2019-02-12 14-55-36 PST Mihaela how does that impact you, all that I've said, it's good to have insight into how others may view it, I might be missing some angles 2019-02-15 17-06-08 PST Mihaela thank you for the link, but bookkeeping is not my passion 2018-11-27 11-29-49 PST Mihaela bug tracker seems such an obvious place for that 2019-02-12 14-29-02 PST Mihaela https://www.gnome.org/foundation/careers/development-coordinator/ 2018-11-27 11-32-00 PST Mihaela or with a little push here and there 2018-11-27 11-41-33 PST Mihaela to code 2019-02-12 14-33-47 PST Mihaela yay! 2019-02-12 14-48-17 PST Mihaela but I want to work remotely, and not super full time 2018-11-27 11-26-54 PST Mihaela are there some who don't want to? Maybe Tav? 2018-12-26 16-09-34 PST Mihaela if he already has an instance for the static forum copy then you can use devel-01 for something else 2019-02-12 14-36-10 PST Mihaela in contract that's before taxes right? 2018-11-27 11-50-50 PST Mihaela he did ask on chat, and the only person there didn't know what to say :p 2018-11-27 11-23-18 PST Mihaela what is the proper procedure then 2019-02-12 14-50-16 PST Mihaela lol 2018-11-27 11-26-43 PST Mihaela what's the best practice for contributing to UX? Should the original dev be involved? 2018-11-27 11-20-20 PST Mihaela :shrimp: 2018-11-27 11-30-17 PST Mihaela yes 2018-11-27 11-46-11 PST Mihaela but I may still be missing something about the procedure 2018-11-27 11-31-47 PST Mihaela ok then it will grow from there spontaneously 2018-11-27 11-29-59 PST Mihaela with nice design or UX tag on the issue 2018-11-27 11-29-25 PST Mihaela but how do devs who need UX review broadcast that? if they're not in the chat here it doesn't get noticed 2018-11-27 11-22-10 PST Mihaela hehe 2019-02-12 14-50-49 PST Mihaela it's not the same thing, different processes, but when zoomed out it's the same neighbourhood 2018-11-27 11-28-05 PST Mihaela I think there's some activity around that on the UX channel here 2019-02-12 14-46-48 PST Mihaela I'm itching to send my application, but I almost never searched for a job, and process with my clients is different 2018-11-27 11-20-09 PST Mihaela notin much just hangin bout 2018-11-27 11-33-43 PST Mihaela yes 2018-12-26 16-08-59 PST Mihaela it doesn't seem we'll get the forum data but Javier is leeching it anyway and we'll serve it as static 2019-02-12 14-45-36 PST Mihaela lovely 2018-12-26 16-08-20 PST Mihaela yes, of course 2018-11-27 11-42-16 PST Mihaela bits around the interface that bug you when you're using Inkscape 2019-02-12 15-03-12 PST Mihaela I've already built something that is more than enough to start, what are your showstopping issues? 2019-02-12 14-28-52 PST Mihaela do you have any ballpark idea on the approximate compensation for that GNOME job Development Coordinator? 2019-02-12 14-54-26 PST Mihaela I already have a career, that's the thing, how much of an obstacle is that to them 2019-02-12 14-53-51 PST Mihaela plus my psych profiles usually describe as motivator/networker/campaigner so those are almost built for fundraising jobs 2018-11-27 11-24-58 PST Mihaela no mans land 2018-11-27 11-51-07 PST Mihaela ok I'll put that on the list of good places to track 2018-11-27 11-12-39 PST Mihaela pretending to be online eh 2018-11-27 11-46-53 PST Mihaela where exactly do new people find out about the person working on a piece of code etc, and what's been happening on git ... 2018-11-27 11-12-32 PST Mihaela ohai 2019-02-22 10-53-36 PST Mihaela he mentioned contributing to the Mac side, is he in that channel? Why is it important to edit the wiki to contribute to Mac? 2019-02-12 14-47-58 PST Mihaela I don't expect that to be problem, I feel like I have loads of marketing and business experience 2018-11-27 11-25-38 PST Mihaela us both ;) 2018-11-27 11-26-11 PST Mihaela the guy is saw is familiar with GL 2019-02-22 10-52-53 PST Mihaela can you deal with capin? He seems abrasive but I don't know exactly what is happening and Maren seems done with him 2019-02-12 14-53-10 PST Mihaela that word doesn't hit the bullseye for me, not as a goal, but my end goal of working for open source, and raising funds to progress open source projects is soooo inspiring, so in that sense you can say that it is 2019-02-12 14-30-15 PST Mihaela pls guess 2018-11-27 09-45-08 PST Mihaela oy you there? 2019-02-12 14-57-33 PST Mihaela thanks! I will 2019-02-12 14-54-02 PST Mihaela I'm not in it to make a career 2019-02-22 10-57-19 PST Mihaela I wasn't following the conversation so I can't say what is happening, and I don't know about Wiki permissions so I can't judge what is happening, but it may be a shitty person trying to stir trouble 2019-02-12 15-02-46 PST Mihaela if that is something you really want why not start with paid development subproject seriously? 