2020-10-08 06-22-47 PDT Martin Owens :thumbup: Great 2020-06-08 07-09-28 PDT Martin Owens :thumbsup: 2020-06-23 16-03-28 PDT Martin Owens I'll need to schedule some time to work on that. I hope a delay is ok. 2020-11-30 08-48-20 PST Martin Owens Great. It's all go on the release front at the moment :-) 2020-05-28 02-34-58 PDT Martin Owens It will route, but test test test your workflow gently down stream... 2020-04-28 08-25-30 PDT Martin Owens email sent 2020-11-30 08-46-31 PST Martin Owens I should add that Feature Freeze for Inkscape 1.1 is tomorrow, so no new features for Inkscape 1.1, but this doesn't stop features being completed for 1.2 and delivering a developer cut to you test out or use in production. 2020-11-17 09-52-31 PST Martin Owens Invest some buzwords and see if there's a business week article that'll back you up ;-) 2020-12-01 09-35-41 PST Martin Owens Sent by email 2019-12-23 09-40-25 PST Martin Owens I see a way forwards, the task for me is to figure out how to design the data stored so it doesn't conflict with svg itself. 2020-04-28 08-44-35 PDT Martin Owens Yes, this is the first installment sort of level. To keep things small and the risk minimal. 2019-12-23 18-10-37 PST Martin Owens I actually upgraded the right angled path tool this year. The real tricks will come after the first steps when it comes to improving the auto router. 2020-12-01 09-42-14 PST Martin Owens Correction sent 2019-12-23 09-46-35 PST Martin Owens How would you see the files being opened in other tools? 2020-05-07 09-58-53 PDT Martin Owens If you only have one pen 😅 2020-10-08 05-35-48 PDT Martin Owens I'm sure you can imagine that it's hard to guess exactly how long it might take. If say 3 other companies all join up and want the same thing, this is going to go much faster than say if it's just yourselves. So speed isn't dependent on just what yourselves do but somewhat on what everyone wants together. 2020-04-28 08-42-17 PDT Martin Owens 2- The user can create new shapes, but will have to manually add points via the xml editor 2020-06-30 23-42-27 PDT Martin Owens Up for it! 2020-05-05 11-22-03 PDT Martin Owens A cheque would be good. You can send it to 35 Fuller St, Boston, MA, 02124 2019-12-23 18-11-25 PST Martin Owens also may I applaud yourself for trying to contribute to inkscape even though you're not a current user. This shows real generosity or vision (delete where appropriate) 2020-06-23 12-36-57 PDT Martin Owens I'll rebase the work today and try and get it into master. I take it you may need some snapping on the node hitting? 2020-06-26 12-56-13 PDT Martin Owens Absolutely. 2020-04-28 08-45-46 PDT Martin Owens :thumbsup: 2020-06-26 00-49-52 PDT Martin Owens I decided on squares instead of X for the connectors. Actually slightly bigger than the center point. 2020-10-09 11-43-16 PDT Martin Owens It's good, does outlook just do the calendar or is it the video chat too? 2020-06-28 07-47-42 PDT Martin Owens It's also merged. So this work will be in inkscape 1.1 2020-11-17 09-48-04 PST Martin Owens Thanks for the update, I've got a more professional looking patreon (graphics, videos etc) on the way too 2020-09-14 07-49-35 PDT Martin Owens Good to know the scope of the project you're thinking about too, I think this is the first time I've seen the scale of the approval. 2020-05-05 11-32-36 PDT Martin Owens Always the way to do it. 2020-10-08 06-18-07 PDT Martin Owens Sure. What time is good for you guys? 2020-05-28 02-31-09 PDT Martin Owens Windows is the one thing that isn't automatic, Linux and Mac have builders. 2020-11-17 09-52-15 PST Martin Owens Such people listen to their friends, rather than their workers. It's all about networking. 2020-10-12 07-36-51 PDT Martin Owens Attempting to join now 2020-05-05 11-22-51 PDT Martin Owens Thanks Chris, this will be interesting. 2020-11-17 09-50-02 PST Martin Owens Management are so often blinded by new ways of doing things. Are they MBAs? 2019-12-24 09-06-29 PST Martin Owens Live path effects could be a way to do it, although the main developer of most of the LPEs is currently burned out. That has me be a bit cautious. Although removing the current connector tool completely would be interesting, I wonder if people would get mad. 2020-11-30 08-37-08 PST Martin Owens I'm not sure; I don't have a credit card clearing house, but I'm also not sure what banks think about this kind of transfer. 2020-04-28 08-43-43 PDT Martin Owens My title is "Senior Free Software Contractor, Boston", I've got a lot of experience with Inkscape and sit on the Inkscape board. But the contract is with me as a person, not Inkscape (which is a charity and so can't be contracted) 2020-12-01 09-24-31 PST Martin Owens Invoice to Synopsys? 2020-05-15 07-43-53 PDT Martin Owens @chrispitude The project wants to re-develop connectors to be a Live path effect 2020-05-15 07-43-58 PDT Martin Owens Like these 2020-10-12 07-35-00 PDT Martin Owens Hmm looks like the zimezone failed, it said 6:30am 2020-05-28 03-30-09 PDT Martin Owens And this instructional video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNykzg4Mxwo 2020-05-28 02-32-44 PDT Martin Owens The MR is mostly just internal Inkscape stuff, if you waited for that it could be another 3 years before you see the feature (and I see the end of the contract) better to get you a custom build you can test out and then be happy with. 2020-11-18 08-10-14 PST Martin Owens Right, I have jabiertxof (spain) on my side who can help out getting some of this delivered, we'll have to make sure we get the deliverables in order. 