2020-10-04 09-07-50 PDT Mc ah sorry it's more for non-EU 2020-10-04 08-59-39 PDT Mc oh ? 2020-10-04 09-18-09 PDT Mc mostly "whatever I want" 2020-10-04 09-01-16 PDT Mc (if you want, of course) 2020-06-17 10-23-00 PDT Mc 20 and 21 are a weekend so they don't even count, for me ^^ 3 days is fine imo 2020-10-04 09-26-30 PDT Mc communist in the sens of "putting their work into making a «Common» of the result" 2020-06-17 10-17-17 PDT Mc Don't worry, planning is not the forte of french universities either :D 2020-06-17 10-23-40 PDT Mc (as I wrote, it's important to have other mentors agree too, especially Thomas) 2020-10-04 08-51-52 PDT Mc in France I think it would probably be doable, provided you would have ideas on what are the differences between inkscape and the state of the art, and maybe how to improve on the state of the art 2020-05-31 07-18-49 PDT Mc Hi! 2020-10-04 09-25-21 PDT Mc it's a bunch of communist-minded computer scientists trying to change the world at their level 2020-10-04 09-33-54 PDT Mc neat 2020-10-04 09-34-10 PDT Mc in which area ? 2020-10-04 09-31-15 PDT Mc :/ 2020-05-31 08-39-48 PDT Mc ah, sorry to hear that 2020-10-04 08-54-55 PDT Mc (or a book about geometry, maybe) 2020-10-04 09-01-30 PDT Mc (if you're more interested into robotics than in geometry, I can understand that :D ) 2020-10-04 09-14-18 PDT Mc (from https://www.topuniversities.com/student-info/student-finance/how-much-does-i... "Tuition fees for “non-consecutive” master’s degrees, for those who have gained their bachelor’s degree elsewhere in the world, vary between universities and may be around €20,000 (~US$24,400) per year at public institutions") 2020-10-04 09-09-57 PDT Mc that's a new law from last year that introduced this price difference (3770€/yr), the law was heavily criticized (basically as an anti-african law as many courses are in french and most non-EU people coming were from northern africa), the law was called by the minister "welcome to france", not even ironically 2020-05-31 07-19-33 PDT Mc As we approach the end of the community bonding period, I wanted to check with you how it went for you 2020-10-04 09-11-58 PDT Mc masters in germany is ~20k€ 2020-10-04 09-16-22 PDT Mc I did TCS (parallel algoirithms) 2020-10-04 09-23-41 PDT Mc so, lots of things :D 2020-10-04 08-50-43 PDT Mc I don't know how much is asked from a MS thesis (it depends a lot on the countries) 2020-10-04 09-12-54 PDT Mc yeah 2020-05-31 08-40-00 PDT Mc hope you'll get better 2020-06-17 10-09-22 PDT Mc (if you prefer to have everyone, you can write to all, whatever you are more comfortable with) 2020-10-04 08-56-07 PDT Mc ideally the people most apt to tell you what the state of the art is would be people doing research on geometric algorithms ^^ 2020-10-04 08-59-12 PDT Mc well, that makes sense :D 2020-10-04 09-41-04 PDT Mc not sure I'll have the time, but you can try to @ me 2020-10-11 11-53-49 PDT Mc ok :) 2020-10-04 08-56-57 PDT Mc maybe I can find some at my uni or at a friend's uni 2020-10-04 09-30-33 PDT Mc (btw, I saw that you attempted to join the dev meeting, did you have problems to join ?) 2020-05-09 14-19-04 PDT Mc Yes, that sounds good :) 2020-10-04 09-39-29 PDT Mc (oh, btw, was anything still needed to merge the documentation of your gsoc ?) 