[REFERENDUM] Move inkscape-board mailing list from SourceForge to Launchpad
A majority vote of the current board members is required for this matter.
Proposal:
Move the email list for the Inkscape Board of Directors from SourceForge to Launchpad.
[ ] a. Yes, move inkscape-board@ to Launchpad [ ] b. No, keep list on SourceForge
Regardless of this vote, all other mailing lists will remain unchanged.
Background:
All Inkscape mailing lists are currently hosted from SourceForge, for historical reasons. When Inkscape was founded we used SourceForge for all source control, bug tracking, mailing lists, etc.
Since that time we've moved off SourceForge to Launchpad for the first two items, but not the last.
The mailing list archives are important for board matters both to locate past decisions, and for facilitating general transparency into our work. Both SourceForge and Launchpad have their own web interface for viewing list archives, but SourceForge's implementation is clunky and limited compared with Launchpad's.
Launchpad also provides a more integrated way of managing your mailing list subscriptions compared with SourceForge.
Mailing lists hosted at SourceForge have a textual advertisement appended to them, whereas Launchpad does not. This is minor, but it does result in our archived emails looking more tidy and professional.
Another benefit of moving is that the board would be able to handle all list administration. Currently, the SourceForge admin team does list administration. Presently this is a trivially small benefit, since we tend not to require any administration work, and since several board members are also SourceForge team administrators.
A limitation of Launchpad is that it permits only a single mailing list per team. However, for the board this is not a hinderance since we only have a single mailing list. If a second list is needed, we can always just establish a subteam.
b
In general I'm strongly against the Launchpad mailing list system, including lack of configurability, poor subscription management, hard requirements for a Launchpad account, etc.
On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:00 AM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
A majority vote of the current board members is required for this matter.
Proposal:
Move the email list for the Inkscape Board of Directors from SourceForge to Launchpad.
[ ] a. Yes, move inkscape-board@ to Launchpad [ ] b. No, keep list on SourceForge
Regardless of this vote, all other mailing lists will remain unchanged.
Background:
All Inkscape mailing lists are currently hosted from SourceForge, for historical reasons. When Inkscape was founded we used SourceForge for all source control, bug tracking, mailing lists, etc.
Since that time we've moved off SourceForge to Launchpad for the first two items, but not the last.
The mailing list archives are important for board matters both to locate past decisions, and for facilitating general transparency into our work. Both SourceForge and Launchpad have their own web interface for viewing list archives, but SourceForge's implementation is clunky and limited compared with Launchpad's.
Launchpad also provides a more integrated way of managing your mailing list subscriptions compared with SourceForge.
Mailing lists hosted at SourceForge have a textual advertisement appended to them, whereas Launchpad does not. This is minor, but it does result in our archived emails looking more tidy and professional.
Another benefit of moving is that the board would be able to handle all list administration. Currently, the SourceForge admin team does list administration. Presently this is a trivially small benefit, since we tend not to require any administration work, and since several board members are also SourceForge team administrators.
A limitation of Launchpad is that it permits only a single mailing list per team. However, for the board this is not a hinderance since we only have a single mailing list. If a second list is needed, we can always just establish a subteam.
Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.cl... _______________________________________________ Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
On 24-2-2014 17:18, Jon Cruz wrote:
b
In general I'm strongly against the Launchpad mailing list system, including lack of configurability, poor subscription management, hard requirements for a Launchpad account, etc.
The hard requirement for a Launchpad account should certainly already be met by the board members. ;)
Is it possible to have a Launchpad maillist send mail to a different address than the bugmail?
On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:00 AM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
A majority vote of the current board members is required for this matter.
Proposal:
Move the email list for the Inkscape Board of Directors from SourceForge to Launchpad.
[ ] a. Yes, move inkscape-board@ to Launchpad [ ] b. No, keep list on SourceForge
Regardless of this vote, all other mailing lists will remain unchanged.
Background:
All Inkscape mailing lists are currently hosted from SourceForge, for historical reasons. When Inkscape was founded we used SourceForge for all source control, bug tracking, mailing lists, etc.
