10:53 p.m.
Dear developers,
I was reviewing inkscape on deviantArt and I noticed a theme:
www.deviantart.com/browse/all/journals/?order=5&q=inkscape
Apart from the odd "I hate Inkscape" etc, there's a big need for
tutorials and most are interested in video tutorials.
This is probably something we should put together for the website.
Something coherent for users.
But I'm not exactly sure of the structure we should use. A competition?
Scouting for talent?
What do you think?
Best Regards, Martin Owens
11:01 p.m.
We briefly discussed the prospect of adding tutorials on a streaming
site at the Hackfest... given the size of the user community, the ad
revenue from something like YouTube could be helpful. As for who
would do it, I'm not sure!
AV
On 25 August 2015 at 14:53, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
Dear developers,
I was reviewing inkscape on deviantArt and I noticed a theme:
www.deviantart.com/browse/all/journals/?order=5&q=inkscape
Apart from the odd "I hate Inkscape" etc, there's a big need for
tutorials and most are interested in video tutorials.
This is probably something we should put together for the website.
Something coherent for users.
But I'm not exactly sure of the structure we should use. A competition?
Scouting for talent?
What do you think?
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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There's 106 here:
http://screencasters.heathenx.org
The ui might be out of date a bit but the concepts are still valid.
On 25 Aug 2015 14:54, "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
Dear developers,
I was reviewing inkscape on deviantArt and I noticed a theme:
www.deviantart.com/browse/all/journals/?order=5&q=inkscape
Apart from the odd "I hate Inkscape" etc, there's a big need for
tutorials and most are interested in video tutorials.
This is probably something we should put together for the website.
Something coherent for users.
But I'm not exactly sure of the structure we should use. A competition?
Scouting for talent?
What do you think?
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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Yes, I'll toss together a tutorial video of how to make a tutorial video.
lol The main issue is that the screen-caster is not going to be the same
for every OS, and some of them are teh ultrasuck to get working. I'll do
one for Ubuntu+gnome-shell, using Blender 3D as the video compositor... or
possibly just a cheap and cheerful tut in OpenShot, since it's much much
easier to use for non-pro users.
For the "making of", it would be less a tutorial, and more an
interview-style synopsis, I think (though I have a pretty sweet home-brew
system that would look great on camera, and happens to be running Linux,
for the authentic Open Source design experience).
To make it a tutorial, it would wind up being a series, as there is a lot
that goes into making all this stuff. :)
I like the idea of scripting the creation process to save our official
video crew (and myself, eventually) some production time. I will have to
put some thought into how that would work, but since all my graphics tools
have Python interpreters built in, it should at least be possible. :)
Let me get the first video done this weekend, and we'll see what everyone
thinks of it.
Then we can see more about the rest. :)
I'm loving all the ideas, keep em coming!
-C
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:23 PM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:
There's 106 here:
http://screencasters.heathenx.org
The ui might be out of date a bit but the concepts are still valid.
On 25 Aug 2015 14:54, "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
> Dear developers,
>
> I was reviewing inkscape on deviantArt and I noticed a theme:
>
> www.deviantart.com/browse/all/journals/?order=5&q=inkscape
>
> Apart from the odd "I hate Inkscape" etc, there's a big need for
> tutorials and most are interested in video tutorials.
>
> This is probably something we should put together for the website.
> Something coherent for users.
>
> But I'm not exactly sure of the structure we should use. A competition?
> Scouting for talent?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>
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On Thu, 2015-08-27 at 17:06 +0100, C R wrote:
I like the idea of scripting the creation process to save our
official
video crew (and myself, eventually) some production time. I will have
to put some thought into how that would work, but since all my
graphics tools have Python interpreters built in, it should at least
be possible. :)
What I've done in the past is take the various bits (animations, music
etc) and create the required formats that say openshot saves to and just
use python to make one with all the right bits in it.
One useful trick I learned doing screencasting with
gtk-record-my-desktop was to pause instead of stop and run the audio
in /tmp through audacity for background noise removal before pressing
stop and having the video and audio bound together.
Martin,
2:57 a.m.
Am 27.08.2015 um 18:06 schrieb C R:
Yes, I'll toss together a tutorial video of how to make a
tutorial video.
lol The main issue is that the screen-caster is not going to be the same
for every OS, and some of them are teh ultrasuck to get working. I'll do
one for Ubuntu+gnome-shell, using Blender 3D as the video compositor... or
possibly just a cheap and cheerful tut in OpenShot, since it's much much
easier to use for non-pro users.
I guess the screencasting is not the core thing that would be mutually
(most) interesting for inkscape users, more e.g. the interaction blender
<-> inkscape (if there is some with making the start sequence), e.g.
getting a svg (inkscape logo) into blender, 2d -> 3d, animation etc. (if
it is involved and you are not redoing everything from scratch in
blender for the starting animation you described).
I find it interesting because it's a real thing and not something
artificially created especially to demonstrate feature x (even if the
purpose of the product is demonstrating feature x which is not bad at
all, two different things and I like both).
For the "making of", it would be less a tutorial, and more
an
interview-style synopsis, I think (though I have a pretty sweet home-brew
That's exactly what I thought ...
system that would look great on camera, and happens to be running
Linux,
for the authentic Open Source design experience).
To make it a tutorial, it would wind up being a series, as there is a lot
that goes into making all this stuff. :)
... and here as well ;-)
I like the idea of scripting the creation process to save our
official
video crew (and myself, eventually) some production time. I will have to
put some thought into how that would work, but since all my graphics tools
have Python interpreters built in, it should at least be possible. :)
I thought more on a list "on paper" (now select the rectangle, open the
colors dialog, select the fill tab etc.) to make the screencast flow.
When you (read: I, maybe you are working different) do the real design,
you are doing many steps to try things which are not used afterwards or
not important for the tutorial. To prevent it from being boring, such a
list (something like a screenplay of a movie) could be helpful. If you
record the original design process, it will be easy (compared to making
everything from scratch) to remove unnecessary steps and have it tight
and informative with a suitable level of comprehensiveness. Of course
one must state at the beginning that the original process took n times
more time, but for the intended type and length of the tutorial it would
be much easier to follow without the try and error steps.
Let me get the first video done this weekend, and we'll see what
everyone
thinks of it.
Then we can see more about the rest. :)
Despite all the discussion of the longer tutorial on short tutorial
making, the short tutorials are a great by themselves as well.
I'm loving all the ideas, keep em coming!
Thanks for being that motivated and for the things you are coming up
with :-)
-C
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:23 PM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:
> There's 106 here:
>
> http://screencasters.heathenx.org
>
> The ui might be out of date a bit but the concepts are still valid.
> On 25 Aug 2015 14:54, "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
>
>> Dear developers,
>>
>> I was reviewing inkscape on deviantArt and I noticed a theme:
>>
>> www.deviantart.com/browse/all/journals/?order=5&q=inkscape
>>
>> Apart from the odd "I hate Inkscape" etc, there's a big need for
>> tutorials and most are interested in video tutorials.
>>
>> This is probably something we should put together for the website.
>> Something coherent for users.
>>
>> But I'm not exactly sure of the structure we should use. A competition?
>> Scouting for talent?
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>>
>>
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On Thu, 2015-08-27 at 19:57 +0200, Christian Mandel wrote:
> Let me get the first video done this weekend, and we'll see
what
everyone
> thinks of it.
> Then we can see more about the rest. :)
Despite all the discussion of the longer tutorial on short tutorial
making, the short tutorials are a great by themselves as well.
Yes I recommend getting the videos down to less than a minute for simple
features and 3 minutes max for more interesting things.
This adds some constraints to get to the point and restricts the tagents
that can so often happen when making video with a passion for teaching
others.
Thoughts on limits?
Martin,
6:22 a.m.
I did do a feature-highlight video for the paths tool in GIMP some time
ago. My mistake was calling it a tutorial. It's more of a tool overview,
and some commented that it was too short. Watching it again, I'd have to
agree. Lol:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uMSQuPA2xDs
That particular tool really needed more than 60seconds and... better music.
;)
60 seconds is something to shoot for, but different tools may require more
or less time.
I'd also like to end each video with a chart of the tool hotkeys and
modifiers as is at the very end of this GIMP tutorial, and a link in the
video description to download the chart for practice/retention. I was
rushing to cram this all into 60seconds as an experiment, but that hotkey
chart should have probably gotten at least 5 seconds of screen time for
people to be able to realise what it is and have the opportunity to pause
and try them out.
-C
On Thu, 2015-08-27 at 19:57 +0200, Christian Mandel wrote:
> Let me get the first video done this weekend, and we'll see
what
everyone
> thinks of it.
> Then we can see more about the rest. :)
Despite all the discussion of the longer tutorial on short tutorial
making, the short tutorials are a great by themselves as well.
Yes I recommend getting the videos down to less than a minute for simple
features and 3 minutes max for more interesting things.
This adds some constraints to get to the point and restricts the tagents
that can so often happen when making video with a passion for teaching
others.
Thoughts on limits?
Martin,
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I would also prefer not to have official tutorials/overviews be funded by
adverts. It gets in the way of learning the tools, and looks less
professional. We can include a message at the end with link to a donation
page that would make a lot more than the few cents we get for annoying
thousands of our users for Google's benefit, I think.
On 27 Aug 2015 10:22 pm, "C R" <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
I did do a feature-highlight video for the paths tool in GIMP some
time
ago. My mistake was calling it a tutorial. It's more of a tool overview,
and some commented that it was too short. Watching it again, I'd have to
agree. Lol:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uMSQuPA2xDs
That particular tool really needed more than 60seconds and... better
music. ;)
60 seconds is something to shoot for, but different tools may require more
or less time.
I'd also like to end each video with a chart of the tool hotkeys and
modifiers as is at the very end of this GIMP tutorial, and a link in the
video description to download the chart for practice/retention. I was
rushing to cram this all into 60seconds as an experiment, but that hotkey
chart should have probably gotten at least 5 seconds of screen time for
people to be able to realise what it is and have the opportunity to pause
and try them out.
-C
On Thu, 2015-08-27 at 19:57 +0200, Christian Mandel wrote:
> > Let me get the first video done this weekend, and we'll see what
> everyone
> > thinks of it.
> > Then we can see more about the rest. :)
>
> Despite all the discussion of the longer tutorial on short tutorial
> making, the short tutorials are a great by themselves as well.
Yes I recommend getting the videos down to less than a minute for simple
features and 3 minutes max for more interesting things.
This adds some constraints to get to the point and restricts the tagents
that can so often happen when making video with a passion for teaching
others.
Thoughts on limits?
Martin,
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I think we are mainly on the same page. Unfortunately, the process of
getting the Inkscape logo into Blender is non-trivial. One can import
vector curves, but to be usable in the way I'm using it for this
animation... Would be largely a Blender tutorial, not really an Inkscape
tutorial. I'm not even convinced that the way I'm doing it is a good way to
do it. Lol.