2020-04-28 07-41-43 PDT Martin Owens In the example video, it's attaching to the outer edge. 2020-05-15 07-44-32 PDT Martin Owens The idea is that in this framework the connectors would gain a lot from being "instantly" updated and much of the code for handling the line -redrawing would be taken care of. 2020-05-28 02-36-16 PDT Martin Owens No 2020-05-28 02-36-57 PDT Martin Owens The above merge request page links to this "pipeline" page https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/pipelines/146188056 on this pipeline page you see on the left hand side "Build" appimage / linux and mac. 2020-10-08 05-34-20 PDT Martin Owens The difference is that the company would get a shout out on the videos. 2020-05-15 07-43-55 PDT Martin Owens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jasNo_qF6Y4 2020-09-28 03-28-31 PDT Martin Owens This sounds like a plan and let me know if there are any details you need questions answered for. My wake times have changed and I'm usually awake between 4am and 4pm EST (I know, it's odd) 2020-05-24 12-26-00 PDT Martin Owens @chrispitude Have you been able to download and try the functionality in the merge request? (you might not know how to do this, let me know) https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/merge_requests/1994 2020-11-18 08-07-03 PST Martin Owens Right, remind me what the time was on the original proposal? 2020-11-17 10-03-46 PST Martin Owens Keep up the good work and thank you for working on our mutual behalf. 2020-05-28 02-41-43 PDT Martin Owens The creation part, it's a copy and paste type thing. I can make a video if you want. 2020-10-07 03-14-45 PDT Martin Owens Not entirely poinless, the work goes into the commons. 2020-05-28 02-37-59 PDT Martin Owens You use the artefacts (downloads) in the pipeline builds like this AppImage one https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/jobs/553345193/artifacts/browse 2020-05-28 02-40-23 PDT Martin Owens :thumbsup: do test the routing, I have a feeling in my waters it might be picking the wrong angle to start. 2020-09-14 07-52-29 PDT Martin Owens Assuming success; Do you think you and your company would be ok with a video interview, sort of going through what you're contracting for and how you were able to grapple with this kind of open source type contracting situation. 2020-11-18 08-15-20 PST Martin Owens Understood 2020-09-28 03-22-52 PDT Martin Owens That's somewhat expected. Considering the depth of the request, do you have a full specification? 2020-07-14 15-32-25 PDT Martin Owens That sounds positive. 2020-06-26 00-50-02 PDT Martin Owens But I think you'll like the movement fix. 2020-05-05 11-32-17 PDT Martin Owens We have no trust network and you'll notice I've not asked for references (and nor have yourselves ;-)) 2020-05-28 03-29-46 PDT Martin Owens You will need this svg file: https://inkscape.org/~doctormo/%E2%98%85symbols-creator 2020-05-28 03-57-40 PDT Martin Owens Turns out there are windows builds 2020-10-07 03-17-34 PDT Martin Owens The second is your org could organise a public fund raiser. Your goals are known, your budget is known and there are multiple companies that could pool their money into a single contract. This is fairly radical though as not many traditional companies have run kickstarters :-D 2020-10-07 03-14-07 PDT Martin Owens So often the way :rolling_eyes: is this the end of the road? 2021-01-04 09-53-10 PST Martin Owens @chrispitude We're still in a waiting pattern so far. (although good to get the holiday season out the way) 2021-01-08 10-08-43 PST Martin Owens Understood. My plan was to get back to you when we were in production mode, to make sure the details are correct. Although I'm confident enough in the big picture scope. 2021-03-25 08-06-18 PDT Martin Owens Not a sausage. 2021-03-25 08-06-44 PDT Martin Owens We should double check the payment details, do you know how they might have sent it? 2021-03-26 08-43-16 PDT Martin Owens Indeed 2021-03-26 08-42-46 PDT Martin Owens lol, I'm planning my schedule today. You're not the only company that decided to wait until end of march to kick off a project ;-) 2021-03-26 08-36-32 PDT Martin Owens It's just arrived, a cheque through the mail 2021-04-17 11-17-23 PDT Martin Owens Hi Chris. I've scheduled the work for after the 1.1 release, I had to do that because of the delay in all the payment stuff. Do you guys have a set of deadlines you're working to that I can schedule into? 2021-04-17 11-18-04 PDT Martin Owens I don't know if the videos I make would be helpful, I'm going to be reporting the work in those too. But happy to make specific updates via email, etc. 2021-04-17 11-25-13 PDT Martin Owens Great, I'll keep on the current tracks :-D I'm excited to start work on this. 2021-04-17 11-20-28 PDT Martin Owens The release is scheduled for the week of May 1st, let me know if you need to have work started before then. If so, I'll try and reschedule as best I can. 2021-04-17 11-26-04 PDT Martin Owens Oh and is it ok if I link to and or use the company logo/name to identify the people paying for the work? 2021-04-17 11-26-10 PDT Martin Owens (in the videos) 2021-04-17 11-51-01 PDT Martin Owens For reference, I'd put the logo and name in the place I currently say "PoliArt" https://youtu.be/Wevm-pw8wcA?t=26 2020-07-09 14-22-53 PDT Martin Owens 🍀 2019-12-23 09-41-31 PST Martin Owens The original design used a group and inside the group it had single point paths, these paths would create single point connections so long as the connector tool dug into the group. 