Hi Friends, I'll explain the problem here, before posting on LP. If it already exists, maybe someone can tell me, before I make a duplicate report. (I don't have very good luck searching on LP :-( ) I've been working on a series of Inkscape tutorials, using Inkscape to write the tutorials. So I'm using the Text tool a lot, making regular text....at least *on purpose* making regular text. But it seems I've made a lot of empty flowed text boxes by accident, which are selectable, even though they don't contain any text. I'm pretty sure it's happening when I try to highlight selected text and I don't have the mouse in precisely the correct position. And instead of highlighting text, I've dragged a tiny text box. But I assumed if I didn't type in it, and left the text box empty, it would not exist as an object. When selected via the Tab key, there is no bounding box or scaling handles. But there is identification on the status bar. I can't seem to select by dragging a selection box. But Ctrl A has same behavior -- identification on status bar, but no bounding box on the canvas. I'm not sure what use it is to have empty text boxes. Is this a bug? Or if it's intended, would it be reasonable as a feature request to have the option for empty text boxes not to be retained as objects? Thanks for enlightening me :-)
All best, brynn
On 2015-11-13 11:16 (+0100), Brynn wrote:
I've been working on a series of Inkscape tutorials, using Inkscapeto write the tutorials. So I'm using the Text tool a lot, making regular text....at least *on purpose* making regular text. But it seems I've made a lot of empty flowed text boxes by accident, which are selectable, even though they don't contain any text. I'm pretty sure it's happening when I try to highlight selected text and I don't have the mouse in precisely the correct position. And instead of highlighting text, I've dragged a tiny text box. But I assumed if I didn't type in it, and left the text box empty, it would not exist as an object.
If the user drags a text frame with the text tool, and does not enter any text, the flowed-text object is indeed created (unlike with regular text), and because it is empty (nothing visible on canvas), it cannot be selected with tools which select visible objects (select tool on-canvas with click or click-drag).
Related bug reports (known issue(s)):
Bug #485269 Invisible and unselectable flow region in image https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/485269
Bug #349602 Textbox is unselectable after text is overflowed by empty lines. https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/349602
When selected via the Tab key, there is no bounding box or scalinghandles. But there is identification on the status bar. I can't seem to select by dragging a selection box. But Ctrl A has same behavior -- identification on status bar, but no bounding box on the canvas.
This behavior with selecting is as expected, and by itself is not a bug.
Regards, V
It seems like an easy/good way to select the empty textbox would be to have it highlight when the text tool is over it (like it does when there is text in it) this way it would not interfere with regular selecting activities and still be editable and selectable.
I think text boxes should also (at least) show up in outline mode. view > display mode > outline It would make Inkscape much better for making document templates.
My 2p.
-C
Thanks su_v ! I looked through the related bug reports, and of course I read your answer. But I'm not clear about this.
Is an empty text box supposed to be a selectable object (selectable in some ways, not in other ways)? If so, and if it's not a bug, there must be some purpose for an empty text box. What is it?
Thanks again :-)
-------------------------------------------------- From: "su_v" <suv@...2638...> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 8:40 AM To: inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] empty text boxes
On 2015-11-13 11:16 (+0100), Brynn wrote:
I've been working on a series of Inkscape tutorials, usingInkscape to write the tutorials. So I'm using the Text tool a lot, making regular text....at least *on purpose* making regular text. But it seems I've made a lot of empty flowed text boxes by accident, which are selectable, even though they don't contain any text. I'm pretty sure it's happening when I try to highlight selected text and I don't have the mouse in precisely the correct position. And instead of highlighting text, I've dragged a tiny text box. But I assumed if I didn't type in it, and left the text box empty, it would not exist as an object.
If the user drags a text frame with the text tool, and does not enter any text, the flowed-text object is indeed created (unlike with regular text), and because it is empty (nothing visible on canvas), it cannot be selected with tools which select visible objects (select tool on-canvas with click or click-drag).