At any rate, it's probably sufficient to show some in-progress shots with
Inkscape being used to pique interest, to show that you can use Inkscape
with Blender in a professional capacity. Blender is several orders of
magnitude more complex than Inkscape is to make professional use of,
however, and I also don't want to frighten people away with complexity,
especially when some of the tools in Blender are presently getting
massively overhauled to make it much easier to use for more streamlined
production work.
I am also not an expert in using Blender. I know how to use it for product
design, and relatively simple animations, but I know enough to know how
much I don't know; how much I have yet to learn. The well is very deep.
Blender is not one program, it is an entire production line of what would
normally be 4-5 different programs by different companies, rolled into one.
There is nothing else like Blender, but the drawback is it has a learning
curve more or less equivalent to all the those programs as a result.
I do fortunately know enough to make the animation I have proposed however,
so there's that. :)
Once the intro animation is rendered into video there will be little need
to show people how to make it, because it can be re used, as is, in any
video editor, with no need to reconstruct it. In the spirit of the project,
I will make my animation files available so that people can improve the
intro as needed.
Something more useful for novices, might be showing how to use Inkscape to
make caption templates for video. Since this is not editor specific, it may
also appeal to a larger audience and will be more insta-useful. :)
Am 27.08.2015 um 18:06 schrieb C R:
Yes, I'll toss together a tutorial video of how to make a
tutorial video.
lol The main issue is that the screen-caster is not going to be the same
for every OS, and some of them are teh ultrasuck to get working. I'll do
one for Ubuntu+gnome-shell, using Blender 3D as the video compositor... or
possibly just a cheap and cheerful tut in OpenShot, since it's much much
easier to use for non-pro users.
I guess the screencasting is not the core thing that would be mutually
(most) interesting for inkscape users, more e.g. the interaction blender
<-> inkscape (if there is some with making the start sequence), e.g.
getting a svg (inkscape logo) into blender, 2d -> 3d, animation etc. (if
it is involved and you are not redoing everything from scratch in
blender for the starting animation you described).
I find it interesting because it's a real thing and not something
artificially created especially to demonstrate feature x (even if the
purpose of the product is demonstrating feature x which is not bad at
all, two different things and I like both).
For the "making of", it would be less a tutorial, and more
an
interview-style synopsis, I think (though I have a pretty sweet home-brew
That's exactly what I thought ...
system that would look great on camera, and happens to be running
Linux,
for the authentic Open Source design experience).
To make it a tutorial, it would wind up being a series, as there is a lot
that goes into making all this stuff. :)
... and here as well ;-)
I like the idea of scripting the creation process to save our
official
video crew (and myself, eventually) some production time. I will have to
put some thought into how that would work, but since all my graphics tools
have Python interpreters built in, it should at least be possible. :)
I thought more on a list "on paper" (now select the rectangle, open the
colors dialog, select the fill tab etc.) to make the screencast flow.
When you (read: I, maybe you are working different) do the real design,
you are doing many steps to try things which are not used afterwards or
not important for the tutorial. To prevent it from being boring, such a
list (something like a screenplay of a movie) could be helpful. If you
record the original design process, it will be easy (compared to making
everything from scratch) to remove unnecessary steps and have it tight
and informative with a suitable level of comprehensiveness. Of course
one must state at the beginning that the original process took n times
more time, but for the intended type and length of the tutorial it would
be much easier to follow without the try and error steps.
Let me get the first video done this weekend, and we'll see what
everyone
thinks of it.
Then we can see more about the rest. :)
Despite all the discussion of the longer tutorial on short tutorial
making, the short tutorials are a great by themselves as well.
I'm loving all the ideas, keep em coming!
Thanks for being that motivated and for the things you are coming up
with :-)
-C
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:23 PM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:
> There's 106 here:
>
> http://screencasters.heathenx.org
>
> The ui might be out of date a bit but the concepts are still valid.
> On 25 Aug 2015 14:54, "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
>
>> Dear developers,
>>
>> I was reviewing inkscape on deviantArt and I noticed a theme:
>>
>> www.deviantart.com/browse/all/journals/?order=5&q=inkscape
>>
>> Apart from the odd "I hate Inkscape" etc, there's a big need for
>> tutorials and most are interested in video tutorials.
>>
>> This is probably something we should put together for the website.
>> Something coherent for users.
>>
>> But I'm not exactly sure of the structure we should use. A competition?
>> Scouting for talent?
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>>
>>
>>
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On Thu, 2015-08-27 at 22:07 +0100, C R wrote:
Once the intro animation is rendered into video there will be little
need to show people how to make it, because it can be re used, as is,
in any video editor, with no need to reconstruct it. In the spirit of
the project, I will make my animation files available so that people
can improve the intro as needed.
Something more useful for novices, might be showing how to use
Inkscape to make caption templates for video. Since this is not editor
specific, it may also appeal to a larger audience and will be more
insta-useful. :)
I agree. When it comes to tooling up, we should just take all the common
parts in their compiled stages and package them into a small kit. Maybe
zip, maybe git, maybe both on github. But the end result will be a
simple way to cookie-cut out tutorettes for our users and then be able
to point to them sorted by order of difficulty say.
Martin,
1:35 p.m.
Holy crap, I miss checking my email for 1 day, and suddenly there are 50
messages waiting on the dev list! I wonder if my mail got delayed for some
reason....they are dated over 2 or 3 days....
So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like people are
ready to do this!
(sorry, kind of long)
I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the Inkscape
community. I've done some both intensive and extensive searching for
Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of tutorials, for the
community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted to provide).
http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
I've reviewed every tutorial listed on that page (at last count, over 300,
but now probably closer to 400). I only wanted to list tutorials that I
found provided correct information about inkscape, in an understandable
format, and worthwhile for anyone taking the time to follow. (Note that
tutorials on proprietary sites (such as vector tuts) are not included,
because I didn't want to hassle with potential ToU conflicts. So those are
all "independent" tutorials.)
So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to find
tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine. Nothing
fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just have not
ventured outside of DA, in their search?
Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are "official" tutorials.
There was some talk a few months ago about building a Documentation team,
and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a group
(although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more time.....I
don't remember the exact details anymore).
I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so currently
available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials with music
background and no narration. I have never seen such a video that I found
was helpful, in my opinion. (You may notice there are probably less than 5
YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many worthwhile, that
aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series are still
the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat dated). I
think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there is some
consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text tutorials.
Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video tutorials, more
than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials (the bouncing
bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making tutorials. Has
anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the videos? (I
haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)
So those are just my thoughts, up until the 1st day this was discussed.
Thanks for listening,
brynn
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So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like people are
ready to do this!
This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage. You're not
late either, it's early times still. :)
(sorry, kind of long)
Also never a problem. More information is better!
Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!
I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the
Inkscape
community. I've done some both intensive and extensive searching for
Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of tutorials, for the
community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted to
provide).
http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting these
resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will be quite
useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in terms of
information content and possible linking from the finished documentation
(pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be good to
have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org website, one to
a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of excellent
community-done resources.
For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small official
videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a matter of
preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even my own
preference changes depending on my moods, so having both available is no
bad thing.
Official videos have manifold purpose:
-They provide concise context-relevant information that we can include
alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having to google
for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent learning
in a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a list
of several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of
repeating concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be
be a lot of gap-filling as well.
-They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the
professional image of the project, and is important for trust and provides
a nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times people
posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even though I reached
these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it? Users can
spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users think
about their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly
hundreds of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer,
on the spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
-They are a resource under the project's control. One of the criticisms
that our open source community faces is that information is scatter-shot,
and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken to the
original content, or the content may only be available in some countries.
Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most people.
-They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. This is
important not only for development purposes, but also for social media
campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics conventions,
etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So thanks
again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)
-It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional resource for
serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a must for a
project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more
advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there are, the
more eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as well
with each video, gaining the project more exposure.
-It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for professional
design workflows, as well as educate new users, and ease the transition
from commercial software packages. (If you Like Illustrator, you're going
to LOVE Inkscape!) :D
So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to
find
tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine. Nothing
fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just have not
ventured outside of DA, in their search?
Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of the
problems with video content is if you are looking for something very
specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials, hoping
they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more easily
with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant keywords. The
inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search these
keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also recommend an
expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click down and
feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what a feature
is named).
For example, a piece of the tree could go:
+Tools
-Select and Transform Tool
-Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
+Tweak Objects Tool
- Tool Overview
- Using Different Modes
- Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want
+ FAQ / Troubleshooting
- Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob?
- It's only working on some objects, but not others
- etc.
-Zoom Tool
-Measurement Tool
-Rectangle/Square Tool
-etc.
-Working with Shapes
-Working with Layers
-Working with Groups
-Selecting
-Filters
-Exporting
+Using Colours
-What is a colour space?
-What is a colour system?
+FAQ / Troubleshooting
-My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh!
-My greens are looking too Blue in print
-My blacks are too grey in print
+What should I use for my project?
+Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
-Pre-Press Considerations
-etc. etc.
Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others could have
a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important to include all
the written and video materials together, so visitors do not have to visit
different sections of the website to find the information they are after.
Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are
"official"
tutorials.
There was some talk a few months ago about building a Documentation team,
and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a group
(although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more
time.....I
don't remember the exact details anymore).
I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved previously
do not presently have the time.
I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so currently
available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials
with
music
background and no narration. I have never seen such a video that I found
was helpful, in my opinion.
There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step, rather than
voiced over.
There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but I'd like to
start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and I'm not
convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
(You may notice there are probably less than 5
YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many worthwhile,
that
aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them ourselves.
Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series are
still
the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat dated). I
think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there is some
consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text tutorials.
Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video tutorials, more
than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation videos, we
will need more concise and much shorter videos with less banter, and none
of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials (the bouncing
bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making
tutorials. Has
anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the videos? (I
haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)
I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit (which
includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will be easier
to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen-captures, and
captioning).
It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates are the
ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the tutorial
content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these initial steps
is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional looking
videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial sample
completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on feedback.
Thanks for listening,
brynn
Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.
-C
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
To: "Inkscape Devel List" <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
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6:31 p.m.
PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source
Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! :)
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>
> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like people are
> ready to do this!
>
This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage. You're
not late either, it's early times still. :)
> (sorry, kind of long)
>
>
Also never a problem. More information is better!
Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!
> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the Inkscape
> community. I've done some both intensive and extensive searching for
> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of tutorials, for the
> community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted to
> provide).
> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
>
>
Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting these
resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will be quite
useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in terms of
information content and possible linking from the finished documentation
(pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be good to
have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org website, one to
a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of excellent
community-done resources.
For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small official
videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a matter of
preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even my own
preference changes depending on my moods, so having both available is no
bad thing.
Official videos have manifold purpose:
-They provide concise context-relevant information that we can include
alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having to google
for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent learning
in a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a list
of several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of
repeating concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be
be a lot of gap-filling as well.
-They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the
professional image of the project, and is important for trust and provides
a nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times people
posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even though I reached
these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it? Users can
spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users think
about their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly
hundreds of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer,
on the spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
-They are a resource under the project's control. One of the criticisms
that our open source community faces is that information is scatter-shot,
and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken to the
original content, or the content may only be available in some countries.
Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most people.
-They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. This is
important not only for development purposes, but also for social media
campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics conventions,
etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So thanks
again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)
-It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional resource for
serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a must for a
project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more
advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there are, the
more eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as well
with each video, gaining the project more exposure.
-It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for
professional design workflows, as well as educate new users, and ease the
transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like Illustrator,
you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D
> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to find
> tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine. Nothing
> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just have not
> ventured outside of DA, in their search?
>
Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of the
problems with video content is if you are looking for something very
specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials, hoping
they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more easily
with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant keywords. The
inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search these
keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also recommend an
expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click down and
feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what a feature
is named).
For example, a piece of the tree could go:
+Tools
-Select and Transform Tool
-Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
+Tweak Objects Tool
- Tool Overview
- Using Different Modes
- Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want
+ FAQ / Troubleshooting
- Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob?
- It's only working on some objects, but not others
- etc.
-Zoom Tool
-Measurement Tool
-Rectangle/Square Tool
-etc.
-Working with Shapes
-Working with Layers
-Working with Groups
-Selecting
-Filters
-Exporting
+Using Colours
-What is a colour space?
-What is a colour system?
+FAQ / Troubleshooting
-My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh!
-My greens are looking too Blue in print
-My blacks are too grey in print
+What should I use for my project?
+Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
-Pre-Press Considerations
-etc. etc.
Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others could have
a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important to include all
the written and video materials together, so visitors do not have to visit
different sections of the website to find the information they are after.
> Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are "official"
> tutorials.
> There was some talk a few months ago about building a Documentation team,
> and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a group
> (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more
> time.....I
> don't remember the exact details anymore).
>
I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved previously
do not presently have the time.
I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so currently
> available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials with
> music
> background and no narration. I have never seen such a video that I found
> was helpful, in my opinion.
There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step, rather
than voiced over.
There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but I'd like
to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and I'm not
convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
> (You may notice there are probably less than 5
> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many worthwhile,
> that
> aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
>
Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them ourselves.
> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series are still
> the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat dated). I
> think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there is some
> consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text tutorials.
> Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video tutorials, more
> than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
>
For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation videos, we
will need more concise and much shorter videos with less banter, and none
of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials (the
bouncing
> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making tutorials.
> Has
> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the videos? (I
> haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)
>
I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit (which
includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will be easier
to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen-captures, and
captioning).
It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates are the
ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the tutorial
content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these initial steps
is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional looking
videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial sample
completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on feedback.
> Thanks for listening,
> brynn
>
Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.
-C
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
> To: "Inkscape Devel List" <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
>
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
> >
>
>
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>
6:21 a.m.
Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) )
I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down with some
emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself, but ran
out of time tonight.
However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement:
www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw Freely" will
be
scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has been a
pleasant one. :)
More soon.
-C
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source
Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! :)
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>
>>
>> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like people
>> are
>> ready to do this!
>>
>
> This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage. You're
> not late either, it's early times still. :)
>
>
>> (sorry, kind of long)
>>
>>
> Also never a problem. More information is better!
> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!
>
>
>> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the Inkscape
>> community. I've done some both intensive and extensive searching for
>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of tutorials, for the
>> community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted to
>> provide).
>> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
>>
>>
> Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting these
> resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will be quite
> useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in terms of
> information content and possible linking from the finished documentation
> (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be good to
> have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org website, one to
> a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of excellent
> community-done resources.
>
> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small official
> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a matter of
> preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even my own
> preference changes depending on my moods, so having both available is no
> bad thing.
>
> Official videos have manifold purpose:
>
> -They provide concise context-relevant information that we can include
> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having to google
> for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent learning
> in a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a list
> of several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of
> repeating concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be
> be a lot of gap-filling as well.
>
> -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the
> professional image of the project, and is important for trust and provides
> a nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times people
> posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even though I reached
> these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it? Users can
> spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users think
> about their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly
> hundreds of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer,
> on the spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
>
> -They are a resource under the project's control. One of the criticisms
> that our open source community faces is that information is scatter-shot,
> and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken to the
> original content, or the content may only be available in some countries.
> Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most people.
>
> -They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. This is
> important not only for development purposes, but also for social media
> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics conventions,
> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So thanks
> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)
>
> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional resource for
> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a must for a
> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more
> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there are, the
> more eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as well
> with each video, gaining the project more exposure.
>
> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for
> professional design workflows, as well as educate new users, and ease the
> transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like Illustrator,
> you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D
>
>
>
>> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to find
>> tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine. Nothing
>> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just have not
>> ventured outside of DA, in their search?
>>
>
> Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of the
> problems with video content is if you are looking for something very
> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials, hoping
> they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more easily
> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant keywords. The
> inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search these
> keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also recommend an
> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click down and
> feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what a feature
> is named).
>
>
> For example, a piece of the tree could go:
>
> +Tools
> -Select and Transform Tool
> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
> +Tweak Objects Tool
> - Tool Overview
> - Using Different Modes
> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want
> + FAQ / Troubleshooting
> - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob?
> - It's only working on some objects, but not others
> - etc.
> -Zoom Tool
> -Measurement Tool
> -Rectangle/Square Tool
> -etc.
> -Working with Shapes
> -Working with Layers
> -Working with Groups
> -Selecting
> -Filters
> -Exporting
> +Using Colours
> -What is a colour space?
> -What is a colour system?
> +FAQ / Troubleshooting
> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh!
> -My greens are looking too Blue in print
> -My blacks are too grey in print
> +What should I use for my project?
> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
> -Pre-Press Considerations
> -etc. etc.
>
>
> Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others could
> have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important to
> include all the written and video materials together, so visitors do not
> have to visit different sections of the website to find the information
> they are after.
>
>
>> Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are "official"
>> tutorials.
>> There was some talk a few months ago about building a Documentation team,
>> and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a group
>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more
>> time.....I
>> don't remember the exact details anymore).
>>
>
>
> I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved previously
> do not presently have the time.
>
> I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so currently
>> available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials with
>> music
>> background and no narration. I have never seen such a video that I found
>> was helpful, in my opinion.
>
>
> There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step, rather
> than voiced over.
> There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but I'd like
> to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and I'm not
> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
>
>
>> (You may notice there are probably less than 5
>> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many worthwhile,
>> that
>> aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
>>
>
> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them ourselves.
>
>
>> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series are still
>> the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat dated). I
>> think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there is some
>> consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text tutorials.
>> Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video tutorials,
>> more
>> than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
>>
>
> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation videos,
> we will need more concise and much shorter videos with less banter, and
> none of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
>
> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials (the
> bouncing
>
>> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making tutorials.
>> Has
>> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the videos? (I
>> haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)
>>
>
> I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit (which
> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will be easier
> to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen-captures, and
> captioning).
> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates are the
> ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the tutorial
> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these initial steps
> is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional looking
> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial sample
> completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on feedback.
>
>
>> Thanks for listening,
>> brynn
>>
>
> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.
>
> -C
>
>
>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
>> To: "Inkscape Devel List" <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
>>
>> >
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
>> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>> >
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> Inkscape-devel mailing list
>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>
>
8:34 a.m.
Very beautiful and original!
El lun, 31-08-2015 a las 22:21 +0100, C R escribió:
Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) )
I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down with
some
emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself, but
ran
out of time tonight.
However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement:
www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wi
p.ogv
The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw Freely" will
be
scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has been
a
pleasant one. :)
More soon.
-C
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source
> Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love!
> :)
> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation
> -software#/story
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > > So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like
> > > people
> > > are
> > > ready to do this!
> > >
> >
> > This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage.
> > You're
> > not late either, it's early times still. :)
> >
> >
> > > (sorry, kind of long)
> > >
> > >
> > Also never a problem. More information is better!
> > Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!
> >
> >
> > > I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the
> > > Inkscape
> > > community. I've done some both intensive and extensive
> > > searching for
> > > Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of
> > > tutorials, for the
> > > community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted
> > > to
> > > provide).
> > > http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
> > >
> > >
> > Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting
> > these
> > resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will
> > be quite
> > useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in
> > terms of
> > information content and possible linking from the finished
> > documentation
> > (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also
> > be good to
> > have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org
> > website, one to
> > a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of
> > excellent
> > community-done resources.
> >
> > For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small
> > official
> > videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a
> > matter of
> > preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even
> > my own
> > preference changes depending on my moods, so having both
> > available is no
> > bad thing.
> >
> > Official videos have manifold purpose:
> >
> > -They provide concise context-relevant information that we can
> > include
> > alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having
> > to google
> > for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent
> > learning
> > in a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from
> > even a list
> > of several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot
> > of
> > repeating concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there
> > will also be
> > be a lot of gap-filling as well.
> >
> > -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the
> > professional image of the project, and is important for trust and
> > provides
> > a nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times
> > people
> > posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even though
> > I reached
> > these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it?
> > Users can
> > spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users
> > think
> > about their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across
> > possibly
> > hundreds of comments). We are in the unique position to provide
> > an answer,
> > on the spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
> >
> > -They are a resource under the project's control. One of the
> > criticisms
> > that our open source community faces is that information is
> > scatter-shot,
> > and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken
> > to the
> > original content, or the content may only be available in some
> > countries.
> > Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most
> > people.
> >
> > -They give us another opportunity to connect with more users.
> > This is
> > important not only for development purposes, but also for social
> > media
> > campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics
> > conventions,
> > etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So
> > thanks
> > again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)
> >
> > -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional
> > resource for
> > serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a
> > must for a
> > project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more
> > advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there
> > are, the
> > more eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords
> > as well
> > with each video, gaining the project more exposure.
> >
> > -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for
> > professional design workflows, as well as educate new users, and
> > ease the
> > transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like
> > Illustrator,
> > you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D
> >
> >
> >
> > > So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to
> > > find
> > > tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search
> > > engine. Nothing
> > > fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just
> > > have not
> > > ventured outside of DA, in their search?
> > >
> >
> > Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of
> > the
> > problems with video content is if you are looking for something
> > very
> > specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete
> > tutorials, hoping
> > they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved
> > more easily
> > with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant
> > keywords. The
> > inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search
> > these
> > keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also
> > recommend an
> > expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click
> > down and
> > feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what
> > a feature
> > is named).
> >
> >
> > For example, a piece of the tree could go:
> >
> > +Tools
> > -Select and Transform Tool
> > -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
> > +Tweak Objects Tool
> > - Tool Overview
> > - Using Different Modes
> > - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want
> > + FAQ / Troubleshooting
> > - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob?
> > - It's only working on some objects, but not others
> > - etc.
> > -Zoom Tool
> > -Measurement Tool
> > -Rectangle/Square Tool
> > -etc.