2020-12-01 09-39-58 PST Martin Owens I can put it in the description of the work, but not the "who" part. Because Inkscape LLC is a 501.3c charity and paying me is not paying/donating to that etc. etc. 2020-05-05 10-33-32 PDT Martin Owens We should sign a short agreement to formalise it and pay whatever the upfront is. Then I work on it. 2020-03-29 15-36-28 PDT Martin Owens So a donation to Inkscape (the charity) would help in general move Inkscape forwards. But if you want specific work done, then the right thing to do is get a contractor (someone like me, but doesn't have to be me) to do the work on your behalf. This is a safer option because the project as a whole has it's own priorities and even if the contractor's work doesn't fit into Inkscape's project direction, you can still have the modified version with your own customisation. (freedom!) But hopefully it would also make it's way into Inkscape too. The best way to think of open source projects like Inkscape is as a specialised trade group. Different companies and individuals can come in and pay (or volunteer) to get specific stuff done. As example, if you want medicine, donating to to the The Red Cross is great, but won't get you medicine directly. 2020-05-04 07-49-31 PDT Martin Owens :thumbsup: 2020-03-29 15-31-02 PDT Martin Owens Hi, sorry for the delay. Let me refresh my memory... 2020-04-28 07-36-21 PDT Martin Owens Addendum: Good morning! 2020-11-18 08-13-56 PST Martin Owens Sounds good. 2020-05-28 03-59-18 PDT Martin Owens For example this windows build here: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/inkscape/inkscape/builds/32886325/job/s37arp... 2020-11-30 08-45-17 PST Martin Owens Cheques can work, are you able to issue cheques to spain if I get Jabiertxof involved? 2020-09-28 03-24-39 PDT Martin Owens Yes, that can help indigestion. 2020-05-05 11-45-05 PDT Martin Owens tbh I was up all night trying to stop the website downloads from melting down for Inkscape 1.0, *sigh* 2020-05-05 11-33-10 PDT Martin Owens Imagine a world where you could pick /anyone/ to fix a bug for you. 2020-10-07 03-19-17 PDT Martin Owens yes, https://patreon.com/doctormo 2020-05-05 11-31-55 PDT Martin Owens The amount is low, but it's also low risk. (for both of us) 2020-05-28 02-29-42 PDT Martin Owens Oh don't worry about it 2020-12-01 09-23-45 PST Martin Owens lol 2020-04-28 07-45-28 PDT Martin Owens I see it. I suspect that you need a fixed price rather than my hourly rate for this work. 2020-05-28 02-39-07 PDT Martin Owens This is my job. I'm a Free Software contractor in Boston. Most of my work is for Harvard and other local science labs and such. Some online stuff like this one. 2020-10-12 07-35-50 PDT Martin Owens Are you guys still online? 2020-04-28 07-41-27 PDT Martin Owens In visio, there are defined points on set shapes. 2020-11-18 08-14-12 PST Martin Owens Congratulations on your win. :-) 2020-06-30 23-52-37 PDT Martin Owens I sent you a reply via my new email address doctormo@geek-2.com let me know if it fails to get through or ends up in your spam. 2020-11-17 09-48-18 PST Martin Owens If you could review the text description in the mean time, that would be good. 2020-10-07 03-15-09 PDT Martin Owens You've got a couple of things you could do which might be "more radical" 2020-05-28 02-34-06 PDT Martin Owens It's a candidate yes, but you should test it. 2020-04-28 08-41-59 PDT Martin Owens 1- yes, multiple points per object, I won't change the center anchor. 2020-10-12 07-34-39 PDT Martin Owens hi 2020-05-28 02-35-11 PDT Martin Owens So if you have a linux machine, you don't need to build. 2020-05-28 02-57-22 PDT Martin Owens :-D 2020-05-28 02-38-17 PDT Martin Owens Oh don't worry about it. This is a small contract, I'm not going bust yet ;-) 2020-11-17 09-53-45 PST Martin Owens "Strategic micro-investment initiative" :-D 2020-10-07 03-16-19 PDT Martin Owens The first is, your company could become a patreon of mine for a very low cost. This wouldn't get you all work, but it would allow you to push me to fixing or implementing connector tools. This would be a "light touch" hedge. And I know a lot of management like a cheap hedge. 2020-12-15 08-58-02 PST Martin Owens Yeah we can wait. The system seems a bit corporate as they kept asking for company letter head :shrug: looks like it's on track now though 2020-05-28 02-29-58 PDT Martin Owens I just wanted to make sure you weren't waiting on me while I was waiting on you :-D 2020-04-28 07-54-42 PDT Martin Owens I DITn't, no 2020-06-26 00-49-22 PDT Martin Owens quick_peek_connector_improvements.gif (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/farrXXpb94EsFmNKB/quick_peek_connector...) 2020-07-14 15-32-31 PDT Martin Owens Thanks for keeping me in the loop 2020-04-28 07-36-09 PDT Martin Owens I understand completely. 