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2019-07-17 13-24-30 PDT Martin Owens Hello 2019-07-17 13-24-36 PDT Martin Owens Finally. 2019-07-17 13-40-45 PDT Martin Owens But the website has a more generic moderation platform. It's used by the galleries and allows objects under moderation to be deleted. But it requires more than one vote. It used to take three votes, but we reduced it to two. 2019-07-17 13-55-54 PDT Martin Owens Brynn wishes to be able to do the same things in the same ways as she does on her php forum. I.e. delete users. But I can't have single moderators able to delete users, the website as a whole need to be protected. 2019-07-17 13-39-32 PDT Martin Owens That user can then not post or reply. 2019-07-17 14-03-51 PDT Martin Owens Well yes. I have no real issues with letting Brynn be an admin. But the request was to allow forum moderators, not just site moderators, have those powers. That's a big escalation. 2019-07-17 14-47-09 PDT Martin Owens Do you need me to add you as a moderator so you can see all the tools? 2019-07-17 15-20-17 PDT Martin Owens Check the admin interface and see if users is in there 2019-07-17 13-41-44 PDT Martin Owens Users themselves can be flagged for moderation by the generic system, on top of being moderated by the forum permissions system. 2019-07-17 13-39-09 PDT Martin Owens That's kind of right. The website has users, users have permissions. Some of these permissions are from group membership, while others are direct. Users can have a permission called banned from forum posting and banned from replying. Two permissions are added by a single moderator when they see spam. 2019-07-17 13-54-40 PDT Martin Owens With one flag it goes into the moderation queue. It's weighted so each moderator vote counts for 7 normal user votes. 14 points are required to act on a thing. 2019-07-17 15-20-01 PDT Martin Owens You should be good 2019-07-17 14-36-48 PDT Martin Owens Yes 2019-07-17 15-20-34 PDT Martin Owens I think the idea was that all board members would be super users. 2019-07-17 13-24-43 PDT Martin Owens 🦖 2019-07-17 14-31-19 PDT Martin Owens Part of the frustration on my side is that this is not the first time we've had a disagreement on security. There was an issue with linking to external images and other times where it's taken a lot of explaining. 2019-07-17 14-04-35 PDT Martin Owens And moderators can be anyone. I wanted us to be able to recruit new contributors for moderating without making it dangerous to have those powers. 2019-07-17 14-38-44 PDT Martin Owens It's an interesting one. Maybe I should try a document the moderation. 2019-07-17 14-43-21 PDT ScislaC Well, just so you're aware, I did offer to help with moderating the forums, but let's just say it came across that she didn't care for my offer to help. I should probably poke around and see how it feels before I suggest too many possible "fixes" for something I'm not personally very familiar with. 2019-07-17 14-32-13 PDT ScislaC Was the external images issue a separate issue from links in the gallery descriptions? 2019-07-17 14-36-48 PDT ScislaC Ahhh, I wasn't aware that there was frustration from your side, but I can definitely understand it. When it comes down to it, I trust your ability to assess our security needs. I know that in my trying to talk to her about things, it seems like it has taken numerous approaches to feel like she was actually understanding... and there are still other things I just feel she's not willing to try and see from a different perspective. 2019-07-17 13-23-19 PDT ScislaC now it shows you online... 2019-07-17 13-24-37 PDT ScislaC there we go! 2019-07-17 14-53-44 PDT ScislaC I'm honestly not sure, I have "Administration" as a menu option under my name when I log into the website... do you need to change anything or should I be good to go? 2019-07-17 13-48-55 PDT ScislaC Another side Q, when a mod flags a gallery item, what happens to it with one flag? 2019-07-17 14-12-27 PDT ScislaC Ok... so I guess the Q is if would Brynn receive it as a massive compliment if we explained that she can be a site admin because we trust her with that (knowing that realistically, she wouldn't abuse it). But people who are only forum mods can't be given that level of control for obvious reasons, including her rationale of assuming all new mods might be inexperienced n00bs. 2019-07-17 14-17-07 PDT ScislaC I will say, this is NOT an ideal solution in my mind... I don't believe we should normally make exceptions to people who complain loudly, but I do think making her life easier on this will probably make all of our lives a bit easier in the long run. 2019-07-17 13-27-00 PDT ScislaC inkscape.org is the platform and the forums are a feature/area/"group"... much like Facebook or Reddit, you can get banned from groups, but mods can't remove you from the platform, or is this a bad analogy? 2019-07-17 13-47-59 PDT ScislaC Ok, so where is Brynn's point of contention? It came across to me like she wants to be able to ban/delete users that are deemed as Spammers, not just from the forum section. Am I misunderstanding? 2019-07-17 14-37-48 PDT ScislaC While I appreciate everything that you do for the project, I do not envy your position :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: 2019-07-17 14-14-34 PDT ScislaC Her language with bryce and myself is sounding incredibly ... frustrated. I think we'd be at a loss to not have her continue in the role she has been doing for quite a while now (granted at a 3rd party site). 2019-07-17 13-25-02 PDT ScislaC Ok... so I just want to make sure my understanding is correct... 2019-07-17 14-02-06 PDT ScislaC So she is a site moderator (not just forum moderator) that thinks she should have site admin powers (even if her intentions are to be reserved in using them)? Realistically, we want those powers in as few hands as is reasonable, right? Basically, we need to protect against rogue actors. 2019-07-17 13-20-56 PDT ScislaC Hello? 2019-07-17 13-49-05 PDT ScislaC flag/vote

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2020-04-25 15-10-57 PDT Duarte Ramos You too, all the best:slight_smile: 2020-04-25 14-57-48 PDT Duarte Ramos Hope all is well, with you and your family. All the best, Duarte 2020-04-25 15-04-04 PDT Duarte Ramos Everything fine around here too. I'm more of the stay-at-home type, I could really get used to this quarantine routine permanently 2020-04-25 14-57-21 PDT Duarte Ramos Hi Maren, thanks for the headsup. just submitted mine 2020-04-25 15-10-34 PDT Duarte Ramos I live in an apartment, so no backyard here unfortunately, but I do have a very sunny balcony I use regularly for all my sunlight needs 2020-04-25 13-51-28 PDT Moini Hi Duarte :) You've probably seen it on the translators mailing list already, but I wanted to give you an extra ping. You've been with the project for a long time already, I think it would be interesting to see your replies! https://framaforms.org/inkscape-contributor-interview-1587833730 2020-04-25 15-05-06 PDT Moini Haha, yes, I can understand that :) 2020-04-25 15-13-00 PDT Moini Thanks :) I'm glad that you're doing fine, even with restrictions (and aren't turning into a pale vampire :bat: :-D ) 2020-04-25 15-07-14 PDT Moini I'm not on top of which regulations are valid where, but I hope you can still catch some sun now and then. 2020-04-25 14-59-42 PDT Moini Yes, all is well here, our region is still not very much affected. Are things okay for you, too? 2020-04-25 14-59-10 PDT Moini Hi Duarte - you're always so fast! 2020-04-25 15-07-48 PDT Moini Take good care :) 2020-04-25 15-06-18 PDT Moini We're lucky we have a garden and live in a village, though, so I'm still getting sunlight without bumping into other people.

