2020-02-24 10-47-40 PST Victor Westmann And I was the person that went into a meeting and said it was URGENT to have a dark theme. Thank god they listened to me. 2020-02-24 10-47-21 PST Victor Westmann I am heading out as well. I want to be where I am accepted and appreciated. Sadly this is not the place to me even though, as a user, I use Inkscape since 2007. 2020-02-24 10-45-28 PST Victor Westmann It seems there is strong resistance to whatever I say just because I said it. 2020-02-19 21-05-52 PST Victor Westmann Now to the file formats! 2020-02-19 20-53-12 PST Victor Westmann In the CorelDRAW price you can put CAD$ 599 (CAD = Canadian Dollars). I am not sure how to verify this for other currencies since the website gets my region/country. And I am indeed in Canada, right now. 2020-02-19 21-44-21 PST Victor Westmann I really hope to have helped a little bit at least by pointing all the places all the file formats are in each of the programs. 2020-02-20 13-34-48 PST Victor Westmann SO much resistance on new idesas 2020-02-19 14-44-42 PST Victor Westmann hmmmmmmm... I see. 2020-02-19 14-38-11 PST Victor Westmann that is insane! 😱 2020-02-20 13-34-44 PST Victor Westmann Dear lord 2020-02-17 15-26-05 PST Victor Westmann I am not sure if anything will ever be perfect 2020-02-20 14-16-28 PST Victor Westmann so hard to do anything new on this project... 2020-02-20 10-43-58 PST Victor Westmann It is so cool to see this comparison table gradually take shape! 2020-02-13 16-58-00 PST Victor Westmann 'Just asked the company of the assets I bought if it is ok to reuse them in our website 2020-02-17 15-23-51 PST Victor Westmann Or at least, the requirements, could go with the ABOUT > ABOUT section since it is very short. 2020-02-19 21-58-38 PST Victor Westmann Or we need to make very clear that the currency to buy the licenses are in USD. 2020-02-20 00-36-11 PST Victor Westmann REQUIREMENTS FOR INKSCAPE 2020-02-20 13-34-56 PST Victor Westmann :grin: 2020-02-18 10-20-42 PST Victor Westmann And thank you for finally accepting to do a first attempt at the features page. Lets see how things unfold. 2020-02-19 21-22-48 PST Victor Westmann but the link fits only 5 competitors. So one product of the list is not there. 2020-02-18 10-20-15 PST Victor Westmann It is good to have you on the team 2020-02-24 10-48-25 PST Victor Westmann So at least I feel I gave some small contribution to this project. Even though I did not coded any of this. 2020-02-24 21-14-12 PST Victor Westmann [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/brynn?msg=fwCXkKEq9KDpiXYMs) Which pages are you talking about? I can always publish them under my own inkscape wiki profile. No one should touch it since it is my own profile. I have put other things in there as well both to practice using wikipedia platform a bit better and to save the ideas I had at the time no to lose them. () 2020-02-17 15-45-31 PST Victor Westmann Less stress and pain for everyone. What do you think? :) 2020-02-20 00-36-04 PST Victor Westmann Hey Brynn... look how funny this thing that I found! I just found Windows S Store... and what did I find in there? 2020-02-20 13-34-53 PST Victor Westmann it is tiring!!! 2020-02-18 10-19-34 PST Victor Westmann Hi Brynn. Thank you for your help. I would not be able to move this forward without your help. 2020-02-19 14-45-03 PST Victor Westmann Does it look too ugly without column width? :sweat_smile: 2020-02-24 10-46-43 PST Victor Westmann We brag to be an open source software project but we can't put a simple table comparing basic aspects of different programs, all in the same category, god knows why. 2020-02-19 21-50-17 PST Victor Westmann or 24.0.2 2020-02-17 15-36-40 PST Victor Westmann Affinity Design is a better product to compare Inkscape to. It has nice features and it is easier to understand and compare to. My vote is to replace Xara with Affinity Designer. 2020-02-19 21-10-19 PST Victor Westmann that is odd! 2020-02-17 15-34-07 PST Victor Westmann For Waterfall and Agile I mean... Waterfall is an old way of working on projects where they need heavy list of requirements and things are monolithic. 2020-02-20 00-36-58 PST Victor Westmann I am not back. I am still going to sleep! lol 2020-02-19 22-15-13 PST Victor Westmann [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/brynn?msg=YhTqKEnBWX6tnQnp6) You can leave them blank. They don't run on Linux / FreeBSD. () 2020-02-20 11-48-20 PST Victor Westmann approx 50 == ~50? 2020-02-20 11-49-02 PST Victor Westmann this is what matters most! 2020-02-14 11-59-21 PST Victor Westmann Here is the answer. 2020-02-19 21-54-05 PST Victor Westmann [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/brynn?msg=Hk5n8GXnofqo6zX74) But on my Windows machine it says a version slightly bigger. () 2020-02-17 15-19-41 PST Victor Westmann Maybe we can make a short version of the features page and a longer version. How does that sound? In my opinion requirements deserved a whole new section inside of the ABOUT section of the inkscape.org website. 2020-02-20 12-01-18 PST Victor Westmann Yes. Better. Thank you. 2020-02-17 15-37-10 PST Victor Westmann Any questions? :) 2020-02-19 20-57-27 PST Victor Westmann CorelDRAW = https://www.coreldraw.com/ (CAD$ 599.00 once / CAD$ 219.00 /year) Affinity Designer = https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/ ( CAD$ 69.00 once (perpetual license) Adobe Illustrator = https://www.adobe.com/products/illustrator.html (US$ 29.99 / month) 2020-02-18 10-20-08 PST Victor Westmann And congratulations on the massive effort to help with the extensions authors. It sounds like a big big effort to get in touch with everyone and ask them to update their work so it will work on the 1.0 release. 