2020-09-30 03-07-22 PDT Martin Owens (from bryce) 2020-02-09 16-16-05 PST Martin Owens (because if it's in the general, the good news is that the vector lists aren't going to stop on this second round) 2020-08-15 13-56-30 PDT Martin Owens *or* 2020-02-09 16-22-17 PST Martin Owens My job is to try and rally those generic bugs more. Focus on those. Maren did a "production ready" walk through and found too many crashes, even in Linux. 2020-02-09 16-41-00 PST Martin Owens I suspect that might be the case. If it comes to never releasing a Mac "finished" release. We may have to contend with that. But at least users will be aware of the quality of the software and we can focus on further recruitment. 2020-02-09 16-21-23 PST Martin Owens Understood. We still have that plan for issuing a Mac 'pre-release' status release so we can get something out the door. 2020-09-30 03-07-16 PDT Martin Owens He's taken over secretarial duties. 2020-02-09 16-43-18 PST Martin Owens Proposed new about screen: 2020-10-10 15-27-09 PDT Martin Owens I think he's asking if you have a blog and documented how you did it. But I don't think you have this, so I would just answer him that you didn't document it. 2020-08-15 13-56-25 PDT Martin Owens Yes, doctormo@geek-2.com 2020-02-09 16-02-28 PST Martin Owens Sorry for the confusion, just my abundance of caution about throwing peopel a link they may not have been able to see. 2020-09-30 03-07-06 PDT Martin Owens He's not the leader by the way. 2020-02-09 16-41-47 PST Martin Owens I wonder if there's some tag we can use "inkscape 1.0ahh-it-burns" 2020-02-09 16-45-30 PST Martin Owens Actually can we design something into the Mac package installer (that folder image that's currently the beta/alpha image) that communicates "Look, this isn't going to be great" 2020-09-30 02-08-27 PDT Martin Owens Thanks for backing me up in the developer channel with ted. I am curious, what do you think is going on here (from what you can see) 2021-03-12 05-34-57 PST Martin Owens id_rsa.pub.txt (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/XWJZLoLePFyqzLMn8/id_rsa.pub.txt) 2021-03-12 05-35-07 PST Martin Owens Thanks René 2021-03-12 12-36-27 PST Martin Owens In body and mind, but my soul is somewhere else 2021-03-12 12-37-15 PST Martin Owens don 2021-03-12 12-37-16 PST Martin Owens e 2021-03-12 12-38-23 PST Martin Owens Success 2021-03-12 12-40-56 PST Martin Owens Connected 2021-03-12 12-42-07 PST Martin Owens Understood, I'll have a play with it, probably just install Inkscape binaries rather than compile things. 2021-03-12 12-42-18 PST Martin Owens (but maybe compile things if needed) 2021-03-12 12-42-22 PST Martin Owens Thank you so much 2021-03-12 12-48-22 PST Martin Owens Woot, got `Remmina` to log in without me having to boot up a separate ssh client. 2021-03-12 12-49-43 PST Martin Owens I used it to work on a Nasa project, got to keep all the export controlled files off my computer 2021-03-12 12-51-25 PST Martin Owens Same for them, you couldn't VNC to their machines without a dongle and a lot of passcodes. 2021-03-12 12-52-48 PST Martin Owens Yes 2021-03-12 12-53-30 PST Martin Owens Nah, had it installed already, just needed to remember where all the values go. 2021-03-26 16-30-53 PDT Martin Owens :thumbsup: 2021-04-17 06-31-59 PDT Martin Owens What do you think of this problem of endorsing or listing or etc, contributors? 2021-04-17 07-56-13 PDT Martin Owens Thanks René 2021-04-17 07-56-22 PDT Martin Owens (this is why you'd be good on the board :-D) 2021-04-17 08-07-57 PDT Martin Owens Perhaps we can save this for a meeting time, it's a good set of ideas which perhaps we need a breather before coming back. 2021-04-17 09-01-36 PDT Martin Owens Nah it's ok. I saw the smoldering embers sparking back into life. 2021-04-17 09-01-45 PDT Martin Owens Good to get your say out there. 