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2020-02-07 13-14-40 PST Martin Owens This sound be parked in inkscape as it's a regression. Thanks for testing. 2020-02-12 00-08-37 PST Martin Owens They may have been voted on my multiple people, or it may have looked like it wasn't reproduced when I checked. 2020-02-24 17-24-52 PST Martin Owens I'm imagining sinarios of things being broken in 0.48 and people re-opening bugs ;-) because we haven't back ported the fix :-P 2020-04-16 07-08-10 PDT Martin Owens Also it could just be me ;-) 2020-09-24 07-43-36 PDT Martin Owens I won't be able to tell you about what happens, but hopefully we can resolve the agressiveness. 2020-02-24 17-24-01 PST Martin Owens I think the right thing is a) request the fix be back-ported via chat, the if no response or no one can get to it right away b) create a new issue to pack-port the fix. 2020-01-24 05-28-47 PST Martin Owens That is not something I can answer 2020-04-30 13-19-12 PDT Martin Owens finite_exit_dock_headroom_wistful_zealous 2020-09-24 07-43-16 PDT Martin Owens OK I've kicked off a mediation ticket between Chris Rodgers, Grey, Myself and Bryce Harrington 2020-02-12 00-08-53 PST Martin Owens It's a bit discretionary. So there may be no reason. 2020-02-12 00-38-13 PST Martin Owens Software freedom isn't without sacrifice or generosity. As Mako would say. 2020-09-24 07-32-31 PDT Martin Owens I've deleted his comment, but I'm going to need to have words 2020-01-24 12-18-10 PST Martin Owens We actually had to do a specific recruitment drive for mac developers. 2020-10-06 04-21-23 PDT Martin Owens The actual bulk of the code looks good. It needs more spacing out and it's a bit cramped. But it's good stuff. 2020-09-24 07-37-12 PDT Martin Owens Thanks 2020-02-12 00-06-13 PST Martin Owens So it'll have to wait for the next list. 2020-01-24 12-18-31 PST Martin Owens 90% of our users are windows users, 90% of our developers are Linux developers ;-) 2020-01-24 05-26-46 PST Martin Owens It means just like flowRoot text in 0.92, text with shapes wouldn't be visible in firefox and other svg viewers 2020-02-12 00-13-52 PST Martin Owens I've basically quit my contracting (paid) work to get this Inkscape 1.0 release done. So it's super important to me that we prioritise (because I can't keep up this level of investment for very long) 2020-02-24 17-28-48 PST Martin Owens As soon as we branched, we created this process. (or lack of process). Part of the job I'm going to be doing is reviewing the bugs and commits to master not in 1.0.x 2020-02-24 17-24-23 PST Martin Owens But I'm not sure, as there isn't a process for backporting. 2020-02-12 00-13-07 PST Martin Owens Ah time. 2020-09-24 07-36-00 PDT Martin Owens Did you get it in an email? 2020-03-11 15-49-44 PDT Martin Owens I think you are right and any help with extensions is very useful. 2020-02-12 00-10-00 PST Martin Owens I mean take the one I'm currently looking at, 847, that's very likely not fixable. 2020-10-06 04-20-12 PDT Martin Owens I'm not as keen on staticmethods, when I see isgradient I have trouble with the variable name `x` (what is x?) If it's a style attribute check, this is likely something that should be inside style.py rather than the elements even though it needs the svg to do the check. 2020-01-24 12-18-57 PST Martin Owens We're asymmetric. It's a miricle Inkscape works on those platforms. 2020-10-06 04-22-26 PDT Martin Owens Would the xaml extensions be a candidate for pushing towards pypi instead? 2020-09-24 07-31-55 PDT Martin Owens @jhofinger Having a look now 2020-02-24 17-22-34 PST Martin Owens This is a hole in how we handle bugs and certainly depends on the people looking after the bug. 2020-10-06 04-28-42 PDT Martin Owens Good to know, this is going to be an interesting process of splitting things out onto pypi but having a list of things to include in Inkscape ;-) 2020-02-08 05-32-09 PST Martin Owens :thumbsup: 2020-10-06 04-28-49 PDT Martin Owens requirements.txt I see thee 2020-02-24 17-22-07 PST Martin Owens Yes, but I don't think we have a process for bugs in 1.0.x vs. master. 2020-04-15 14-10-12 PDT Martin Owens Just to moan about issue 2307 a little. Chris was bad mouthing Inkscape on ycombinator as well as being an utter jerk. Now I fear the issue will become a swamp of bitter nasty bastards trying to make general and unproductive complaints about Inkscape and pointing out how bad we are because we don't slave away at their issues specifically. 2020-09-24 07-35-49 PDT Martin Owens Ah I forgot to screenshot the comment before I deleted it. 2020-09-24 07-44-02 PDT Martin Owens :thumbsup: 2020-02-12 00-06-02 PST Martin Owens We can't fix EVERYTHING (otherwise inkscape will never be released) 2020-01-11 13-15-12 PST Martin Owens It could be, although whenever I've tried to use swatched they've never worked. But I just assumed that was because I was dumb. 2020-01-11 13-09-57 PST Martin Owens Thanks for brining this up. How many of these are regressions between 0.92 and 1.0 (if you know) I want to make a case for removing swatchs for 1.0, but regressions are harder to agrue because we'd be removing functionality we had in 0.92 2020-03-11 10-58-06 PDT Martin Owens I was hoping for an svg file in the report. 2020-01-24 05-32-37 PST Martin Owens You should add your thoughts to the public channel. 2020-10-06 04-22-13 PDT Martin Owens The other issue is one of modules. The xamllib will be a new module which at some point should be it's own pypi install depedency instead of something we ship with Inkscape 2020-02-12 00-05-48 PST Martin Owens No, there's just a limit to how many items I'm willing to put on the list. 2020-01-24 12-15-17 PST Martin Owens ede123 is (Patrick), there are a few others. Although non-linux platforms always need community management and encouragement. Developers usually end up installing Linux in the end. 2020-03-11 11-24-14 PDT Martin Owens ok, no problem 2020-02-07 13-17-52 PST Martin Owens Thanks! 2020-01-24 05-27-07 PST Martin Owens But editing in inkscape would be much better 2020-09-24 07-29-13 PDT jhofinger Hi, I believe we have a situation here. https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/-/issues/3701#note_418171636 Should I try to deal with this or would you consider this your job? 2020-09-24 07-36-32 PDT jhofinger Clipboard - September 24, 2020 4:36 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/Kw8hf8gFx3fosHLmB/Clipboard%20-%20Sep…) 2020-10-06 04-30-03 PDT jhofinger If everything is installed via pip, then it shouldn't be different than installing other python dependencies into the inkscape package, right? It probably simplifies it even, since the subpackages just define their own dependencies 2020-01-24 12-22-16 PST jhofinger Yeah, C++ development is just more comfortable on Linux, as far as I can see. I'll ask Patrick for some guidance 2020-10-06 04-16-13 PDT jhofinger I'm making good progress with the new XAML export (started over yesterday basically), but I could need a design review until it's too late to refactor everything again. So if you have time, I'd appreciate you having a look: https://gitlab.com/jhofinger/extensions/-/compare/master...new-xaml-export The code is working, it ignores transforms for now (that comes next), also it doesn't support gradients, filters and texts yet. But the overall design has converged by now. Unit tests will be basically the entire (applicable) SVG test suite The general idea is to mirror the class structure of Inkex in the *Parser classes, traversing the SVG. These create XAML-like objects (everything inheriting from XAMLObject), which manage their XML representation themselves. For the backwards conversion, I'll fill these via lxml.objectify, essentially the same way as the Inkex document structure is created, then traverse them and construct the SVG backwards. 2020-02-24 17-24-50 PST jhofinger Okay, maybe this should be discussed in one of the group chats. 2020-02-24 17-29-43 PST jhofinger That's a good idea. I will start a discussion on the process in the dev chat tomorrow. 2020-03-11 13-25-33 PDT jhofinger I don't want to steal this from you if you want to do it. It's just that I can take over tasks that I'm able to do, to free your resources so you can fix the important issues in the C++ code, so 1.0 can be released as soon as possible 😉 2020-10-06 04-27-36 PDT jhofinger There are a few SVG->XAML conversion programs already: Svg2XAML, SharpVectors, ab4d. The main benefits of Inkscape having its own is the following: - Easy to use from the place where people create their icons (most of the time on StackOverflow, Inkscape is recommended for converting) - *Editing* XAML files. None of the above libraries have a backwards conversion. By the way, since in XAML it's typical to store multiple designs in a single file, this library could benefit a lot from multipage editing :D 2020-03-11 10-57-36 PDT jhofinger Mwe for the extrude bug: draw circle - convert to path - duplicate - extrude 2020-04-15 23-10-27 PDT jhofinger Thanks for the warning. I'll keep it in mind when I deal with the issue the next time. 2020-01-24 05-28-18 PST jhofinger Okay. Why is there a fallback that doesn't work? 2020-10-11 06-28-20 PDT jhofinger (the change in _base.py is a hackfix for now, just to demonstrate the principle) 2020-02-12 00-12-55 PST jhofinger Yes that looks like a difficult one. But I think you're doing a great job! (Looking forward to helping more in the code, but I don't have the time atm) 2020-01-11 13-24-07 PST jhofinger So did I, until I saw all these issues - and if you also don't understand it, then it's probably just buggy 2020-10-06 04-21-20 PDT jhofinger Oh that... s is a string. It's copied from the interpolations rewrite 2020-02-08 04-08-12 PST jhofinger Reverting the changes to selcue has fixed the issue (y) Thanks! 