2020-02-19 21-14-19 PST Victor Westmann do you live in US by any chance? 2020-02-19 20-53-54 PST Victor Westmann For *Affinity Designer* price you can put CAD$ 69.00 (perpetual license) / or paid only once. 2020-02-20 11-47-52 PST Victor Westmann Looking good. Maybe a little too small? But it is better than before 2020-02-19 21-48-54 PST Victor Westmann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Illustrator release December 2019. 2020-02-20 11-48-12 PST Victor Westmann very very small suggestion... instead of writing "approximate" / "approx" can we use ~? 2020-02-19 20-34-57 PST Victor Westmann You missed a couple of things. Let me get out of my phone and get my laptop. 1 sec 2020-02-20 11-45-09 PST Victor Westmann I don't know. I cannot see it! How can I see it? 2020-02-19 20-34-22 PST Victor Westmann There is no need to talk to anyone for this. I can help you with the file formats supported 2020-02-20 13-34-49 PST Victor Westmann right? 2020-02-19 20-33-48 PST Victor Westmann I was the one that put featutes in there 2020-02-19 21-05-57 PST Victor Westmann No no. You don't. 2020-02-16 10-21-22 PST Victor Westmann Hi Brynn. I think you already got the general idea of how I would like to use images (/icons) in the features page. It would be something similar to this one https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/designer/ . Is there any reason for our limitation? Is it because we don't know how to do it or limitation from the technology we are using? Do you know if maybe we are able to do this then? https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/designer/full-feature-list/ 2020-02-14 11-59-16 PST Victor Westmann https://twitter.com/graphicpear/status/1228351461924507649 2020-02-17 15-40-21 PST Victor Westmann Yes. If we could use and showcase a couple of SVG icons that would be superb. If this looks ugly we can always fallback and revert to the previous state. 2020-02-19 14-42-36 PST Victor Westmann
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2020-02-20 14-16-42 PST Victor Westmann no worries. thank you for your help so far., really appreciate it! 2020-02-24 10-20-24 PST Victor Westmann Again, we all know we need planning, we need discussions, we need different points of views, always, in all initiatives. But sometimes it is too much. 2020-02-19 21-57-58 PST Victor Westmann Affinity Designer prices are wrong Brynn. From the website it says: 2020-02-20 10-43-40 PST Victor Westmann Yes. Smaller is more elegant. 2020-02-13 19-50-39 PST Victor Westmann I will post the answer to you when they give me one. Normally this take a day or two. If you have an account you can also see it but you don't have to have an account if you have the link to the answer. 2020-02-24 10-48-00 PST Victor Westmann I was the one that asked for floating panels, dockable panels, and about layers panel. 2020-02-19 21-45-00 PST Victor Westmann At least all the references are solid since they are all official documentation/manuals from the respective companies that created them. 2020-02-19 21-11-13 PST Victor Westmann what happens when you click on the SUBSCRIPTION tab? 2020-02-17 15-44-12 PST Victor Westmann Is it ok If I polish a little bit more the competitor analysis and then we can send it to other team members to review? 2020-02-20 00-49-22 PST Victor Westmann Windows S
S Windows 10 S is a feature-limited edition of Windows 10 designed primarily for low-end devices in the education market (Pretty much a Windows 10 starter but way more limited). It has a faster initial setup and login process, and allows devices to be provisioned using a USB drive with the "Set Up School PCs" app. Windows 10 S only allows the installation of software (both Universal Windows Platform and Windows API apps) from Microsoft Store, although command line programs or shells (even from Microsoft Store) are not allowed.[7][8] System settings are locked to allow only Microsoft Edge as the default web browser with Bing as its search engine.[9] The operating system may be upgraded to Windows 10 Pro for a fee, to enable unrestricted software installation.[10][11] All Windows 10 S devices include a free one-year subscription to Minecraft: Education Edition. Critics have compared the edition to Windows RT, and have considered it to be a competitor to Chrome OS.[10][12][13][14][15] In March 2018, Microsoft announced that it would be phasing out Windows 10 S, citing confusion among manufacturers and end-users. Microsoft stated that it would replace this edition with the ability for vendors to ship their Windows 10 Home or Pro devices in "S Mode", wherein Windows defaults to only allowing applications to be installed from Microsoft Store. S Mode does not require payment in order to disable these restrictions.[16][17] Switching out of S mode is permanent, and even after switching out it is not possible to run 64-bit apps.[18]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions 2020-02-17 15-33-17 PST Victor Westmann Yes. Everything that we agreed is ok. All stands the same. I was just concerned that you said that putting the table of requirements in the features, according to what you said earlier, would make it too much information at the same place. I am fine with that.