Since that time we've moved off SourceForge to Launchpad for the first two items, but not the last.
The mailing list archives are important for board matters both to locate past decisions, and for facilitating general transparency into our work. Both SourceForge and Launchpad have their own web interface for viewing list archives, but SourceForge's implementation is clunky and limited compared with Launchpad's.
Launchpad also provides a more integrated way of managing your mailing list subscriptions compared with SourceForge.
Mailing lists hosted at SourceForge have a textual advertisement appended to them, whereas Launchpad does not. This is minor, but it does result in our archived emails looking more tidy and professional.
Another benefit of moving is that the board would be able to handle all list administration. Currently, the SourceForge admin team does list administration. Presently this is a trivially small benefit, since we tend not to require any administration work, and since several board members are also SourceForge team administrators.
A limitation of Launchpad is that it permits only a single mailing list per team. However, for the board this is not a hinderance since we only have a single mailing list. If a second list is needed, we can always just establish a subteam.
Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.cl... _______________________________________________ Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.cl... _______________________________________________ Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 07:40:04PM +0100, Johan Engelen wrote:
On 24-2-2014 17:18, Jon Cruz wrote:
b
In general I'm strongly against the Launchpad mailing list system, including lack of configurability, poor subscription management, hard requirements for a Launchpad account, etc.
The hard requirement for a Launchpad account should certainly already be met by the board members. ;)
Is it possible to have a Launchpad maillist send mail to a different address than the bugmail?
Not sure what you mean here? Do you mean forward bugmail to a mailing list not managed by launchpad?
On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:00 AM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
A majority vote of the current board members is required for this matter.
Proposal:
Move the email list for the Inkscape Board of Directors from SourceForge to Launchpad.
[ ] a. Yes, move inkscape-board@ to Launchpad [ ] b. No, keep list on SourceForge
Regardless of this vote, all other mailing lists will remain unchanged.
Background:
All Inkscape mailing lists are currently hosted from SourceForge, for historical reasons. When Inkscape was founded we used SourceForge for all source control, bug tracking, mailing lists, etc.
Since that time we've moved off SourceForge to Launchpad for the first two items, but not the last.
The mailing list archives are important for board matters both to locate past decisions, and for facilitating general transparency into our work. Both SourceForge and Launchpad have their own web interface for viewing list archives, but SourceForge's implementation is clunky and limited compared with Launchpad's.
Launchpad also provides a more integrated way of managing your mailing list subscriptions compared with SourceForge.
Mailing lists hosted at SourceForge have a textual advertisement appended to them, whereas Launchpad does not. This is minor, but it does result in our archived emails looking more tidy and professional.
Another benefit of moving is that the board would be able to handle all list administration. Currently, the SourceForge admin team does list administration. Presently this is a trivially small benefit, since we tend not to require any administration work, and since several board members are also SourceForge team administrators.
A limitation of Launchpad is that it permits only a single mailing list per team. However, for the board this is not a hinderance since we only have a single mailing list. If a second list is needed, we can always just establish a subteam.
Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.cl... _______________________________________________ Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.cl... _______________________________________________ Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.cl... _______________________________________________ Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 08:18:28AM -0800, Jon Cruz wrote:
b
In general I'm strongly against the Launchpad mailing list system, including lack of configurability, poor subscription management, hard requirements for a Launchpad account, etc.
I've not actually found any particular problems with configuration of the lists on launchpad, and to be honest our configuration needs for the board list are fairly basic. Not sure on subscription management; I haven't run into troubles myself.
But it is certainly true that Launchpad's mailman implementation is pretty heavily modded from default, and I can see that there might be some dislike.
My main frustration is that I *often* need to link our official decisions on matters in emails to people, or to announce them to the Inkscape community. But SourceForge doesn't break out individual emails, so I have to post links to our entire discussion threads. I feel this looks unprofessional, is potentially confusing, and for some readers provides just Too Much Information. Pretty much any mailing list system out there will solve my needs better than SourceForge. Launchpad is (IMHO) the simplest switch we could make; it'd be pretty much push-button. And really the only solution I'd consider doing separately from the other inkscape mailing lists.