2021-04-22 10-37-43 PDT Martin Owens Looks like `sirius` is down, so no windows for me today. Is is a temp machine? 2021-04-22 10-40-41 PDT Martin Owens Ah no problem. 2021-04-22 10-58-33 PDT Martin Owens I did get lots of use out of it, thank you! 2021-04-22 10-58-53 PDT Martin Owens Instead I will lean on windows users :-D 2020-02-09 16-21-36 PST Martin Owens Mac: IT ALMOST WORKS! 2020-09-30 03-08-47 PDT Martin Owens You'll find it funny but ted sees the board as NOT leaders. Doesn't want the board to be seen as leaders. I tried to explain that this isn't really possible, people will always see us as a leadership. 2020-08-15 13-57-13 PDT Martin Owens geek-2 for my friends :-D 2020-02-09 16-03-31 PST Martin Owens No problem. How goes the Mac release? 2020-02-09 16-43-41 PST Martin Owens Screenshot from 2020-02-09 19-43-01.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/jXvd2beKuM62iZzC7/Screenshot%20from%20...) 2020-09-30 03-08-01 PDT Martin Owens Yes he is :-) one of the founders of Inkscape too, so people have been shy about asking hard questions. But honestly I'm kind of finished waiting. 2020-02-09 16-01-57 PST Martin Owens But I know the board project has got a lot of controls switched on about who can see what. 2020-09-30 03-17-48 PDT Martin Owens It's old fashioned. 2020-02-09 16-50-56 PST Martin Owens I agree. Knowing that open source projects are in trouble, could attract the right sort of pressure. 2020-02-09 16-01-32 PST Martin Owens Oh good. I don't think it is supposed to be private (you can't see any personal information in there can you) 2020-02-09 16-21-42 PST Martin Owens ;-) 2020-08-15 13-57-17 PDT Martin Owens (it's newer) 2020-09-30 03-08-57 PDT Martin Owens And my point is that we should start acting like it 2020-02-09 16-15-43 PST Martin Owens Mac specific issues or your general sense is that Inkscape itself has too many flaws? 2020-02-09 16-23-17 PST Martin Owens So after we've tackled the vector bug lists we'll probably put out a call to users to grind the app down in real world uses. I would include a Mac RC in that if possible. 2020-09-30 03-06-29 PDT René de Hesselle I can only guess that these are topics he isn't comfortable with and I understand now what you mean when you are saying you're feeling blocked (I've watched your video about funded development) at every turn. 2020-10-10 15-19-08 PDT René de Hesselle Thanks for the various mentions on Twitter. I don't want to make a fool of myself on Twitter by not having understood the conversation: is Bruno Winck's question "Did you share on the process, how you implemented it?" directed at me? Is he asking if my work is publicly available? 2020-09-30 03-02-42 PDT René de Hesselle I was boiling. I had to rewrite 5 times what I was going to say to take out the heat and anger. 2020-09-30 03-07-45 PDT René de Hesselle (It think of the board as leaders in a general way) 2020-02-09 16-01-49 PST René de Hesselle Ah, did I misunderstand that? 2020-09-30 03-17-17 PDT René de Hesselle This "incident" is now the second time (I haven't taken notes on what the first occasion was) that I thought to myself "open source but close minded". 2020-02-09 16-10-29 PST René de Hesselle There is a small light at the end of the tunnel as we maybe fixed one of the blockers, but it's not safe yet. A few people confirmed the fix but Thomas says he can still reproduce the issue. So here's to hoping. But everything else is pretty much unchanged and I think there are still too many serious issues (ontop on anything that you guys are currently fixing / Vectors' blocker list). 2020-09-30 03-07-28 PDT René de Hesselle I meant that as in "member of the board" (he is on the board right?) 2020-08-15 13-56-47 PDT René de Hesselle I don't mind, which one do you prefer? 