2020-10-06 04-33-00 PDT jhofinger Thanks for having a look. 2020-10-06 04-34-14 PDT jhofinger [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/doctormo?msg=fW8dJq8ti6yRFZpMp) Also I want to add support for another FOSS project (Avalonia.ui) which is basically Microsoft WPF supercharged, and none of the libraries support that ;) () 2020-10-10 22-32-29 PDT jhofinger Would it be acceptable to add another dependency to inkex for proper css parsing? Such as tinycss 2020-01-24 05-28-46 PST jhofinger btw I solved the compiling problem. Stupid me looked in build/bin, not build/inkscape/bin 2020-01-24 05-33-37 PST jhofinger Ok will do 2020-01-11 13-12-01 PST jhofinger I can test that tomorrow, I have never used swatches before, but I guess it's a standard work flow for designer people (which I'm not). Will tell you. Interestingly there are very few issues on swatches on Launchpad, so probably a few regressions? 2020-02-12 00-07-54 PST jhofinger It was in my comment of the vectors list. You added 776 and 703 from the same line, but I'd say that 782 is far more important. I'm not asking to reopen the discussion. 2020-10-06 04-23-37 PDT jhofinger Definitely! It's absolutely something which people would use from out of Inkscape as well, maybe even as a standalone library. So as long as it can be still shipped with Inkscape, I'm open for it. 2020-09-24 07-43-54 PDT jhofinger I fully understand. Thanks for your quick action! 2020-09-24 07-32-57 PDT jhofinger Alright. He is always a bit flippant, but that's crossed a line for me 2020-02-24 16-23-55 PST jhofinger It's fixed in Master (well except the undo problem which Maren reported). I only reopened because the fix is not in 1.0.x, and I'd say pretty much everyone would agree that tutorials looking like this is a big no-no for 1.0. 2020-02-07 12-26-40 PST jhofinger Got some bad news, your fix for the bounding box trails introduced another regression :/ https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/issues/1458#note_284511359 2020-02-12 00-36-55 PST jhofinger Wow, I already wondered how you have so much time 2020-02-12 00-09-11 PST jhofinger They both were only mentioned by me. 2020-01-11 13-03-20 PST jhofinger Hi Martin, yes, such a level of detail is not necessary there, I just wanted to write *how* broken the swatches tool is. I just added the issue numbers where available, most of them are already there. Do whatever you want with it; I would be fine with it if Inkscape ships without swatches. 2020-02-24 17-23-40 PST jhofinger Absolutely. Reopening was my way to state "we might have forgotten something there". 2020-03-11 11-23-51 PDT jhofinger But I also wanted to investigate that myself, maybe tomorrow 2020-02-12 00-46-36 PST jhofinger Absolutely. 2020-01-24 11-02-08 PST jhofinger Too bad if VS code doesn't work. Do you know anyone who is currently developing on windows? Especially debugging 2020-01-24 05-21-17 PST jhofinger Not sure if I understood that message. What kind of fallback is there at the moment, and what consequences woud its removal have? Does this mean to definitely make SVG2 text the default for 1.0? 2020-01-24 12-17-43 PST jhofinger Developers usually end up installing Linux in the end. That's out of the question for now, but I guess it's handy to have some devs at hand who can debug Windows- or mac specific issues 2020-10-06 04-27-53 PDT jhofinger So I'd definitely want to keep the functionality with vanilla Inkscape 2020-02-24 17-27-26 PST jhofinger This is something totally different. I wouldn't exactly call this process backporting even, since 1.0 isn't even out yet. There are very few bugfixes where there is a good reason not to have them in 1.0, if they are in 1.1.x at the moment. 2020-03-11 11-21-51 PDT jhofinger The first file of the „further investigation“ comment 2020-02-07 13-17-35 PST jhofinger Yeah will open one tomorrow 2020-02-12 00-02-50 PST jhofinger Hi, I just noticed that you missed https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues/782 in the Vector's blockers list! Was that on purpose? 2020-01-11 13-05-45 PST jhofinger (Sorry, didn't add the numbers immediately, I was in a train today and only had very slow internet) 2020-10-11 06-26-39 PDT jhofinger This would be a way to parse CSS in a relatively easy way without XPath at all. https://gitlab.com/jhofinger/extensions/-/compare/master...css-style-parsing It might be possible to call matcher.match directly on a BaseElement, if we add a few things (e.g. an id attribute), leaving the wrapper out. The wrapper is just there because the library is _designed_ for ElementTree, which has no notion of a parent element. 2020-09-24 07-42-04 PDT jhofinger Thank you :) 2020-03-11 11-09-24 PDT jhofinger There is one 2020-04-30 13-28-14 PDT jhofinger works like a charm, thanks!

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2019-12-19 08-00-00 PST Martin Owens If you'd like to work on documentation or answering questions in the mean time, that would help the project. 2019-12-19 11-21-30 PST Martin Owens You're not being reprimanded. I think we realises now that there are different levels of ability and we gave too many tools, too complex and too much to everyone thinking it would sort of work out. While your good self is very keen, you've struggled with the tools in a way that suggests that we need to be more careful to have friendlier and easier to use moderation tools. For example, not being able to delete your own account. 2019-12-19 11-22-10 PST Martin Owens I'm not involved in the docs, you will need to go into the main chat channels and ask about for further guidence. 2019-12-19 11-19-36 PST Martin Owens Yes please and thanks for all your help. 2019-12-19 07-59-41 PST Martin Owens Hi there, sorry for the late reply, very busy this end. The website isn't fixed yet, so I've kept the moderation recruitment closed for now. 2019-12-19 11-13-31 PST Martin Owens Just generically docs for Inkscape 2019-12-19 19-09-41 PST Martin Owens No one is allowed to take away your power to modify the software, or share it. You are legally empowered by right to become maker, sharer, seller and owner. The only thing you can't do is force anyone else to work with you if you annoy them. In open source projects we consider personal reputation and relationships to be the critical value and building that relationship over time with others is what being a great contributor entails. 2019-12-18 07-37-49 PST Martin Owens Thanks for letting me know! 2019-12-19 11-28-07 PST Martin Owens Yes, there is nothing to demote you to anyway. ;-) there is "contributing" and "not-contributing" 2019-12-18 05-59-35 PST Sydno I will be using this account from now on. I would still like to be apart of the Inkscape Moderation team, as I have not left, but I have created a new account. Thank you for understanding. ~Sydno (Beta). Just call me Sydno for now on. :slight_smile: 2019-12-19 11-20-26 PST Sydno Also, how do you want me to help with the docs? In the chat? 2019-12-19 07-31-02 PST Sydno Hi, did you get my message? 2019-12-19 11-12-08 PST Sydno Ok sure no problem. 2019-12-19 11-23-51 PST Sydno Oh ok. So I haven't been demoted or anything, correct. You're just making changes for now, correct? 2019-12-18 06-04-31 PST Sydno I've informed Brynn of this change as well. 2019-12-19 11-13-03 PST Sydno Are you talking about the doc for Moderation I read before joining the team? 2019-12-18 05-56-42 PST Sydno Hello, it's Beta. I've created a new account because I accidentally locked myself out of the Inkscape Chat. Unfortunately I didn't save the backup codes for two factor authentication. Iv'e remembered to do so now, to prevent any future mistakes. 2019-12-19 17-52-52 PST Sydno Well, a user. 2019-12-19 11-19-39 PST Sydno Thanks for informing me. I thought I was being reprimanded. I'm glad everything is ok. I'd appreciate if you'd let me know when the moderation is opened again. I'd like to join again when given the opportunity. Thank you. 2019-12-19 11-14-56 PST Sydno Ah ok. No problem. I'll help out with that until the moderation is finished or until you're ready to have me join the team again. Does that work? 2019-12-18 10-56-10 PST Sydno No worries. I'd like to still be apart of the Inkscape Moderation team if that's ok?

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2020-04-25 14-07-30 PDT Moini Hi Kirstie! The Vectors team is looking for some Inkscape contributor stories. If you're up to it, I'd like to invite you for our Contributors' interview at https://framaforms.org/inkscape-contributor-interview-1587833730

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2020-06-03 15-03-50 PDT Martin Owens You need to ask questions in the #inkscape_user channel. 2020-06-03 10-19-31 PDT LUCY hello, I'm new to Inkscape was hoping you could answer this question for me please, when I import a photo on to inscape it comes up with a Red Cross how do I change that?

