2019-11-18 14-16-15 PST Martin Owens Do you remember who added the DKIM to our mailing list server's DNS? I need some advice. 2019-01-17 12-45-07 PST Martin Owens Maybe things like proton need a helping hand? (Or inkscape should think again about hiring?) 2018-10-09 09-14-56 PDT Martin Owens Priority One request: How long does it take to move the inkscape.org dns to a new host? 2019-01-17 12-53-15 PST Martin Owens (also asking if people would be put out by it) 2018-09-23 14-39-24 PDT Martin Owens So do we remove 117 from being linked from +inkscape? 2018-10-07 12-15-23 PDT Martin Owens If you can get me a cert for test.inkscape.org too, that would be awesome. 2018-09-23 14-53-21 PDT Martin Owens nice. 2019-07-12 11-40-18 PDT Martin Owens We can pick this up later if we need to. This forums issue will get resolved for sure. 2018-09-23 14-53-25 PDT Martin Owens thanks bryce 2018-09-23 11-03-58 PDT Martin Owens I'm hoping we can have a quick chat about the exchange I've had with Grady. 2019-07-12 11-36-21 PDT Martin Owens There was no changes, just a feature request. 2020-01-24 15-43-25 PST Martin Owens I also wanted to add an appologie if I stressed you out with pushing for backup people for some of the jobs. It's my greatest hope that you continue with inkscape leadership, my fear over what I remember the effects of canonical employment biases my mood but that's not your fault at all. 2019-01-17 12-55-00 PST Martin Owens https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/mull 2018-09-23 14-22-38 PDT Martin Owens The owner of the group hasn't been active on the internet for 2 years, so it's unsure if the group is actually unattended. 2018-10-09 15-34-36 PDT Martin Owens You looking for more Open Source work? (I assume full employment is your default) 2020-09-25 16-02-05 PDT Martin Owens Hi Bryce, let me know if you're available for a chat at some point. 2018-10-09 15-27-40 PDT Martin Owens sorry to hear that. 2019-04-08 07-45-42 PDT Martin Owens Off the public record, I've been having a lot of trouble with Moini and Patrick; trying to put a stop to the extensions development and revert to 0.92 extensions (because everything worked back then!) and I'm worried that the project doesn't see any value in the massive amounts of work I've put in trying to do this hard thing. I know this is paranoid which is why I tell you in confidence that I'm worried that unless the extensions are PERFECT, then there will be a call for reversion to get the release out. 2018-09-23 14-42-21 PDT Martin Owens Yes, which is what Chris will be asked to applogise for. I think he thought the group was official. 2019-01-17 12-53-04 PST Martin Owens They won't be as or near SCALE right, so next face to face is probably LibrePlanet 2019. I think the burning questions are just how much money Inkscape as a project should have for a year scale hiring. And if we should put it to the community as a project we may want to work on. 2018-10-07 12-15-10 PDT Martin Owens Could you create `test.inkscape.org` and point it at `inkscape1.osuosl.org`, I want to rule out cert issues with 140.211.9.79 but I can't because I don't control the DNS 2018-09-23 11-03-41 PDT Martin Owens Morning bryce. 2018-09-23 14-23-41 PDT Martin Owens That would be a trademark problem, someone pretending to be Inkscape while hating us. 2018-11-20 20-57-45 PST Martin Owens Hi bryce. We've got pretty much all the features requested for the forums. Have a look. 2018-09-23 14-21-26 PDT Martin Owens Thanks Bryce. It good to be validated somewhat, with all the patience it takes to receive what is basically abuse. But attempt to keep things on track. 2018-09-23 14-38-37 PDT Martin Owens Oh I see how it works, it's attached 2019-07-12 11-40-01 PDT Martin Owens No, I understand you're trying to help. I thought I had a better reputation than evidenced above. 2018-09-23 14-51-52 PDT Martin Owens and printing 2019-03-07 17-38-38 PST Martin Owens I'm betting Patrick feels somewhat protective of Thomas. 