2020-11-18 08-06-32 PST Martin Owens Wow 2020-05-05 11-31-37 PDT Martin Owens I suspected that to be the case. 2020-12-01 09-23-36 PST Martin Owens Sounds good, I'm going to make you an invoice now and ask my accountant, I think this means I'd have to eat the tax myself. 2020-05-28 03-59-33 PDT Martin Owens It's the 7z format, so extract it and run from where-ever 2020-06-23 06-37-34 PDT Martin Owens Morning! 2020-06-26 12-57-02 PDT Martin Owens I'd like to sign off on this work soon. Let me know if you need help testing the branch, it should be available from the merge request pipeline. 2020-05-14 14-52-30 PDT Martin Owens I've put together a draft merge request for the requested feature: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/merge_requests/1994 2020-06-23 10-58-56 PDT Martin Owens That's so weird. I know the x is hard to hit, I even miss it on the video. 2020-05-28 02-32-00 PDT Martin Owens Great. So your deliverable is a windows build? 2020-10-07 03-20-27 PDT Martin Owens May the wind be at your back! 2020-04-28 07-56-19 PDT Martin Owens I can put together a simple first time contract for $500 to implement the connectors as seen in the video I posted (but in the new Inkscape code, and probably done better). That would be, you'd be able to hand make stencils with custom connectors. But it wouldn't include a great deal of custom user interfacing. 2019-12-23 09-38-45 PST Martin Owens Hi Chris! Thanks for joining me here. 2020-04-28 07-38-45 PDT Martin Owens So I've lost track of the feature you need to be honest. 2020-06-26 06-34-32 PDT Chris Papademetrious I'm committed to Inkscape because I need something that (1) runs local and (2) saves natively in SVG, but we can certainly learn from others 2020-11-18 08-08-53 PST Chris Papademetrious then figure out how to put the $4000 to best use 2020-07-09 06-35-42 PDT Chris Papademetrious making a pitch for follow-up work to my manager's manager next tuesday - wish me luck! 2020-05-28 02-39-45 PDT Chris Papademetrious I'll give 'er a spin and let you know how it goes 2020-06-30 09-55-35 PDT Chris Papademetrious hopefully copying/pasting invisible thingies is not the final production solution for my team - I hope you're up to follow-up work to shine it up for production use :) 2019-12-24 05-35-17 PST Chris Papademetrious I see some basic LPE information here (https://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php?title=Creating_Live_Path_Effects), and this page (http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/Paths-LivePathEffects.html) mentions the data storage aspect that you might be able to use. 2020-04-28 08-44-46 PDT Chris Papademetrious thank you!! I'll get on this now 2020-06-23 16-02-39 PDT Chris Papademetrious That would definitely help. I was trying to watch for visual indicator changes but I'm new to Inkscape and maybe I wasn't getting it right. 2020-05-05 11-32-51 PDT Chris Papademetrious we've been at the mercy of vendors like Microsoft and Adobe for so long, dealing with the same bugs for YEARS upon years 2020-04-28 07-39-23 PDT Chris Papademetrious oh np! it's the Visio-like connection point capability of being able to create multiple user-defined connection points on an object 2020-11-17 09-47-28 PST Chris Papademetrious my management are being idiots, I'm having to fight for $600/year 2019-12-24 05-20-21 PST Chris Papademetrious Thank you!! I've always admired Inkscape as a powerful and thoughtfully designed open-source tool. Internally, we are evaluating a change to our authoring toolchain and this motivated me to see how I could bring Inkscape into the picture. 2020-12-01 09-23-39 PST Chris Papademetrious wait wait wait wait waiHURRY UP 2020-05-15 06-31-38 PDT Chris Papademetrious re: the LPE statement, what is the future refactoring project you mention? 2020-06-23 07-40-48 PDT Chris Papademetrious actually I can host a webex meeting through my company and share my desktop, might be easier 2020-11-30 08-47-47 PST Chris Papademetrious I'll follow up with you when I have an update on payments to spain and/or the detailed spec 2020-05-28 02-39-20 PDT Chris Papademetrious that's very cool 2020-11-18 08-11-54 PST Chris Papademetrious then we all have a referenceable functional spec 2020-11-18 08-08-45 PST Chris Papademetrious I'm not sure, we'll probably need to have a short call with desktop sharing and chat about what we need from a high level 2020-12-01 09-10-44 PST Chris Papademetrious It's your choice, we just need an invoice to send to purchasing that you're comfortable with. :) 2020-06-26 06-33-12 PDT Chris Papademetrious and the rectangular routing!! 2020-11-30 08-45-41 PST Chris Papademetrious I hope to update the enhancement issue to represent precisely what we need this week 2020-11-17 09-47-34 PST Chris Papademetrious stay tuned. 2020-06-28 06-44-39 PDT Chris Papademetrious awesome, I'll go grab it! agreed on closing on this when we can 2020-12-01 09-39-06 PST Chris Papademetrious is it too much to have "Inkscape" put in there somewhere? 