For the features page we can try to have a short version of it, with the most important features, and then, maybe, work on a long and detailed version of the features page.
Not being able to use icons is sad... but thats fine! As long as the info is there. 2020-02-20 11-45-34 PST Victor Westmann Where are you editing all this info? 2020-02-13 17-00-16 PST Victor Westmann The collection I would love to buy is this one https://streamlineicons.com/ but it costs expensive US$ 274. 2020-02-26 08-59-30 PST Victor Westmann You know what? I will do the same. What's the point in collaborating to a project we are not understood and not appreciated? None 2020-02-19 21-08-07 PST Victor Westmann oh boy. And what are you seeing in it? 2020-02-20 11-48-53 PST Victor Westmann it is ok my friend. the content is all there. and it looks nice. 2020-02-25 10-28-32 PST Victor Westmann If you give up on moving the comparison table forward you can send it to me and I will finish what you have started. Will publish this somewhere else since Inkscape project is way too special to publish this anywhere. 2020-02-17 17-21-38 PST Victor Westmann [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/brynn?msg=b2mWgHD4bda7qh8XH) Sounds great to me! () 2020-02-19 14-38-55 PST Victor Westmann Oh so this is inside of a forum post? 2020-02-19 21-04-02 PST Victor Westmann Do you think it is interesting to put the full name of the programs? With their versions? Instead of CorelDRAW we can put CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 2019? 2020-02-17 13-56-11 PST Victor Westmann Do you agree with this? 2020-02-24 10-46-01 PST Victor Westmann It is tiring to be fought and not comprehend , like you said, why such a small and simple table would violate anything in the project. 2020-02-19 21-09-38 PST Victor Westmann From the top navigation you can try to go to the path: Products > Illustration & Design >CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 2019 (Windows) 2019-12-10 14-24-18 PST Victor Westmann Hi Brynn 2020-02-17 13-55-15 PST Victor Westmann Hi Brynn. I see. If having a more modern looking website is out of question -- at least for now -- this is fine. We will focus then in making the features page more long in text descriptions and in length.what do you say to that? 2020-02-17 17-22-19 PST Victor Westmann [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/brynn?msg=JxaTC5sA5wpzbfeTa) I think for a very first draft it is decent. () 2020-02-19 21-59-07 PST Victor Westmann What do you think? 2020-02-24 10-45-13 PST Victor Westmann I love it very very much. But I also want to be in a place where my contributions are accepted and appreciated. 2020-02-19 14-36-33 PST Victor Westmann You did? Wow! Congrats! How many authors were there? 2020-02-25 23-21-55 PST Victor Westmann look at this quote from this book:
*Prevent Territoriality*
_Watch out for participants who try to stake out exclusive ownership of certain areas of the project, and who seem to want to do all the work in those areas, to the extent of aggressively taking over work that others start. Such behavior may even seem healthy at first. After all, on the surface it looks like the person is taking on more responsibility, and showing increased activity within a given area. But in the long run, it is destructive. When people sense a "no trespassing" sign, they stay away. This results in reduced review in that area, and greater fragility, because the lone developer becomes a single point of failure. Worse, it fractures the cooperative, egalitarian spirit of the project. The theory should always be that any developer is welcome to help out on any task at any time. Of course, in practice things work a bit differently: people do have areas where they are more and less influential, and non-experts frequently defer to experts in certain domains of the project. But the key is that this is all voluntary: informal authority is granted based on competence and proven judgement, but it should never be actively taken. Even if the person desiring the authority really is competent, it is still crucial that she hold that authority informally, through the consensus of the group, that the exact boundaries of the authority remain fuzzy and subjective, and that the authority never cause her to exclude others from working in that area._
_Rejecting or editing someone's work for technical reasons is an entirely different matter, of course. There, the decisive factor is the content of the work, not who happened to act as gatekeeper. It may be that the same person happens to do most of the reviewing for a given area, but as long as he never tries to prevent someone else from doing that work too, things are probably okay._
