Patrick wrote:

So to get to the point I was just wondering about the state of SVG support now and guesses on the state a year from now.

Firefox 3 was just released, with its improved SVG support. It will probably remain the same for the following year, the next major version (FF4?) is not expected that soon.

Also, a new version of Opera was released recently and I believe it has good support for SVG but I know very little about that browser.

I would also love to make this site SVG only, any guesses as to when someone could make a fully functional SVG only site?

What stops you from doing it now? Besides search engines not indexing it.

Google does not index SVG only sites but Google can basically only see text. Do you think I would get blacklisted if I created a text only site

Well, Google can see (and index) a lot more file types than text: .doc, .pdf, .ppt and such. Nothing stops it also seeing SVG (which is text/xml, so much easier to read than things as .doc or .pdf)

and found a way to re-route Google through browser identification? Any thoughts on other work arounds?

I am also trying to learn about open source flash. With proprietary flash distributed so far, does (open or closed) flash present a serious danger?If not is there another?

I did recently an extended trial run of Swfdec as a Flash client and it was not that bad as a plugin, is not very far to be usable.

I know SVG is great but I heard that Beta was also better then VHS, the best technology does not always win, what is standing in our way? My plotting application would be an enormous investment of time, is it possible that SVG will end up another Beta?

Please delete the "subheading SVG vs Flash" if you have other SVG web thoughts, I loved the last thread and I would love to read any discussions pertaining to SVG and the web.

Hi Patrick,

I can only encourage to use SVG on the web. There are 4 major browser supporting the bulk of SVG currently: Safari/Webkit, Konqueror (newer versions also use the Webkit engine), Opera and Firefox.

The best SVG support is currently in Opera, with Webkit following. Webkit is probably the fastest SVG implementation. Firefox 2 was rather slow, with respect to SVG performance, but this has improved a lot in Firefox 3.

Microsoft is the last browser not supporting SVG natively, but there is still the Adobe plugin (on the phase out) and a new plugin in the work (Renesis).

I think if people increasingly use SVG on the web, companies like Microsoft, Google and Adobe will be forced to better support SVG. And I am sure they'll do if a larger portion of the web uses SVG.

A good way to currently get support for your SVG only website is to use a HTML website and then embed the SVG only version using object/embed. Put your keywords and description for the search engine in the HTML file but use SVG for the content.

This works fine for my own SVG only websites: search for "Yosemite hiking map" --> http://www.carto.net/williams/yosemite/

or "georeference photos switzerland" --> http://www.geofoto.ch/geophotomap/

Andreas

BTW: who is still using VHS ;-) Isn't this long gone?

Patrick wrote:

Hey Everyone

There was a great thread about SVG and the web a few months ago. I re-read it but I am still a little confused about something.

I have a long term project that will involve charting and mathematical processing of peaks that are plotted out. An SVG based chart might be just the thing. The scientists that would use this could be prompted to download Firefox as this online tool that I am hoping to create could save them a lot of money over the desktop versions out there, so IE is not an issue.

So to get to the point I was just wondering about the state of SVG support now and guesses on the state a year from now.

I would also love to make this site SVG only, any guesses as to when someone could make a fully functional SVG only site?

Google does not index SVG only sites but Google can basically only see text. Do you think I would get blacklisted if I created a text only site and found a way to re-route Google through browser identification? Any thoughts on other work arounds?

I am also trying to learn about open source flash. With proprietary flash distributed so far, does (open or closed) flash present a serious danger?If not is there another?

I know SVG is great but I heard that Beta was also better then VHS, the best technology does not always win, what is standing in our way? My plotting application would be an enormous investment of time, is it possible that SVG will end up another Beta?

Please delete the "subheading SVG vs Flash" if you have other SVG web thoughts, I loved the last thread and I would love to read any discussions pertaining to SVG and the web.

ThX-Patrick

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