> > -Working with Shapes
> > -Working with Layers
> > -Working with Groups
> > -Selecting
> > -Filters
> > -Exporting
> > +Using Colours
> > -What is a colour space?
> > -What is a colour system?
> > +FAQ / Troubleshooting
> > -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh!
> > -My greens are looking too Blue in print
> > -My blacks are too grey in print
> > +What should I use for my project?
> > +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
> > -Pre-Press Considerations
> > -etc. etc.
> >
> >
> > Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others
> > could
> > have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important
> > to
> > include all the written and video materials together, so visitors
> > do not
> > have to visit different sections of the website to find the
> > information
> > they are after.
> >
> >
> > > Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are
> > > "official"
> > > tutorials.
> > > There was some talk a few months ago about building a
> > > Documentation team,
> > > and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a
> > > group
> > > (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had
> > > more
> > > time.....I
> > > don't remember the exact details anymore).
> > >
> >
> >
> > I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
> > I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved
> > previously
> > do not presently have the time.
> >
> > I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so
> > currently
> > > available. But I have serious reservations about video
> > > tutorials with
> > > music
> > > background and no narration. I have never seen such a video
> > > that I found
> > > was helpful, in my opinion.
> >
> >
> > There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step,
> > rather
> > than voiced over.
> > There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but
> > I'd like
> > to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and
> > I'm not
> > convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
> >
> >
> > > (You may notice there are probably less than 5
> > > YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many
> > > worthwhile,
> > > that
> > > aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
> > >
> >
> > Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them
> > ourselves.
> >
> >
> > > Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series
> > > are still
> > > the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat
> > > dated). I
> > > think they represent the standard we should strive for, if
> > > there is some
> > > consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text
> > > tutorials.
> > > Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video
> > > tutorials,
> > > more
> > > than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
> > >
> >
> > For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation
> > videos,
> > we will need more concise and much shorter videos with less
> > banter, and
> > none of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
> >
> > That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials
> > (the
> > bouncing
> >
> > > bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making
> > > tutorials.
> > > Has
> > > anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the
> > > videos? (I
> > > haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)
> > >
> >
> > I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit
> > (which
> > includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will
> > be easier
> > to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen
> > -captures, and
> > captioning).
> > It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates
> > are the
> > ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the
> > tutorial
> > content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these
> > initial steps
> > is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional
> > looking
> > videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial
> > sample
> > completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based
> > on feedback.
> >
> >
> > > Thanks for listening,
> > > brynn
> > >
> >
> > Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.
> >
> > -C
> >
> >
> >
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
> > > To: "Inkscape Devel List"
<inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
> > > >
> > > Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
> > >
> > > >
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> > > ---------------
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your description),
but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw Freely" from the about screen
should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking forward to
seeing the next iteration!
Cheers,
Josh
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) )
I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down with some
emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself, but ran
out of time tonight.
However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement:
www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw Freely" will
be
scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has been a
pleasant one. :)
More soon.
-C
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>
> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source
> Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! :)
> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like people
>>> are
>>> ready to do this!
>>
>>
>> This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage. You're
>> not late either, it's early times still. :)
>>
>>>
>>> (sorry, kind of long)
>>>
>>
>> Also never a problem. More information is better!
>> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!
>>
>>>
>>> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the Inkscape
>>> community. I've done some both intensive and extensive searching for
>>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of tutorials, for
>>> the
>>> community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted to
>>> provide).
>>> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting these
>> resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will be
quite
>> useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in terms of
>> information content and possible linking from the finished documentation
>> (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be good to
>> have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org website, one to
>> a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of excellent
>> community-done resources.
>>
>> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small official
>> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a matter of
>> preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even my own
>> preference changes depending on my moods, so having both available is no bad
>> thing.
>>
>> Official videos have manifold purpose:
>>
>> -They provide concise context-relevant information that we can include
>> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having to google
>> for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent learning in
>> a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a list of
>> several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of repeating
>> concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be be a lot of
>> gap-filling as well.
>>
>> -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the
>> professional image of the project, and is important for trust and provides a
>> nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times people
>> posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even though I
reached
>> these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it? Users can
>> spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users think about
>> their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly hundreds
>> of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer, on the
>> spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
>>
>> -They are a resource under the project's control. One of the criticisms
>> that our open source community faces is that information is scatter-shot,
>> and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken to the
>> original content, or the content may only be available in some countries.
>> Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most people.
>>
>> -They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. This is
>> important not only for development purposes, but also for social media
>> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics conventions,
>> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So thanks
>> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)
>>
>> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional resource for
>> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a must for a
>> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more
>> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there are, the more
>> eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as well with
>> each video, gaining the project more exposure.
>>
>> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for
>> professional design workflows, as well as educate new users, and ease the
>> transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like Illustrator,
>> you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D
>>
>>
>>>
>>> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to find
>>> tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine.
>>> Nothing
>>> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just have not
>>> ventured outside of DA, in their search?
>>
>>
>> Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of the
>> problems with video content is if you are looking for something very
>> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials, hoping
>> they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more easily
>> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant keywords. The
>> inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search these
>> keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also recommend an
>> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click down and
>> feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what a feature
>> is named).
>>
>>
>> For example, a piece of the tree could go:
>>
>> +Tools
>> -Select and Transform Tool
>> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
>> +Tweak Objects Tool
>> - Tool Overview
>> - Using Different Modes
>> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want
>> + FAQ / Troubleshooting
>> - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob?
>> - It's only working on some objects, but not others
>> - etc.
>> -Zoom Tool
>> -Measurement Tool
>> -Rectangle/Square Tool
>> -etc.
>> -Working with Shapes
>> -Working with Layers
>> -Working with Groups
>> -Selecting
>> -Filters
>> -Exporting
>> +Using Colours
>> -What is a colour space?
>> -What is a colour system?
>> +FAQ / Troubleshooting
>> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh!
>> -My greens are looking too Blue in print
>> -My blacks are too grey in print
>> +What should I use for my project?
>> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
>> -Pre-Press Considerations
>> -etc. etc.
>>
>>
>> Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others could
>> have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important to include
>> all the written and video materials together, so visitors do not have to
>> visit different sections of the website to find the information they are
>> after.
>>
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are
"official"
>>> tutorials.
>>> There was some talk a few months ago about building a Documentation
>>> team,
>>> and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a group
>>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more
>>> time.....I
>>> don't remember the exact details anymore).
>>
>>
>>
>> I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
>> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved previously
>> do not presently have the time.
>>
>>> I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so currently
>>> available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials with
>>> music
>>> background and no narration. I have never seen such a video that I
>>> found
>>> was helpful, in my opinion.
>>
>>
>> There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step, rather
>> than voiced over.
>> There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but I'd like
>> to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and I'm not
>> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
>>
>>>
>>> (You may notice there are probably less than 5
>>> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many
worthwhile,
>>> that
>>> aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
>>
>>
>> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them ourselves.
>>
>>>
>>> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series are
>>> still
>>> the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat dated).
>>> I
>>> think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there is some
>>> consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text tutorials.
>>> Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video tutorials,
>>> more
>>> than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
>>
>>
>> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation videos,
>> we will need more concise and much shorter videos with less banter, and none
>> of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
>>
>> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials (the
>> bouncing
>>>
>>> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making tutorials.
>>> Has
>>> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the videos? (I
>>> haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)
>>
>>
>> I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit (which
>> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will be easier
>> to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen-captures, and
>> captioning).
>> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates are the
>> ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the tutorial
>> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these initial steps
>> is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional looking
>> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial sample
>> completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on feedback.
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for listening,
>>> brynn
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.
>>
>> -C
>>
>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
>>> To: "Inkscape Devel List"
<inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> >
>>>
>>>
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3:35 p.m.
Thanks!
And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style for writing
"Draw Freely".
This leaves me with some options:
1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite is the one
accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset for this? I
could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work.
2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If like to do
it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that pressure
sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time being.
3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding stuff, and
if there isn't, start one. :)
Any thoughts?
Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not, I'm tempted to
raid Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative.
-C
On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler" <scislac@...400...> wrote:
Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your description),
but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw Freely" from the about
screen
should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking forward to
seeing the next iteration!
Cheers,
Josh
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) )
> I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down with some
> emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
> I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself, but ran
> out of time tonight.
> However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement:
>
>
www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
>
> The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw Freely"
will be
> scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
>
> Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has been a
> pleasant one. :)
>
> More soon.
>
> -C
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>
>> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source
>> Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! :)
>>
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like
people
>>>> are
>>>> ready to do this!
>>>
>>>
>>> This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage. You're
>>> not late either, it's early times still. :)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> (sorry, kind of long)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Also never a problem. More information is better!
>>> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the
Inkscape
>>>> community. I've done some both intensive and extensive searching
for
>>>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of tutorials, for
>>>> the
>>>> community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted to
>>>> provide).
>>>> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting these
>>> resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will be
quite
>>> useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in terms of
>>> information content and possible linking from the finished
documentation
>>> (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be
good to
>>> have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org website,
one to
>>> a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of
excellent
>>> community-done resources.
>>>
>>> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small official
>>> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a matter
of
>>> preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even my own
>>> preference changes depending on my moods, so having both available is
no bad
>>> thing.
>>>
>>> Official videos have manifold purpose:
>>>
>>> -They provide concise context-relevant information that we can include
>>> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having to
google
>>> for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent
learning in
>>> a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a list
of
>>> several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of
repeating
>>> concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be be a
lot of
>>> gap-filling as well.
>>>
>>> -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the
>>> professional image of the project, and is important for trust and
provides a
>>> nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times people
>>> posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even though
I
reached
>>> these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it? Users
can
>>> spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users think
about
>>> their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly
hundreds
>>> of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer, on
the
>>> spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
>>>
>>> -They are a resource under the project's control. One of the criticisms
>>> that our open source community faces is that information is
scatter-shot,
>>> and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken to
the
>>> original content, or the content may only be available in some
countries.
>>> Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most people.
>>>
>>> -They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. This is
>>> important not only for development purposes, but also for social media
>>> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics
conventions,
>>> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So thanks
>>> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)
>>>
>>> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional resource
for
>>> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a must
for a
>>> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more
>>> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there are,
the more
>>> eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as well
with
>>> each video, gaining the project more exposure.
>>>
>>> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for
>>> professional design workflows, as well as educate new users, and ease
the
>>> transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like Illustrator,
>>> you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to find
>>>> tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine.
>>>> Nothing
>>>> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just have not
>>>> ventured outside of DA, in their search?
>>>
>>>
>>> Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of the
>>> problems with video content is if you are looking for something very
>>> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials,
hoping
>>> they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more
easily
>>> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant keywords. The
>>> inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search these
>>> keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also recommend an
>>> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click down
and
>>> feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what a
feature
>>> is named).
>>>
>>>
>>> For example, a piece of the tree could go:
>>>
>>> +Tools
>>> -Select and Transform Tool
>>> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
>>> +Tweak Objects Tool
>>> - Tool Overview
>>> - Using Different Modes
>>> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want
>>> + FAQ / Troubleshooting
>>> - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob?
