2020-04-26 03-09-48 PDT Martin Owens @windell.oskay i completely understand though. Peer moderation is an important tool. 2020-04-26 03-13-24 PDT Martin Owens @Mc i agree, the responses where terrible. 2020-04-26 03-09-13 PDT Martin Owens @c.rogers if you want to do mediation. I think that would be good. 2020-04-26 03-11-41 PDT Martin Owens @c.rogers one thing you may need to contend with is getting appologies from everyone (if even willing to) and somehow get grey to not violet the coc when angry. 2020-04-26 03-14-52 PDT Martin Owens So the only question is if its worth investing time 2020-04-26 03-08-32 PDT Martin Owens @Mc you are invited too 2020-04-26 03-25-30 PDT Martin Owens Teeth gritting os the hardest man! 2020-04-26 03-15-58 PDT Martin Owens @Mc i dont understand. 2020-04-26 03-09-58 PDT Martin Owens Meadiation 2020-04-26 03-19-54 PDT Mc (btw, my pm with xxcoder: ) 11:12 that's ok, no need to answer 11:13 didnt plan to say more lol 2020-04-26 03-12-37 PDT Mc it's ok to post once "Progress ??" on the bugtracker if you're not aware it can be rude, it's not ok to ignore and belittle people who tell you that it could be / is rude, and even worse to insult them in a sexist way 2020-04-26 03-15-27 PDT Mc XXcoder answered "good bye assholes" with a "please join in covid freedom protests", while I agree that it would have been better to not answer I don't think it as disproportionate 2020-04-26 03-09-20 PDT Mc +1 2020-04-26 03-17-52 PDT Mc "I will have to be even about it and get CoderXX to apologise too." -> one was a clear insult, the other was just a "please go away" (note that i'm not really neutral in this, you don't have to agree with me :p ) 2020-04-26 03-10-25 PDT Mc you can do meditation too if you want to 2020-04-26 03-14-04 PDT C.Rogers But yes. Clear violations. I don't really bring up the CoC 2020-04-26 03-11-36 PDT C.Rogers moderation, mediation, meditation. 2020-04-26 03-34-41 PDT C.Rogers That's basically the end of my monologue. :) 2020-04-26 03-41-43 PDT C.Rogers I might for example, have a laugh about some bugs that I'm still wanting to have fixed. 2020-04-26 03-27-24 PDT C.Rogers That's also why I don't want to ask for or demand appologies. 2020-04-26 03-13-30 PDT C.Rogers Yes, but many people don't think about being sexist when they are upset. 2020-04-26 03-40-58 PDT C.Rogers Then start relating. Showing how frustrations are shared by everyone int he group about the very same things they are frustrated about. 2020-04-26 03-36-17 PDT C.Rogers (if they are a man, of course). :) 2020-04-26 03-27-55 PDT C.Rogers I may suggest that after I see signs of remorse. 2020-04-26 03-42-50 PDT C.Rogers But I'll relate it to my gripes, not theirs. 2020-04-26 03-23-27 PDT C.Rogers Some teeth gritting may be necessary, but a conversation on the side goes a long way. 2020-04-26 03-29-12 PDT C.Rogers One of the deep issues with CoC is that people love a show, and it should never ever be made into one. 2020-04-26 03-46-30 PDT C.Rogers Anyway, that's my approach. 2020-04-26 03-18-02 PDT C.Rogers Apologies will follow naturally if I'm succesful in making greytomorrow feel like part of the group agian. 2020-04-26 03-19-33 PDT C.Rogers People don't need to be told to go away. That's not what we're about. 2020-04-26 03-36-45 PDT C.Rogers Then I just wait. 2020-04-26 03-22-09 PDT C.Rogers Anything said to escalate (no matter how tempting or satisfying in the moment) is not what we should do. 2020-04-26 03-09-33 PDT C.Rogers meditation? haha 2020-04-26 03-25-24 PDT C.Rogers The best outcome is corrected behaviour. Can't do it while upset. 2020-04-26 03-13-36 PDT C.Rogers Or racist, or whatever. 2020-04-26 03-17-06 PDT C.Rogers I'm tempted not to ask for appologies. 2020-04-26 03-28-21 PDT C.Rogers As a cure for that "man, I hope we can all be friends again" sour stomach feeling. 2020-04-26 03-19-43 PDT C.Rogers Besides, that never works. lol 2020-04-26 03-11-04 PDT C.Rogers Ah there, yes. 2020-04-26 03-19-58 PDT C.Rogers Or at least not in the way we want it to. 2020-04-26 03-34-54 PDT C.Rogers concerns? 2020-04-26 03-43-34 PDT C.Rogers I find that the basic fundamental problems are shared by all of us. 2020-04-26 03-14-42 PDT C.Rogers It's not usually necessary if you can relate to people, show them they are supported, make them feel like part of the community again, better behaviour follows. 2020-04-26 03-10-21 PDT C.Rogers Man, I need my glasses hold on. 2020-04-26 03-18-33 PDT C.Rogers "please go away and potentially die" more like it. 2020-04-26 03-12-34 PDT C.Rogers [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/private_coc?msg=fbe7f9db-8bdc-4b05-be77-2e...) @doctormo Yes, though in doing so, I will have to be even about it and get CoderXX to apologise too. () 2020-04-26 03-42-33 PDT C.Rogers And then speak up about how hard everyone works to fix things. 2020-04-26 03-16-13 PDT C.Rogers the CoC does not allow for proportional escalation. 2020-04-26 03-15-50 PDT C.Rogers It's not about "proportionality". 2020-04-26 03-47-50 PDT C.Rogers It's not at all easy, but it's the best way I've found to pull folks back and make them feel like part of the community. 2020-04-26 03-20-14 PDT C.Rogers Yea, it's good to stop. lol 2020-04-26 03-30-18 PDT C.Rogers Basically, I don't want anyone to feel hard done by. That's a particularly long lasting feeling, and saps motivation to do things together. 2020-04-26 03-34-50 PDT C.Rogers Any questions? ;) 2020-04-26 03-15-26 PDT C.Rogers Well, it's probably worth a shot. Esp if the alternative is banning. ;P 2020-04-26 03-09-46 PDT C.Rogers Am I too worked up to handle this? ;) 2020-04-26 03-39-13 PDT C.Rogers Rant, rave, get it all out. 2020-04-26 03-10-10 PDT C.Rogers Oh, mediation. 2020-04-26 03-29-33 PDT C.Rogers This is why CoC is a dirty word to a lot of people. 2020-04-26 03-36-02 PDT C.Rogers This is how I always start moderation: "Hey man, you okay?" 2020-04-26 03-25-31 PDT C.Rogers It's simply not possible. 2020-04-26 03-48-41 PDT C.Rogers CoderXX seems okay, but I can reach out to them too if anyone thinks they are upset still. 2020-04-26 03-11-09 PDT C.Rogers Mediation. 2020-04-26 03-44-52 PDT C.Rogers So addressing those in terms of how our tight knit community responds to those problems can be motivating and educating all at the same time. 2020-04-26 03-21-17 PDT C.Rogers We want people to correct bad behaviour. Re-establishment of a connection must be made first. 2020-04-26 03-39-06 PDT C.Rogers If they are still interested in talking it out, they will. I will let them say whatever they want. 2020-04-26 03-09-12 PDT Windell Oskay Hi -- Sorry for potentially overstepping my bounds. 2020-05-19 11-19-39 PDT Martin Owens Private Group (room_changed_privacy) 2020-05-19 11-18-54 PDT Martin Owens User windell.oskay removed by doctormo. 2020-04-26 03-08-33 PDT Mc Has joined the channel.