Related bug reports (known issue(s)):
Bug #485269 Invisible and unselectable flow region in image https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/485269
Bug #349602 Textbox is unselectable after text is overflowed by empty lines. https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/349602
When selected via the Tab key, there is no bounding box orscaling handles. But there is identification on the status bar. I can't seem to select by dragging a selection box. But Ctrl A has same behavior -- identification on status bar, but no bounding box on the canvas.
This behavior with selecting is as expected, and by itself is not a bug.
Regards, V
Inkscape-user mailing list Inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user
Empty text boxes are useful to flow text into. This can be done programmatically outside of Inkscape, but it would be handy to do it in Inkscape too. Any object created in Inkscape should be selectable and changeable with the interface. On 13 Nov 2015 4:51 pm, "Brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Thanks su_v ! I looked through the related bug reports, and of course I read your answer. But I'm not clear about this.
Is an empty text box supposed to be a selectable object (selectable in some ways, not in other ways)? If so, and if it's not a bug, there must be some purpose for an empty text box. What is it?
Thanks again :-)
From: "su_v" <suv@...2638...> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 8:40 AM To: inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] empty text boxes
On 2015-11-13 11:16 (+0100), Brynn wrote:
I've been working on a series of Inkscape tutorials, usingInkscape to write the tutorials. So I'm using the Text tool a lot, making
regular
text....at least *on purpose* making regular text. But it seems I've made a lot of empty flowed text boxes by accident, which are selectable, even though they don't contain any text. I'm pretty sure it's happening when I try to highlight selected text and I don't have the mouse in precisely the correct position. And instead of highlighting text, I've dragged a tiny text box. But I assumed if I didn't type in it, and left the text box empty, it would not exist as an object.
If the user drags a text frame with the text tool, and does not enter any text, the flowed-text object is indeed created (unlike with regular text), and because it is empty (nothing visible on canvas), it cannot be selected with tools which select visible objects (select tool on-canvas with click or click-drag).
Related bug reports (known issue(s)):
Bug #485269 Invisible and unselectable flow region in image https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/485269
Bug #349602 Textbox is unselectable after text is overflowed by empty lines. https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/349602
When selected via the Tab key, there is no bounding box orscaling handles. But there is identification on the status bar. I can't seem
to
select by dragging a selection box. But Ctrl A has same behavior -- identification on status bar, but no bounding box on the canvas.
This behavior with selecting is as expected, and by itself is not a bug.
Regards, V
Inkscape-user mailing list Inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user
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Thanks C R. I understand what text boxes are for. But if no text is entered, and they are deselected, what use are they? They're hard to re-select, and you can only select one at a time, afaict.
Maybe you're onto the more relevant issue -- maybe they need to be more visible. Visible in outline view is one thing, but maybe they should be even more visible? If an empty text box is an object, it ought to be selectable with Selection tool, imo. Or at least, when you switch to the Selection tool, you ought to see the bounding box, etc.
What if they were visible whenever the Text tool is enabled? Then they could be used to make layout, like for a newsletter or something? Plus, if you accidentally make one, you can see it, and delete it.
Is it worth a feature request? Or because it's flowed text, and not part of SVG, maybe it's not worth it at all?
Thanks :-) brynn
_________________________________ From: C R Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 10:26 AM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] empty text boxes
Empty text boxes are useful to flow text into. This can be done programmatically outside of Inkscape, but it would be handy to do it in Inkscape too. Any object created in Inkscape should be selectable and changeable with the interface. On 13 Nov 2015 4:51 pm, "Brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Thanks su_v ! I looked through the related bug reports, and of course I read your answer. But I'm not clear about this.
Is an empty text box supposed to be a selectable object (selectable in some ways, not in other ways)? If so, and if it's not a bug, there must be some purpose for an empty text box. What is it?