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29 Apr '21

2020-07-23 00-47-39 PDT Martin Owens You want to mirror media.inkscape.org or alpha.inkscape.org? 2020-07-23 02-11-11 PDT Martin Owens You can CC doctormo(a)geek-2.com if you think the email isn't getting to me. 2020-07-01 08-19-57 PDT Martin Owens Oh wow, I love physical events. I do "learn to teach, teach to learn" here in Boston, USA. For teenagers. It's a lot of fun. 2020-07-23 02-27-22 PDT Martin Owens If the sun explode.. this is technically an end ;-) 2020-07-01 08-14-51 PDT Martin Owens Rizky Djati Munggaran? 2020-07-01 08-25-45 PDT Martin Owens This is good to know. Probably already have all the channels needed to chat about things. But we can also make rocket chat live channel too. 2020-07-23 02-17-43 PDT Martin Owens How are things going in Indonesia? 2020-07-23 00-47-11 PDT Martin Owens Hi 2020-07-23 02-24-06 PDT Martin Owens Boston is better than most places in the USA right now. University is planning on online only for most people. Can eat at restaurants again, but outside. They have added tables and chairs to lots of streets. Which is good thing even if no virus. 2020-07-23 02-10-52 PDT Martin Owens Sure webmaster(a)inkscape.org :-) 2020-07-01 08-12-00 PDT Martin Owens Also, how did your event go, was the Inkscape content good? 2020-07-01 08-15-28 PDT Martin Owens I wish we had more of his works https://inkscape.org/~ridjam/ 2020-07-23 01-41-03 PDT Martin Owens Yes 2020-07-23 02-28-02 PDT Martin Owens I think the USA is focused on not an end, but a middle. Because everything is turning bad right now. 2020-07-23 02-37-00 PDT Martin Owens Our of control virus, secret police, possible breaking democracy. 2021 will either be much better, or much worse. But not the same. 2020-07-01 08-20-49 PDT Martin Owens Should we make Indonesian forum on https://inkscape.org/forums/ ? (we currently have German and English). 2020-07-01 08-05-12 PDT Martin Owens The check will take three weeks :-( but I will let you know when we get a response. 2020-07-01 09-13-02 PDT Martin Owens Agree! Only for more bridges between our country's communities. 😅 2020-07-01 08-04-53 PDT Martin Owens hi raniaamina, I got the request from michele. Thanks so much! 2020-07-01 08-15-56 PDT Martin Owens He's very good. I use his cartoons for anonymous forum avatar. 2020-07-01 08-04-02 PDT Rania Amina Hi, i'm so sorry for disturbing you. I just wanna inform, that Gimpscape recenty send donation (from Artweek event) with amount $115, hope it sent correctly. Would you check it, please :") Thank you. 2020-07-01 09-16-12 PDT Rania Amina That's true! 2020-07-23 02-22-38 PDT Rania Amina Most of event held as online event, very difficult to get permission from government to make offline event 2020-07-01 08-14-00 PDT Rania Amina Very good, soon one of them (Ridjam, i think he one of famous inkscape artist) give very good workshop, and most of them can follow his class very well 2020-07-01 08-06-07 PDT Rania Amina No problem, thanks :") 2020-07-22 20-09-40 PDT Rania Amina some%20people%20get%20very%20slow%20connection%20when%20download%20from%20Inkscape%20Website (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/hWajtta2HD47v8cmH/some%2520people%252…) 2020-07-23 00-56-43 PDT Rania Amina All installer file if possible (include stable version) 2020-07-01 08-57-34 PDT Rania Amina Yeah, i think every country has own platform that suitable with their habbit, to campaign about foss efficiently we need to go to their environment, imho😅 2020-07-23 02-36-11 PDT Rania Amina Turning bad?🤔 2020-07-23 02-10-28 PDT Rania Amina May i get you email address?🙈 2020-07-22 20-07-59 PDT Rania Amina Hi, one of gimpscape member wanna mirroring inkscape installer to Indonesia server. Is it any guide to do that? 2020-07-01 08-15-20 PDT Rania Amina Yeps 2020-07-23 00-59-15 PDT Rania Amina May he contact you via email? 2020-07-01 08-17-19 PDT Rania Amina I hope too :") But, i think he's very busy right now, as i know, he make a class of inkscape in his hometown 2020-07-23 02-21-04 PDT Rania Amina The case still increase, especially in up town area that far from city. Universities and school still inactive, but economical sector try to wake up and regrowing 2020-07-01 08-04-43 PDT Rania Amina Filename (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/BayBaoQWGGdbtPHEK/Filename) 2020-07-23 02-11-06 PDT Rania Amina Okay, thanks 2020-07-01 08-24-07 PDT Rania Amina I still have no idea, it will work or not, but most of indonesian prefer use live chat like telegram or facebook to ask, learn, and discussion. But i'll try to ask them 2020-07-23 02-26-33 PDT Rania Amina Let's hope it will end soon😆 2020-07-02 01-16-35 PDT Rania Amina https://youtu.be/Rtpy-25smv4 One of lightning talk about inkscape

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[Webmaster] Rocket.Chat, 2 Users, 146 Messages, 0 Files, 1158043 Minutes, in Direct Message Between: levent & doctormo
by no-reply＠chat.inkscape.org 29 Apr '21

29 Apr '21

2019-05-12 14-31-25 PDT Martin Owens Also good, in turkish? 2019-05-15 14-39-06 PDT Martin Owens Upload to inkscape.org as special gallery file for download. Ask readers to use it for consistent translation. 2019-05-12 14-19-08 PDT Martin Owens How long have you been waiting? 2019-05-15 14-34-23 PDT Martin Owens How you make book for sell? 2019-05-15 16-40-36 PDT Martin Owens I am back. 2019-05-15 14-35-41 PDT Martin Owens So which operating system will you focus on? 2019-05-15 14-31-13 PDT Martin Owens Firstly, decide if the release is divergent (too much etc) if it is too much different, you can build special versions with your translations without any changes. 2019-05-15 14-37-23 PDT Martin Owens This is easy, you could ship just po file to readers 😅 they can install in Linux easy. 2019-03-25 04-35-26 PDT Martin Owens Hello 2019-02-17 10-42-54 PST Martin Owens Ah this is a good bug, can you report this to https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/issues ? 2019-05-15 15-08-49 PDT Martin Owens OK. Riding my bike, will come back in two hours. 2019-05-15 14-15-51 PDT Martin Owens Has there been a problem? You are the only person who can delete a merge request for your own branch. 2019-02-17 11-21-22 PST Martin Owens No, you can handle that yourself, the fuzzy matching will likely handle your translations correclty when merged. 2019-05-15 14-17-11 PDT Martin Owens I'm not on my computer right now. 2019-02-14 11-55-57 PST Martin Owens We should talk more in the #team_translation channel so everyone can read. 2019-05-15 14-27-14 PDT Martin Owens No, so long as problem is technical and not personal. No problem to see chat. 2019-02-14 11-54-46 PST Martin Owens Welcome to the rocket chat for Inkscape 2019-02-17 10-44-20 PST Martin Owens Would you like some help? CR made a really cool video 2019-05-15 14-39-43 PDT Martin Owens I make assumption that consistent is the problem? 2019-05-15 14-23-40 PDT Martin Owens Maren did want or did not want? 2019-03-25 04-39-22 PDT Martin Owens :shaved_ice: 2019-03-25 04-37-47 PDT Martin Owens And getting into the Inkscape community, hope all is warm and welcoming. 2019-02-17 11-20-20 PST Martin Owens Thanks levent! 2019-05-12 14-17-20 PDT Martin Owens Did you talk with @Moini ? 2019-05-12 14-19-49 PDT Martin Owens Ok, so as long as the mention is blue like above, then you can wait 2 days to give her a chance to catch up. 2019-05-12 14-28-37 PDT Martin Owens yes 2019-05-12 14-17-05 PDT Martin Owens If you want to commit manually, you can add to inkscape codebase via gitlab. 2019-03-25 04-37-03 PDT Martin Owens NP, hope all is going well. 2019-05-15 14-38-01 PDT Martin Owens Which, the ship or the install? 2019-02-17 10-44-46 PST Martin Owens https://inkscape.org/news/2019/02/02/step-step-video-launched-how-report-is… 2019-05-15 16-42-13 PDT Martin Owens So, the job of master of Turkish would be: 1. translate inkscape into turkish, 2. Update new strings 3. Review turkish strings from other people. No other jobs. 2019-02-17 11-31-14 PST Martin Owens Well done! it's a long job! 2019-05-15 14-25-41 PDT Martin Owens Has she offended you greatly? 2019-02-17 11-23-30 PST Martin Owens Yes, gettext software has tools for updating translations. 