2018-09-23 17-42-41 PDT Martin Owens Thanks Bryce! 2019-07-12 11-37-13 PDT Martin Owens You seem to be attacking me. Which isn't helpful. 2019-01-17 12-43-19 PST Martin Owens Have you the skills for this new fen-dangled xorg replacement? 2019-01-17 12-42-57 PST Martin Owens :whale: 2018-10-07 12-15-37 PDT Martin Owens But maybe for now I'll revert everything to inkscape.org and change my host 2018-09-23 14-51-27 PDT Martin Owens Just sent you a draft email 2019-07-12 11-35-44 PDT Martin Owens I'm not going to touch the issue to be fair. 2018-11-20 20-58-08 PST Martin Owens Screenshot from 2018-11-20 23-55-11.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/GFr8oy7sBa5NjseKf/Screenshot%20from%20...) 2018-09-23 14-45-15 PDT Martin Owens Aye 2018-09-23 14-23-24 PDT Martin Owens My second tier concern is that if Grady is mentally unstable, then he'll continue to act with poor judgement,but look like he's acting for Inkscape. 2018-10-09 15-22-53 PDT Martin Owens 140.211.9.79 2019-01-17 12-55-21 PST Martin Owens Don't mind me, I treat English like python, weirdly and untested. :wink: 2018-09-23 14-34-56 PDT Martin Owens Do we specify at all? 2018-09-23 17-42-38 PDT Martin Owens Email sent, all your suggestions added and a bit added to the first paragraph. 2018-09-23 14-35-24 PDT Martin Owens We have processes in Vectors to publish things in channels, one of those is G+ 2018-09-23 14-37-28 PDT Martin Owens I believe those records might not be complete. 2018-09-23 14-22-02 PDT Martin Owens I agree with both your assessment of the technicals and the likely most effective political solution. 2018-09-23 14-51-48 PDT Martin Owens Please do, any information is good. I remember some things about color profiles. 2019-03-25 04-32-43 PDT Martin Owens Looks like we have our first spammer natash223, please delete. 2018-09-24 07-51-52 PDT Martin Owens Excellent (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/PZdv6f5xrTDKstSaP/Excellent) 2018-09-23 14-41-06 PDT Martin Owens OK. Sounds good 2018-11-20 21-00-14 PST Martin Owens So I'm hoping I can get some backing, at least in terms of giving it a serious go. (or at least less negativity for our website) 2018-10-09 15-43-31 PDT Martin Owens No permission to see it, but that's ok. 2018-10-09 15-33-25 PDT Martin Owens That sounds bad; both for yourself, but also for open source in general. 2018-09-23 14-32-16 PDT Martin Owens It's the worst solution for sure 2019-01-17 12-42-06 PST Martin Owens Hope all is well, did you manage to get a new job? 2018-09-23 14-53-47 PDT Martin Owens the trick is to use solar pannels 2018-10-09 15-23-29 PDT Martin Owens The DNS stuff is tightly centrally managed. How can we share this administration? 2018-09-23 14-30-22 PDT Martin Owens Do we monitor the siutation? If we have a CoC, but people can just be utter jerks because they're a part of a seperated republic, then it really doesn't do much. 2018-10-07 12-19-18 PDT Martin Owens Actually scrap all that, we can stick to the plan of setting up `staging.inkscape.org` later and make sure this machines gets to be inkscape.org 2020-04-28 07-37-07 PDT Martin Owens How you doing bryce? All quiet on the Ubuntu front so I take it a successful LTS? (not sure if Canonical are working on owt else) 2018-10-09 15-20-01 PDT Martin Owens Can you do that? The goal is 2018-10-11T14:00:00+0 or there abouts. 2018-11-20 20-59-03 PST Martin Owens I don't want the same nay-saying that killed the forum last time to drag this effort down again. 2020-01-25 13-36-41 PST Martin Owens Not sure if you intended to reply in public. :scream_cat: thanks bryce. 2018-10-09 15-27-16 PDT Martin Owens you seem super busy, everything ok? 2019-01-17 12-48-50 PST Martin Owens I think so. Is this something we've brought up with the conservancy before? Rather than just a contract? 2019-01-17 12-54-04 PST Martin Owens Consider them mull enabled. 2018-10-09 15-13-42 PDT Martin Owens That's really slow, could we possibly have the website down for 24 hours? 