2018-11-27 11-45-49 PST Mihaela ah good tip, look at buglist for 1.0 2019-02-12 15-07-19 PST Mihaela thank you! have fun with kids! 2018-11-27 11-23-43 PST Mihaela and GL is free to migrate issue by issue? 2018-11-27 11-38-31 PST Mihaela which is awesome and I'd hate to lose his interest if we seem disorganized 2019-02-12 14-50-13 PST Mihaela that is maybe key, how far can having my own business count as fundraising 2019-02-12 14-46-04 PST Mihaela do you have any experience or tips for negotiating with them? 2018-11-27 11-33-48 PST Mihaela good point 2019-02-12 15-02-02 PST Mihaela heck yeah 2018-11-27 11-23-29 PST Mihaela LP is archive only right? 2019-02-22 10-54-33 PST Mihaela I don't know the status now, I think you need to find out what he wants, does he have access to the Wiki he wanted? 2019-02-12 14-57-41 PST Mihaela what a turn of events 2019-02-12 14-54-46 PST Mihaela I want to keep my company, I don't think I'd ever want to let that go 2019-02-12 14-49-40 PST Mihaela yes sounds familiar :) preaching to the quire 2018-11-27 11-38-08 PST Mihaela the latest one just straight up asked for a list of issues to work on 2018-11-27 11-25-25 PST Mihaela but we need to let the interested parties know how to contribute 2018-11-27 11-41-29 PST Mihaela not sure, he's a designer, it doesn't sound like it's in his skillset 2019-02-12 14-48-43 PST Mihaela yes, thank you! good tip 2018-11-27 11-41-56 PST Mihaela but I expect most of the UX itches are of the bottom up approach 2019-02-12 14-39-04 PST Mihaela annual reports always useful lol 2018-11-27 11-20-54 PST Mihaela there was a new guy on team_ux asking for design issues list and I didn't quite know where to send him 2019-02-22 10-56-07 PST Mihaela he's playing some gif showing older conversations about this 2019-02-12 15-05-53 PST Mihaela are they so restrictive that they stop us? 2019-02-12 14-48-56 PST Bryce Harrington emphasize what value you would bring to them, how your particular skillset would benefit the organization 2019-02-12 14-47-03 PST Bryce Harrington cover letter is key 2019-02-12 15-06-50 PST Bryce Harrington gotta go, kids just got home. Nice chatting, and good luck! 2018-11-27 11-24-16 PST Bryce Harrington yes 2018-11-27 11-11-00 PST Bryce Harrington hi 2018-11-27 11-43-26 PST Bryce Harrington yeah, maybe just have him follow along with what's currently getting worked on with git, file bug reports in LP, and sub the person working on the code currently 2018-11-27 11-19-49 PST Bryce Harrington what's up? 2018-11-27 11-44-08 PST Bryce Harrington or look at the bug list for the 1.0 release and see if there are any items worth providing design input on 2019-02-12 14-44-28 PST Bryce Harrington Creative Commons' financial report lists salaries of officers, and I'd imagine would be commensurate with what GNOME would be looking to offer 2018-11-27 11-32-57 PST Bryce Harrington I suppose there is a distinction to make between bottom up UX and top down UX 2018-12-26 15-13-43 PST Bryce Harrington hiya 2019-02-12 14-38-03 PST Bryce Harrington they don't list exact salaries for staff people, but the categories are small enough you can probably read between the lines to see what typical salaries are. 2018-11-27 11-23-42 PST Bryce Harrington not yet, but probably soon 2018-11-27 11-21-58 PST Bryce Harrington suppose that's a clue the UI is in serious need of revamping 2019-02-12 14-54-28 PST Bryce Harrington ok, well give it a shot, who knows 2018-11-27 11-48-03 PST Bryce Harrington that's where I'd look. Or just ask on chat 2018-11-27 11-27-29 PST Bryce Harrington probably a better approach would be to have several people interested in UX form a team and work on drafting a design document with mockups and such 2018-11-27 11-47-45 PST Bryce Harrington https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/commits/master 2019-02-12 14-32-58 PST Bryce Harrington ok give me a few minutes to research 2018-11-27 11-22-49 PST Bryce Harrington probably not wise to do anything serious here while we're stabilizing for 1.0, although as with everything just depends on having coders to do the work 2018-11-27 11-36-24 PST Bryce Harrington obviously there are also many in-between cases 2019-02-22 10-55-34 PST Bryce Harrington yeah we've been asking he hasn't said, just trying to push for increased rights. Seems odd. 2019-02-12 14-30-07 PST Bryce Harrington no, I would only be guessing 2018-11-27 11-35-33 PST Bryce Harrington many times when someone has approached me with interest in UX work, it's been the latter category 2018-12-26 15-14-16 PST Bryce Harrington since things seem to be proceeding with the django website, I am gathering you probably don't need devel-01.inkscape.org? Mind if I check it back in for others to use? 2019-02-12 15-05-53 PST Bryce Harrington and, with anyone working on anything in inkscape there is going to be some planning and review, like what we see for mentoring GSoC students. 