At some point I'd like to migrate all of the inkscape-* mailing lists off of SourceForge, and not to Launchpad, but to something much closer to stock mailman. I haven't thought much about what that'd be, and honestly don't want to think about it until post-release; maybe a year from now.
So, if anyone is unsure about moving to Launchpad in the near term, and think it would be better to hold off and just migrate if and when we migrate all the lists, please go ahead and vote b and we can leave things as-is for now, and I'll figure out some other way to make our votes look more formal and official.
On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:00 AM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
A majority vote of the current board members is required for this matter.
Proposal:
Move the email list for the Inkscape Board of Directors from SourceForge to Launchpad.
[ ] a. Yes, move inkscape-board@ to Launchpad [ ] b. No, keep list on SourceForge
Regardless of this vote, all other mailing lists will remain unchanged.
Background:
All Inkscape mailing lists are currently hosted from SourceForge, for historical reasons. When Inkscape was founded we used SourceForge for all source control, bug tracking, mailing lists, etc.
Since that time we've moved off SourceForge to Launchpad for the first two items, but not the last.
The mailing list archives are important for board matters both to locate past decisions, and for facilitating general transparency into our work. Both SourceForge and Launchpad have their own web interface for viewing list archives, but SourceForge's implementation is clunky and limited compared with Launchpad's.
Launchpad also provides a more integrated way of managing your mailing list subscriptions compared with SourceForge.
Mailing lists hosted at SourceForge have a textual advertisement appended to them, whereas Launchpad does not. This is minor, but it does result in our archived emails looking more tidy and professional.
Another benefit of moving is that the board would be able to handle all list administration. Currently, the SourceForge admin team does list administration. Presently this is a trivially small benefit, since we tend not to require any administration work, and since several board members are also SourceForge team administrators.
A limitation of Launchpad is that it permits only a single mailing list per team. However, for the board this is not a hinderance since we only have a single mailing list. If a second list is needed, we can always just establish a subteam.
Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.cl... _______________________________________________ Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
a. I'm not particular on Launchpad, but I really dislike SF mailing lists.
To change which mailing list goes to what address (or if you get mail for it at all) you can go to this Launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/~/+editemails
For me the biggest advantage of Launchpad's customizations is that I can mail a mailing list with any address that LP knows about, so if I screw up, my mail doesn't get bounced.
Ted
On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 00:00 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
A majority vote of the current board members is required for this matter.
Proposal:
Move the email list for the Inkscape Board of Directors from SourceForge to Launchpad.
[ ] a. Yes, move inkscape-board@ to Launchpad [ ] b. No, keep list on SourceForge
Regardless of this vote, all other mailing lists will remain unchanged.
Background:
All Inkscape mailing lists are currently hosted from SourceForge, for historical reasons. When Inkscape was founded we used SourceForge for all source control, bug tracking, mailing lists, etc.
Since that time we've moved off SourceForge to Launchpad for the first two items, but not the last.
The mailing list archives are important for board matters both to locate past decisions, and for facilitating general transparency into our work. Both SourceForge and Launchpad have their own web interface for viewing list archives, but SourceForge's implementation is clunky and limited compared with Launchpad's.
Launchpad also provides a more integrated way of managing your mailing list subscriptions compared with SourceForge.
Mailing lists hosted at SourceForge have a textual advertisement appended to them, whereas Launchpad does not. This is minor, but it does result in our archived emails looking more tidy and professional.
Another benefit of moving is that the board would be able to handle all list administration. Currently, the SourceForge admin team does list administration. Presently this is a trivially small benefit, since we tend not to require any administration work, and since several board members are also SourceForge team administrators.
A limitation of Launchpad is that it permits only a single mailing list per team. However, for the board this is not a hinderance since we only have a single mailing list. If a second list is needed, we can always just establish a subteam.
Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.cl... _______________________________________________ Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
On 25-2-2014 16:30, Ted Gould wrote:
a. I'm not particular on Launchpad, but I really dislike SF mailing lists.