>>> - It's only working on some objects, but not others
>>> - etc.
>>> -Zoom Tool
>>> -Measurement Tool
>>> -Rectangle/Square Tool
>>> -etc.
>>> -Working with Shapes
>>> -Working with Layers
>>> -Working with Groups
>>> -Selecting
>>> -Filters
>>> -Exporting
>>> +Using Colours
>>> -What is a colour space?
>>> -What is a colour system?
>>> +FAQ / Troubleshooting
>>> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh!
>>> -My greens are looking too Blue in print
>>> -My blacks are too grey in print
>>> +What should I use for my project?
>>> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
>>> -Pre-Press Considerations
>>> -etc. etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others could
>>> have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important to
include
>>> all the written and video materials together, so visitors do not have
to
>>> visit different sections of the website to find the information they
are
>>> after.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are
"official"
>>>> tutorials.
>>>> There was some talk a few months ago about building a Documentation
>>>> team,
>>>> and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a group
>>>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more
>>>> time.....I
>>>> don't remember the exact details anymore).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
>>> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved
previously
>>> do not presently have the time.
>>>
>>>> I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so
currently
>>>> available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials with
>>>> music
>>>> background and no narration. I have never seen such a video that I
>>>> found
>>>> was helpful, in my opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step, rather
>>> than voiced over.
>>> There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but I'd
like
>>> to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and I'm not
>>> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> (You may notice there are probably less than 5
>>>> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many
worthwhile,
>>>> that
>>>> aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them ourselves.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series are
>>>> still
>>>> the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat dated).
>>>> I
>>>> think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there is
some
>>>> consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text tutorials.
>>>> Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video
tutorials,
>>>> more
>>>> than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
>>>
>>>
>>> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation videos,
>>> we will need more concise and much shorter videos with less banter,
and none
>>> of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
>>>
>>> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials (the
>>> bouncing
>>>>
>>>> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making
tutorials.
>>>> Has
>>>> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the videos? (I
>>>> haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit
(which
>>> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will be
easier
>>> to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen-captures, and
>>> captioning).
>>> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates are
the
>>> ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the
tutorial
>>> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these initial
steps
>>> is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional looking
>>> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial sample
>>> completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on
feedback.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for listening,
>>>> brynn
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.
>>>
>>> -C
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
>>>> To: "Inkscape Devel List"
<inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
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4:47 p.m.
You have a branding folder in the source of inkscape. Look here.
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/inkscape/RELEASE_0_91_BRANCH/fi...
All the best, Jabier.
On mar, 2015-09-01 at 07:35 +0100, C R wrote:
Thanks!
And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style for
writing "Draw Freely".
This leaves me with some options:
1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite is
the one accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset
for this? I could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work.
2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If like
to do it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that
pressure sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time
being.
3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding stuff,
and if there isn't, start one. :)
Any thoughts?
Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not, I'm tempted
to raid Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative.
-C
On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler" <scislac@...400...> wrote:
Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your
description),
but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw Freely" from the
about
screen
should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking
forward to
seeing the next iteration!
Cheers,
Josh
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from
walking ;) )
> I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged
down with some
> emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
> I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded
myself, but ran
> out of time tonight.
> However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night
amusement:
>
>
www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
>
> The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw
Freely" will be
> scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
>
> Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend
has been a
> pleasant one. :)
>
> More soon.
>
> -C
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...>
wrote:
>>
>> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open
Source
>> Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some
love! :)
>>
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it
sounds like people
>>>> are
>>>> ready to do this!
>>>
>>>
>>> This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any
stage. You're
>>> not late either, it's early times still. :)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> (sorry, kind of long)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Also never a problem. More information is better!
>>> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in
the Inkscape
>>>> community. I've done some both intensive and extensive
searching for
>>>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of
tutorials, for
>>>> the
>>>> community (something I saw lacking in the community, and
wanted to
>>>> provide).
>>>> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and
vetting these
>>> resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure
they will be quite
>>> useful not only in determining the best way to proceed,
but in terms of
>>> information content and possible linking from the finished
documentation
>>> (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may
also be good to
>>> have two video sections that link off the main
Inkscape.org website, one to
>>> a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing
set of excellent
>>> community-done resources.
>>>
>>> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have
small official
>>> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's
quite a matter of
>>> preference which people prefer (written or video
tutorial). Even my own
>>> preference changes depending on my moods, so having both
available is no bad
>>> thing.
>>>
>>> Official videos have manifold purpose:
>>>
>>> -They provide concise context-relevant information that we
can include
>>> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time
having to google
>>> for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be
spent learning in
>>> a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from
even a list of
>>> several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a
lot of repeating
>>> concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will
also be be a lot of
>>> gap-filling as well.
>>>
>>> -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds
to the
>>> professional image of the project, and is important for
trust and provides a
>>> nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many
times people
>>> posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even
though I reached
>>> these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to
google it? Users can
>>> spend more time learning, and less time reading what other
users think about
>>> their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across
possibly hundreds
>>> of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an
answer, on the
>>> spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
>>>
>>> -They are a resource under the project's control. One of
the criticisms
>>> that our open source community faces is that information
is scatter-shot,
>>> and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be
broken to the
>>> original content, or the content may only be available in
some countries.
>>> Having control over our content ensures we can reach the
most people.
>>>
>>> -They give us another opportunity to connect with more
users. This is
>>> important not only for development purposes, but also for
social media
>>> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at
graphics conventions,
>>> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape,
btw. So thanks
>>> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for
me!)
>>>
>>> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a
professional resource for
>>> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos
are a must for a
>>> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one
one more
>>> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them
there are, the more
>>> eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search
keywords as well with
>>> each video, gaining the project more exposure.
>>>
>>> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices
for
>>> professional design workflows, as well as educate new
users, and ease the
>>> transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like
Illustrator,
>>> you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being
able to find
>>>> tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search
engine.
>>>> Nothing
>>>> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks
just have not
>>>> ventured outside of DA, in their search?
>>>
>>>
>>> Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos.
One of the
>>> problems with video content is if you are looking for
something very
>>> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete
tutorials, hoping
>>> they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is
solved more easily
>>> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant
keywords. The
>>> inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to
search these
>>> keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also
recommend an
>>> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to
click down and
>>> feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't
know what a feature
>>> is named).
>>>
>>>
>>> For example, a piece of the tree could go:
>>>
>>> +Tools
>>> -Select and Transform Tool
>>> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
>>> +Tweak Objects Tool
>>> - Tool Overview
>>> - Using Different Modes
>>> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects
you want
>>> + FAQ / Troubleshooting
>>> - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob?
>>> - It's only working on some objects, but not
others
>>> - etc.
>>> -Zoom Tool
>>> -Measurement Tool
>>> -Rectangle/Square Tool
>>> -etc.
>>> -Working with Shapes
>>> -Working with Layers
>>> -Working with Groups
>>> -Selecting
>>> -Filters
>>> -Exporting
>>> +Using Colours
>>> -What is a colour space?
>>> -What is a colour system?
>>> +FAQ / Troubleshooting
>>> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file,
arrrgh!
>>> -My greens are looking too Blue in print
>>> -My blacks are too grey in print
>>> +What should I use for my project?
>>> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
>>> -Pre-Press Considerations
>>> -etc. etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos.
Others could
>>> have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's
important to include
>>> all the written and video materials together, so visitors
do not have to
>>> visit different sections of the website to find the
information they are
>>> after.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are
"official"
>>>> tutorials.
>>>> There was some talk a few months ago about building a
Documentation
>>>> team,
>>>> and I would certainly look forward to participating in
such a group
>>>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone
had more
>>>> time.....I
>>>> don't remember the exact details anymore).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
>>> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those
involved previously
>>> do not presently have the time.
>>>
>>>> I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6
or so currently
>>>> available. But I have serious reservations about video
tutorials with
>>>> music
>>>> background and no narration. I have never seen such a
video that I
>>>> found
>>>> was helpful, in my opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> There will be narration, it will just be textual,
step-by-step, rather
>>> than voiced over.
>>> There is nothing preventing people from adding voice
overs, but I'd like
>>> to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible,
and I'm not
>>> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> (You may notice there are probably less than 5
>>>> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found
many worthwhile,
>>>> that
>>>> aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing
them ourselves.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin)
series are
>>>> still
>>>> the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now
somewhat dated).
>>>> I
>>>> think they represent the standard we should strive for,
if there is some
>>>> consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text
tutorials.
>>>> Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for
video tutorials,
>>>> more
>>>> than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
>>>
>>>
>>> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature
documentation videos,
>>> we will need more concise and much shorter videos with
less banter, and none
>>> of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
>>>
>>> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the
tutorials (the
>>> bouncing
>>>>
>>>> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of
making tutorials.
>>>> Has
>>>> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of
the videos? (I
>>>> haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have
the kit (which
>>> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay),
it will be easier
>>> to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts
(screen-captures, and
>>> captioning).
>>> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and
templates are the
>>> ground-work for a professional video series. They will
make the tutorial
>>> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of
these initial steps
>>> is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick,
professional looking
>>> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the
initial sample
>>> completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit
based on feedback.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for listening,
>>>> brynn
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help
tremendously.
>>>
>>> -C
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
>>>> To: "Inkscape Devel List"
<inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
>>>> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>>> >
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>
>>
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12:18 a.m.
Per Jabier's reply, the branding folder contains a file that has the
proper branding for the text elements. They're vector, so it should be
easy to work with. Obviously the newer logo is what should be used
(which you're already doing).
I don't recall what font was used for INKSCAPE, but it was a Pushkin
font that was used for Draw Freely.
http://www.paratype.com/pstore/fonts/pushkin.htm It was created by
someone with a license for the font, but it does raise the question
about how we feel about proprietary stuff used for our brand.
Cheers,
Josh
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Thanks!
And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style for writing
"Draw Freely".
This leaves me with some options:
1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite is the one
accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset for this? I
could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work.
2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If like to do
it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that pressure
sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time being.
3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding stuff, and
if there isn't, start one. :)
Any thoughts?
Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not, I'm tempted to raid
Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative.
-C
On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler" <scislac@...400...> wrote:
>
> Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your description),
> but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw Freely" from the about
screen
> should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking forward to
> seeing the next iteration!
>
> Cheers,
> Josh
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> > Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) )
> > I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down with some
> > emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
> > I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself, but
> > ran
> > out of time tonight.
> > However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement:
> >
> >
> > www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
> >
> > The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw
Freely" will be
> > scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
> >
> > Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has been a
> > pleasant one. :)
> >
> > More soon.
> >
> > -C
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> >>
> >> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source
> >> Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! :)
> >>
> >> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like
> >>>> people
> >>>> are
> >>>> ready to do this!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage.
> >>> You're
> >>> not late either, it's early times still. :)
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> (sorry, kind of long)
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Also never a problem. More information is better!