2018-11-27 11-27-56 PST Bryce Harrington Tav would be a good resource on the code side. Ryan might be good to include from a design POV 2019-02-12 14-47-23 PST Bryce Harrington there are lots of articles written on how to make a good cover letter, so start there 2019-02-12 15-03-26 PST Bryce Harrington simple - management overhead 2018-11-27 11-33-48 PST Bryce Harrington bottom up is identifying specific usability issues, like a confusingly worded button label, or trouble locating a feature in a menu. Those are certainly appropriate to file bugs about, and for now these should go to LP. 2019-02-12 14-35-09 PST Bryce Harrington since it requires a BSc/BA in business administration I'm going to guess it's in the $50-80k range 2018-11-27 11-27-01 PST Bryce Harrington I wouldn't direct UX work to bug trackers though, it'll just get lost in the noise. 2019-02-12 14-56-06 PST Bryce Harrington you should also once and a while look at the job boards for the linux distros, esp. RedHat and Ubuntu; there are often remote positions available that need people with experience doing open source work, and might be something that hits closer to your bullseye 2019-02-12 14-58-20 PST Bryce Harrington some day I hope Inkscape has enough money raised to employ some of us 2019-02-12 14-49-39 PST Bryce Harrington for this role, reading between the lines, the main objective is bringing in money, so any proven experience you have with fundraising is going to be key 2018-11-27 11-24-29 PST Bryce Harrington although I don't think we've formally announced that we'll start doing that yet 2018-11-27 11-21-33 PST Bryce Harrington there's been several people interested in UX work lately 2019-02-15 16-21-58 PST Bryce Harrington btw, don't know if this is your area at all, but this just posted -- https://sfconservancy.org/news/2019/feb/14/techie-bookkeeper/ 2018-12-26 18-26-25 PST Bryce Harrington yeah I set up an area for him on alpha.inkscape.org for that 2019-02-12 15-06-17 PST Bryce Harrington and administrative stuff - accounts to set up, reports to read, infrastructure questions and fiddling, etc. 2018-11-27 11-38-41 PST Bryce Harrington we also have to be mindful that there are multiple philosophies for how UI's should be designed, just look at the distinction between KDE, Apple, Gnome, and Windows... There are going to be people who are adherents to one of these philosophies and will push UX ideas towards those ideas, whereas other folks will pull in other directions. Thus the important of seeking broad consensus. 2019-02-12 15-04-00 PST Bryce Harrington the mailman3 funded development effort has been a real eye opener as to just how much work is involved to get someone paid, and to adequately supervise their work 2019-02-12 14-56-20 PST Bryce Harrington salary ranges will be a bit higher with them than with a non-profit, too 2018-11-27 11-25-55 PST Bryce Harrington or wiki if they want to stay clear of bug tracker transition trouble 2018-11-27 11-25-38 PST Bryce Harrington just have them keep using LP for bugs for right now 2019-02-12 14-45-13 PST Bryce Harrington I seem to recall something on the order of $100-140k for a Director level position 2018-11-27 11-29-53 PST Bryce Harrington we've had various people interested in working on UX in the past. Building a consensus would be a big part. 2018-11-27 11-34-31 PST Bryce Harrington top down is a more comprehensive look at overall product, and ensuring the various elements of the UI flow nicely and provide a predictable, consistent experience for the user 2019-02-12 15-04-30 PST Bryce Harrington Conservancy has a bunch of rules, many of which are derived from federal requirements for non-profits in hiring contract workers 2018-12-26 18-26-07 PST Bryce Harrington thanks, will do 2019-02-12 14-48-16 PST Bryce Harrington my guess is that GNOME is going to consider involvement in the GNOME project a soft requirement. I don't know that Inkscape qualifies as "part" of GNOME, but regardless that's probably your strong angle 2018-11-27 11-39-51 PST Bryce Harrington ok, that's good. There's been no shortage of UX ideas presented. Is he wanting to code, by chance? 2019-02-12 14-37-16 PST Bryce Harrington yeah. They post their financial reports online here - https://www.gnome.org/foundation/reports/ 2019-02-15 17-06-21 PST Bryce Harrington yeah suspected so 2018-11-27 11-35-02 PST Bryce Harrington top down needs more than really can be handled in a bug report, and needs to be planned out in a more systematic way 2019-02-22 10-53-50 PST Bryce Harrington yep, already commented a bit on the dev channel 2018-11-27 11-25-10 PST Bryce Harrington sorry, I have a lot going on in my life right now, I'm kind of not keeping up with inkscape things very well lately 2019-02-12 14-51-35 PST Bryce Harrington is fundraising something you're definitely interested in doing with your career?