2018-09-23 14-35-34 PDT Martin Owens We can't publish to +inkscape, because that name's taken. 2019-01-17 12-47-07 PST Martin Owens The hurdles for Inkscape are health inssurance and pay stability over a set period right. 2019-01-17 12-54-46 PST Martin Owens to mull something over. 2018-09-23 14-35-52 PDT Martin Owens So do we specify that we do not operate a G+ community so everyone knows to stay away? 2018-10-09 15-37-08 PDT Martin Owens That's what it looked like at DevConf, they couldn't stop talking about it. 2019-03-07 17-38-21 PST Martin Owens I don't think it's a chewing and more of a momma bear situation. 2019-04-08 07-59-34 PDT Martin Owens calling 2020-01-24 15-41-31 PST Martin Owens Hi Bryce. I'm checking in to see how your doing, personally and with the new job. I don't know if we ever gave you a proper appologie for fucking up the SFC hiring so badly. I feel like I didn't step up to break the catch22 enough within the time we had, and I greatly regret it. 2018-09-23 14-55-19 PDT Martin Owens lol, I do the mech +speed, although it's nurfed now 2018-10-09 15-27-03 PDT Martin Owens thanks 2019-07-12 11-19-13 PDT Martin Owens I'm actually at a loss there, I've stepped back and looked, but all I get is more confused. It just doesn't add up. 2018-10-09 15-35-47 PDT Martin Owens Did you checkout RedHat? 2018-09-23 14-33-51 PDT Bryce Harrington if it's a community we have no ownership of, I'm not sure we have responsibility or authority to deal with problems arising on it 2018-09-23 12-17-02 PDT Bryce Harrington anyway, thanks again for taking the lead here; in the future try to loop me in prior to starting the engagement, I can probably give better advice at that point. 2018-09-23 14-35-07 PDT Bryce Harrington how do you mean? 2018-09-23 14-42-08 PDT Bryce Harrington thinking 2018-09-23 12-09-04 PDT Bryce Harrington the Chris that he had the earlier run in with was a completely different Chris, a german named Christoffer Holmstedt 2018-10-09 15-26-56 PDT Bryce Harrington I've sent off the request. 2019-04-08 07-52-41 PDT Bryce Harrington yeah I think I can understand everyone's feelings here 2018-09-23 12-00-47 PDT Bryce Harrington we probably should have had a chat prior to the initial engagement; I could have given you some additional background and maybe steered you on a better path 2019-01-17 12-42-21 PST Bryce Harrington no new job yet :-/ 2018-09-23 14-32-18 PDT Bryce Harrington I hear you... but we can't police the internet obviously, so there's going to have to be some boundary 2019-01-17 12-46-26 PST Bryce Harrington working for Inkscape would be great, yeah. I don't know much about proton. 2018-09-23 14-37-00 PDT Bryce Harrington in my records I show we have two G+ channels, one is +inkscape, the other is this community group 2019-07-12 11-35-05 PDT Bryce Harrington For now, wait on Josh's guidance. But beyond that I would suggest to try and focus on finding your common ground - what is the bigger picture you two are 100% in agreement on, what goals do you both share, and work from there. Establish that and build from there, don't get stuck on the weeds and let things get derailed on parts that are just confused. 2019-01-17 12-51-10 PST Bryce Harrington not formally, no. I did have lunch with Bradly last month and we touched on employing developers for funded development work, and I mentioned healthcare being something we couldn't provide and he handwaved that there were ways to address that. I didn't get into any details though. 2018-09-23 14-41-33 PDT Bryce Harrington we should probably keep in mind here, Chris wasn't acting in an official capacity for Inkscape, so technically we don't have a beef with the group, it's just a personal dust up between him and one of their moderators 2019-01-17 12-42-46 PST Bryce Harrington I applied to rejoin canonical but I think the skills they're looking for are not X.org/graphics 2019-03-07 17-53-34 PST Bryce Harrington could be, whatever the case, I find it hard to not be annoying to him. :-/ 2018-09-23 14-28-36 PDT Bryce Harrington the group lists quite a few moderators, and even if the owner is inactive I don't think that means we should step in. The moderators of that group can determine what they want to do themselves. 