2020-10-04 09-29-47 PDT Mc what's even more amazing is how people sometimes manage work together to collaborate productively into doing so (not everyone doing their stuff by themselves) 2020-06-17 10-24-30 PDT Mc group chat is fine 2020-10-04 09-07-09 PDT Mc (for master) 2020-10-04 09-37-28 PDT Mc sounds like a great project anyway :) 2020-10-04 09-38-41 PDT Mc you never know :) 2020-10-04 09-20-38 PDT Mc I'm employed in a public uni as a research engineer, which means I spend some of my time doing sysadmin stuff (installing and maintaining sdervices and machines for researchers, maintain a visioconference server (the one we used for inkscape/gsoc) ), giving lectures (I did one about hadoop last year), but also have free time to work on e.g. Inkscape, and can work on research projects with a big data research team; and I got funded to make a MOOC on edX about "Contributing to free software" 2020-10-04 09-00-51 PDT Mc and you cannot switch ? or is that a completely different cursus ? 2020-08-08 05-55-30 PDT Mc he should 2020-10-04 09-07-25 PDT Mc https://www.campusfrance.org/en/tuition-fees-France 2020-10-04 09-15-58 PDT Mc It would not surprise me if it was free in some landers and paying in others 2020-10-04 09-14-58 PDT Mc I don't know much about the german system 2020-07-31 23-29-50 PDT Mc * the ability to very quickly speak to almost any other open source project, and to my friends, within one program that just requires a terminal open * not hidden in a browser tab (I have ~4000 open browsers tabs) which just work to speak to Inkscape only and can play noise or notifications * much, much faster to read on any IRC client than on rocket chat (I can read ~ 50 lines on one window of IRC vs 10 lines on a Rocketchat window + I can go back on my history with 0 loading time and no weird scroller) 2020-10-04 09-36-01 PDT Mc the Deepak Agrawal one ? 2020-08-08 05-53-23 PDT Mc yes, I called him yesterday 2020-06-17 10-17-52 PDT Mc IMO one week is fine, but this will need to be agreed with the other mentors 2020-06-17 10-18-23 PDT Mc (it's 10% of the whole gsoc, after all^^) 2020-10-04 08-54-07 PDT Mc arxiv ? 2020-06-17 10-08-58 PDT Mc you can discuss it with me if you want 2020-10-04 09-06-56 PDT Mc 243€ / year + some additional fees 2020-10-04 08-50-16 PDT Mc mmh 2020-10-04 09-00-22 PDT Moazin Pick* 2020-10-04 09-35-26 PDT Moazin I'll be helping them write the software for it. 2020-10-04 07-03-24 PDT Moazin Do you think there is a possibility for an MS Thesis on the topic? Building on the work and improving it? 2020-10-04 09-17-44 PDT Moazin Great! :-) And what's your area of work these days? 2020-10-04 09-31-01 PDT Moazin I had a really lame internet connection 2020-10-04 09-02-13 PDT Moazin Specially those that run embedded Linux 2020-07-31 07-39-11 PDT Moazin Mc I had a question. It's not really important, just curious. 😃 What are the advantages to using IRC over RocketChat? I mean what makes you prefer it 2020-10-04 09-12-35 PDT Moazin Are you talking just about the tuition fee? 2020-10-04 09-00-19 PDT Moazin Yep. I graduated in Electrical Engineering. At that time I thought it was the best choice for me as I was confused about which area to oick. 2020-10-04 09-37-18 PDT Moazin It's a different one, not much info on the internet 2020-10-04 09-01-38 PDT Moazin Haha 2020-10-04 09-01-20 PDT Moazin With a few bridge courses, one should be able to switch 2020-10-04 09-35-08 PDT Moazin Some of my friends started with a design and got it to the prototyping phase. 2020-05-31 07-43-28 PDT Moazin Hi Marc. I sorry that due to some gastrointestinal health issues I have been very disturbed in the past few weeks and couldn't do all the things that I planned to do within this period. I did spend some time in chat helping out few people which I very much enjoyed. I got checked recently and am recovering well. Hoping to cover up for those things as well as get started on the project. 