2019-03-25 04-35-48 PDT Martin Owens Please don't, it is a spammer 2019-05-12 14-33-31 PDT Martin Owens It will be gloriously unique! 2019-05-12 14-23-40 PDT Martin Owens Well done on the completion. 2019-05-12 14-18-03 PDT Martin Owens She is the translators manager, I think you can message her here on chat (in the translators chat room) 2019-03-25 04-35-54 PDT Martin Owens I have reported it to the manager 2019-05-12 14-25-46 PDT Martin Owens Love it! 2019-05-12 14-13-37 PDT Martin Owens Yes. hello! How are you? 2019-05-12 14-18-46 PDT Martin Owens If you're patient and note her directly, she'll get back to you. She's in Germany. 2019-02-14 11-55-43 PST Martin Owens A few days ago there was another Turkish person who was asking about translations. 2019-05-12 14-28-39 PDT Martin Owens Lots to do 2019-05-12 14-14-20 PDT Martin Owens Enjoying a relaxing weekend. 2019-02-17 10-39-36 PST Martin Owens hi 2019-02-14 11-54-39 PST Martin Owens Hello! 2019-03-25 04-39-14 PDT Martin Owens :-) 2019-05-15 14-28-49 PDT Martin Owens I see. Did you know, you could release Turkish version of inkscape with your book? 2019-05-15 14-47-18 PDT Martin Owens Be the master 2019-05-15 14-44-14 PDT Martin Owens I see. And you do not want to be in charge of Turkish translation because it is too much work for you? 2019-05-15 14-21-22 PDT Martin Owens We are worried about you. What has happened? 2019-05-15 14-16-25 PDT Martin Owens I don't know, I've never had to do it. 2019-05-15 15-04-52 PDT Martin Owens Master in inkscape, not diy. Is option of many option. 2019-05-15 14-51-01 PDT Martin Owens master of translation in Turkish only. 2019-05-12 14-14-27 PDT Martin Owens That's great! 2019-05-15 14-33-35 PDT Martin Owens No, that will always be consensus version. But you have freedom to have levent version if you need to sell special inkscape alongside your book. It is legal. 2019-05-12 14-20-49 PDT Martin Owens I think so yes. Although I don't know it. 2019-05-15 14-25-26 PDT Martin Owens Oh, before you do that. You can talk to me. There is no one person or one set way to contribute. 2019-03-25 04-37-28 PDT Levent about translatin? 2019-05-12 14-31-49 PDT Levent most probably i will release my book after Inkscape's 1.0 release 2019-03-25 04-38-01 PDT Levent now i am checking minor errors in my translates 2019-05-15 14-16-45 PDT Levent i am trying now. can you see my request? 2019-05-15 14-43-00 PDT Levent i don't know how to make it all those what you said to me. i don't know how to pack inkscape with my translation etc.. 2019-05-15 14-17-56 PDT Levent https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/merge_requests/669 2019-03-25 04-35-43 PDT Levent do you know her 2019-05-15 14-28-10 PDT Levent here is the conversation 2019-05-15 14-23-17 PDT Levent Maren want to work with Turkish translation team and i haven't time for team work. i quitting 2019-03-25 04-36-27 PDT Levent thank you :) 2019-05-15 14-34-42 PDT Levent i thought 2019-02-17 11-22-15 PST Levent so, software will do that automatic, isn't it? i am keeping continue my translation 2019-05-12 14-32-15 PDT Levent there is no any book in Turkish about Inkscape 2019-05-12 14-15-30 PDT Levent how can i make it? 2019-05-12 14-35-12 PDT Levent hmmm... they done %65 but mine is %98 heheh 2019-05-12 14-17-26 PDT Levent how can i? i've never done that before 2019-05-12 14-17-37 PDT Levent no, i didn't talk with Moini 2019-05-15 14-16-56 PDT Levent on gitlab? 2019-05-12 14-31-13 PDT Levent and my book is on the way also 2019-05-15 15-06-10 PDT Levent my... i still didn't watch GoT's last episode 2019-05-15 14-29-54 PDT Levent how 2019-05-15 14-11-25 PDT Levent Hello Martin. are you there? 2019-02-17 11-24-58 PST Levent hmmm okay. i'm translating with looking Inkscape inside. i can report if i find something like that more 2019-02-17 10-40-18 PST Levent i think i found a minor error on inkscape during translation 2019-05-12 14-18-55 PDT Levent i see. okay, i already mentioned her name on transtlator's chat room 2019-05-12 14-47-22 PDT Levent i just opened a fork and requested merge. i will wait for Moini also 2019-05-12 14-31-56 PDT Levent yes, it's in Turkish 2019-05-15 14-37-20 PDT Levent Marc Jeanmougin just blocked my delete request. can you tell him to apply my delete request? 2019-05-15 14-24-31 PDT Levent Maren want to work with a group. i am not a group and i don't want to be group. i am going to delete my tutorial book also 2019-05-15 14-46-48 PDT Levent i don't understand. what kind of charge? 2019-05-12 14-26-38 PDT Levent me too. 1.0 version still under construction? 2019-05-12 14-17-47 PDT Levent and Moini isn't online now 2019-05-15 14-32-23 PDT Levent it will primary release of the inkscape.org? 2019-03-25 04-36-22 PDT Levent okay 2019-05-15 14-12-06 PDT Levent can you delete my Turkish translation on gitlab? thank you 2019-02-17 10-41-39 PST Levent open inkscape, press ctrl+shift+D and click "Grids" tab. Add a new Axonometric grid. there is three checking boxes: Enable, Visible and Snap to visible grids only. those three checking box's descriptions are displaced eachother when your mouse cursor on this three checkbox 2019-03-25 04-37-35 PDT Levent Moini helped me alot 2019-05-12 14-21-21 PDT Levent hmmm.. okay, i think i need to wait for her 2019-03-25 04-36-05 PDT Levent yes, i didn't send any email to it 2019-02-14 11-55-57 PST Levent bring* 2019-05-15 14-34-38 PDT Levent i will put it on googleplay 2019-02-17 10-39-43 PST Levent how are you? 2019-05-15 14-48-48 PDT Levent being master? could be alot of work. i only wanted to be translator, that's all. 2019-02-17 11-20-49 PST Levent My .po file has that same bug too? Should i report that if i going to finish the translation? 2019-05-12 14-33-43 PDT Levent yes in Turkey! 2019-02-17 10-43-48 PST Levent ummm... i dunno how to use gitlab 2019-02-17 11-33-15 PST Levent thanks. it's okay, i'm doing my best. 2019-05-15 14-24-34 PDT Levent she knows 2019-02-14 11-41-34 PST Levent by the way; Inkscape software translated last time in 2003 and i can translate software's new version 2019-05-12 14-31-02 PDT Levent love it. updates will keep Inscape modern always. 2019-05-12 14-14-30 PDT Levent sounds awesome :smile: 2019-05-15 14-38-18 PDT Levent what is the ship? 2019-05-15 14-35-55 PDT Levent linux 2019-05-15 14-18-49 PDT Levent it was good to know you Martin. take care. see you. 2019-05-12 14-14-17 PDT Levent i just done with .po file. and it's almost flawless job. 2019-05-15 15-05-44 PDT Levent can you show me an example? 2019-02-14 11-55-50 PST Levent well, what my project ring in your mind? 2019-03-25 04-35-14 PDT Levent Hello Martin, how are you? 2019-05-15 14-17-55 PDT Levent okay, i will be happy when you accept to delete and reput this guy's translation back 2019-02-14 11-20-26 PST Levent Hello Martin. I am the guy who want to create a Turkish tutorial book. I get your email. We haven't any Turkish tutorial book of Inkscape. That's reason very few people knows Inkscape software in Turkey. How can i get some help from you. Ps: i want to sell that book internet wide. 2019-05-12 14-25-04 PDT Levent i've worked on it for a nice job and i will keep to watch my translation if there is any change or addition. i will support always about it 2019-05-15 14-26-27 PDT Levent no, she didn't offended me. would you see our conversation? 