2019-04-08 07-57-29 PDT Bryce Harrington it does sound like a very hard thing, and I suspect that's what's worrying about people - we expect this to be really challenging to pull off well, and there's probably a very high risk of unexpected issues 2018-09-23 11-59-26 PDT Bryce Harrington thanks for ccing me in the discussions; you're doing a good job dealing with the situation. 2018-10-09 15-35-14 PDT Bryce Harrington yeah hoping to stay with open source in some form 2018-09-23 12-09-29 PDT Bryce Harrington he's actually a member of Scribus, not Inkscape, and hasn't participated any further with us since that dust up (unfortunately) 2018-09-23 12-10-14 PDT Bryce Harrington maybe Grady has PTSD about Chrisses. ;-) 2018-09-23 14-42-40 PDT Bryce Harrington I did as well, although I thought it was owned by Josh. 2018-09-23 11-58-41 PDT Bryce Harrington hi martin 2018-09-23 12-07-13 PDT Bryce Harrington so.... if this is true, I'm not sure we have authority over how they run the group. And if Chris was participating there of his own accord and not as a representative of Inkscape, then I'm not sure we have any role at all in this matter. However, since Chris' posts were deleted I have no ability to verify what was said or done. 2018-09-23 12-19-52 PDT Bryce Harrington as to how to clean this up... ideally I think a sincere apology from Chris would be in the works - if only because even though he wasn't acting as a board member, fact is he is one, so it reflects poorly on the project. You're probably right this may be a tough thing to ask though, but in an ideal world that's the diplomatic course. 2019-01-17 12-47-47 PST Bryce Harrington probably more the latter. I could stay on COBRA for a while still 2019-07-12 11-41-07 PDT Bryce Harrington Yes, hopefully Josh can give some useful guidance. 2019-03-07 17-35-07 PST Bryce Harrington ugh, I hate getting chewed out by patrick 2018-09-23 12-05-08 PDT Bryce Harrington I looked at the G+ group in question - I don't recognize the names of any of the moderators, and it is owned by some russian guy. I had in my notes that Josh was the admin, but that appears not to be the case. I don't know what the history of the group is but as it's configured currently, Grady's right this seems to be a completely independent group from us 2018-10-09 15-27-21 PDT Bryce Harrington no 2018-09-23 12-08-02 PDT Bryce Harrington however, there is one point of confusion, that's a bit humorous even though it's the cause of some stress for Grady 2019-04-08 07-55-21 PDT Bryce Harrington there is no doubt that you do massive amounts of work, it's always impressive 2018-09-23 14-40-50 PDT Bryce Harrington maybe, but it might be too rash to do it right this moment, there is still a question of what *they* want the relationship to be 2019-01-17 12-45-04 PST Bryce Harrington but yeah I have useful experience in that area, just not the hard core internals 2019-07-12 11-38-05 PDT Bryce Harrington sorry, I'm trying to offer constructive criticism but perhaps this is not the time or place for that 2018-09-23 14-54-07 PDT Bryce Harrington she likes grenades 2018-09-23 14-31-18 PDT Bryce Harrington fwiw, I really don't like the idea of using the trademark as a cudgel to force communities to do things. I saw that used back in my D&D days against communities I was involved in, and it created a humongous amount of ill will. 2018-10-09 15-36-33 PDT Bryce Harrington yep, first place I applied to. They're staffing up on kubernetes mostly 2018-09-23 14-28-57 PDT Bryce Harrington if we were to push ourselves on them, given this situation, it would really blow up. 2019-07-12 11-36-33 PDT Bryce Harrington Martin, you need to remember that you *pushed* to take over implementing the forum, rather than using something off the shelf, so you have some responsibility here to make sure things go well 2019-04-08 07-52-50 PDT Bryce Harrington do you want to phone me? if you do, 503.524.2655. 