2020-02-25 14-30-47 PST Martin Owens I'd continue it. You have good data, and it can be used by devs and others. 2020-01-14 12-40-47 PST Martin Owens Thanks! 2020-02-20 16-13-12 PST Martin Owens But I owe you some favours from this flowering of debate for sure. 2020-02-04 15-42-40 PST Martin Owens Yeah, I blocked Patrick too. It's a personal thing for private messages. 2020-02-20 16-42-43 PST Martin Owens I'm British (whatever that means now), but I live in Boston. 2020-02-04 15-44-40 PST Martin Owens People are people and need their space. I know I do. When my daughter screams a lot, I wear ear defenders. 2020-02-25 14-31-19 PST Martin Owens But I understand. Either way. Also there's no friction with me, I hope, just debate. 2020-02-20 16-19-25 PST Martin Owens A table for contributors would be super cool. I would back that. 2020-02-04 15-31-06 PST Martin Owens You will find it ironic and maybe frustrating to know the reason. 2020-02-20 15-56-59 PST Martin Owens I'm about to put an actual code change to a merge request. It edits the same or similar things, it's a good oppotunity for developers to have a say over it. 2020-02-20 16-41-05 PST Martin Owens Where are you in the world? 2020-02-25 12-02-00 PST Martin Owens You can put it in the regular wiki 2020-12-06 02-28-37 PST Martin Owens Understood. How are you and is everything going well? 2020-02-20 16-23-56 PST Martin Owens It's bike shedding 2020-02-20 16-26-42 PST Martin Owens Anything you bring to the community that looks like anyone could have an opinion on, will get drawn out into a long debate about specifics. 2020-02-04 14-23-10 PST Martin Owens Are you here? 2020-02-20 16-11-41 PST Martin Owens Retort: I say comparing Inkscape to other vector programs is unhealthy, it limits our creativity, takes our eye off the user's actual experience and needs and does little for our confidence as an independent project. 2020-02-04 15-33-40 PST Martin Owens From what I understand, she's not harmed by the exchange. 2020-02-04 15-35-03 PST Martin Owens I should point out that I've been in a bust up with Patrick (three times now). Mostly over wordings and trustings and the way people expect things to happen versus how they do. 2020-02-04 15-31-37 PST Martin Owens BUT 2020-02-20 16-20-10 PST Martin Owens I would back a comprehensive comparison which contributors can use to understand Inkscape's strengths and weaknesses. 2020-02-04 15-24-19 PST Martin Owens So there's a specific context. She's still very mad at you. This may come across if she ever comments after you. 2020-01-14 03-48-44 PST Martin Owens You can email me directly at doctormo@gmail.com 2020-02-04 15-31-19 PST Martin Owens Which is she is mad that you deleted the conversation. 2020-02-04 15-43-10 PST Martin Owens Although that was after we tried to sort things out in private and it went /baddly/ 2020-02-04 15-26-51 PST Martin Owens I wanted to make sure you understood this context. 2020-02-04 15-39-10 PST Martin Owens Wiki's are for incomplete and draft information. I mean, mark it as such, but wow, being told not to contribute because it wasn't finished. 2020-02-20 16-29-19 PST Martin Owens I wish to be honest for a second. If you will permit me a minute of reflection? 2020-02-04 15-45-25 PST Martin Owens Yes 2020-02-20 16-09-40 PST Martin Owens You were right to point it out 2020-02-20 16-36-33 PST Martin Owens Both yourself (and brynn) have this way of talking about your interesting and exciting ideas which doesn't interact with criticism. When I (I can only talk about myself) offer a piece of information, the information is treated as an enemy of the exciting idea. Thus the information must be destroyed or ignored. Leading to endless cycling as I would then have to repeat myself the same information over and over again. The problem isn't that the information has to be accepted, or treasured. But swift acknowledgement and integration into the exciting idea or modulation reinforces that we're collaborating on the idea and I'm not fighting you to the death to have it all my way or all your way. 2020-02-20 17-00-07 PST Martin Owens User experences/expectations. 