2020-10-04 09-01-50 PDT Moazin At the moment, I'm really interested in embedded systems 2020-10-04 09-30-06 PDT Moazin yep definitely 2020-05-09 13-58-37 PDT Moazin Hi Marc. I wanted to start discussing a few things regarding what I plan to do during the community bonding period and the direction of the project. I was thinking of discussing it over email with all the mentors in CC. Does that sound good? 2020-10-04 09-34-47 PDT Moazin So when the pandemic happened, the country's higher leadership decided to ask the research and engineering students to build a ventilator device. 2020-10-04 08-59-32 PDT Moazin One big problem is that I'm not a CS graduate 2020-10-04 07-03-39 PDT Moazin You're also working in a university so I thought you'd have a better idea on this 2020-10-04 09-35-51 PDT Moazin Both the UI and the controller that'd run it 2020-10-04 09-12-27 PDT Moazin I'll explore more and if I'm sure the CG area is a good option for me, I'll probably ask you to find me people from academia that know the area well, but before that, I'd do my research first :-) 2020-10-04 09-01-57 PDT Moazin Programming small chips 2020-10-04 09-00-50 PDT Moazin I had interests in programming, but also in embedded systems, communication devices and robotics 2020-10-04 09-15-54 PDT Moazin No problem :-) Btw, what was your area of interest when you did your MS? 2020-10-04 09-40-32 PDT Moazin I'm still reviewing it, fixing typos, there are just a few files remaining to check. I'll do that within the week. Once that's done I'd really like it if someone can go through it for a review? 2020-06-17 10-07-09 PDT Moazin Hi Marc 2020-10-04 09-14-10 PDT Moazin https://www2.daad.de/deutschland/studienangebote/international-programmes/en... 2020-10-04 09-38-00 PDT Moazin Yeah, I don't see high chances of it making into a final product, it's a RnD project and I just see it as great experience. :-) 2020-10-04 09-26-50 PDT Moazin yep, yep, got it :-) 2020-06-17 10-16-56 PDT Moazin You must be thinking what kind of a university does that, but that's the weird part of living in a country like Pakistan. They don't listen to us. 2020-06-17 10-08-08 PDT Moazin There is something I need to discuss about my GSoC project. So I was wondering if I should discuss it with you here or make a group chat with other mentors as well. (It's not a technical matter) 2020-06-17 10-14-27 PDT Moazin To update on the project, I am done with the Simplify code which was the goal for the first two weeks. In this week and the next 2 I am supposed to work on Path -> Digraph -> Path parts. 2020-10-04 09-17-49 PDT Moazin At your day job I mean 2020-10-04 09-21-57 PDT Moazin That's nice :-) 2020-06-17 10-22-05 PDT Moazin So, I was thinking of working as much as I can for the next 2-3 days with GSoC (and hopefully make good progress). And taking time off for university work from 20 to 25 June to work on the thesis. Does that sound fine to you? 2020-06-17 10-13-33 PDT Moazin So the thing is as you would probably know I am in the senior year of my university. (I was supposed to have graduated by June). Due to COVID, the university was closed and then they started some online education system too. The exams and my thesis were scheduled for later. However, suddenly they sent us an email telling that we have to submit our thesis on 24th June and deliver a presentation on 29 June. It's very hard to manage this with GSoC. I was wondering if it would be possible to do reduced work for the next few days, I'll of course make up for it. I totally understand if this is not possible, in that situation I'll have to ask the university to give me an extension in the project which will have its own downsides. 2020-10-04 09-36-41 PDT Moazin Nah :D 2020-06-17 10-24-02 PDT Moazin Of course, that's important. 