2020-02-09 16-46-37 PST René de Hesselle :laughing: Might actually be a very good idea to use that kind of humor together with a serious message about the state of things. 2020-02-09 16-42-33 PST René de Hesselle We might not like it if that happens (myself included), but it's about the message we want to send out. 2020-02-09 16-48-03 PST René de Hesselle I don't want to sound like a tele-marketer, but if we get that right, it'll create the right kind of buzz and attention we need 2020-09-30 03-05-26 PDT René de Hesselle And I still disagree. I know that there has to be some order in regards to meetings, but the way he communicated it... if he really feels/thinks this way, he is not qualified to take a leadership position. 2021-01-18 02-24-05 PST René de Hesselle [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/team_devel?msg=HfXf5NeDHZCoG3ETz) Sadly I can only pull off this magic trick once ;-) () 2021-01-18 02-29-38 PST René de Hesselle Ooops, this ended up here by mistake 2021-02-11 17-46-09 PST René de Hesselle I'm new to #general but I believe user "lulmamanxii" is begging to be silenced because of inappropriate language. Also check profile "F... yo b...". 2021-03-11 16-50-21 PST René de Hesselle Please send me a ssh public key to dehesselle@web.de as you will be using RDP over SSH. 2021-03-12 10-57-56 PST René de Hesselle You login will be ready in 2-3 hours. I'll message you here. 2021-03-12 12-36-08 PST René de Hesselle You here? 2021-03-12 12-36-46 PST René de Hesselle Add this to your `.ssh/config`: ``` Host sirius HostName v2202010130414128487.supersrv.de Port 57921 User doctormo LocalForward 13389 localhost:3389 ``` 2021-03-12 12-37-38 PST René de Hesselle if the pub key you gave me is a special one (i.e. not your default one, you need to add the private part as `IdentityFile`) 2021-03-12 12-37-46 PST René de Hesselle Ok try to `ssh sirius` 2021-03-12 12-38-40 PST René de Hesselle Nice. Now fire up your RDP client of choice and use `localhost:13389` to connect 2021-03-12 12-38-53 PST René de Hesselle Your Windows user is `doctormo` and password is `start123`. 2021-03-12 12-41-05 PST René de Hesselle You can do what you want, the server is up 24/7. In case you reboot, you need to contact me, as the machine does not boot up Windows by default. You can put programs and stuff on there as you like, keep it to drive `E:` . There's lot of space there. I haven't made you admin, tell me if you need that. 2021-03-12 12-41-57 PST René de Hesselle There is already an msys2 installation there, but I suggest you make your own one on `E:` 2021-03-12 12-42-42 PST René de Hesselle It has 8 or 10 cores and 64 GiB RAM, so plenty of room to compile should that be required 2021-03-12 12-49-18 PST René de Hesselle It always amazes me who many screen sharing / remote support tools exist. This one is new to me. 2021-03-12 12-50-42 PST René de Hesselle I don't trust open RDP connections on a Windows machine, that's why I forced RDP to localhost and use SSH to tunnel to it 2021-03-12 12-52-35 PST René de Hesselle Wait, this is not a seperate thing, Remmina supports RDP over SSH out of the box? (I'm jsut reading the readme) 2021-03-12 12-52-53 PST René de Hesselle Wow thats awesome 2021-03-12 12-53-09 PST René de Hesselle I thought you installed "a Teamviewer" thing 2021-03-12 12-53-30 PST René de Hesselle I'll have to bookmark this! 2021-03-26 15-53-10 PDT René de Hesselle I'm a bit worried: https://gitlab.com/dl2m/inkscape/-/commit/e7b94b9baf94da98a8ee39fd6b90912a25... looks like spam to me, but from an account with maintainer privileges in our project? 