Source: https://producingoss.com/en/producingoss.html#praise-and-criticism 2020-02-17 15-39-50 PST Victor Westmann Waterfall VS Agile are different ways projects are managed, in general. 2020-02-19 21-10-16 PST Victor Westmann Or black? Mixed with the same color of the background? 2020-02-20 11-48-36 PST Victor Westmann or is it too hard for other people to grasp this? :thinking: 2020-02-24 17-01-20 PST Victor Westmann I hope they give you a good explanation as well. This project is incredible and it has an enormous potential... but if team members are not open to allow things to happen... things will either not happen or take a long time to happen. Sadly. Things could be done so much faster here. 2020-02-19 21-37-54 PST Victor Westmann File formats (import and export) for *Affinity Designer* https://affinity.help/designer/en-US.lproj/index.html?page=/Appendix/filefor... *Adobe Illustrator* https://helpx.adobe.com/in/illustrator/kb/supported-file-formats-illustrator... *CorelDRAW Graphics Suite* (Import files page 775, export files, 778) http://product.corel.com/help/CorelDRAW/540111130/Main/EN/User-Guide/CorelDR... 2020-02-19 21-47-15 PST Victor Westmann In the wikipedia article about it, which seems to be current, says CC2020. 2020-02-19 21-22-30 PST Victor Westmann Just out of curiosity, I just got to know that, overall, Inkscape is searched in 2nd (in volumes of searches done using Google search engine) if you compare: Adobe Illustrator CorelDRAW Graphics Suite Affinity Designer Inkscape Vectornator Gravit Designer https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=Adobe%20Illustrator,In... 2020-02-13 16-58-02 PST Victor Westmann and 2020-02-17 15-34-36 PST Victor Westmann Agile is a way of working that allows people to work a little bit faster because things are incremented in small chunks. But revised more often. 2020-02-19 21-01-44 PST Victor Westmann Also, in the platforms offered, it is worth to mention that there is a version of Affinity Designer for iPad. 2020-02-19 21-48-33 PST Victor Westmann *CC2020* should be *24.0.2* 2020-02-19 20-34-27 PST Victor Westmann Absolutely 2020-02-19 14-40-24 PST Victor Westmann hmmmm 2020-02-17 15-43-18 PST Victor Westmann I don't think it is worth to mention other/minor "competitors" like Vectornator and/or Gravit Designer. 2020-02-17 15-43-29 PST Victor Westmann they are very new and have yet to prove their value, in my opinion. 2020-02-24 21-14-54 PST Victor Westmann Feel free to provide comments/feedback https://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Victorwestmann 2020-02-19 21-08-14 PST Victor Westmann In my side I can see the price. 2020-02-20 14-14-37 PST Victor Westmann were we able to communicate our point? 2020-02-17 15-23-57 PST Victor Westmann Maybe it could use some more content in there. 2020-02-17 15-36-07 PST Victor Westmann https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=xara%20xt... 2020-02-19 21-59-02 PST Victor Westmann Maybe you could remove the version numbers from the programs and put them that the last version of this table was done on FEBRUARY/2020. 2020-02-17 13-56-03 PST Victor Westmann I will focus in getting more information on the "competitors" of inkscape. I think Xara could e out and Affinity Design could be in 2020-02-19 22-47-29 PST Victor Westmann Going to bed now. Have a good night! 2020-02-17 16-36-50 PST Victor Westmann Tab Inkscape features VC competitors 2020-02-19 21-03-50 PST Victor Westmann [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/brynn?msg=NG6iQucRpfzcKKDKW) Only Affinity Designer. None of the others work for iPad (as far as I know). () 2020-02-19 21-20-31 PST Victor Westmann oh my. 2020-02-24 10-21-12 PST Victor Westmann I am thinking of pausing my activities for Inkscape and come back after 1 year? 2 years? idk. 2020-02-17 16-36-57 PST Victor Westmann https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hqrIu87M-LiVjgGRoTLAELy-DWmZbVuKoohP... 2020-02-19 21-51-33 PST Victor Westmann Affinity designer 1.7.1.404 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_Designer 2020-02-13 16-57-42 PST Victor Westmann Hey Brynn 2020-02-19 22-14-37 PST Victor Westmann Maybe for 2021, for the 2nd version of this table, I can help adding the *Gravit Designer* in the table. Gravit designer has a reasonably decent manual and it is also available in a couple of OSes as well. 2020-02-20 13-34-42 PST Victor Westmann Ok 2020-02-24 10-01-44 PST Victor Westmann I feel so demotivated by all that happened last week. 2020-02-24 10-01-31 PST Victor Westmann Hi Brynn. How are you? How are things going? 2020-02-17 15-45-22 PST Victor Westmann If it is accepted in general, we will continue working on it. If Inkscape team members complain/scream about this table we shot it down quickly. 2020-02-19 21-04-40 PST Victor Westmann Instead of Adobe Illustrator, we can put Adobe Illustrator CC 2020? 2020-02-19 20-58-04 PST Victor Westmann Adobe Illustrator price I was able to get in USD. So this one is fine. But for CorelDRAW and Affinity Designer maybe I will need your help to get the prices in USD. 2020-02-19 21-00-10 PST Victor Westmann [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/brynn?msg=g5RhLYgLf4Nj5nFAE) In the platforms offered it would only run on a pendrive it the OS is Windows. It is worth to make this a tiny bit clearer. () 2020-02-19 21-01-22 PST Victor Westmann Sure! Good idea. 2020-02-17 15-36-05 PST Victor Westmann I would like to remove Xara from the comparison table because it lost relevance in 2015 Here is a google trend chart the shows it Observe the year of 2015 and how things dramatically change. 