2018-09-23 22-01-32 PDT Bryce Harrington nicely done, appears to have worked as planned 2019-07-12 11-35-51 PDT Bryce Harrington understand your own personality too - think of other instances where you've had differences of opinions or where your changes have upset someone, and how those got resolved 2018-09-23 14-33-07 PDT Bryce Harrington if we own a community site, then we definitely have CoC oversight duties. No question there 2019-07-12 11-38-21 PDT Bryce Harrington besides, I don't know any specifics about the issue in question 2018-09-23 14-44-59 PDT Bryce Harrington I wish Josh was more active, it'd be useful to get his input on the ownership sitch 2018-10-09 15-22-23 PDT Bryce Harrington maybe, I got a lot going on right now. what's the new IP? 2018-09-23 12-03-41 PDT Bryce Harrington maybe in the future we can make it a policy to discuss what to do beforehand. Might help ensure we have all the right facts and a good strategy 2018-09-23 15-47-03 PDT Bryce Harrington I had said Chris Holmstedt earlier, but actually you're right it was Christoph Schafer 2018-10-09 15-19-22 PDT Bryce Harrington might be quicker during business hours or if we pre-arrange it 2018-10-09 13-54-27 PDT Bryce Harrington osuosl seems to handle dns requests within about 24 hrs 2018-09-23 14-47-57 PDT Bryce Harrington were you following the prior incident? I can give you the reader's digest version 2020-04-28 11-40-27 PDT Bryce Harrington yep 2019-01-17 12-53-06 PST Bryce Harrington I do have ideas on how to strengthen our sponsorship systems, and maybe some new avenues to look for money, like grant programs and so on. Would take a lot of work to solicit sponsors but it wouldn't take too many more sponsors to get us to the level we need to be 2019-01-17 12-53-25 PST Bryce Harrington right 2019-01-17 12-55-02 PST Bryce Harrington ahhh 2018-09-23 14-21-47 PDT Bryce Harrington yeah 2019-01-17 12-44-35 PST Bryce Harrington I doubt I'll take a job working on wayland. It's too niche and honestly there's not much needing to be done at that level. 2019-07-12 11-37-18 PDT Bryce Harrington it may be that you're right, but you need to get people on the same page with you first, not just bull ahead knowing you're right 2018-09-23 12-21-19 PDT Bryce Harrington if the group is indeed unaffiliated with Inkscape and wishes no official ties with us, then it would probably be appropriate to recognize that, and for you to apologize for overstepping any boundaries out of our misunderstanding of our relationship with their group (or something to that effect). 2019-01-17 12-53-44 PST Bryce Harrington all good questions, I don't know the answer to 2018-09-23 12-17-51 PDT Bryce Harrington you're doing a remarkably good job, better than I probably would, but I think in this case maybe a different angle on it would have worked better. 2019-01-17 12-43-49 PST Bryce Harrington I got kind of sidetracked due to my mom's funeral, and then the inkscape release. There's always something to consume free time. 2018-10-09 15-42-17 PDT Bryce Harrington RT support.osuosl.org #30323 2019-01-17 12-48-21 PST Bryce Harrington I imagine the actual employment would be through Conservancy? so maybe they'd have a solution for that 2018-09-23 12-24-58 PDT Bryce Harrington IMHO, #1 priority here is to not leave any bad blood. We may need the goodwill of this group in the future (I'm thinking of a company whose name begins with W), so better to let Grady save face and back out of the situation, then to push ahead and maybe make things worse. 2018-09-23 14-53-09 PDT Bryce Harrington ok in a bit; daughter just got home and wants to play factorio 2018-10-09 15-32-58 PDT Bryce Harrington Samsung is shutting down its Open Source department, so been busy with job hunt stuff. 2019-01-17 12-54-29 PST Bryce Harrington mull?