> >>> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the
Inkscape
> >>>> community. I've done some both intensive and extensive
searching for
> >>>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of tutorials,
for
> >>>> the
> >>>> community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted to
> >>>> provide).
> >>>> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting these
> >>> resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will
be
> >>> quite
> >>> useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in terms
> >>> of
> >>> information content and possible linking from the finished
> >>> documentation
> >>> (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be
> >>> good to
> >>> have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org website,
> >>> one to
> >>> a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of
> >>> excellent
> >>> community-done resources.
> >>>
> >>> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small official
> >>> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a
matter
> >>> of
> >>> preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even my
> >>> own
> >>> preference changes depending on my moods, so having both available is
> >>> no bad
> >>> thing.
> >>>
> >>> Official videos have manifold purpose:
> >>>
> >>> -They provide concise context-relevant information that we can include
> >>> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having to
> >>> google
> >>> for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent
> >>> learning in
> >>> a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a list
> >>> of
> >>> several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of
> >>> repeating
> >>> concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be be a
> >>> lot of
> >>> gap-filling as well.
> >>>
> >>> -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the
> >>> professional image of the project, and is important for trust and
> >>> provides a
> >>> nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times
people
> >>> posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even
though I
> >>> reached
> >>> these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it? Users
> >>> can
> >>> spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users think
> >>> about
> >>> their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly
> >>> hundreds
> >>> of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer, on
> >>> the
> >>> spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
> >>>
> >>> -They are a resource under the project's control. One of the
> >>> criticisms
> >>> that our open source community faces is that information is
> >>> scatter-shot,
> >>> and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken to
> >>> the
> >>> original content, or the content may only be available in some
> >>> countries.
> >>> Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most people.
> >>>
> >>> -They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. This is
> >>> important not only for development purposes, but also for social media
> >>> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics
> >>> conventions,
> >>> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So
> >>> thanks
> >>> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)
> >>>
> >>> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional resource
> >>> for
> >>> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a must
> >>> for a
> >>> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more
> >>> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there are,
> >>> the more
> >>> eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as well
> >>> with
> >>> each video, gaining the project more exposure.
> >>>
> >>> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for
> >>> professional design workflows, as well as educate new users, and ease
> >>> the
> >>> transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like
> >>> Illustrator,
> >>> you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to
find
> >>>> tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine.
> >>>> Nothing
> >>>> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just have
not
> >>>> ventured outside of DA, in their search?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of
the
> >>> problems with video content is if you are looking for something very
> >>> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials,
> >>> hoping
> >>> they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more
> >>> easily
> >>> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant keywords. The
> >>> inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search these
> >>> keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also recommend an
> >>> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click down
> >>> and
> >>> feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what a
> >>> feature
> >>> is named).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> For example, a piece of the tree could go:
> >>>
> >>> +Tools
> >>> -Select and Transform Tool
> >>> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
> >>> +Tweak Objects Tool
> >>> - Tool Overview
> >>> - Using Different Modes
> >>> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want
> >>> + FAQ / Troubleshooting
> >>> - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob?
> >>> - It's only working on some objects, but not others
> >>> - etc.
> >>> -Zoom Tool
> >>> -Measurement Tool
> >>> -Rectangle/Square Tool
> >>> -etc.
> >>> -Working with Shapes
> >>> -Working with Layers
> >>> -Working with Groups
> >>> -Selecting
> >>> -Filters
> >>> -Exporting
> >>> +Using Colours
> >>> -What is a colour space?
> >>> -What is a colour system?
> >>> +FAQ / Troubleshooting
> >>> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh!
> >>> -My greens are looking too Blue in print
> >>> -My blacks are too grey in print
> >>> +What should I use for my project?
> >>> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
> >>> -Pre-Press Considerations
> >>> -etc. etc.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others could
> >>> have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important
to
> >>> include
> >>> all the written and video materials together, so visitors do not have
> >>> to
> >>> visit different sections of the website to find the information they
> >>> are
> >>> after.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are
"official"
> >>>> tutorials.
> >>>> There was some talk a few months ago about building a Documentation
> >>>> team,
> >>>> and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a group
> >>>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more
> >>>> time.....I
> >>>> don't remember the exact details anymore).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
> >>> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved
> >>> previously
> >>> do not presently have the time.
> >>>
> >>>> I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so
> >>>> currently
> >>>> available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials
> >>>> with
> >>>> music
> >>>> background and no narration. I have never seen such a video that I
> >>>> found
> >>>> was helpful, in my opinion.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step, rather
> >>> than voiced over.
> >>> There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but I'd
> >>> like
> >>> to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and I'm
not
> >>> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> (You may notice there are probably less than 5
> >>>> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many
> >>>> worthwhile,
> >>>> that
> >>>> aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them ourselves.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series are
> >>>> still
> >>>> the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat
> >>>> dated).
> >>>> I
> >>>> think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there is
> >>>> some
> >>>> consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text tutorials.
> >>>> Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video
tutorials,
> >>>> more
> >>>> than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation
> >>> videos,
> >>> we will need more concise and much shorter videos with less banter,
> >>> and none
> >>> of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
> >>>
> >>> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials (the
> >>> bouncing
> >>>>
> >>>> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making
> >>>> tutorials.
> >>>> Has
> >>>> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the videos?
> >>>> (I
> >>>> haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit
> >>> (which
> >>> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will be
> >>> easier
> >>> to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen-captures, and
> >>> captioning).
> >>> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates are
> >>> the
> >>> ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the
> >>> tutorial
> >>> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these initial
> >>> steps
> >>> is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional
> >>> looking
> >>> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial sample
> >>> completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on
> >>> feedback.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for listening,
> >>>> brynn
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.
> >>>
> >>> -C
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>>> From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
> >>>> To: "Inkscape Devel List"
<inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
> >>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > _______________________________________________
> >>>> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
> >>>> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
> >>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list
> >>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
> >
1:55 a.m.
I'd rather use libre fonts where possible. Something that comes with a SIL,
Apache, or cc0 font license/rights waiver.
I don't want anything with attribution requirements. All materials, imho
should be libre so people are free and protected against other people suing
them for helping the Inkscape project. There is a true wealth of excellent
scripty fonts, and Roman-Caps serif fonts. I'll pick the closest matches
and maybe we can vote on it or something. :) If someone has a reason for
really wanting to use proprietary fonts, artwork, etc. for branding I
can... but I'd like to avoid it if at all possible.
-C
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Andler <scislac@...400...> wrote:
Per Jabier's reply, the branding folder contains a file that has
the
proper branding for the text elements. They're vector, so it should be
easy to work with. Obviously the newer logo is what should be used
(which you're already doing).
I don't recall what font was used for INKSCAPE, but it was a Pushkin
font that was used for Draw Freely.
http://www.paratype.com/pstore/fonts/pushkin.htm It was created by
someone with a license for the font, but it does raise the question
about how we feel about proprietary stuff used for our brand.
Cheers,
Josh
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> Thanks!
> And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style for writing
> "Draw Freely".
>
> This leaves me with some options:
>
> 1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite is the
one
> accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset for this?
I
> could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work.
>
> 2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If like to
do
> it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that pressure
> sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time being.
>
> 3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding stuff,
and
> if there isn't, start one. :)
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not, I'm tempted to
raid
> Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative.
>
> -C
>
> On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler" <scislac@...400...> wrote:
>>
>> Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your description),
>> but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw Freely" from the
about screen
>> should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking forward to
>> seeing the next iteration!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Josh
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>> > Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) )
>> > I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down with
some
>> > emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
>> > I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself, but
>> > ran
>> > out of time tonight.
>> > However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement:
>> >
>> >
>> >
www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
>> >
>> > The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw
Freely" will be
>> > scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
>> >
>> > Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has been a
>> > pleasant one. :)
>> >
>> > More soon.
>> >
>> > -C
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source
>> >> Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love!
:)
>> >>
>> >>
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds
like
>> >>>> people
>> >>>> are
>> >>>> ready to do this!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage.
>> >>> You're
>> >>> not late either, it's early times still. :)
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> (sorry, kind of long)
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Also never a problem. More information is better!
>> >>> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in
the
Inkscape
>> >>>> community. I've done some both intensive and extensive
searching
for
>> >>>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of
tutorials,
for
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted
to
>> >>>> provide).
>> >>>> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting
these
>> >>> resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they
will be
>> >>> quite
>> >>> useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in
terms
>> >>> of
>> >>> information content and possible linking from the finished
>> >>> documentation
>> >>> (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be
>> >>> good to
>> >>> have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org
website,
>> >>> one to
>> >>> a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of
>> >>> excellent
>> >>> community-done resources.
>> >>>
>> >>> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small
official
>> >>> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite
a
matter
>> >>> of
>> >>> preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even
my
>> >>> own
>> >>> preference changes depending on my moods, so having both available
is
>> >>> no bad
>> >>> thing.
>> >>>
>> >>> Official videos have manifold purpose:
>> >>>
>> >>> -They provide concise context-relevant information that we can
include
>> >>> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having
to
>> >>> google
>> >>> for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent
>> >>> learning in
>> >>> a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a
list
>> >>> of
>> >>> several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of
>> >>> repeating
>> >>> concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be
be
a
>> >>> lot of
>> >>> gap-filling as well.
>> >>>
>> >>> -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the
>> >>> professional image of the project, and is important for trust and
>> >>> provides a
>> >>> nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times
people
>> >>> posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even
though I
>> >>> reached
>> >>> these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it?
Users
>> >>> can
>> >>> spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users
think
>> >>> about
>> >>> their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across
possibly
>> >>> hundreds
>> >>> of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer,
on
>> >>> the
>> >>> spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
>> >>>
>> >>> -They are a resource under the project's control. One of the
>> >>> criticisms
>> >>> that our open source community faces is that information is
>> >>> scatter-shot,
>> >>> and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken
to
>> >>> the
>> >>> original content, or the content may only be available in some
>> >>> countries.
>> >>> Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most
people.
>> >>>
>> >>> -They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. This
is
>> >>> important not only for development purposes, but also for social
media
>> >>> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics
>> >>> conventions,
>> >>> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So
>> >>> thanks
>> >>> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)
>> >>>
>> >>> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional
resource
>> >>> for
>> >>> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a
must
>> >>> for a
>> >>> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more
>> >>> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there
are,
>> >>> the more
>> >>> eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as
well
>> >>> with
>> >>> each video, gaining the project more exposure.
>> >>>
>> >>> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for
>> >>> professional design workflows, as well as educate new users, and
ease
>> >>> the
>> >>> transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like
>> >>> Illustrator,
>> >>> you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able
to find
>> >>>> tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search
engine.
>> >>>> Nothing
>> >>>> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just
have
not
>> >>>> ventured outside of DA, in their search?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One
of the
>> >>> problems with video content is if you are looking for something
very
>> >>> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials,
>> >>> hoping
>> >>> they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more
>> >>> easily
>> >>> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant keywords.