2019-05-15 14-27-04 PDT Levent levent 11:51 PM so, here, in Turkey, we're dealing with a kind of tiran. maybe you've heard of his name before or meybe you don't. but our president's minority to us alot. he has alot of partisan to grab all works and leave us (dissident peopple) nothing. you know; i graduated from university as an art teacher on 2014 and i still searching for job (especially out of Turkey). now i'm trying to do something myself. about trying to create y own job, write a book for earn money etc.. and i want to do that jobs almost flawless for don't get reject by anyone. i don't know that group who are they. maybe they are partisan of our tiran or maybe they are opposit of him. but if you make me work with them, they will ruin my translation and it will meaning ruining my book. Moini 11:52 PM Mmh, that's a difficult situation that you are describing. levent 11:53 PM i am unemployed art teacher. so, i want to know my place for your eyes. give a decide. would you work with me? or would you work with that group? Moini 11:53 PM How would saying hi and inviting a Ubuntu user group to the translators chat to coordinate translations better ruin your book? levent 11:54 PM sayin hi to 38 people and manage all of them? have you ever read their names how much are they? Moini 11:55 PM I wouldn't expect everyone to actually join. If it's one or two, that would be a large number already. levent 11:55 PM and managing them is meaning extra time losing for me. what about for my book? Moini 11:56 PM Why do you think you'd have to manage them? levent 11:56 PM i don't want to waste my time for manage them. Moini 11:56 PM Will the book be finished before a release? levent 11:57 PM yes i am on 4th stage of my book Moini 11:57 PM Ah, so you are afraid that strings change after you wrote the book. levent 11:57 PM yeah Moini 11:57 PM This is difficult for me to write, but it is normal for this to happen. The original strings will probably also change still. levent 11:58 PM i am afraid that also i am translate something in it and put that screen in my book and someone going to change it Moini 11:58 PM We have not called for translators yet. Which we do when the strings are stable. And will not change anymore. You cannot rely on them staying the same yet It's too early. levent 12:00 AM i don't want to waste my time Maren. my time already wasted with that tiran. so, now you have two selection. chose mei or chose them. i can't work with them Moini 12:00 AM I'm not going to choose. I would like to have a healthy team. This is an open source project, and as such, everyone can contribute. I don't speak Turkish. I understand that this is causing work for your book, but this is something that cannot be changed. You are not required to work with them. But it may happen that other people come and improve your translation. This is how development works. It's not released yet, there is no way to rely on strings staying stable until the release. levent 12:04 AM so, do you want a team? Moini 12:04 AM Yes. That is what I want, but it might not be what I get. And that's okay. Nobody here has the power to tell anyone else what to do. We can only suggest. But never expect to get what we want. levent 12:05 AM okay. then delete my translation folder and reput their translation. because i am not available for team work. and i am going to delete my book. see ya. Moini 12:06 AM Maybe you will want to rethink this, we'll be here if you change your mind. Take good care, and I hope things will turn out well for you. (you will have to make a merge request for the change you want, because I am not an Inkscape developer, just administrator of the website translators) 2019-05-15 14-16-08 PDT Levent how can i do that? 2019-05-15 15-09-48 PDT Levent ok 2019-02-17 11-27-12 PST Levent by the way; the first a thousand lines are done. 2019-05-12 14-39-02 PDT Levent and they didn't translated long English strings. okay, full file on the way 2019-05-12 14-20-28 PDT Levent heheh okay, if i going to make it fork and give message to replace it, 2019-02-17 11-21-13 PST Levent you're welcome! 2019-02-14 11-56-18 PST Levent okay friend, let's talk on there 2019-03-25 04-38-26 PDT Levent here is awesome :) 2019-02-14 11-55-00 PST Levent yay! you're here 2019-05-12 14-03-35 PDT Levent Hello Martin! are you there? 2019-05-12 14-34-19 PDT Levent oh.. is someone worked Turkish translation file? let me look it up 2019-05-15 14-53-08 PDT Levent didn't understand again. Martin, i've never repack any of software in my life. and i don't know how to do. so, it won't work for me 2019-05-15 14-34-05 PDT Levent i really don't know how to do Martin 2019-05-12 14-13-55 PDT Levent i'm fine, thank you Martin, and you? 2019-05-12 14-15-26 PDT Levent now i want to put it there 2019-02-17 11-06-46 PST Levent i think i just done it: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/issues/138 2019-02-17 10-39-26 PST Levent hey Martin! 2019-05-12 14-20-35 PDT Levent that would work? 2019-03-25 04-35-39 PDT Levent i got a message from natash223 user. she want me send an email to her 2019-05-12 14-19-18 PDT Levent about 15 minutes 2019-05-12 14-33-09 PDT Levent it will be abit fat book heheh 2019-05-12 14-15-17 PDT Levent so, last 100 strings are can't translatable to Turkish language 2019-05-15 14-37-42 PDT Levent how 2019-05-12 14-14-54 PDT Levent yes. i've done 8399 strings of the 8499

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[Webmaster] Rocket.Chat, 2 Users, 150 Messages, 2 Files, 1365476 Minutes, in Direct Message Between: doctormo & bryce
by no-reply＠chat.inkscape.org 29 Apr '21

29 Apr '21

2019-11-18 14-16-15 PST Martin Owens Do you remember who added the DKIM to our mailing list server's DNS? I need some advice. 2019-01-17 12-45-07 PST Martin Owens Maybe things like proton need a helping hand? (Or inkscape should think again about hiring?) 2018-10-09 09-14-56 PDT Martin Owens Priority One request: How long does it take to move the inkscape.org dns to a new host? 2019-01-17 12-53-15 PST Martin Owens (also asking if people would be put out by it) 2018-09-23 14-39-24 PDT Martin Owens So do we remove 117 from being linked from +inkscape? 2018-10-07 12-15-23 PDT Martin Owens If you can get me a cert for test.inkscape.org too, that would be awesome. 2018-09-23 14-53-21 PDT Martin Owens nice. 2019-07-12 11-40-18 PDT Martin Owens We can pick this up later if we need to. This forums issue will get resolved for sure. 2018-09-23 14-53-25 PDT Martin Owens thanks bryce 2018-09-23 11-03-58 PDT Martin Owens I'm hoping we can have a quick chat about the exchange I've had with Grady. 2019-07-12 11-36-21 PDT Martin Owens There was no changes, just a feature request. 2020-01-24 15-43-25 PST Martin Owens I also wanted to add an appologie if I stressed you out with pushing for backup people for some of the jobs. It's my greatest hope that you continue with inkscape leadership, my fear over what I remember the effects of canonical employment biases my mood but that's not your fault at all. 2019-01-17 12-55-00 PST Martin Owens https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/mull 2018-09-23 14-22-38 PDT Martin Owens The owner of the group hasn't been active on the internet for 2 years, so it's unsure if the group is actually unattended. 2018-10-09 15-34-36 PDT Martin Owens You looking for more Open Source work? (I assume full employment is your default) 2020-09-25 16-02-05 PDT Martin Owens Hi Bryce, let me know if you're available for a chat at some point. 2018-10-09 15-27-40 PDT Martin Owens sorry to hear that. 2019-04-08 07-45-42 PDT Martin Owens Off the public record, I've been having a lot of trouble with Moini and Patrick; trying to put a stop to the extensions development and revert to 0.92 extensions (because everything worked back then!) and I'm worried that the project doesn't see any value in the massive amounts of work I've put in trying to do this hard thing. I know this is paranoid which is why I tell you in confidence that I'm worried that unless the extensions are PERFECT, then there will be a call for reversion to get the release out. 2018-09-23 14-42-21 PDT Martin Owens Yes, which is what Chris will be asked to applogise for. I think he thought the group was official. 2019-01-17 12-53-04 PST Martin Owens They won't be as or near SCALE right, so next face to face is probably LibrePlanet 2019. I think the burning questions are just how much money Inkscape as a project should have for a year scale hiring. And if we should put it to the community as a project we may want to work on. 2018-10-07 12-15-10 PDT Martin Owens Could you create `test.inkscape.org` and point it at `inkscape1.osuosl.org`, I want to rule out cert issues with 140.211.9.79 but I can't because I don't control the DNS 2018-09-23 11-03-41 PDT Martin Owens Morning bryce. 2018-09-23 14-23-41 PDT Martin Owens That would be a trademark problem, someone pretending to be Inkscape while hating us. 2018-11-20 20-57-45 PST Martin Owens Hi bryce. We've got pretty much all the features requested for the forums. Have a look. 2018-09-23 14-21-26 PDT Martin Owens Thanks Bryce. It good to be validated somewhat, with all the patience it takes to receive what is basically abuse. But attempt to keep things on track. 