2020-02-04 15-15-14 PST Martin Owens Oh good. Was the issue you had between him and you? 2020-02-04 15-35-51 PST Martin Owens Nah man, I'm poking my nose in, you're both being kindly to my intervention. 2020-02-04 15-41-05 PST Martin Owens The place to bring up where you'd like to take this is here and now. Meetings and such aren't much good for recriminations. Just dry policy and neutral objectively driven ideas. 2020-02-20 16-09-11 PST Martin Owens https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/merge_requests/1465/diffs 2020-02-04 15-48-16 PST Martin Owens Thanks for contributing to Inkscape and baring with us. 2020-02-04 15-41-55 PST Martin Owens I mean you know, in private, when concerning a specific other person. 2020-02-20 16-40-40 PST Martin Owens No one is that important to the project. And I am genuinely sorry for being incapable of communicating the ideas that I want to effectively. My voice is but one. 2020-02-20 16-18-54 PST Martin Owens So a cool table for contributors? 2020-02-20 16-14-10 PST Martin Owens I may wrong you personally by hitting out at your ideas. I mean to encourage you, while exercising your ideas to improve their fittness. 2020-02-04 15-30-50 PST Martin Owens I understand. This kind of thing is why mediation exists. So emotions don't fester. 2020-02-20 16-28-42 PST Martin Owens It's social dynamics. 2020-02-20 16-12-42 PST Martin Owens Aye, guilty as charged. 2020-02-04 15-20-25 PST Martin Owens I wanted to make sure you had context between you and Moini. 2020-02-04 15-48-04 PST Martin Owens :-) 2020-02-04 15-41-41 PST Martin Owens Well I don't mean HERE and NOW. 2020-02-04 15-32-20 PST Martin Owens So you perhaps weren't to know 2020-02-04 15-42-52 PST Martin Owens When emotions get too high 2020-02-20 16-09-32 PST Martin Owens Sorry if I changed that page arrogantly. 2020-02-04 15-43-23 PST Martin Owens He's not blocked now ;-) 2020-02-24 23-02-10 PST Martin Owens Culture, as you said. Hopefully we can all maintain enough relationships that if someone and someone else aren't getting on, there's a chance they both have a friend that can sort it out. 2020-02-04 15-43-42 PST Martin Owens But that's why mediation exists. As soon as I found out she's blocked you, I knew that this process had to start. 2020-02-20 15-56-00 PST Martin Owens It's tacky 2020-02-20 15-53-58 PST Martin Owens Sure 2020-02-20 16-42-07 PST Martin Owens Maybe at a SCaLEx in the US, or if you visit the east coast one day. 2020-02-04 15-45-36 PST Martin Owens Although we don't talk about England any more ;-) 2020-02-04 15-17-38 PST Martin Owens Ah, see I think I've just had a conversation with the third person. 2020-02-04 15-48-23 PST Martin Owens Any issues, let me know. 2020-02-04 15-40-19 PST Martin Owens Anyway. I'm currently minding my space with Patrick and he's being cautious around me. You may find Moini will keep her space, if you wish to do the same. 2020-02-20 16-28-22 PST Martin Owens It's not a strategy. 2020-02-20 16-22-20 PST Martin Owens That's fair, draft away where ever you have permissions to do so safely. 2020-02-04 15-38-43 PST Martin Owens ugh, thats doubly frustrating because it's wrong. 2020-02-20 16-10-38 PST Martin Owens Although I still fully support the community based good/bad/ugly table. Which would be unique, creative and honest. 2020-02-04 15-35-12 PST Martin Owens Chris was the mediator in that situation. 2020-02-20 16-36-55 PST Martin Owens This might just be me interacting baddly with your style of rhetoric. 2020-02-25 12-02-20 PST Martin Owens Because the wiki (all of it) is not considered a public facing communication. It's more internal. 