The
>> >>> inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search
these
>> >>> keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also
recommend
an
>> >>> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click
down
>> >>> and
>> >>> feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know
what a
>> >>> feature
>> >>> is named).
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> For example, a piece of the tree could go:
>> >>>
>> >>> +Tools
>> >>> -Select and Transform Tool
>> >>> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
>> >>> +Tweak Objects Tool
>> >>> - Tool Overview
>> >>> - Using Different Modes
>> >>> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want
>> >>> + FAQ / Troubleshooting
>> >>> - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob?
>> >>> - It's only working on some objects, but not others
>> >>> - etc.
>> >>> -Zoom Tool
>> >>> -Measurement Tool
>> >>> -Rectangle/Square Tool
>> >>> -etc.
>> >>> -Working with Shapes
>> >>> -Working with Layers
>> >>> -Working with Groups
>> >>> -Selecting
>> >>> -Filters
>> >>> -Exporting
>> >>> +Using Colours
>> >>> -What is a colour space?
>> >>> -What is a colour system?
>> >>> +FAQ / Troubleshooting
>> >>> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh!
>> >>> -My greens are looking too Blue in print
>> >>> -My blacks are too grey in print
>> >>> +What should I use for my project?
>> >>> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
>> >>> -Pre-Press Considerations
>> >>> -etc. etc.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others
could
>> >>> have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's
important to
>> >>> include
>> >>> all the written and video materials together, so visitors do not
have
>> >>> to
>> >>> visit different sections of the website to find the information
they
>> >>> are
>> >>> after.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are
"official"
>> >>>> tutorials.
>> >>>> There was some talk a few months ago about building a
Documentation
>> >>>> team,
>> >>>> and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a
group
>> >>>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had
more
>> >>>> time.....I
>> >>>> don't remember the exact details anymore).
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
>> >>> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved
>> >>> previously
>> >>> do not presently have the time.
>> >>>
>> >>>> I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so
>> >>>> currently
>> >>>> available. But I have serious reservations about video
tutorials
>> >>>> with
>> >>>> music
>> >>>> background and no narration. I have never seen such a video
that I
>> >>>> found
>> >>>> was helpful, in my opinion.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step,
rather
>> >>> than voiced over.
>> >>> There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but
I'd
>> >>> like
>> >>> to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and
I'm
not
>> >>> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> (You may notice there are probably less than 5
>> >>>> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found
many
>> >>>> worthwhile,
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them
ourselves.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series
are
>> >>>> still
>> >>>> the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat
>> >>>> dated).
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> think they represent the standard we should strive for, if
there is
>> >>>> some
>> >>>> consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text
tutorials.
>> >>>> Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video
tutorials,
>> >>>> more
>> >>>> than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature
documentation
>> >>> videos,
>> >>> we will need more concise and much shorter videos with less
banter,
>> >>> and none
>> >>> of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
>> >>>
>> >>> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials
(the
>> >>> bouncing
>> >>>>
>> >>>> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of
making
>> >>>> tutorials.
>> >>>> Has
>> >>>> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the
videos?
>> >>>> (I
>> >>>> haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the
kit
>> >>> (which
>> >>> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will
be
>> >>> easier
>> >>> to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen-captures,
and
>> >>> captioning).
>> >>> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates
are
>> >>> the
>> >>> ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the
>> >>> tutorial
>> >>> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these
initial
>> >>> steps
>> >>> is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional
>> >>> looking
>> >>> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial
sample
>> >>> completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on
>> >>> feedback.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks for listening,
>> >>>> brynn
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.
>> >>>
>> >>> -C
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>>> From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...>
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
>> >>>> To: "Inkscape Devel List"
<inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
>> >>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
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>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > _______________________________________________
>> >>>> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
>> >>>> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>> >>>> >
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list
>> >>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
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>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>> >
1:59 a.m.
For those who have not seen Google's tremendously handy open font library,
you view/download it here:
https://www.google.com/fonts
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:55 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
I'd rather use libre fonts where possible. Something that comes
with a
SIL, Apache, or cc0 font license/rights waiver.
I don't want anything with attribution requirements. All materials, imho
should be libre so people are free and protected against other people suing
them for helping the Inkscape project. There is a true wealth of excellent
scripty fonts, and Roman-Caps serif fonts. I'll pick the closest matches
and maybe we can vote on it or something. :) If someone has a reason for
really wanting to use proprietary fonts, artwork, etc. for branding I
can... but I'd like to avoid it if at all possible.
-C
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Andler <scislac@...400...> wrote:
> Per Jabier's reply, the branding folder contains a file that has the
> proper branding for the text elements. They're vector, so it should be
> easy to work with. Obviously the newer logo is what should be used
> (which you're already doing).
>
> I don't recall what font was used for INKSCAPE, but it was a Pushkin
> font that was used for Draw Freely.
> http://www.paratype.com/pstore/fonts/pushkin.htm It was created by
> someone with a license for the font, but it does raise the question
> about how we feel about proprietary stuff used for our brand.
>
> Cheers,
> Josh
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> > Thanks!
> > And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style for writing
> > "Draw Freely".
> >
> > This leaves me with some options:
> >
> > 1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite is the
> one
> > accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset for
> this? I
> > could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work.
> >
> > 2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If like to
> do
> > it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that pressure
> > sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time being.
> >
> > 3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding stuff,
> and
> > if there isn't, start one. :)
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not, I'm tempted to
> raid
> > Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative.
> >
> > -C
> >
> > On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler" <scislac@...400...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your description),
> >> but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw Freely" from the
about screen
> >> should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking forward to
> >> seeing the next iteration!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Josh
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> >> > Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) )
> >> > I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down
with
> some
> >> > emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
> >> > I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself,
but
> >> > ran
> >> > out of time tonight.
> >> > However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
> >> >
> >> > The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw
Freely" will
> be
> >> > scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has
been
> a
> >> > pleasant one. :)
> >> >
> >> > More soon.
> >> >
> >> > -C
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source
> >> >> Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some
love! :)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...>
wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it
sounds like
> >> >>>> people
> >> >>>> are
> >> >>>> ready to do this!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any
stage.
> >> >>> You're
> >> >>> not late either, it's early times still. :)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> (sorry, kind of long)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Also never a problem. More information is better!
> >> >>> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials
in the
> Inkscape
> >> >>>> community. I've done some both intensive and extensive
searching
> for
> >> >>>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of
tutorials,
> for
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> community (something I saw lacking in the community, and
wanted to
> >> >>>> provide).
> >> >>>> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting
these
> >> >>> resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure
they will be
> >> >>> quite
> >> >>> useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in
> terms
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> information content and possible linking from the finished
> >> >>> documentation
> >> >>> (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also
be
> >> >>> good to
> >> >>> have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org
> website,
> >> >>> one to
> >> >>> a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set
of
> >> >>> excellent
> >> >>> community-done resources.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small
> official
> >> >>> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's
quite a
> matter
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial).
Even my
> >> >>> own
> >> >>> preference changes depending on my moods, so having both
available
> is
> >> >>> no bad
> >> >>> thing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Official videos have manifold purpose:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -They provide concise context-relevant information that we can
> include
> >> >>> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time
having to
> >> >>> google
> >> >>> for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be
spent
> >> >>> learning in
> >> >>> a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even
a
> list
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot
of
> >> >>> repeating
> >> >>> concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also
be
> be a
> >> >>> lot of
> >> >>> gap-filling as well.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to
the
> >> >>> professional image of the project, and is important for trust
and
> >> >>> provides a
> >> >>> nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many
times
> people
> >> >>> posting on the forums have been told to "google it"
(even though I
> >> >>> reached
> >> >>> these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google
it?
> Users
> >> >>> can
> >> >>> spend more time learning, and less time reading what other
users
> think
> >> >>> about
> >> >>> their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across
possibly
> >> >>> hundreds
> >> >>> of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an
answer,
> on
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -They are a resource under the project's control. One of
the
> >> >>> criticisms
> >> >>> that our open source community faces is that information is
> >> >>> scatter-shot,
> >> >>> and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be
broken
> to
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> original content, or the content may only be available in some
> >> >>> countries.
> >> >>> Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most
> people.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -They give us another opportunity to connect with more users.
This
> is
> >> >>> important not only for development purposes, but also for
social
> media
> >> >>> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics
> >> >>> conventions,
> >> >>> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw.
So
> >> >>> thanks
> >> >>> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional
> resource
> >> >>> for
> >> >>> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a
must
> >> >>> for a
> >> >>> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one
more
> >> >>> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there
are,
> >> >>> the more
> >> >>> eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as
well
> >> >>> with
> >> >>> each video, gaining the project more exposure.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for
> >> >>> professional design workflows, as well as educate new users,
and
> ease
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like
> >> >>> Illustrator,
> >> >>> you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being
able to find
> >> >>>> tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search
engine.
> >> >>>> Nothing
> >> >>>> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks
just have
> not
> >> >>>> ventured outside of DA, in their search?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos.
One of
> the
> >> >>> problems with video content is if you are looking for
something
> very
> >> >>> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete
tutorials,
> >> >>> hoping
> >> >>> they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved
more
> >> >>> easily
> >> >>> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant
keywords.
> The
> >> >>> inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to
search
> these
> >> >>> keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also
> recommend an
> >> >>> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to
click
> down
> >> >>> and
> >> >>> feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't
know what a
> >> >>> feature
> >> >>> is named).
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> For example, a piece of the tree could go:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> +Tools
> >> >>> -Select and Transform Tool
> >> >>> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
> >> >>> +Tweak Objects Tool
> >> >>> - Tool Overview
> >> >>> - Using Different Modes
> >> >>> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you
want
> >> >>> + FAQ / Troubleshooting
> >> >>> - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob?
> >> >>> - It's only working on some objects, but not
others
> >> >>> - etc.
> >> >>> -Zoom Tool
> >> >>> -Measurement Tool
> >> >>> -Rectangle/Square Tool
> >> >>> -etc.
> >> >>> -Working with Shapes
> >> >>> -Working with Layers
> >> >>> -Working with Groups
> >> >>> -Selecting
> >> >>> -Filters
> >> >>> -Exporting
> >> >>> +Using Colours
> >> >>> -What is a colour space?
> >> >>> -What is a colour system?
> >> >>> +FAQ / Troubleshooting
> >> >>> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh!
> >> >>> -My greens are looking too Blue in print
> >> >>> -My blacks are too grey in print
> >> >>> +What should I use for my project?
> >> >>> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
> >> >>> -Pre-Press Considerations
> >> >>> -etc. etc.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos.
Others
> could
> >> >>> have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's
important
> to
> >> >>> include
> >> >>> all the written and video materials together, so visitors do
not
> have
> >> >>> to
> >> >>> visit different sections of the website to find the
information
> they
> >> >>> are
> >> >>> after.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are
"official"
> >> >>>> tutorials.