2020-10-04 09-30-16 PDT Moazin and Inkscape is a place where a lot of collaboration goes on 2020-10-04 09-33-49 PDT Moazin Btw, I've got a temporary job for a few months 2020-10-04 09-31-11 PDT Moazin (third world problems) 2020-10-04 09-25-39 PDT Moazin That's a really sweet way to put it :-) 2020-08-08 05-56-19 PDT Moazin All right :-) 2020-10-04 09-33-04 PDT Moazin Sometimes during the GSoC meetings, I'd have to switch between the two during the meeting. :-D 2020-10-04 08-59-01 PDT Moazin So when listing out areas where I do have some experience, my project immediately came to my mind 2020-10-04 09-30-49 PDT Moazin Yep I did 2020-10-04 09-24-42 PDT Moazin (My dad doesn't have a CS background, but I've explained him what OSS is :P) 2020-10-04 09-32-42 PDT Moazin But often times both will betray me 2020-10-04 09-06-44 PDT Moazin Most institutes have very less/no fee 2020-10-11 11-32-18 PDT Moazin Hey Marc, you often encourage me to talk in the meetings and I really feel great about that. I'm totally comfortable in doing so, the reason is technical. You might have noticed me mention that my headset broke in the final GSoC meeting. I ordered new ones and they are stuck in transit for over a month. I'm living with 6 other people in one two connected rooms so very noisy and laptop's battery is crap now so can't take it outside. I am using borrowed terrible quality IEMs whose audio input just sucks (so a bad idea to join with audio). Might try joining from phone next time. BBB is great on phone. 2020-06-17 10-24-21 PDT Moazin Should we start a group chat? Or would you prefer discussing this with them by yourself? 2020-10-04 09-18-21 PDT Moazin wow! You've landed a dream job 2020-06-17 10-19-51 PDT Moazin Yes, of course. 2020-10-04 09-08-02 PDT Moazin Yea I am non-EU :P 2020-10-04 09-07-36 PDT Moazin Yea that's more or less the same as Germany I guess 2020-10-04 09-32-32 PDT Moazin Internet is very unstable where I live. I keep a 3G connection on phone as a backup and a DSL is the primary WiFi for home. 2020-10-04 09-28-27 PDT Moazin It's a huge effort, I'm amazed at how volunteer work can create and develop something as great as Inkscape. 2020-07-31 23-58-16 PDT Moazin Thanks for answering btw. Makes a lot of sense 2020-10-04 07-02-56 PDT Moazin Mc, there is something I wanted to discuss with you 2020-10-04 09-39-21 PDT Moazin Yea. 2020-10-04 09-41-13 PDT Moazin Yep sure 2020-07-31 23-57-36 PDT Moazin 4000 open tabs! Woah. How much RAM needed to support that? 2020-08-08 05-53-49 PDT Moazin I was worried 2020-10-04 09-10-34 PDT Moazin Oh I see 2020-10-04 09-06-24 PDT Moazin How's the situation of graduate studies in France btw? They're really cheap in Germany 2020-10-04 09-24-01 PDT Moazin It actually surprises me how developers in the Inkscape community take so much time out to work on it, specially when day jobs and when you're not getting paid for it. Whenever I discuss my project and Inkscape with my dad, he often brings up this question, how are they all working for free? What do they get in return? :D I do understand that it feels great to contribute to software that you like, for sure. But still, taking so much time out is a huge commitment 2020-10-04 09-41-04 PDT Moazin Thanks for all the info btw :-) 2020-08-08 05-54-28 PDT Moazin Will he be joining us today for the presentation? 2020-10-04 08-57-11 PDT Moazin That'd would be really great 2020-10-04 09-01-03 PDT Moazin I can switch I think. A lot of people do. 2020-10-04 07-03-02 PDT Moazin You know my livarot project well 2020-10-04 09-03-56 PDT Moazin In order to be able to do research in the area of CG, I'd need to get good background in it first 2020-10-04 08-53-35 PDT Moazin Where can I find the state of the art? Cgal? 2020-10-04 08-56-41 PDT Moazin Got it. Thanks :-) 2020-10-04 08-57-33 PDT Moazin I'm actually preparing for MS applications and I'm exploring potential research interests for myself 2020-08-08 01-48-20 PDT Moazin Have you heard from Link Mauve recently?