2020-12-10 07-49-32 PST Martin Owens Getting by. Of course the world seems to have gone a bit mad. But that's the kind fo the thing the world seems to do. 2020-02-04 15-32-08 PST Martin Owens She also says that this is probably understandable given that Patrick set a bad example by deleting his own folly 2020-02-20 16-24-16 PST Martin Owens https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/Parkinsons-law-of-triviality-bikesh... 2020-02-20 16-15-37 PST Martin Owens The specific thing about mentioning other programs is /old/ and needed revisiting. It's something that we just didn't need to change because there's plenty more to be getting on with. And that's probably you're biggest argument (which I would have no defence against): Just let me get on with the docs project and you mind yours, we know what we're doing. 2020-02-04 15-44-16 PST Martin Owens Don't take it personally. 2020-02-20 17-01-02 PST Martin Owens If you want to set up a hackfest in Canada, I think there would be interest. It's just harder for your end of the world as few Europeans would trek all the way there. So it'd be limited to USians, and we are fewer now than we used to be. 2020-02-04 15-45-04 PST Martin Owens Obrigado? 2020-01-22 23-06-54 PST Martin Owens Great news. 2020-02-20 15-57-55 PST Martin Owens If they reject the change, I'll put back the About page text as it was. 2020-02-20 16-27-07 PST Martin Owens Such is community. 2020-02-20 16-16-55 PST Martin Owens You can see we have mentioned AI and Corel MANY times, not just once on the about screen. So a change like this is me putting my neck on the line, I'm liable to get burned. 2020-02-20 16-20-51 PST Martin Owens But you're drafting it on the website instead of the wiki. So it looks like you're writing it for users instead. 2020-02-04 10-11-44 PST Martin Owens Always. As I said. I take community serious. 2020-02-04 15-20-10 PST Martin Owens It's no waste 2020-02-20 16-21-52 PST Victor Westmann [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/doctormo?msg=6oCuMMRGDoXnPrbj7) Brynn was brave enough to encourage me to write in a place where it would be read and consumed. () 2020-02-04 15-19-15 PST Victor Westmann We are all digital neighbours here. I will do my best to not disturb the public peace here and at the same time try to offer value to the project. :slight_smile: 2020-02-20 16-41-14 PST Victor Westmann Right now I am in Vancouver, Canada. 2020-02-04 15-45-14 PST Victor Westmann wow! nice! thanks!!! 2020-02-20 16-24-12 PST Victor Westmann let me google that. 1 sec. 2020-02-04 15-43-59 PST Victor Westmann That's funny. 2020-02-20 16-30-55 PST Victor Westmann Try not to break my heart or offend me, please. 2020-12-05 17-18-27 PST Victor Westmann Hello hello dear friend! How are you doing lately? I realized I am not actively tweeting in the account I ended up creating for the Inkscape Brazil account so I would like to hand you over all of the access to it in case any other Brazilian fan shows up in this chat. Let me know if you are interested ok? 2020-02-20 16-19-41 PST Victor Westmann [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/doctormo?msg=bCi7PJsbri7QihYFj) What do you mean by that? () 2020-02-04 15-47-00 PST Victor Westmann It must be extremely stressful to be part of the EU block. Imagine if we are having problems here with our open source project... this could the 5.000x worse running policies and laws from multiple different countries. 2020-02-25 00-33-12 PST Victor Westmann Patience, empathy, and respect. This is the answer. 2020-02-04 15-32-55 PST Victor Westmann I agree with this 100%. No. 500%. 2020-02-20 16-22-39 PST Victor Westmann The table can be changed by anyone if there are wrong/inconsistent things in it... but it needs to be in a place where it can be consumed. 