2020-12-15 09-24-33 PST Chris Papademetrious Hi Martin, I have fully described the behaviors that we need here: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/-/issues/793 2020-09-28 03-23-14 PDT Chris Papademetrious pretty much this: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/-/issues/793 2020-10-08 05-50-27 PDT Chris Papademetrious this would be in place of continued Q/A in chat 2020-11-30 08-44-11 PST Chris Papademetrious maybe personal checks from me based on milestones? 2020-05-28 02-38-13 PDT Chris Papademetrious perfect 2020-12-01 09-40-23 PST Chris Papademetrious management will just see it as "Inkscape blah blah blah" 2020-05-05 11-22-58 PDT Chris Papademetrious it'll go out first thing tomorrow! and yes it will :) 2020-04-28 07-45-59 PDT Chris Papademetrious yes, and I'm afraid it's going to get me laughed out of my manager's manager's office but I need to try :) 2020-05-04 07-23-00 PDT Chris Papademetrious the proposal is being reviewed by my manager's manager now - I'll let you know when I have a response! 2020-04-28 07-56-02 PDT Chris Papademetrious DITA is an XML-based technical writing standard that has been around for 20 years, but is just (in the last 5 years) really starting to take over the technical writing industry 2020-05-15 06-29-12 PDT Chris Papademetrious very exciting to see signs of life, even if purely developmental at this point!! 2020-05-28 02-31-42 PDT Chris Papademetrious I have a linux box here at home, I can try it on there 2020-10-07 03-14-48 PDT Chris Papademetrious sorry to consume so much of your time :( 2020-05-28 02-37-04 PDT Chris Papademetrious oh!!! got it 2020-09-28 03-29-03 PDT Chris Papademetrious ok thanks :) 2020-05-05 11-23-53 PDT Chris Papademetrious and (2) I don't think it's enough $$$ for the work but I suspect it's something you want to see happen for the larger community 2020-11-18 08-14-20 PST Chris Papademetrious I am relieved!! 2020-05-28 02-38-32 PDT Chris Papademetrious is this your day job or just for fun? 2020-06-23 07-30-56 PDT Chris Papademetrious when I follow the video instructions using the windows build, my resulting symbol has the X point but the connector does not follow it 2020-09-28 03-23-39 PDT Chris Papademetrious it walks through the needed pieces of functionality 2020-10-08 05-16-34 PDT Chris Papademetrious 2. At the $50 and $100 levels, is there a rough timeframe where the connection point functionality might be completed? (very rough - a few months, a few years, etc.) 2020-11-18 08-11-32 PST Chris Papademetrious I can always edit that issue as needed to be our contract marching orders, then we mark it fixed for the community when the contract is complete 2020-11-18 08-06-33 PST Chris Papademetrious some folks recognized my name from the olden days (I've been here 20 years) 2020-12-01 09-25-45 PST Chris Papademetrious Synopsys, Inc. 690 East Middlefield Road Mountain View, CA 94043 650-584-5000 2020-05-28 02-29-44 PDT Chris Papademetrious I'm on Windows 10 so I'll need to get something runnable for that 2020-04-28 07-37-55 PDT Chris Papademetrious *raises sixth cup of coffee* 2020-10-07 03-18-58 PDT Chris Papademetrious do you have a patreon page? 2020-10-08 05-15-26 PDT Chris Papademetrious 1. Is there a quantitative difference between the $50 and $100 Patreon levels? 2020-10-12 07-31-11 PDT Chris Papademetrious the webex is just desktop sharing and a phone call 2020-12-01 09-38-17 PST Chris Papademetrious thank you!! 2020-10-08 05-50-20 PDT Chris Papademetrious would you be willing to have a 10-minute-ish call with me and two other folks in my company who want to see Inkscape happen? 2020-05-28 02-37-57 PDT Chris Papademetrious thank you!! and sorry you were waiting on me 2020-10-07 03-13-32 PDT Chris Papademetrious soooo all the managers agreed to move forward with the contract, then their director took it to his management, and they immediately shot it down due to cost 2020-05-05 11-25-43 PDT Chris Papademetrious regardless, I'm happy to do what I can to convince my company to invest in making inkscape better as a technical drawing tool 2020-11-18 08-15-01 PST Chris Papademetrious for now, the action is with me to update the issue to accurately reflect what's needed 2020-10-07 03-14-05 PDT Chris Papademetrious oh, and they told us to reduce our visio license to the bare miminum required (can someone please explain to them that visio licenses are perpetual with no maintenance and you don't "reduce" them?) 2020-05-28 02-40-23 PDT Chris Papademetrious is there a UI for it, or XML-level messing about? 2020-05-05 11-10-18 PDT Chris Papademetrious Do you want to send me something formal, or do you consider your previous email good enough? What form of payment do you prefer? 2020-11-30 08-45-50 PST Chris Papademetrious ooo I'll have to check 2020-10-07 03-20-07 PDT Chris Papademetrious this is promising, thank you! let me see what I can do with it 2020-09-14 06-27-43 PDT Chris Papademetrious still waiting for approval for the $4k from way up the management chain - the big wheels turn the slowest! 2020-10-07 03-14-42 PDT Chris Papademetrious I will keep pushing internally, I am beyond frustrated, but I can only do what I can do 2020-04-28 08-28-14 PDT Chris Papademetrious to clarify two details, 1- this means multiple user-defined points per object, not a single user-defined point? and 2 - by pre-created objects, is this ONLY for template shapes, or can it be used on new shapes drawn by the user in the SVG? 2020-12-01 08-58-08 PST Chris Papademetrious 1. Corporate will be cutting checks to you for the contract work. They can't pay another person (in another country or not), so you would need to Paypal/etc. Jabiertxof from what you receive. 