2018-09-23 14-38-37 PDT Martin Owens Oh I see how it works, it's attached 2019-07-12 11-40-01 PDT Martin Owens No, I understand you're trying to help. I thought I had a better reputation than evidenced above. 2018-09-23 14-51-52 PDT Martin Owens and printing 2019-03-07 17-38-38 PST Martin Owens I'm betting Patrick feels somewhat protective of Thomas. 2018-09-23 17-42-41 PDT Martin Owens Thanks Bryce! 2019-07-12 11-37-13 PDT Martin Owens You seem to be attacking me. Which isn't helpful. 2019-01-17 12-43-19 PST Martin Owens Have you the skills for this new fen-dangled xorg replacement? 2019-01-17 12-42-57 PST Martin Owens :whale: 2018-10-07 12-15-37 PDT Martin Owens But maybe for now I'll revert everything to inkscape.org and change my host 2018-09-23 14-51-27 PDT Martin Owens Just sent you a draft email 2019-07-12 11-35-44 PDT Martin Owens I'm not going to touch the issue to be fair. 2018-11-20 20-58-08 PST Martin Owens Screenshot from 2018-11-20 23-55-11.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/GFr8oy7sBa5NjseKf/Screenshot%20from%2…) 2018-09-23 14-45-15 PDT Martin Owens Aye 2018-09-23 14-23-24 PDT Martin Owens My second tier concern is that if Grady is mentally unstable, then he'll continue to act with poor judgement,but look like he's acting for Inkscape. 2018-10-09 15-22-53 PDT Martin Owens 140.211.9.79 2019-01-17 12-55-21 PST Martin Owens Don't mind me, I treat English like python, weirdly and untested. :wink: 2018-09-23 14-34-56 PDT Martin Owens Do we specify at all? 2018-09-23 17-42-38 PDT Martin Owens Email sent, all your suggestions added and a bit added to the first paragraph. 2018-09-23 14-35-24 PDT Martin Owens We have processes in Vectors to publish things in channels, one of those is G+ 2018-09-23 14-37-28 PDT Martin Owens I believe those records might not be complete. 2018-09-23 14-22-02 PDT Martin Owens I agree with both your assessment of the technicals and the likely most effective political solution. 2018-09-23 14-51-48 PDT Martin Owens Please do, any information is good. I remember some things about color profiles. 2019-03-25 04-32-43 PDT Martin Owens Looks like we have our first spammer natash223, please delete. 2018-09-24 07-51-52 PDT Martin Owens Excellent (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/PZdv6f5xrTDKstSaP/Excellent) 2018-09-23 14-41-06 PDT Martin Owens OK. Sounds good 2018-11-20 21-00-14 PST Martin Owens So I'm hoping I can get some backing, at least in terms of giving it a serious go. (or at least less negativity for our website) 2018-10-09 15-43-31 PDT Martin Owens No permission to see it, but that's ok. 2018-10-09 15-33-25 PDT Martin Owens That sounds bad; both for yourself, but also for open source in general. 2018-09-23 14-32-16 PDT Martin Owens It's the worst solution for sure 2019-01-17 12-42-06 PST Martin Owens Hope all is well, did you manage to get a new job? 2018-09-23 14-53-47 PDT Martin Owens the trick is to use solar pannels 2018-10-09 15-23-29 PDT Martin Owens The DNS stuff is tightly centrally managed. How can we share this administration? 2018-09-23 14-30-22 PDT Martin Owens Do we monitor the siutation? If we have a CoC, but people can just be utter jerks because they're a part of a seperated republic, then it really doesn't do much. 2018-10-07 12-19-18 PDT Martin Owens Actually scrap all that, we can stick to the plan of setting up `staging.inkscape.org` later and make sure this machines gets to be inkscape.org 2020-04-28 07-37-07 PDT Martin Owens How you doing bryce? All quiet on the Ubuntu front so I take it a successful LTS? (not sure if Canonical are working on owt else) 2018-10-09 15-20-01 PDT Martin Owens Can you do that? The goal is 2018-10-11T14:00:00+0 or there abouts. 2018-11-20 20-59-03 PST Martin Owens I don't want the same nay-saying that killed the forum last time to drag this effort down again. 2020-01-25 13-36-41 PST Martin Owens Not sure if you intended to reply in public. :scream_cat: thanks bryce. 2018-10-09 15-27-16 PDT Martin Owens you seem super busy, everything ok? 2019-01-17 12-48-50 PST Martin Owens I think so. Is this something we've brought up with the conservancy before? Rather than just a contract? 2019-01-17 12-54-04 PST Martin Owens Consider them mull enabled. 2018-10-09 15-13-42 PDT Martin Owens That's really slow, could we possibly have the website down for 24 hours? 2018-09-23 14-35-34 PDT Martin Owens We can't publish to +inkscape, because that name's taken. 2019-01-17 12-47-07 PST Martin Owens The hurdles for Inkscape are health inssurance and pay stability over a set period right. 2019-01-17 12-54-46 PST Martin Owens to mull something over. 2018-09-23 14-35-52 PDT Martin Owens So do we specify that we do not operate a G+ community so everyone knows to stay away? 2018-10-09 15-37-08 PDT Martin Owens That's what it looked like at DevConf, they couldn't stop talking about it. 2019-03-07 17-38-21 PST Martin Owens I don't think it's a chewing and more of a momma bear situation. 2019-04-08 07-59-34 PDT Martin Owens calling 2020-01-24 15-41-31 PST Martin Owens Hi Bryce. I'm checking in to see how your doing, personally and with the new job. I don't know if we ever gave you a proper appologie for fucking up the SFC hiring so badly. I feel like I didn't step up to break the catch22 enough within the time we had, and I greatly regret it. 2018-09-23 14-55-19 PDT Martin Owens lol, I do the mech +speed, although it's nurfed now 2018-10-09 15-27-03 PDT Martin Owens thanks 2019-07-12 11-19-13 PDT Martin Owens I'm actually at a loss there, I've stepped back and looked, but all I get is more confused. It just doesn't add up. 2018-10-09 15-35-47 PDT Martin Owens Did you checkout RedHat? 2018-09-23 14-33-51 PDT Bryce Harrington if it's a community we have no ownership of, I'm not sure we have responsibility or authority to deal with problems arising on it 2018-09-23 12-17-02 PDT Bryce Harrington anyway, thanks again for taking the lead here; in the future try to loop me in prior to starting the engagement, I can probably give better advice at that point. 2018-09-23 14-35-07 PDT Bryce Harrington how do you mean? 2018-09-23 14-42-08 PDT Bryce Harrington thinking 2018-09-23 12-09-04 PDT Bryce Harrington the Chris that he had the earlier run in with was a completely different Chris, a german named Christoffer Holmstedt 2018-10-09 15-26-56 PDT Bryce Harrington I've sent off the request. 2019-04-08 07-52-41 PDT Bryce Harrington yeah I think I can understand everyone's feelings here 2018-09-23 12-00-47 PDT Bryce Harrington we probably should have had a chat prior to the initial engagement; I could have given you some additional background and maybe steered you on a better path 2019-01-17 12-42-21 PST Bryce Harrington no new job yet :-/ 2018-09-23 14-32-18 PDT Bryce Harrington I hear you... but we can't police the internet obviously, so there's going to have to be some boundary 2019-01-17 12-46-26 PST Bryce Harrington working for Inkscape would be great, yeah. I don't know much about proton. 2018-09-23 14-37-00 PDT Bryce Harrington in my records I show we have two G+ channels, one is +inkscape, the other is this community group 2019-07-12 11-35-05 PDT Bryce Harrington For now, wait on Josh's guidance. But beyond that I would suggest to try and focus on finding your common ground - what is the bigger picture you two are 100% in agreement on, what goals do you both share, and work from there. Establish that and build from there, don't get stuck on the weeds and let things get derailed on parts that are just confused. 2019-01-17 12-51-10 PST Bryce Harrington not formally, no. I did have lunch with Bradly last month and we touched on employing developers for funded development work, and I mentioned healthcare being something we couldn't provide and he handwaved that there were ways to address that. I didn't get into any details though. 