2020-02-20 16-16-52 PST Victor Westmann I think this table could be soo cool and soo nice nd people could even visit our page more because of it. 2020-02-04 15-42-51 PST Victor Westmann really? wow. I had no idea. 2020-02-04 15-27-28 PST Victor Westmann I am mad at her. She has NO RIGHT to be mad at me. At all. This is absurd. 2020-02-20 15-55-43 PST Victor Westmann I am really trying to understand this. For real. I still was not able to understand the reasons not to go this direction. 2020-02-20 16-13-30 PST Victor Westmann what do you mean by that? 2020-02-20 16-26-13 PST Victor Westmann It would be done only once and updated very few times along the years. It has value. 2020-02-04 15-47-37 PST Victor Westmann Anyway... I don't want to take much of your time. Obrigado (for your time, ears, and wise advices). 2020-02-20 16-23-50 PST Victor Westmann Dear lord. 2020-02-20 16-19-27 PST Victor Westmann It would be the MOST transparent table ever. It would be all there. With references to all other progrsams manuals and documentations 2020-02-04 15-36-59 PST Victor Westmann Maybe I can try to bring this up in feb or mach in the entire project meeting? I can try to discuss this with brynn and c.rogers and maybe other people. 2020-02-20 15-56-23 PST Victor Westmann Canadians are tacky. They love it! lol 2020-02-20 15-56-11 PST Victor Westmann That's it? 2020-02-20 16-20-26 PST Victor Westmann This is the point all along! 2020-02-04 15-41-28 PST Victor Westmann Thank you for letting me know. 2020-02-20 16-29-15 PST Victor Westmann Infinite threads of discussions... 2020-02-20 16-40-51 PST Victor Westmann I wish I can meet you all one day in a conference or hackfest. 2020-02-20 16-42-51 PST Victor Westmann I plan to visit them by the end of this year. 2020-02-20 16-21-22 PST Victor Westmann We would not lose users/contributors... I would even dare to say we would get more users when they realize some specific feature they are looking for already exists in our application! 2020-02-04 15-18-08 PST Victor Westmann So that's fine. It is comprehensible. 2020-02-04 15-18-32 PST Victor Westmann Sometimes it is just that I get the feeling that there could be a way to be direct, objective and not be rude, and not offend people. 2020-02-04 15-29-20 PST Victor Westmann I am open for dialog at all times. If there is any time this is needed. But there is like a secret pleasure in putting people down. 2020-02-24 22-59-27 PST Victor Westmann Hey Mr. I would like to thank you for not shaming me in public like other people did in the past. 2020-02-04 15-30-05 PST Victor Westmann She knew more than I did. I was doing things that could be corrected... but the tone of voice and the self-proclaimed authority kind of made her lose the reason and the point. 2020-02-20 16-23-42 PST Victor Westmann the resistance I got from all of you to just put together table of requirements 2020-02-04 15-45-17 PST Victor Westmann that;'s correct! 2020-02-04 15-34-49 PST Victor Westmann Since you seem to be a more neutral person in the entire project and seems to have access to her kindly mention that people would not listen to her, despite her great wealth of knowledge, and comprehension on our application, if she is rude/aggressive or just assume things without asking. 2020-01-13 23-30-23 PST Victor Westmann Hi Doctormo. I just got an email from twitter. Is there any personal email I can send you with their response? I mentioned that I would like to use Inkcape Brasil account and they replied. I just don't know how to proceed. Let me know your thoughts on this one, if any. Thanks! 2020-02-04 15-48-32 PST Victor Westmann You guys are amazing. You guys are worth ALL the effort. Always. 2020-02-20 16-41-24 PST Victor Westmann Provice of British Columbia 2020-02-20 16-42-41 PST Victor Westmann I have 2 sisters living in Europe. 1 in Poland. 1 in Spain. 2020-02-04 15-46-08 PST Victor Westmann I hope everything works out for the best for everyone to be honest. 