2020-04-28 07-34-54 PDT Chris Papademetrious Before I broach this topic with my management, can you give me an idea of the amount I'd need to ask for - let's say, if I was going to ask you to implement this? 2020-11-17 09-50-38 PST Chris Papademetrious yep, they're laser-focused on operating margins and stock price 2020-12-01 09-24-46 PST Chris Papademetrious yes, let me get the name and full address, hang on 2020-12-15 08-27-03 PST Chris Papademetrious My manager says it might take some time to add you as a vendor, and wanted to know if you preferred earlier payment via corporate credit card through Venmo or Cashapp? 2020-04-28 08-26-27 PDT Chris Papademetrious thank you! I will get this going today 2020-10-07 03-20-37 PDT Chris Papademetrious amen to that 2020-12-15 09-25-44 PST Chris Papademetrious Do you want me to try, or would you rather implement this according to how you feel it best integrates into the Inkscape authoring environment and underlying code structure? 2020-06-23 06-37-08 PDT Chris Papademetrious sorry I'm slammed, gonna work on this right now. 2020-11-30 08-01-43 PST Chris Papademetrious is it possible to pay you via corporate credit card? 2020-11-18 08-06-14 PST Chris Papademetrious so apparently they approved the $4000 after my displeasure worked its way up through management 2020-04-28 08-43-20 PDT Chris Papademetrious XML editing is how I'll have to do it for my own template shapes? 2020-05-28 02-29-12 PDT Chris Papademetrious I don't know but I will try! Sorry, we're in the middle of a release and things are nuts here. 2020-06-23 08-46-49 PDT Chris Papademetrious well that stinks, there's two linux build artifacts listed under the pull request, and they both fail when I attempt to run them 2020-10-07 03-17-01 PDT Chris Papademetrious it also might make them feel like they've negotiated for a better value 2020-12-01 09-03-34 PST Chris Papademetrious So what I need is an invoice for the $4000. It does not need to be detailed with timelines and such, but just to cover ourselves, Here is how you originally allocated it in July:

* Creator - $1,500 * Multi-jog - $1,000 * Humps (line avoid deformations) - $1,500 2020-10-08 05-14-36 PDT Chris Papademetrious some questions from my management: 2020-06-26 06-34-06 PDT Chris Papademetrious have you seen this before? pretty impressive for this type of work: https://app.diagrams.net/ 2020-12-15 09-25-10 PST Chris Papademetrious I am not familiar enough with Inkscape to know how to "fit" this into the existing Inkscape UI 2020-12-01 09-40-38 PST Chris Papademetrious just want to make sure the one word they're looking for is there 2020-05-28 02-33-43 PDT Chris Papademetrious is the PR above the final deliverable code state for the contract? 2020-04-28 08-28-32 PDT Chris Papademetrious (I don't know Inkscape's template/object features well enough to know this intuitively) 2020-04-28 07-42-36 PDT Chris Papademetrious with a link to a detailed enhancement request: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/-/issues/793 2020-04-28 08-43-41 PDT Chris Papademetrious (this is okay for a first installment, I'm rolling all this out and I'm able to do that) 2020-11-17 09-52-59 PST Chris Papademetrious I'm spending some of my hard-earned reputation to get my wish 2020-04-28 07-42-14 PDT Chris Papademetrious link here: https://inkscape.org/forums/beyond/does-anyone-else-want-visio-like-connecti... 2019-12-23 17-19-44 PST Chris Papademetrious I will need to learn how Inkscape handles right-angle connectors so I can be more helpful here. 2020-05-28 02-35-47 PDT Chris Papademetrious so clone the PR branch and follow the instructions? 2020-06-23 16-06-04 PDT Chris Papademetrious it's no problem, you've waited on me for quite a bit! 2020-05-28 02-39-59 PDT Chris Papademetrious OH - how do I create symbols with multiple connection points? 2019-12-24 05-22-47 PST Chris Papademetrious In the Attach Path LPE video (https://framadrive.org/s/MYoPQq2zPyUcbq0), the internal functionality of attaching a path to shape nodes is promising, but the user interface of creating a path then attaching it with copy/click gymnastics is not workable. In addition, I can't get the connector to stay right-angled when I move the shape around; the ends insist on doing curvy things. Nevertheless, is this LPE infrastructure one that we can use to store and recalculate the connectors? 2020-03-29 07-22-30 PDT Chris Papademetrious if I'm able to get my manager to approve a donation of some amount, would that help move this feature forward? 