2020-02-19 14-37-06 PST Victor Westmann Let me know if I can help you with anything on the HTML side. I do know some of it, 2020-02-17 16-36-34 PST Victor Westmann Do you think we can publish a first draft of the comparison table we already have? 2020-02-17 15-44-58 PST Victor Westmann Will try to get a max of 10 to 15 features to put in the table and then you can review it and send it to other people from the team to check it as well. 2020-02-20 14-14-29 PST Victor Westmann did we get anywhere? 2020-02-19 14-42-12 PST Victor Westmann it seems to me that using a table width is HTML4 and not HTML 5. Do we really need to have table width? 2019-12-10 14-24-24 PST Victor Westmann How are you doing today? 2020-02-19 21-06-42 PST Victor Westmann Try this link Brynn: https://www.coreldraw.com/en/product/coreldraw/?topNav=en 2020-02-13 16-58-30 PST Victor Westmann https://www.graphicpear.com/edge/ (this is the bundle I bought). Amazing 5k icons. It is just outstanding collection of icons. 2020-02-17 15-25-50 PST Victor Westmann We publish the table small and grow from there? It seems we are constantly waiting for things to get perfect. 2019-12-10 14-24-44 PST Victor Westmann Thank you! 2020-02-19 21-11-21 PST Victor Westmann they need to show you some price. 2020-02-17 15-26-39 PST Victor Westmann Let me know your thoughts in this 2020-02-17 15-42-31 PST Victor Westmann One more thing, having only really famous and popular vector editors in our comparison study, or whatever you want to call it, is great. You know why? Because it is implicit we compete with these other programs. In the same level. And this is not an exaggeration by any means. 2020-02-24 10-44-52 PST Victor Westmann Yeah. I am sorry to hear you are planning to go as well... you seem to be a very valued and valuable contributor to this project. 2020-02-17 16-36-40 PST Victor Westmann From lines 2 to 20? 2020-02-19 21-51-44 PST Victor Westmann I have this product in my computer as well so I can confirm this is true and accurate. 2020-02-17 15-25-14 PST Victor Westmann Also, one question about the requirements table. Is it ok if we take an Agile approach instead of a Waterfall approach? 2019-12-10 14-24-39 PST Victor Westmann Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help with the bug triage. 2020-02-19 21-50-04 PST Victor Westmann I would assume so! 2020-02-13 16-58-01 PST Victor Westmann https://twitter.com/vwestmann/status/1228120982507806720 2020-02-19 21-10-05 PST Victor Westmann have you tried selecting above the blue button to see if by some random/weird chance of destiny the price is there but hidden? 2020-02-19 21-08-28 PST Victor Westmann feel free to send me a printscreen/screenshot... 2020-02-24 21-12-58 PST Victor Westmann :pensive: 2020-02-19 21-58-03 PST Victor Westmann Clipboard - February 19, 2020 9:57 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/Cqe88js8ZDPFPMDZf/Clipboard%20-%20Febr...) 2020-02-20 00-37-02 PST Victor Westmann good night! lol 2020-02-20 00-36-12 PST Victor Westmann https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/p/inkscape/9pd9bhglfc7h?rtc=1&activetab=... 2020-02-19 21-52-01 PST Victor Westmann But for CorelDRAW we might be in trouble in case they don't have anything in Wikipedia. 2020-02-19 21-55-45 PST Victor Westmann Clipboard - February 19, 2020 9:55 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/9DmMPAhWxtkQdeWRd/Clipboard%20-%20Febr...) 2020-02-19 21-05-08 PST Victor Westmann It will be more current... but it will be easily be NOT up to date when these companies release new versions of their products. It is your call! 2020-02-20 14-14-59 PST Victor Westmann I don't want to fight with project folks... but we should be at least able to try a couple of new things from time to time right? 2020-02-19 21-06-47 PST Victor Westmann let me know if it works for you or not, please. 2020-02-20 14-15-42 PST Victor Westmann at tag? 2020-02-24 10-19-41 PST Victor Westmann People just resist new ideas. Just because they are new. They do not have any empathy to explain things in a reasonable manner... 2020-02-17 15-42-48 PST Victor Westmann We are as good as CorelDraw, Adobe Illustrator, and Affinity Designer in different areas. 2020-02-20 14-14-25 PST Victor Westmann oh my 2020-02-17 15-37-06 PST Victor Westmann About the requirement table all remains the same. About the competitor analysis I will brush it a little bit more today. 2020-02-19 14-39-08 PST Victor Westmann I can try to help find a way to find this if you would need/like my help. 2020-02-24 10-42-02 PST brynn No, it's not that they're resistant to new ideas. I haven't figured out exactly what it is yet though. But it would help if someone would answer my question in the website chatroom, about what is this value that they want to uphold.
I suspect that certain people (Martin the ring leader) want the website to be this shining example of a free software utopia. And somehow (I don't know how yet) this table would violate that.
I'm also about ready to take a break. I keep trying to make the website more friendly to users, but for some reason, they don't like it. I have not figured out exactly why yet.