2021-03-26 16-29-46 PDT René de Hesselle False alarm, I misunderstood "maintainer" 2021-04-17 06-32-30 PDT René de Hesselle I'm typing something in my vim which will make me unpopular, give me a sec 2021-04-17 07-22-10 PDT René de Hesselle Don't want to post this publicly yet, but this how I would suggest to go about it. 2021-04-17 07-22-19 PDT René de Hesselle As we are volunteer-driven and nobody can tell anybody what to work on, I see no difference between choosing my area of work of my own volition or being motivated by a donation to pick something to work on. The discussion "can an individual donation take something away from Inkscape that otherwise would have been more important to focus on" is and stays entirely theoretical as long as I am free to do what I want. I'm not even obligated to tell if I'm getting paid by someone or not. 2021-04-17 07-22-26 PDT René de Hesselle Best outcome is that Inkscape gains a cool feature that someone else paid for. Worst outcome is the feature does not get accepted by Inkscape official, but that is not and should not be made the projects' problem. (Every feature ever has always had the risk of not being accepted.) 2021-04-17 07-23-04 PDT René de Hesselle 1. Do we as a project want to advertise the fact that people can fund developers directly? a. As we are still a decentralized project, the project cannot make guarantees for accepting things that people fund individual developers for. This is a risk that the funder and fundee need to talk about prior to their engagement and is their responsibility/liability alone. 2021-04-17 07-23-15 PDT René de Hesselle 2. In order to give it a test run, restrict the possibility to get listed on our page to people who are already contributors so we only have to deal with "known faces" instead of unknowns during the testing phase. 2021-04-17 07-23-24 PDT René de Hesselle (the end) 2021-04-17 07-56-44 PDT René de Hesselle If you think it has the right tone, I'll post it into vectors channel 2021-04-17 08-57-24 PDT René de Hesselle oops, I should've read your reply first. I've just recycled parts of that in a post. 2021-04-22 10-49-48 PDT René de Hesselle (it won't be up 24/7 but it also will not be decommissioned three weeks later ;-) ) 2021-04-22 10-39-20 PDT René de Hesselle I need to look into the history... somewhere I said how long this machine is paid for, give me a sec 2021-04-22 10-40-26 PDT René de Hesselle It was decomissioned end of March 2021-04-22 10-41-18 PDT René de Hesselle I cannot find it here, I believe if we scroll up in the devel channel (I believe it was there where you were looking for something with Windows) we find it there 2021-04-22 10-41-53 PDT René de Hesselle Sorry. I hope you still got some use out of it 2021-04-22 10-42-45 PDT René de Hesselle I can only offer Teamviewer access to Laptop that I don't use regularly, if that helps 2020-09-30 03-11-41 PDT René de Hesselle I find that indeed funny as I would not have expected that. 2020-02-09 16-22-13 PST René de Hesselle That'll do ;-) 2020-02-09 16-42-39 PST René de Hesselle Haha I like the idea about that tag 2020-02-09 16-01-01 PST René de Hesselle (I didn't read it.) 2020-02-09 16-00-54 PST René de Hesselle I can see this issue you linked to in the dev channel and I'm under the impression it's supposed to be private. 2020-02-09 16-03-06 PST René de Hesselle Don't worry. Better safe than sorry. Sorry for the noise! 2020-08-15 13-56-08 PDT René de Hesselle Did I get that right? `doctormo@gmail.com`? 2020-02-09 16-01-03 PST René de Hesselle Just to let you know. 2020-02-09 16-39-30 PST René de Hesselle I think I won't block an RC even I think it's too premature to call it that. Once the time comes to lose the "beta"/"rc"/... labels altogether, at least for the other platforms, that'll be another story. 2020-02-09 16-20-03 PST René de Hesselle macOS specific ones. TBH I'm not really up-to-date on the general quality of the rest, maybe with the exception of the degradation in overall performance. But I'm also not really worried about the other issues because they get more or less the whole team behind them to hunt them down.