2020-05-28 02-32-05 PDT Chris Papademetrious yes 2020-12-15 08-59-07 PST Chris Papademetrious awesome 2020-05-28 02-34-56 PDT Chris Papademetrious okay, so I'll try to figure out how to build and test it on linux and provide you feedback 2020-06-23 08-56-08 PDT Chris Papademetrious which makes no sense since it's an AppImage and should have all dependencies 2020-12-15 08-27-28 PST Chris Papademetrious My gut tells me that you'd rather wait and get a full-price check, rather than a credit card payment with a percentage fee removed, but I figured I'd check 2020-05-07 08-59-51 PDT Chris Papademetrious check goes out today, darn kids stole my pen from my home office and it took me two days to find it! 2020-07-14 15-21-04 PDT Chris Papademetrious presentation went well today, he asked me to make business cost/benefit/risk slides and present to the next level up, that will happen next week 2020-11-17 09-49-22 PST Chris Papademetrious I'd be more than happy to do so! 2020-12-01 08-58-52 PST Chris Papademetrious 2. They have asked to be invoiced in the next 1-2 days, so they can pull it into this fiscal year's budget (which is very good, that leaves the door open next year for more work!). 2020-10-09 11-06-00 PDT Chris Papademetrious you should have an Outlook proposal at doctormo@geek-2.com, in case it does 2020-05-05 11-35-42 PDT Chris Papademetrious thanks for helping to make this happen 2020-12-01 08-57-20 PST Chris Papademetrious Hi Martin! I have some news... 2020-12-01 09-51-54 PST Chris Papademetrious perfect! 2021-01-08 10-06-44 PST Chris Papademetrious ok cool! just want to make sure the spec is clear, no further detail needed, etc. 2021-03-03 07-36-49 PST Chris Papademetrious hoping you get a check soon! 2021-03-25 06-02-12 PDT Chris Papademetrious Please tell me you've received payment by now? 2021-03-25 15-54-24 PDT Chris Papademetrious I will find out. 2021-03-26 08-43-08 PDT Chris Papademetrious When it rains, it pours?? 2021-03-26 08-39-15 PDT Chris Papademetrious Oh hooray!! I was just about to go off on a rant. :) 2021-03-26 08-39-31 PDT Chris Papademetrious Think you can have it done by Monday? 2021-03-26 08-39-43 PDT Chris Papademetrious (I kid, I kid!) 2021-04-17 11-00-16 PDT Chris Papademetrious My boss said I need to start reporting status back to management. 2021-04-17 11-00-20 PDT Chris Papademetrious So how does this work? :) 2021-04-17 11-23-46 PDT Chris Papademetrious I can provide links to them, and also summarize from a high level 2021-04-17 11-23-58 PDT Chris Papademetrious After May 1 is totally fine 2021-04-17 11-23-21 PDT Chris Papademetrious No set deadlines on our end 2021-04-17 11-23-33 PDT Chris Papademetrious In fact, the videos would be perfect for my management! 2021-04-17 11-29-14 PDT Chris Papademetrious I think so, but I will confirm 2021-04-17 11-32-01 PDT Chris Papademetrious I'll let you know by Monday. Thank you!! 2021-04-17 11-32-42 PDT Chris Papademetrious This is exciting for us too! Schematic work and technical drawings could be a very significant new area for Inkscape. 2020-11-18 08-15-09 PST Chris Papademetrious then we can meet to discuss 2020-10-12 07-31-14 PDT Chris Papademetrious we're on now 2020-09-28 03-26-51 PDT Chris Papademetrious I'll let you know how it goes, we'll probably need to write up something more formal and I can give a draft of that if you want 2020-06-23 07-31-12 PDT Chris Papademetrious if I copy and paste your example symbol with the same X point, the connector successfully follows the shape 2020-05-28 02-34-06 PDT Chris Papademetrious if so, does it support right-angled "route" connectors or just straight connectors? 2020-04-28 07-46-41 PDT Chris Papademetrious I would really like to see Inkscape find a place in the DITA technical writing community (not sure if you've heard of DITA before) 2020-05-28 02-36-55 PDT Chris Papademetrious speak slowly and use small words 2019-12-23 17-19-10 PST Chris Papademetrious My expectation would be that other tools render whatever the last state of the connector was in Inkscape. 2020-06-26 06-32-58 PDT Chris Papademetrious oooo I really like the fast update!! 2020-04-28 07-35-39 PDT Chris Papademetrious My management is ridiculously and distressingly unwilling to spend money, but I might be able to make the case for it. 2021-01-04 05-28-56 PST Chris Papademetrious Hi Martin! Is there anything I can do to help, or are you waiting for my company's payment to play out? 2020-04-28 08-45-47 PDT Chris Papademetrious I'm Chris Papademetrious, Allentown PA, technical writer and semiconductor product engineer 2020-06-23 08-55-55 PDT Chris Papademetrious Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" 2020-05-07 09-00-03 PDT Chris Papademetrious it was mixed in with their crayons, I guess I ought to buy more pens 2020-05-05 11-23-35 PDT Chris Papademetrious between you and me, (1) my management would not have gone for this if it were more $$$ 2020-05-05 11-20-38 PDT Chris Papademetrious I'm happy to just paypal or send a check for $100, if that works for you 2020-11-30 08-46-48 PST Chris Papademetrious aww dang :) 2020-10-12 07-36-16 PDT Chris Papademetrious yep! just started 2020-12-01 09-40-10 PST Chris Papademetrious understood, description is all that's needed 2020-09-28 03-22-15 PDT Chris Papademetrious sooo now I am getting pushback at the cost and the risk of not getting a fully suitable solution 2020-06-23 07-31-28 PDT Chris Papademetrious do you have a windows machine handy to try it? 2019-12-23 17-18-17 PST Chris Papademetrious I know almost nothing about Inkscape, so it's hard for me to suggest much. From what I understand, this LPE infrastructure allows you to store the LPE data in the Inkscape namespace where it's *not* a part of the SVG drawing itself, but then Inkscape renders the resulting path in the SVG drawing. We will eventually need to support connections with one or more 90-degree turns; does this dictate the use of a particular data structure from the beginning? 