I really don't get the resistance to this table. The reaction is totally out of proportion. It's a complete mystery to me. And I don't know what to do, until someone explains why.
If no one answers at all this week, I'll probably drop out. But I hope they care enough to answer. 2020-02-19 14-38-32 PST brynn I'm in a forum right now trying to find code to set a column width. I have a bunch of code from a long time ago, but I can't find the column width. 2020-02-20 12-00-36 PST brynn bettetr, right? 2020-02-20 00-40-28 PST brynn Wow, that must be something from the MS store! whoever put Inkscape in the MS store must have filled that out. I'm juat guessing. This is the first time I've ever been to MS sstore. 2020-02-17 15-38-55 PST brynn There might be some way to use them. I'm just not sure exactly what you had in mind. On the Affinity page, I only saw one section that had a similar kind of icons. So we can't use them like that....well.....possibly, I guess. Is that what you meant, in the Built For Your Workflow section of the page? I can think of some ways to use them.
Re Waterfall and Agile, you mean ways of editing, rather than formats for the tables? 2020-02-19 20-53-59 PST brynn If you give me the links, I can probably get them in US $ 2020-02-20 00-36-48 PST brynn Wow that was a short night's sleep! 2020-02-19 21-09-22 PST brynn x.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/MQcznCtqNbCuy8ENg/x.png) 2020-02-24 17-23-17 PST brynn I just wish I knew what the problem is. 2020-02-17 17-05-41 PST brynn We can still work on it. But just don't ask for reviews until after 1.0 goes out 2020-02-20 08-18-25 PST brynn comptable4.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/B6a9vQynWkm6GAABc/comptable4.png) 2020-02-15 19-49-32 PST brynn Ok, just show me a mockup of the table and where you want the icons. I don't know for a fact if we can use them in the way that you might be thinking. For example, the table would probably look something like this one, on the website. https://inkscape.org/contribute/to-do-list/ We could put some icons in there, but there's not a lot of flexibility.
2020-02-19 17-03-03 PST brynn Could you give me an icon that might work for Price and another that might work for License, and I can play with how we can use them. The size needs to be whatever the regular text size is on the website. Or I guess if it's vector, I can resize it myself. 2020-02-19 22-08-35 PST brynn Does Illustrator, Corel or Affinity run on Linux or BSD? Or should I leave those blank? 2020-02-19 14-14-17 PST brynn Ok, I finished contacting the extension authors. I've had a look at the tables feature now. It's very rudimentary! But there's also an option to use html. So at the moment, I'm trying to re-learn how to code tables in html. I might be able to do something better than just the default. We'll see. It's also possible the site does not allow certain code. But we'll see. 2020-02-19 20-35-54 PST brynn Oh, there's a lot still missing. What you see in the screenshot is all that I've done yet. 2020-02-19 21-20-16 PST brynn weird website. It's the same price as you found for canada. They just gave me a link to a store subdomain, but when I click the link, I lost the chat session. But at least I got the prices first! 2020-02-20 14-15-24 PST brynn Oh, I was trying to encourage you at one particular moment. But I forgot the at tag. 2020-02-17 16-57-21 PST brynn I could go ahead work up the proposed page with that much for now, if you want. 2020-02-19 21-05-44 PST brynn I can't get the Corel site to tell me the price. Do I actually have to download it to find out?? arrgh! 2020-02-19 17-32-17 PST brynn New screenshot. 2020-02-20 14-16-19 PST brynn I'm not sure where we are at this moment. I have to log off pretty soon. at=@ 2020-02-19 21-07-47 PST brynn That's the exact page I'm looking at. 2020-02-19 15-08-50 PST brynn comptable1.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/4WcNwtCR5ncmG78Pf/comptable1.png) 2020-02-19 14-37-27 PST brynn I didn't count. But probably around 300. Maybe a little more. 2020-02-24 17-17-18 PST brynn I'm starting to think there is not going to be an explanation. Martin contacted me about something else today, but didn't mention that.
I guess I'll just delete those pages. Although we could still work on it, and put some graphics on it and make it better -- I'm not feeling especially generous right now. So it will just have to wait for someone else to gather some courage. 2020-02-19 17-32-30 PST brynn comptable2.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/jg7uJPuYip3CHsZsP/comptable2.png) 2020-02-17 14-20-09 PST brynn I'm not sure about making the current Features page longer. I was thinking that if we add in the 2 tables with the competitors and the minimum req, it would make it too long. I was thinking we might have to pare down what's on the page currently. But I'm flexible with that. Whatever we do will need to be reviewed by others (whoever cares to review it). So maybe no one will care if it's longer? My past experience says people tend to like shorter pages, but it can't hurt to try it.
I'm not sure at this moment, but I'm hoping when I get in there and have a look at it, there might be some more options for tables. Or if I can find out about an interactive image, that might turn out to be a possibliity. If it is a possibility, the Features page would be a good test run for other pages. But don't get your hopes up too much. I have a feeling if it was possible, we would already be doing it on some pages.