2020-02-04 15-17-50 PST Victor Westmann We all dedicate time and energy to this project. Sometimes I just feel we could have bigger empathy for people in general. Being technically knowledgeable in Inkscape application shouldn't be an excuse to treat people badly but that's ok. I guess the entire project is stressed out due to the amount of work everyone has to do and probably due to the proximity of the 1.0 release. 2020-01-22 20-50-27 PST Victor Westmann Hey, doctormo. Just to give you an explanation on the topic of the Twitter account @inkcapeBrasil 2020-02-25 00-33-26 PST Victor Westmann Thank you for being civilized at all times. 2020-02-20 16-28-49 PST Victor Westmann Discussions are good. They are healthy. But man... somethings are endlessly discussed. 2020-02-04 15-43-31 PST Victor Westmann For real. 2020-02-20 16-39-48 PST Victor Westmann I want to add value to the project. And to everyone. I am open to criticism and to modifying my way of thinking. We all are. We should be, right? We are all constantly changing. 2020-02-04 15-43-57 PST Victor Westmann AHAHHAHAHA. She blocked me? 2020-02-04 15-38-06 PST Victor Westmann THere was a time I put a simple table of requirements in the Inkscape wiki and Patrick ran to tell me that we didn't put on the wiki incomplete stuff. I was very frustrated but I deleted the article I put up in there. I don't want to have fights with everyone on this project. Quite the opposite. I want to have good transit with everyone and help things move forward. 2020-02-20 16-41-40 PST Victor Westmann Just above California, in US. near Seattle. 2020-02-20 16-22-58 PST Victor Westmann Poor Brynn. I hope she is not sad as I am or burned in this whole discussion. 2020-02-04 15-31-17 PST Victor Westmann I am all ears. 2020-12-10 07-11-01 PST Victor Westmann All is well my friend. Given the fact that we are surviving a silent 3rd world war in apocalyptic times... I'm good. Are you good as well? How are things in your house/family? 2020-02-25 10-49-51 PST Victor Westmann Is my personal profile inside of the Inkscape wiki a good place? Or would it be considered immoral? 2020-02-04 15-20-04 PST Victor Westmann Apologies for making you waste your time with this. 2020-02-20 16-20-21 PST Victor Westmann Yes my friend! 2020-02-20 16-43-56 PST Victor Westmann But lets say we do the table and convert it to THINGS INKSCAPE IS GOOD, OK, AND BAD. 2020-02-04 15-43-29 PST Victor Westmann I am sorry to hear this my friend. 2020-02-25 13-35-50 PST Victor Westmann Ok. Thanks. I really want to avoid more friction with you and everyone else. I don't want to cause any trouble or disagreements. I will see with Brynn if we can continue this or if we will kill it. 2020-02-20 16-38-52 PST Victor Westmann Thank you for putting this out to me doctormo. I know you are very skilled and very important to the project. I will meditate on your words for some time today (and maybe tomorrow). Sorry if I make yourself repeat to me multiple times. This is bad. This is not ideal. I will take it with an open heart. 2020-02-04 15-45-57 PST Victor Westmann Oh yeah... sadly you guys want out of the EU. 2020-02-20 16-15-38 PST Victor Westmann It is just like... I mentioned that our house should have windows in other rooms because we have 10 rooms and only 1 of them have a window. ANd instead of installing 9 other windows at 9 ither different rooms in a house we go on and tear the only window we have at the house. 2020-02-20 16-20-42 PST Victor Westmann Compare what we do well and what we don;'t do well. ANd maybe other programs do it better. 2020-02-04 15-22-56 PST Victor Westmann She is very knowledgeable about our application. And she helps us a LOT. We are all grateful to have her around. No question about that. It is just that sometimes there could be more tact in how you talk to people. That's all.