2018-09-23 14-41-33 PDT Bryce Harrington we should probably keep in mind here, Chris wasn't acting in an official capacity for Inkscape, so technically we don't have a beef with the group, it's just a personal dust up between him and one of their moderators 2019-01-17 12-42-46 PST Bryce Harrington I applied to rejoin canonical but I think the skills they're looking for are not X.org/graphics 2019-03-07 17-53-34 PST Bryce Harrington could be, whatever the case, I find it hard to not be annoying to him. :-/ 2018-09-23 14-28-36 PDT Bryce Harrington the group lists quite a few moderators, and even if the owner is inactive I don't think that means we should step in. The moderators of that group can determine what they want to do themselves. 2019-04-08 07-57-29 PDT Bryce Harrington it does sound like a very hard thing, and I suspect that's what's worrying about people - we expect this to be really challenging to pull off well, and there's probably a very high risk of unexpected issues 2018-09-23 11-59-26 PDT Bryce Harrington thanks for ccing me in the discussions; you're doing a good job dealing with the situation. 2018-10-09 15-35-14 PDT Bryce Harrington yeah hoping to stay with open source in some form 2018-09-23 12-09-29 PDT Bryce Harrington he's actually a member of Scribus, not Inkscape, and hasn't participated any further with us since that dust up (unfortunately) 2018-09-23 12-10-14 PDT Bryce Harrington maybe Grady has PTSD about Chrisses. ;-) 2018-09-23 14-42-40 PDT Bryce Harrington I did as well, although I thought it was owned by Josh. 2018-09-23 11-58-41 PDT Bryce Harrington hi martin 2018-09-23 12-07-13 PDT Bryce Harrington so.... if this is true, I'm not sure we have authority over how they run the group. And if Chris was participating there of his own accord and not as a representative of Inkscape, then I'm not sure we have any role at all in this matter. However, since Chris' posts were deleted I have no ability to verify what was said or done. 2018-09-23 12-19-52 PDT Bryce Harrington as to how to clean this up... ideally I think a sincere apology from Chris would be in the works - if only because even though he wasn't acting as a board member, fact is he is one, so it reflects poorly on the project. You're probably right this may be a tough thing to ask though, but in an ideal world that's the diplomatic course. 2019-01-17 12-47-47 PST Bryce Harrington probably more the latter. I could stay on COBRA for a while still 2019-07-12 11-41-07 PDT Bryce Harrington Yes, hopefully Josh can give some useful guidance. 2019-03-07 17-35-07 PST Bryce Harrington ugh, I hate getting chewed out by patrick 2018-09-23 12-05-08 PDT Bryce Harrington I looked at the G+ group in question - I don't recognize the names of any of the moderators, and it is owned by some russian guy. I had in my notes that Josh was the admin, but that appears not to be the case. I don't know what the history of the group is but as it's configured currently, Grady's right this seems to be a completely independent group from us 2018-10-09 15-27-21 PDT Bryce Harrington no 2018-09-23 12-08-02 PDT Bryce Harrington however, there is one point of confusion, that's a bit humorous even though it's the cause of some stress for Grady 2019-04-08 07-55-21 PDT Bryce Harrington there is no doubt that you do massive amounts of work, it's always impressive 2018-09-23 14-40-50 PDT Bryce Harrington maybe, but it might be too rash to do it right this moment, there is still a question of what *they* want the relationship to be 2019-01-17 12-45-04 PST Bryce Harrington but yeah I have useful experience in that area, just not the hard core internals 2019-07-12 11-38-05 PDT Bryce Harrington sorry, I'm trying to offer constructive criticism but perhaps this is not the time or place for that 2018-09-23 14-54-07 PDT Bryce Harrington she likes grenades 2018-09-23 14-31-18 PDT Bryce Harrington fwiw, I really don't like the idea of using the trademark as a cudgel to force communities to do things. I saw that used back in my D&D days against communities I was involved in, and it created a humongous amount of ill will. 2018-10-09 15-36-33 PDT Bryce Harrington yep, first place I applied to. They're staffing up on kubernetes mostly 2018-09-23 14-28-57 PDT Bryce Harrington if we were to push ourselves on them, given this situation, it would really blow up. 2019-07-12 11-36-33 PDT Bryce Harrington Martin, you need to remember that you *pushed* to take over implementing the forum, rather than using something off the shelf, so you have some responsibility here to make sure things go well 2019-04-08 07-52-50 PDT Bryce Harrington do you want to phone me? if you do, 503.524.2655. 2018-09-23 22-01-32 PDT Bryce Harrington nicely done, appears to have worked as planned 2019-07-12 11-35-51 PDT Bryce Harrington understand your own personality too - think of other instances where you've had differences of opinions or where your changes have upset someone, and how those got resolved 2018-09-23 14-33-07 PDT Bryce Harrington if we own a community site, then we definitely have CoC oversight duties. No question there 2019-07-12 11-38-21 PDT Bryce Harrington besides, I don't know any specifics about the issue in question 2018-09-23 14-44-59 PDT Bryce Harrington I wish Josh was more active, it'd be useful to get his input on the ownership sitch 2018-10-09 15-22-23 PDT Bryce Harrington maybe, I got a lot going on right now. what's the new IP? 2018-09-23 12-03-41 PDT Bryce Harrington maybe in the future we can make it a policy to discuss what to do beforehand. Might help ensure we have all the right facts and a good strategy 2018-09-23 15-47-03 PDT Bryce Harrington I had said Chris Holmstedt earlier, but actually you're right it was Christoph Schafer 2018-10-09 15-19-22 PDT Bryce Harrington might be quicker during business hours or if we pre-arrange it 2018-10-09 13-54-27 PDT Bryce Harrington osuosl seems to handle dns requests within about 24 hrs 2018-09-23 14-47-57 PDT Bryce Harrington were you following the prior incident? I can give you the reader's digest version 2020-04-28 11-40-27 PDT Bryce Harrington yep 2019-01-17 12-53-06 PST Bryce Harrington I do have ideas on how to strengthen our sponsorship systems, and maybe some new avenues to look for money, like grant programs and so on. Would take a lot of work to solicit sponsors but it wouldn't take too many more sponsors to get us to the level we need to be 2019-01-17 12-53-25 PST Bryce Harrington right 2019-01-17 12-55-02 PST Bryce Harrington ahhh 2018-09-23 14-21-47 PDT Bryce Harrington yeah 2019-01-17 12-44-35 PST Bryce Harrington I doubt I'll take a job working on wayland. It's too niche and honestly there's not much needing to be done at that level. 2019-07-12 11-37-18 PDT Bryce Harrington it may be that you're right, but you need to get people on the same page with you first, not just bull ahead knowing you're right 2018-09-23 12-21-19 PDT Bryce Harrington if the group is indeed unaffiliated with Inkscape and wishes no official ties with us, then it would probably be appropriate to recognize that, and for you to apologize for overstepping any boundaries out of our misunderstanding of our relationship with their group (or something to that effect). 2019-01-17 12-53-44 PST Bryce Harrington all good questions, I don't know the answer to 2018-09-23 12-17-51 PDT Bryce Harrington you're doing a remarkably good job, better than I probably would, but I think in this case maybe a different angle on it would have worked better. 2019-01-17 12-43-49 PST Bryce Harrington I got kind of sidetracked due to my mom's funeral, and then the inkscape release. There's always something to consume free time. 2018-10-09 15-42-17 PDT Bryce Harrington RT support.osuosl.org #30323 2019-01-17 12-48-21 PST Bryce Harrington I imagine the actual employment would be through Conservancy? so maybe they'd have a solution for that 2018-09-23 12-24-58 PDT Bryce Harrington IMHO, #1 priority here is to not leave any bad blood. We may need the goodwill of this group in the future (I'm thinking of a company whose name begins with W), so better to let Grady save face and back out of the situation, then to push ahead and maybe make things worse. 2018-09-23 14-53-09 PDT Bryce Harrington ok in a bit; daughter just got home and wants to play factorio 2018-10-09 15-32-58 PDT Bryce Harrington Samsung is shutting down its Open Source department, so been busy with job hunt stuff. 2019-01-17 12-54-29 PST Bryce Harrington mull?

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