http://www.w3.org/ It is an XML-based standard and
is modifiable by any XML editor or text editor (if you know how to write
raw XML files, that is).
What you haven't made clear is whether your process is mostly manual or
automatic. Inkscape is a drawing application. It allows people to
easily create and modify SVG drawings. It has limited ability for
automatic function via the command line.
Our processing is:
-partly automatic, in the sense that we generated a drawing as
a .pict file (using QuickDraw in pre-OSX era) using data collected
by our program
-partly manual, in the sense that we modify the above drawing adding
graphical elements directly "hand-generated" or by means of copy
paste from other drawings or pictures.
We do not use command lines. It is already pretty difficult to get people
approaching a computer mouse ... the keyboard is even more difficult! More
seriously, we do not aim at people familiar with UNIX.
To be clearer, if needed, the subject as it is mentioned at the beginning
is perfectly adequate. If I had the time for it and if I were competent
enough to handle the present Apple tools (I'm getting too old to update
myself) I would create such an application and ,I suspect, I would find
clients for it as I see many customers asking for AppleWorks ... which
was not able to replace ClarisWoirks properly.
Cordially
Daniel
Without further clarification, I think I can give a definite answer of
maybe to your questions.
--
Just my 0.00000002 million dollars worth,
Shawn
Programming is as much about organization and communication
as it is about coding.
Regardless of how small the crowd is, there is always one in
it who has to find out the hard way that the laws of physics
applies to them too.
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3:19 p.m.
New subject: Replacing ClariWorks with Inkscape (WAS: (no subject))
If Inkscape could open ClarisDraw and ClarisImpact files I would be
deeply grateful, impressed and owe a beverage to the developer/s who
implemented this magic.
I have a client with a bunch of archived files they can't access because
they no longer have a working old mac or version of the software.
I have started recreating some of these old diagrams by hand in
Inkscape, working from paper print outs... if there was some magical way
to open them in Inkscape and save to SVG - oh my!
:)
cheers
Donna
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Inkscape: Open Source Scalable Vector Graphics
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4:19 p.m.
New subject: Replacing ClariWorks with Inkscape (WAS: (no subject))
Finding the old software is certainly not a problem (though I do
not know ClarisImpact). I am surprised that finding an old mac is
difficult.
Cordially
Daniel
If Inkscape could open ClarisDraw and ClarisImpact files I would be
deeply grateful, impressed and owe a beverage to the developer/s who
implemented this magic.
I have a client with a bunch of archived files they can't access because
they no longer have a working old mac or version of the software.
I have started recreating some of these old diagrams by hand in
Inkscape, working from paper print outs... if there was some magical way
to open them in Inkscape and save to SVG - oh my!
:)
cheers
Donna
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Inkscape: Open Source Scalable Vector Graphics
0.47 is coming... http://www.inkscape.org
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4:48 p.m.
New subject: Replacing ClariWorks with Inkscape
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 01:19:46AM +1000, Donna Benjamin wrote:
If Inkscape could open ClarisDraw and ClarisImpact files I would be
deeply grateful, impressed and owe a beverage to the developer/s who
implemented this magic.
I have a client with a bunch of archived files they can't access because
they no longer have a working old mac or version of the software.
Probably not the fix you want, but a quick Google search says there are
a few programs that will open these files:
http://www.eazydraw.com/
http://www.purgatorydesign.com/Intaglio/
I have started recreating some of these old diagrams by hand in
Inkscape, working from paper print outs... if there was some magical way
to open them in Inkscape and save to SVG - oh my!
Not sure what formats they will be able to save to naively, but if they
can print then you'll be able to get started (i.e. print to a PDF and
then open the resulting file in Inkscape).
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Sam http://samason.me.uk/
10:20 p.m.
New subject: Replacing ClariWorks with Inkscape
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 17:48 +0100, Sam Mason wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 01:19:46AM +1000, Donna Benjamin wrote:
> If Inkscape could open ClarisDraw and ClarisImpact files I would be
> deeply grateful, impressed and owe a beverage to the developer/s who
> implemented this magic.
>
> I have a client with a bunch of archived files they can't access because
> they no longer have a working old mac or version of the software.
Probably not the fix you want, but a quick Google search says there are
a few programs that will open these files:
http://www.eazydraw.com/
http://www.purgatorydesign.com/Intaglio/
Thanks Sam! I've had a quick look at these, I'll give 'em a go!
- Donna
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11:04 p.m.
New subject: Replacing ClarisWorks with Inkscape
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 18:19 +0200, Daniel Drijard wrote:
Finding the old software is certainly not a problem (though I do
not know ClarisImpact).
Actually - we have had trouble finding it, and the original discs are
long gone.
I am surprised that finding an old mac is difficult.
We do have access to an old machine, and have played around with
emulation - basiliskII - but have not been able to find a working copy
of Claris Impact.
Claris Impact was a drawing and presentation application.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1563/is_n9_v12/ai_16268670/
Ideally I would just like to be able to
open these files with Inkscape, on Linux.
From the reading I have done they can apparently be opened with Visio
and Omnigraffle
Donna
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