Maybe I am living in Canada too long now (4 years) and this got to me somehow. Idk. 2020-02-20 16-18-17 PST Victor Westmann we could have this super cool table with real info. Like an extensive table (it could start small and simple) and then grow to be reasonably detailed. 2020-02-20 16-47-35 PST Victor Westmann The idea is not to mention any other applications, right? So what are we comparing inkscape with? 2020-02-20 16-24-05 PST Victor Westmann ? 2020-02-04 15-35-53 PST Victor Westmann You do so much work for Inkscape. I see you are almost like 24/7 online fixing things, mentoring people, asking questions... we really, deeply appreciate what you do. 2020-02-20 16-16-06 PST Victor Westmann meh 2020-01-22 20-52-03 PST Victor Westmann I managed to find (by accident) who was the creator or it and it seems it was Valessio Brito with Aurelio Heckert. However, they both don't seem to have a way to recover the credentials to the original account... so... with this in place, and given the fact that I already created a similar account, named, Inkcape do Brasil ("Inkscape Of Brazil", instead of "Inkcape Brazil") I think things can continue this way for now. 2020-02-04 15-28-41 PST Victor Westmann She know a lot about a lot of things, but this does not give you the right to make a person feel stupid in public. I tried to talk to her in the private chat room and she said: "Oh, I don't talk in private". This is just like, "oh yes, let me keep embarassing you in public". This is nonsense, offensive, and outrageous. 2020-02-04 15-40-48 PST Victor Westmann What do you mean by "keep her space"? 2020-02-04 15-42-38 PST Victor Westmann She said: "I don't talk in private. whatever you need to discuss with me should be in public" 2020-02-04 09-59-37 PST Victor Westmann Hi there my friend. I appreciate your concern with me. Really. You are very kind and a very professional person. I will see if I can handle it myself. I believe I will survive. :sunglasses: It is just that people need to be more considerate with others, that's all. Thanks again for worrying. It is important for the community health. :thumbsup: 2020-02-04 15-45-42 PST Victor Westmann Skies here are as gray as UK. But c.rogers said that skies are more blue now. hehe 2020-02-20 16-23-26 PST Victor Westmann Also 2020-02-20 15-58-05 PST Victor Westmann ma friend! 2020-02-04 15-35-29 PST Victor Westmann I am sorry you have to go through all this man. Really. trully. Sorry. 2020-02-20 16-43-19 PST Victor Westmann they are all mainly in Europe. 2020-02-20 16-11-40 PST Victor Westmann This comparison in the about page was there for at least 15 years. Just because I mentioned it it got erased. 2020-02-20 15-58-55 PST Victor Westmann I was so happy I could help explore options to compare how Inkscape relates to other programs... and you go there and remove them from the page. lol (that hurt).

Let's see what the Inkscape council decides. 2020-02-04 15-42-17 PST Victor Westmann pfffff... tell me about it! I tried talking to her in private. 2020-02-20 16-29-00 PST Victor Westmann The poor survey I tried to put in the project. 2020-02-04 15-33-20 PST Victor Westmann I would pay her therapy if I had extra money here. But I am just restarting my life in Canada. 2020-02-20 16-19-05 PST Victor Westmann It wouldn't be immoral. or ilegal. Or undecent. 2020-02-04 15-45-01 PST Victor Westmann And now that I am living in Canada for the past 4 years I guess this made me even more soft? (if that is even possible!) 2020-02-20 16-42-28 PST Victor Westmann Are you in the US? I thought you were in UK. 2020-02-04 15-15-13 PST Victor Westmann I think it is more a matter of saying things in a light/nice way. But it is all good. Thank you again for worrying and for checking on me. I appreciate your concern. 2020-02-20 16-26-30 PST Victor Westmann If I am wrong we can always delete it. 2020-02-20 16-25-54 PST Victor Westmann DONE! 2020-02-04 15-32-47 PST Victor Westmann It is like you said. We are all humans. We make mistakes. We need to do our best to get along. 