To change which mailing list goes to what address (or if you get mail for it at all) you can go to this Launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/~/+editemails
For me the biggest advantage of Launchpad's customizations is that I can mail a mailing list with any address that LP knows about, so if I screw up, my mail doesn't get bounced.
Thanks Ted! I have the maillist-bouncing problem too.
a.
-Johan
Ted
On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 00:00 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
A majority vote of the current board members is required for this matter.
Proposal:
Move the email list for the Inkscape Board of Directors from SourceForge to Launchpad.
[ ] a. Yes, move inkscape-board@ to Launchpad [ ] b. No, keep list on SourceForge
Regardless of this vote, all other mailing lists will remain unchanged.
Background:
All Inkscape mailing lists are currently hosted from SourceForge, for historical reasons. When Inkscape was founded we used SourceForge for all source control, bug tracking, mailing lists, etc.
Since that time we've moved off SourceForge to Launchpad for the first two items, but not the last.
The mailing list archives are important for board matters both to locate past decisions, and for facilitating general transparency into our work. Both SourceForge and Launchpad have their own web interface for viewing list archives, but SourceForge's implementation is clunky and limited compared with Launchpad's.
Launchpad also provides a more integrated way of managing your mailing list subscriptions compared with SourceForge.
Mailing lists hosted at SourceForge have a textual advertisement appended to them, whereas Launchpad does not. This is minor, but it does result in our archived emails looking more tidy and professional.
Another benefit of moving is that the board would be able to handle all list administration. Currently, the SourceForge admin team does list administration. Presently this is a trivially small benefit, since we tend not to require any administration work, and since several board members are also SourceForge team administrators.
A limitation of Launchpad is that it permits only a single mailing list per team. However, for the board this is not a hinderance since we only have a single mailing list. If a second list is needed, we can always just establish a subteam.
Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.cl... _______________________________________________ Inkscape-board mailing list Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
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I'm also not particular on where...
a.
Cheers, Josh
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Johan Engelen < j.b.c.engelen@...51...> wrote:
On 25-2-2014 16:30, Ted Gould wrote:
a. I'm not particular on Launchpad, but I really dislike SF mailing
lists.
To change which mailing list goes to what address (or if you get mail for it at all) you can go to this Launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/~/+editemails
For me the biggest advantage of Launchpad's customizations is that I can mail a mailing list with any address that LP knows about, so if I screw up, my mail doesn't get bounced.
Thanks Ted! I have the maillist-bouncing problem too.
a.
-Johan
Ted
On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 00:00 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
A majority vote of the current board members is required for this matter.
Proposal:
Move the email list for the Inkscape Board of Directors from SourceForge to Launchpad.
[ ] a. Yes, move inkscape-board@ to Launchpad [ ] b. No, keep list on SourceForge
Regardless of this vote, all other mailing lists will remain unchanged.
Background:
All Inkscape mailing lists are currently hosted from SourceForge, for historical reasons. When Inkscape was founded we used SourceForge for all source control, bug tracking, mailing lists, etc.
Since that time we've moved off SourceForge to Launchpad for the first two items, but not the last.
The mailing list archives are important for board matters both to locate past decisions, and for facilitating general transparency into our work. Both SourceForge and Launchpad have their own web interface for viewing list archives, but SourceForge's implementation is clunky and limited compared with Launchpad's.
Launchpad also provides a more integrated way of managing your mailing list subscriptions compared with SourceForge.
Mailing lists hosted at SourceForge have a textual advertisement appended to them, whereas Launchpad does not. This is minor, but it does result in our archived emails looking more tidy and professional.
Another benefit of moving is that the board would be able to handle all list administration. Currently, the SourceForge admin team does list administration. Presently this is a trivially small benefit, since we tend not to require any administration work, and since several board members are also SourceForge team administrators.
A limitation of Launchpad is that it permits only a single mailing list per team. However, for the board this is not a hinderance since we only have a single mailing list. If a second list is needed, we can always just establish a subteam.
Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool.
http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.cl...
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