I'm not familiar with other graphics programs. So that would be all up to you, about which programs are compared and which aren't. 2020-02-20 11-44-47 PST brynn Too small? 2020-02-19 17-04-08 PST brynn Also, it's probably better to use US prices, if you could get those? 2020-02-26 06-11-40 PST brynn You have my email if you want to contact me. But I won't be around the Inkscape project for a good long while. 2020-02-17 17-00-23 PST brynn Actually, if we showed a proposed new page right now....we should probably wait to do that until after 1.0 is released. I've been told not to contact developers at all right now, apparently because they are so busy. 2020-02-19 14-45-36 PST brynn Yeah, kind of. But i'll find out shortly. 2020-02-24 10-59-19 PST brynn Hah, well, apparently not so valuable. I just hope someone cares enough to explain. 2020-02-20 13-50-00 PST brynn go, go, make him say it! (is this wrong?? if I'm out of line just say so) 2020-02-20 11-48-38 PST brynn I can make a little bigger. 2020-02-20 11-45-36 PST brynn here it comes 2020-02-19 17-22-54 PST brynn Also need the Platforms section completely filled out. Unless where you have a dash, that means "No"?? 2020-02-19 21-46-50 PST brynn I can't find a version number for Illustrator. 2020-02-20 10-36-18 PST brynn Should I make the text for the footnotes smaller? I'm thinking so. ?? 2020-02-19 22-47-55 PST brynn Ok. See you next time. 2020-02-19 22-01-11 PST brynn US price is different. I'll add "USD". Ok, I'll take the version numbers out. 2020-02-19 21-54-15 PST brynn Still need the rest of the platform info 2020-02-19 21-10-59 PST brynn Yeah, the black box refreshes, but n othing else shows up. Still looking around 2020-02-19 20-01-44 PST brynn Actually, if you could fill in the rest of the table, I can probably finish fairly quickly. 2020-02-19 21-10-25 PST brynn That's the page I"m on, that in the screenshot. 2020-02-19 21-14-06 PST brynn Same thing. this is typical. I'm going to try to open a live chat. 2020-02-20 13-34-22 PST brynn @victorwestmann don't give up so fast. We might be changing their minds. 2020-02-17 16-37-37 PST brynn No, I don't mind if you add more to the competitor table. I didn't think we were finished with it. If you don't mind, could you use the same features we already agreed on, And then below that, add the new ones that you want. Then my poor old brain won't be confused. And once I see them, we can organize them as needed. I think we probably have close to 10 already?
I'm happy with whatever you decide for the other programs. As long as you can gather the info that's needed.
I suggest we don't show the table by itself to the rest of the community. I suggest we put it on the page with our best effort. When they see it as a proposed change to the website, they will pay attention. If we just show they table, they will just say, set it up how you want it on the website, and then show us again. In some ways, this is a very bottom line kind of community! Plus, half or more of the website team is trying to get 1.0 ready. So the less time we ask for right now, the better.
I mean, I'm talking about the final table that we would put on the website, and need the approval of the website team. But if you want to show it to others, to get more input, before we finalize it for the website, go ahead.
Regarding waterfall and agile. With just you and I, we can be totally agile. Or if you want to bring more heads into it, invite them in! As far as when we put it on the website, it still is kind of agile, because there are a lot of website editors. When we show it as a proposed new page, people might want changes. And maybe someone will not see the proposed page, and after its published they will see it, and edit something. Nothing is ever really set in stone, in this kind of community.
Hold on, let me look at it. 2020-02-19 21-52-03 PST brynn Ok 2020-02-26 06-10-34 PST brynn comptable.txt (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/WmENtQrkn3jMe4uR5/comptable.txt) 2020-02-19 14-43-31 PST brynn Otherwise, the column conforms to the text inside. But I want extra white space, to make it look nicer. 2020-02-19 14-39-08 PST brynn No, no. 2019-12-10 14-24-53 PST brynn Hi. I just answered in bug migration channel. 2020-02-19 15-08-20 PST brynn I think I got it. I have a screenshot to show you what I have for a start. Not sure is I can attache it here? I'll try. That's the bottom of Features page and top of table. 2020-02-19 21-00-58 PST brynn Maybe use a footnote? 2020-02-17 17-27-09 PST brynn Ok. At the moment, I'm trying to finish up another project (notifying 3rd party extension authors that their extension probably won't work with 1.0, so they can hopefully fix them). Only about 40 out of 300 left! But as soon as I finish that, I'll start working on Features page. 2020-02-26 06-10-09 PST brynn I already deleted the pages, but I think I saved the table itself as html. Let's see.... yes, I have it. It's pretty small, I guess I could attach here? It's a TXT file. I'll try to attach it next.
I think territorialism is probably part of what happened. But mostly it looks like they just didn't give us enough time. They just made a snap judgement without seeing what was possible.
So I think that's just too bad for Inkscape, and it will be a long time, if I ever come back and particpate. 2020-02-17 13-20-41 PST brynn Well no, I didn't have any idea what you had in mind.
Of course there are people in the community who know how to write html to create a page like that. But you've seen the Inkscape website. For the most part, that's our limit. It might be possible to put an interactive image on one of our pages, but we would have to consult Martin. I don't personally know how to do it. I guess it would have to be....well....I just don't know. It would have to be an image format which allows active links, or....I don't know. Let me investigate a little. There are parts of the website which I don't understand, but maybe they would allow an interactive image. I'll have a look whenever your table is ready with comparing other programs. Then we'll work on the Features page and see what we can do. But it won't be anything even remotely close to the Affinity website. That would need an entirely new website design.
I agree that the current website is not appropriate for promoting a graphics program. I very much want to get more graphics onto the site. And putting more graphics is not out of the question. But a page like Affinity is out of the question - at least for now. There has been some talk (although I haven't heard much lately) about making a responsive design. This stupid fixed width website is a pile of crap, in my opinion. But I haven't heard any talk about it in a while. Everyone is busy trying to get 1.0 released right now. It would really be a bad time to bring up a new website design. 2020-02-17 15-30-56 PST brynn I thought you said you wanted it on Features page? I thought Download page would be better, because that's where I would look for it. But I'm ok with Features though.
I don't think About page would work. Because look at the kind of info that's on the About page currently. It's nothing about systems or features or anything very specific at all. It's all very general and introductory info. It wouldn't fit there.
I don't know what Agile or Waterfall means, reagarding tables. You'll have to show me.
Which table you want small and then grow?
For min req, I thought we agreed on it, how it is -- the one I attached in the forum? I thought we agreed on that, and that's what we were going to use. 2020-02-20 13-36-32 PST brynn Yeah, when Martin doesn't like something, he starts spouting all this technically advanced language to try and confuse us ordinary users. Makes me raving mad! 2020-02-17 16-57-46 PST brynn Is it going to take you longer time to get the rest of the info that you want? 2020-02-13 19-06-35 PST brynn Do I need to be a member of twitter to see their response? Or did they just not answer yet? 2020-02-19 20-34-17 PST brynn Oh, well that makes it easy then! 2020-02-19 14-42-50 PST brynn Table width will be 100%. I need column width. 2020-02-17 16-48-22 PST brynn I don't know if it will work to paste this in here. It's the list from the last email we talked about this. It has the features organized a little better. For example, Community Driven, Respects Your Freedom, Allows to Study Source, all are different facets of open source development. So we should combine them somehow. Let's see if this list will paste in here:
Price License Free and Open Source (Community driven?, Respects your freedom?,
also includes Allows you to study source code of the program) (all that in a footnote?)
Platforms Offered (add Run from thumbdrive?)? Written In File Formats Supported (approx number of formats, not the list of
formats)
Strictly Conforms to SVG Standards)(with link to the standards
page) >>>> Native SVG file format? >>>> SVG/XML Editor
Languages available Commandline and Scripting Support Needs internet connection? CMYK features? Live Path Effects Flowed Text AutoTrace (raster to vector)
Wow, does Inkscape really offer over 50 languages? I think it tries to, but I don't think it succeeds. We should maybe ask Maren what would be a good number to put there. Or maybe say "up to 50" ?? 2020-02-19 14-40-27 PST brynn But if you remember the code, that would be a shortcut 2020-02-19 14-39-45 PST brynn I'm using w3schools site to refresh my memory, but can't find the code for column width. So I went to their forum to ask. 2020-02-20 14-17-13 PST brynn You're welcome. I'l catch back up tomorrow. 2020-02-19 21-03-00 PST brynn Yeah, that blank row is for iPad. I just need to know which programs can work on iPad. 2020-02-20 12-01-04 PST brynn comptable6.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/2ScCrWMNbSsMndxPg/comptable6.png) 2020-02-20 11-45-43 PST brynn comptable5.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/o2nshmX7tG2yfXwms/comptable5.png) 2020-02-19 20-04-54 PST brynn Do you have any idea who made the Features page as it is now? It might help to chat with them, in case we need to remove part of it, to make room. 2020-02-19 21-57-23 PST brynn Unless I take out the word "version" it's too long for all those numbers. Which way do you think is better? 2020-02-20 00-42-06 PST brynn although it does imply that you have to have nothing less than Windows 10 to run Inkscape.... Not sure about that, since I'm on Windows 7 !! 2020-02-17 16-56-26 PST brynn Regarding can we publish it. We can't publish anything without showing it as a proposed new page, and then not getting any complaints. 2020-02-20 08-18-04 PST brynn new screenshot - first draft 2020-02-19 21-54-31 PST brynn comptable3.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/ETdfPNkjYdKxqYJZu/comptable3.png) 2020-02-19 21-49-49 PST brynn So I should call it "CC 2020"? 2020-02-19 22-15-42 PST brynn REally? Wow! 2020-02-19 21-50-41 PST brynn Couldn't find for AFfinity either. 2020-02-19 17-29-26 PST brynn Also, need number of file formats supported. 2020-02-20 11-50-22 PST brynn Not all data is there. There are still some missing parts 2020-02-17 16-56-37 PST brynn You want it on the Features page, right?