Thanks again :-)
-------------------------------------------------- From: "su_v" <suv@...2638...> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 8:40 AM To: inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] empty text boxes
On 2015-11-13 11:16 (+0100), Brynn wrote:
I've been working on a series of Inkscape tutorials, usingInkscape to write the tutorials. So I'm using the Text tool a lot, making regular text....at least *on purpose* making regular text. But it seems I've made a lot of empty flowed text boxes by accident, which are selectable, even though they don't contain any text. I'm pretty sure it's happening when I try to highlight selected text and I don't have the mouse in precisely the correct position. And instead of highlighting text, I've dragged a tiny text box. But I assumed if I didn't type in it, and left the text box empty, it would not exist as an object.
If the user drags a text frame with the text tool, and does not enter any text, the flowed-text object is indeed created (unlike with regular text), and because it is empty (nothing visible on canvas), it cannot be selected with tools which select visible objects (select tool on-canvas with click or click-drag).
Related bug reports (known issue(s)):
Bug #485269 Invisible and unselectable flow region in image https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/485269
Bug #349602 Textbox is unselectable after text is overflowed by empty lines. https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/349602
When selected via the Tab key, there is no bounding box orscaling handles. But there is identification on the status bar. I can't seem to select by dragging a selection box. But Ctrl A has same behavior -- identification on status bar, but no bounding box on the canvas.
This behavior with selecting is as expected, and by itself is not a bug.
Regards, V
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Yes, Byrnn, I think you got my point. And yes, textbox visibility/selectability when the text tool is selected is definitely a feature I would request. On 16 Nov 2015 6:07 pm, "Brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Thanks C R. I understand what text boxes are for. But if no text is entered, and they are deselected, what use are they? They're hard to re-select, and you can only select one at a time, afaict.
Maybe you're onto the more relevant issue -- maybe they need to be more visible. Visible in outline view is one thing, but maybe they should be even more visible? If an empty text box is an object, it ought to be selectable with Selection tool, imo. Or at least, when you switch to the Selection tool, you ought to see the bounding box, etc.
What if they were visible whenever the Text tool is enabled? Then they could be used to make layout, like for a newsletter or something? Plus, if you accidentally make one, you can see it, and delete it.
Is it worth a feature request? Or because it's flowed text, and not part of SVG, maybe it's not worth it at all?
Thanks :-) brynn
From: C R Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 10:26 AM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] empty text boxes
Empty text boxes are useful to flow text into. This can be done programmatically outside of Inkscape, but it would be handy to do it in Inkscape too. Any object created in Inkscape should be selectable and changeable with the interface. On 13 Nov 2015 4:51 pm, "Brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Thanks su_v ! I looked through the related bug reports, and of course I read your answer. But I'm not clear about this.
Is an empty text box supposed to be a selectable object (selectable in some ways, not in other ways)? If so, and if it's not a bug, there must be some purpose for an empty text box. What is it?
Thanks again :-)
From: "su_v" <suv@...2638...> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 8:40 AM To: inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] empty text boxes
On 2015-11-13 11:16 (+0100), Brynn wrote:
I've been working on a series of Inkscape tutorials, usingInkscape to write the tutorials. So I'm using the Text tool a lot, making
regular
text....at least *on purpose* making regular text. But it seems I've made a lot of empty flowed text boxes by accident, which are selectable, even though they don't contain any text. I'm pretty sure it's happening when I try to highlight selected text and I don't have the mouse in precisely the correct position. And instead of highlighting text, I've dragged a tiny text box. But I assumed if I didn't type in it, and left the text box empty, it would not exist as an object.
If the user drags a text frame with the text tool, and does not enter any text, the flowed-text object is indeed created (unlike with regular text), and because it is empty (nothing visible on canvas), it cannot be selected with tools which select visible objects (select tool on-canvas with click or click-drag).
Related bug reports (known issue(s)):
Bug #485269 Invisible and unselectable flow region in image https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/485269
Bug #349602 Textbox is unselectable after text is overflowed by empty lines. https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/349602
When selected via the Tab key, there is no bounding box orscaling handles. But there is identification on the status bar. I can't seem
to
select by dragging a selection box. But Ctrl A has same behavior -- identification on status bar, but no bounding box on the canvas.
This behavior with selecting is as expected, and by itself is not a bug.
Regards, V
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