2020-05-05 11-34-15 PDT Chris Papademetrious exactly! so I think this will be a pretty good experience 2019-12-23 06-42-18 PST Chris Papademetrious The fact that Inkscape stores its data within the SVG file in its own namespace is a tremendous plus for technical drawing. Technical content is invariably under strict revision control, and having the source drawing document also be the output image file is highly valuable. 2020-12-01 09-10-11 PST Chris Papademetrious We can also note one or more of the functionality pieces from the enhancement request (https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/-/issues/793) 2020-05-05 11-11-55 PDT Chris Papademetrious you tell me how you want it to work, this is my first time :) 2020-09-28 03-24-24 PDT Chris Papademetrious I might be able to assuage that concern with a pay-as-we-go contract for each piece 2020-05-05 10-04-04 PDT Chris Papademetrious Good news - I obtained approval! How do we proceed? 2020-06-23 07-40-52 PDT Chris Papademetrious I'll try the linux build 2020-05-28 02-31-02 PDT Chris Papademetrious oh okay!! I figured the PR was going through some elaborate review process and I'll just need to let it happen 2020-05-28 02-42-05 PDT Chris Papademetrious yes please :( 2020-11-18 08-06-40 PST Chris Papademetrious which means now we have to deliver :) 2020-04-28 08-00-08 PDT Chris Papademetrious Yes please, could you do that? You can email it to chrispy@synopsys.com and I'll pitch it to my management. 2020-11-17 09-55-20 PST Chris Papademetrious sigh. 2020-05-05 11-32-23 PDT Chris Papademetrious I'm also hoping it encourages the mindset for them to invest in improvements like this 2020-06-08 07-03-18 PDT Chris Papademetrious hey sorry for the delay - we just had a quarterly doc release go out so I've been buried in that! I have to do some branch cleanup today (I'm the owner) and then I'll get to testing the build! 2020-10-07 03-15-23 PDT Chris Papademetrious I'm all ears 2019-12-23 06-39-40 PST Chris Papademetrious Hi Martin, it's Chris! I'm happy to see interest in Visio-like connector capability, and I'm appreciative that you're taking the time to discuss it. On my side, I will start learning about Inkscape so I better understand how it's used for technical drawings. (I'm proficient with Visio but new to Inkscape.)

I think the functionality you showed in your prototype (adding connection points and connecting to them) would be quite an excellent first step, if that's not too big a piece. 2020-10-08 05-51-04 PDT Chris Papademetrious we would converge faster and be better informed via voice 2020-10-07 03-14-26 PDT Chris Papademetrious unfortunately yes, which also means the $500 they spent was pointless, but such is life 2020-05-05 11-35-56 PDT Chris Papademetrious and I need to stop talking to you because I've probably used up about $100 worth of your time by now :) 2020-06-23 08-56-25 PDT Chris Papademetrious $ ./Inkscape-ebe2ff6-x86_64.AppImage Run experimental bundle that bundles everything

** (process:4493): WARNING **: 11:55:43.279: Units file /../../share/inkscape/ui/units.xml is missing: Failed to open file ?/../../share/inkscape/ui/units.xml?: No such file or directory

Gtk-Message: 11:55:43.399: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" Gtk-Message: 11:55:43.402: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" Wrong __data_start/_end pair Aborted (core dumped) 2020-12-15 09-26-07 PST Chris Papademetrious I would prefer you implement what is best, as long as the functionality pieces are all available in some form. 2019-12-23 17-22-41 PST Chris Papademetrious Hah, I started reading up on right-angle connectors and look what all the comments are about!! https://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Connector_tool_tutorial 2020-05-28 02-42-20 PDT Chris Papademetrious otherwise you'll spend more time answering chat questions than making the video 2020-10-09 10-35-04 PDT Chris Papademetrious does Monday Oct 12 at 10:30am EDT work for you? 2020-11-18 08-10-53 PST Chris Papademetrious np, I can spec out needed functionality and whatnot, much of it exists in the enhancement issue with animated GIFs already 2020-10-08 06-22-32 PDT Chris Papademetrious I'll check and let you know, not today :) 2020-09-28 03-27-19 PDT Chris Papademetrious stay tuned...! 2020-05-28 02-37-08 PDT Chris Papademetrious will test and let you know :) 2020-06-30 09-54-10 PDT Chris Papademetrious nightly build looks great! I just sent you an email to close and get you paid 2020-12-15 08-59-18 PST Chris Papademetrious I'm adding some detail to the gitlab enhancement request today 2020-04-28 08-36-37 PDT Chris Papademetrious a third question - is it correct to characterize you as "one of the developers of Inkscape" to my management, to ease any fear of risk they might have? 2020-06-23 12-23-31 PDT Chris Papademetrious I'll give it another shot in Windows. 2020-11-17 09-49-16 PST Chris Papademetrious I told my manager that if my company wasn't willing to invest $600 into our group's future, then why should I invest an additional 10-20 hours of my own time each week (beyond the usual 40)?