2020-02-04 15-38-21 PST Victor Westmann Thank you for being kind and open. This is really needed, especially here. 2020-02-04 15-15-38 PST Victor Westmann No. It was an issue we both have with another person. :sweat_smile: 2020-02-04 15-44-20 PST Victor Westmann I don't. 2020-02-20 16-27-19 PST Victor Westmann I noticed this. It seems like an strategy to kill new ideas slowly with soooo much discussion and very few actions on it. lol 2020-02-04 15-15-48 PST Victor Westmann But we discussed our points of view and it makes sense. 2020-02-20 16-10-26 PST Victor Westmann Comparing Inkscape to other vector programs is healthy. It helps users understand what we do... but oh well... 2020-02-20 16-18-36 PST Victor Westmann This has potential for even all of us to understand our own weaknesses and strenghts. 2020-12-05 17-18-57 PST Victor Westmann service: twitter.com login: inkscapeb mobile phone attached to it at the moment (mine): +1 778 938 9039 (Canadian number) p******: Deusebom2016Deusebom2016Deusebom2016 2020-02-20 15-59-04 PST Victor Westmann May we have fruitful discussions! 2020-02-04 15-44-38 PST Victor Westmann I have a German last name but since I was born in Brazil I am a lot softer. 2020-02-04 15-14-03 PST Victor Westmann Yes. I talked to c.rogers about all this. 2020-01-14 12-40-22 PST Victor Westmann Just sent you an email. 2020-02-04 15-45-22 PST Victor Westmann You are from UK, right? 2020-02-04 15-40-00 PST Victor Westmann It is ok. Living learning eh? :sweat_smile: 2020-02-24 23-00-10 PST Victor Westmann And for still being polite in public (as well as in private). Also, thank you for not blocking me in private. 2020-02-04 15-44-12 PST Victor Westmann Anyway... thank you for your kindness, worrying, and chat. Appreciate it very much! 2020-02-04 15-31-36 PST Victor Westmann oh my... is this the reason? 2020-02-20 16-42-59 PST Victor Westmann ohhh. nice. 2020-02-20 16-43-14 PST Victor Westmann We never have Inkscape conferences in Canada right? 2020-02-20 16-12-25 PST Victor Westmann It is just so disencouraging... 2020-02-04 15-27-11 PST Victor Westmann Wait. WHAT? She is mad at me? For what reason? I felt so embarassed for the way she answered me in the translation team chat that I ended up erasing things. Is this how we want to build a community and receive new members? We were practically screaming and pointing fingers at each other in that chat room.

That is terrible for everyone. That is very toxic for me and for the project. How is a new member going to feel welcome if there is a BIG fight going on in that chat? 2020-02-20 16-29-44 PST Victor Westmann Of course. Always. Honesty first,. Always, 2020-02-20 16-12-08 PST Victor Westmann People are not even eager to run the survey. 2020-02-04 15-31-39 PST Victor Westmann Dear LORD! 2020-02-04 15-41-46 PST Victor Westmann I guess managing people is also tricky and time consuming. 2020-02-04 15-14-17 PST Victor Westmann Actually, he came to talk to me in the private chat. I am good. 2020-02-20 16-17-41 PST Victor Westmann No. I don't want you to get burned. No one needs to be injured. We don't want that. 2020-02-20 15-55-09 PST Victor Westmann Why was it so damaging to have the name of other vector graphics applications in our About > About page? And why is it so damaging to put table and show strengths and weaknesses of different programs, in the same category? (vector editing apps) 2020-02-25 10-32-18 PST Victor Westmann So if I publish this table at my own expense, in a personal place it is fine. But you guys won't do it in a project space, is this it? I am cool with that. 2020-02-20 15-53-45 PST Victor Westmann Hey Doctormo. Do you have 5 minutes, or so? :) 2020-02-20 16-22-11 PST Victor Westmann The wiki seems to be mainly for developers and few non-technical people read it. 2020-02-20 16-25-52 PST Victor Westmann So you think we are devoting a huge amount of time to something that is not important. Just stop resisting and say: "lets give it a go." Do a small and simple draft. If no one likes it we will take it down after 7 or 10 days. Deal? 2020-02-04 15-41-19 PST Victor Westmann Got it. No worries then. 2020-01-22 20-52-49 PST Victor Westmann I will give you the credentials if it happens to have a moment I will need to step down from it... but so far I am enjoying help spread the word of Inkscape in my native language. :smiley: :thumbsup: 2020-02-20 16-09-41 PST Victor Westmann :broken_heart: