Re: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)

For those who have not seen Google's tremendously handy open font library, you view/download it here: https://www.google.com/fonts On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:55 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: > I'd rather use libre fonts where possible. Something that comes with a > SIL, Apache, or cc0 font license/rights waiver. > I don't want anything with attribution requirements. All materials, imho > should be libre so people are free and protected against other people suing > them for helping the Inkscape project. There is a true wealth of excellent > scripty fonts, and Roman-Caps serif fonts. I'll pick the closest matches > and maybe we can vote on it or something. :) If someone has a reason for > really wanting to use proprietary fonts, artwork, etc. for branding I > can... but I'd like to avoid it if at all possible. > > -C > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Andler <scislac@...400...> wrote: > >> Per Jabier's reply, the branding folder contains a file that has the >> proper branding for the text elements. They're vector, so it should be >> easy to work with. Obviously the newer logo is what should be used >> (which you're already doing). >> >> I don't recall what font was used for INKSCAPE, but it was a Pushkin >> font that was used for Draw Freely. >> http://www.paratype.com/pstore/fonts/pushkin.htm It was created by >> someone with a license for the font, but it does raise the question >> about how we feel about proprietary stuff used for our brand. >> >> Cheers, >> Josh >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: >> > Thanks! >> > And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style for writing >> > "Draw Freely". >> > >> > This leaves me with some options: >> > >> > 1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite is >> the one >> > accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset for >> this? I >> > could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work. >> > >> > 2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If like >> to do >> > it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that pressure >> > sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time being. >> > >> > 3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding stuff, >> and >> > if there isn't, start one. :) >> > >> > Any thoughts? >> > >> > Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not, I'm tempted >> to raid >> > Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative. >> > >> > -C >> > >> > On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler" <scislac@...400...> wrote: >> >> >> >> Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your description), >> >> but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw Freely" from the about screen >> >> should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking forward to >> >> seeing the next iteration! >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Josh >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: >> >> > Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) ) >> >> > I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down with >> some >> >> > emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute. >> >> > I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself, >> but >> >> > ran >> >> > out of time tonight. >> >> > However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv >> >> > >> >> > The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw Freely" will >> be >> >> > scribbled in underneath it as last additions. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has >> been a >> >> > pleasant one. :) >> >> > >> >> > More soon. >> >> > >> >> > -C >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source >> >> >> Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! >> :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like >> >> >>>> people >> >> >>>> are >> >> >>>> ready to do this! >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage. >> >> >>> You're >> >> >>> not late either, it's early times still. :) >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> (sorry, kind of long) >> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Also never a problem. More information is better! >> >> >>> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise! >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the >> Inkscape >> >> >>>> community. I've done some both intensive and extensive >> searching for >> >> >>>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of >> tutorials, for >> >> >>>> the >> >> >>>> community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted >> to >> >> >>>> provide). >> >> >>>> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php >> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting >> these >> >> >>> resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will >> be >> >> >>> quite >> >> >>> useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in >> terms >> >> >>> of >> >> >>> information content and possible linking from the finished >> >> >>> documentation >> >> >>> (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be >> >> >>> good to >> >> >>> have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org >> website, >> >> >>> one to >> >> >>> a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of >> >> >>> excellent >> >> >>> community-done resources. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small >> official >> >> >>> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a >> matter >> >> >>> of >> >> >>> preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even >> my >> >> >>> own >> >> >>> preference changes depending on my moods, so having both >> available is >> >> >>> no bad >> >> >>> thing. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Official videos have manifold purpose: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -They provide concise context-relevant information that we can >> include >> >> >>> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having >> to >> >> >>> google >> >> >>> for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent >> >> >>> learning in >> >> >>> a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a >> list >> >> >>> of >> >> >>> several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of >> >> >>> repeating >> >> >>> concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be >> be a >> >> >>> lot of >> >> >>> gap-filling as well. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the >> >> >>> professional image of the project, and is important for trust and >> >> >>> provides a >> >> >>> nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times >> people >> >> >>> posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even though I >> >> >>> reached >> >> >>> these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it? >> Users >> >> >>> can >> >> >>> spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users >> think >> >> >>> about >> >> >>> their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly >> >> >>> hundreds >> >> >>> of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer, >> on >> >> >>> the >> >> >>> spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :) >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -They are a resource under the project's control. One of the >> >> >>> criticisms >> >> >>> that our open source community faces is that information is >> >> >>> scatter-shot, >> >> >>> and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken >> to >> >> >>> the >> >> >>> original content, or the content may only be available in some >> >> >>> countries. >> >> >>> Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most >> people. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. >> This is >> >> >>> important not only for development purposes, but also for social >> media >> >> >>> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics >> >> >>> conventions, >> >> >>> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So >> >> >>> thanks >> >> >>> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!) >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional >> resource >> >> >>> for >> >> >>> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a >> must >> >> >>> for a >> >> >>> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more >> >> >>> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there >> are, >> >> >>> the more >> >> >>> eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as >> well >> >> >>> with >> >> >>> each video, gaining the project more exposure. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for >> >> >>> professional design workflows, as well as educate new users, and >> ease >> >> >>> the >> >> >>> transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like >> >> >>> Illustrator, >> >> >>> you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to >> find >> >> >>>> tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine. >> >> >>>> Nothing >> >> >>>> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just >> have not >> >> >>>> ventured outside of DA, in their search? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of >> the >> >> >>> problems with video content is if you are looking for something >> very >> >> >>> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials, >> >> >>> hoping >> >> >>> they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more >> >> >>> easily >> >> >>> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant >> keywords. The >> >> >>> inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search >> these >> >> >>> keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also >> recommend an >> >> >>> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click >> down >> >> >>> and >> >> >>> feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what >> a >> >> >>> feature >> >> >>> is named). >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> For example, a piece of the tree could go: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> +Tools >> >> >>> -Select and Transform Tool >> >> >>> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool >> >> >>> +Tweak Objects Tool >> >> >>> - Tool Overview >> >> >>> - Using Different Modes >> >> >>> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want >> >> >>> + FAQ / Troubleshooting >> >> >>> - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob? >> >> >>> - It's only working on some objects, but not others >> >> >>> - etc. >> >> >>> -Zoom Tool >> >> >>> -Measurement Tool >> >> >>> -Rectangle/Square Tool >> >> >>> -etc. >> >> >>> -Working with Shapes >> >> >>> -Working with Layers >> >> >>> -Working with Groups >> >> >>> -Selecting >> >> >>> -Filters >> >> >>> -Exporting >> >> >>> +Using Colours >> >> >>> -What is a colour space? >> >> >>> -What is a colour system? >> >> >>> +FAQ / Troubleshooting >> >> >>> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh! >> >> >>> -My greens are looking too Blue in print >> >> >>> -My blacks are too grey in print >> >> >>> +What should I use for my project? >> >> >>> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours? >> >> >>> -Pre-Press Considerations >> >> >>> -etc. etc. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others >> could >> >> >>> have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important >> to >> >> >>> include >> >> >>> all the written and video materials together, so visitors do not >> have >> >> >>> to >> >> >>> visit different sections of the website to find the information >> they >> >> >>> are >> >> >>> after. >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are "official" >> >> >>>> tutorials. >> >> >>>> There was some talk a few months ago about building a >> Documentation >> >> >>>> team, >> >> >>>> and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a >> group >> >> >>>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more >> >> >>>> time.....I >> >> >>>> don't remember the exact details anymore). >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I would be happy to assist the Documentation team. >> >> >>> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved >> >> >>> previously >> >> >>> do not presently have the time. >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so >> >> >>>> currently >> >> >>>> available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials >> >> >>>> with >> >> >>>> music >> >> >>>> background and no narration. I have never seen such a video >> that I >> >> >>>> found >> >> >>>> was helpful, in my opinion. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step, >> rather >> >> >>> than voiced over. >> >> >>> There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but >> I'd >> >> >>> like >> >> >>> to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and >> I'm not >> >> >>> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :) >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> (You may notice there are probably less than 5 >> >> >>>> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many >> >> >>>> worthwhile, >> >> >>>> that >> >> >>>> aren't connected to a proprietary venture.) >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them >> ourselves. >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series >> are >> >> >>>> still >> >> >>>> the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat >> >> >>>> dated). >> >> >>>> I >> >> >>>> think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there >> is >> >> >>>> some >> >> >>>> consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text >> tutorials. >> >> >>>> Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video >> tutorials, >> >> >>>> more >> >> >>>> than text. It's just trendy, afaict. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation >> >> >>> videos, >> >> >>> we will need more concise and much shorter videos with less >> banter, >> >> >>> and none >> >> >>> of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :) >> >> >>> >> >> >>> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials >> (the >> >> >>> bouncing >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making >> >> >>>> tutorials. >> >> >>>> Has >> >> >>>> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the >> videos? >> >> >>>> (I >> >> >>>> haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.) >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit >> >> >>> (which >> >> >>> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will >> be >> >> >>> easier >> >> >>> to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts >> (screen-captures, and >> >> >>> captioning). >> >> >>> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates >> are >> >> >>> the >> >> >>> ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the >> >> >>> tutorial >> >> >>> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these >> initial >> >> >>> steps >> >> >>> is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional >> >> >>> looking >> >> >>> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial >> sample >> >> >>> completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on >> >> >>> feedback. >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Thanks for listening, >> >> >>>> brynn >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -C >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>>> From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> >> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM >> >> >>>> To: "Inkscape Devel List" <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net&gt; >> >> >>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials) >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>> > Inkscape-devel mailing list >> >> >>>> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> >> >>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> >> >>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> >> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Inkscape-devel mailing list >> >> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> >> > >> > >