> >> >>>> There was some talk a few months ago about building a
> Documentation
> >> >>>> team,
> >> >>>> and I would certainly look forward to participating in such
a
> group
> >> >>>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone
had more
> >> >>>> time.....I
> >> >>>> don't remember the exact details anymore).
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
> >> >>> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved
> >> >>> previously
> >> >>> do not presently have the time.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or
so
> >> >>>> currently
> >> >>>> available. But I have serious reservations about video
tutorials
> >> >>>> with
> >> >>>> music
> >> >>>> background and no narration. I have never seen such a
video that
> I
> >> >>>> found
> >> >>>> was helpful, in my opinion.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> There will be narration, it will just be textual,
step-by-step,
> rather
> >> >>> than voiced over.
> >> >>> There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but
I'd
> >> >>> like
> >> >>> to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and
I'm
> not
> >> >>> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> (You may notice there are probably less than 5
> >> >>>> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't
found many
> >> >>>> worthwhile,
> >> >>>> that
> >> >>>> aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them
> ourselves.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin)
series
> are
> >> >>>> still
> >> >>>> the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now
somewhat
> >> >>>> dated).
> >> >>>> I
> >> >>>> think they represent the standard we should strive for, if
there
> is
> >> >>>> some
> >> >>>> consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text
> tutorials.
> >> >>>> Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for
video
> tutorials,
> >> >>>> more
> >> >>>> than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature
documentation
> >> >>> videos,
> >> >>> we will need more concise and much shorter videos with less
banter,
> >> >>> and none
> >> >>> of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials
(the
> >> >>> bouncing
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of
making
> >> >>>> tutorials.
> >> >>>> Has
> >> >>>> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the
videos?
> >> >>>> (I
> >> >>>> haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have
the kit
> >> >>> (which
> >> >>> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it
will be
> >> >>> easier
> >> >>> to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts
(screen-captures,
> and
> >> >>> captioning).
> >> >>> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and
templates
> are
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> ground-work for a professional video series. They will make
the
> >> >>> tutorial
> >> >>> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these
> initial
> >> >>> steps
> >> >>> is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick,
professional
> >> >>> looking
> >> >>> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial
sample
> >> >>> completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based
on
> >> >>> feedback.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thanks for listening,
> >> >>>> brynn
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -C
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> --------------------------------------------------
> >> >>>> From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...>
> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
> >> >>>> To: "Inkscape Devel List"
<inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
> >> >>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> > _______________________________________________
> >> >>>> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
> >> >>>> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
> >> >>>> >
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >> >>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list
> >> >>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
> >> >>>>
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
> >> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
> >> >
>
7:31 a.m.
Had to help save a baby squirrel tonight, but did manage to make some
progress despite the time-sink. Based on the feedback, here are some
changes to the animation (no sound just yet though).
http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation...
Enjoy.
-C
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:59 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
For those who have not seen Google's tremendously handy open font
library,
you view/download it here:
https://www.google.com/fonts
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:55 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> I'd rather use libre fonts where possible. Something that comes with a
> SIL, Apache, or cc0 font license/rights waiver.
> I don't want anything with attribution requirements. All materials, imho
> should be libre so people are free and protected against other people suing
> them for helping the Inkscape project. There is a true wealth of excellent
> scripty fonts, and Roman-Caps serif fonts. I'll pick the closest matches
> and maybe we can vote on it or something. :) If someone has a reason for
> really wanting to use proprietary fonts, artwork, etc. for branding I
> can... but I'd like to avoid it if at all possible.
>
> -C
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Andler <scislac@...400...> wrote:
>
>> Per Jabier's reply, the branding folder contains a file that has the
>> proper branding for the text elements. They're vector, so it should be
>> easy to work with. Obviously the newer logo is what should be used
>> (which you're already doing).
>>
>> I don't recall what font was used for INKSCAPE, but it was a Pushkin
>> font that was used for Draw Freely.
>> http://www.paratype.com/pstore/fonts/pushkin.htm It was created by
>> someone with a license for the font, but it does raise the question
>> about how we feel about proprietary stuff used for our brand.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Josh
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>> > Thanks!
>> > And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style for writing
>> > "Draw Freely".
>> >
>> > This leaves me with some options:
>> >
>> > 1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite is
>> the one
>> > accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset for
>> this? I
>> > could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work.
>> >
>> > 2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If like
>> to do
>> > it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that pressure
>> > sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time being.
>> >
>> > 3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding stuff,
>> and
>> > if there isn't, start one. :)
>> >
>> > Any thoughts?
>> >
>> > Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not, I'm tempted
>> to raid
>> > Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative.
>> >
>> > -C
>> >
>> > On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler" <scislac@...400...>
wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your description),
>> >> but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw Freely" from
the about screen
>> >> should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking forward to
>> >> seeing the next iteration!
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Josh
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>> >> > Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) )
>> >> > I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down
with
>> some
>> >> > emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
>> >> > I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded
myself,
>> but
>> >> > ran
>> >> > out of time tonight.
>> >> > However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night
amusement:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
>> >> >
>> >> > The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and
"Draw Freely" will
>> be
>> >> > scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend
has
>> been a
>> >> > pleasant one. :)
>> >> >
>> >> > More soon.
>> >> >
>> >> > -C
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...>
wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open
Source
>> >> >> Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some
love!
>> :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...>
wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it
sounds like
>> >> >>>> people
>> >> >>>> are
>> >> >>>> ready to do this!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any
stage.
>> >> >>> You're
>> >> >>> not late either, it's early times still. :)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> (sorry, kind of long)
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Also never a problem. More information is better!
>> >> >>> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of
tutorials in the
>> Inkscape
>> >> >>>> community. I've done some both intensive and
extensive
>> searching for
>> >> >>>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of
>> tutorials, for
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> community (something I saw lacking in the community,
and wanted
>> to
>> >> >>>> provide).
>> >> >>>> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and
vetting
>> these
>> >> >>> resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm
sure they will
>> be
>> >> >>> quite
>> >> >>> useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but
in
>> terms
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> information content and possible linking from the finished
>> >> >>> documentation
>> >> >>> (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may
also be
>> >> >>> good to
>> >> >>> have two video sections that link off the main
Inkscape.org
>> website,
>> >> >>> one to
>> >> >>> a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing
set of
>> >> >>> excellent
>> >> >>> community-done resources.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have
small
>> official
>> >> >>> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's
quite a
>> matter
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial).
Even
>> my
>> >> >>> own
>> >> >>> preference changes depending on my moods, so having both
>> available is
>> >> >>> no bad
>> >> >>> thing.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Official videos have manifold purpose:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -They provide concise context-relevant information that we
can
>> include
>> >> >>> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time
having
>> to
>> >> >>> google
>> >> >>> for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be
spent
>> >> >>> learning in
>> >> >>> a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from
even a
>> list
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a
lot of
>> >> >>> repeating
>> >> >>> concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will
also be
>> be a
>> >> >>> lot of
>> >> >>> gap-filling as well.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to
the
>> >> >>> professional image of the project, and is important for
trust and
>> >> >>> provides a
>> >> >>> nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how
many times
>> people
>> >> >>> posting on the forums have been told to "google
it" (even though I
>> >> >>> reached
>> >> >>> these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to
google it?
>> Users
>> >> >>> can
>> >> >>> spend more time learning, and less time reading what other
users
>> think
>> >> >>> about
>> >> >>> their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours
across possibly
>> >> >>> hundreds
>> >> >>> of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an
answer,
>> on
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -They are a resource under the project's control. One
of the
>> >> >>> criticisms
>> >> >>> that our open source community faces is that information
is
>> >> >>> scatter-shot,
>> >> >>> and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be
broken
>> to
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> original content, or the content may only be available in
some
>> >> >>> countries.
>> >> >>> Having control over our content ensures we can reach the
most
>> people.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -They give us another opportunity to connect with more
users.
>> This is
>> >> >>> important not only for development purposes, but also for
social
>> media
>> >> >>> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at
graphics
>> >> >>> conventions,
>> >> >>> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape,
btw. So
>> >> >>> thanks
>> >> >>> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for
me!)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a
professional
>> resource
>> >> >>> for
>> >> >>> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos
are a
>> must
>> >> >>> for a
>> >> >>> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one
more
>> >> >>> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them
there
>> are,
>> >> >>> the more
>> >> >>> eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords
as
>> well
>> >> >>> with
>> >> >>> each video, gaining the project more exposure.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices
for
>> >> >>> professional design workflows, as well as educate new
users, and
>> ease
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like
>> >> >>> Illustrator,
>> >> >>> you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not
being able to
>> find
>> >> >>>> tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet
search engine.
>> >> >>>> Nothing
>> >> >>>> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks
just
>> have not
>> >> >>>> ventured outside of DA, in their search?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant
videos. One of
>> the
>> >> >>> problems with video content is if you are looking for
something
>> very
>> >> >>> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete
tutorials,
>> >> >>> hoping
>> >> >>> they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is
solved more
>> >> >>> easily
>> >> >>> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant
>> keywords. The
>> >> >>> inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to
search
>> these
>> >> >>> keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also
>> recommend an
>> >> >>> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to
click
>> down
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't
know what
>> a
>> >> >>> feature
>> >> >>> is named).
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> For example, a piece of the tree could go:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> +Tools
>> >> >>> -Select and Transform Tool
>> >> >>> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
>> >> >>> +Tweak Objects Tool
>> >> >>> - Tool Overview
>> >> >>> - Using Different Modes
>> >> >>> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects
you want
>> >> >>> + FAQ / Troubleshooting
>> >> >>> - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob?
>> >> >>> - It's only working on some objects, but not
others
>> >> >>> - etc.
>> >> >>> -Zoom Tool
>> >> >>> -Measurement Tool
>> >> >>> -Rectangle/Square Tool
>> >> >>> -etc.
>> >> >>> -Working with Shapes
>> >> >>> -Working with Layers
>> >> >>> -Working with Groups
>> >> >>> -Selecting
>> >> >>> -Filters
>> >> >>> -Exporting
>> >> >>> +Using Colours
>> >> >>> -What is a colour space?
>> >> >>> -What is a colour system?
>> >> >>> +FAQ / Troubleshooting
>> >> >>> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file,
arrrgh!
>> >> >>> -My greens are looking too Blue in print
>> >> >>> -My blacks are too grey in print
>> >> >>> +What should I use for my project?
>> >> >>> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
>> >> >>> -Pre-Press Considerations
>> >> >>> -etc. etc.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos.
Others
>> could
>> >> >>> have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's
important
>> to
>> >> >>> include
>> >> >>> all the written and video materials together, so visitors
do not
>> have
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> visit different sections of the website to find the
information
>> they
>> >> >>> are
>> >> >>> after.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there
are "official"
>> >> >>>> tutorials.
>> >> >>>> There was some talk a few months ago about building a
>> Documentation
>> >> >>>> team,
>> >> >>>> and I would certainly look forward to participating in
such a
>> group
>> >> >>>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen when
someone had more
>> >> >>>> time.....I
>> >> >>>> don't remember the exact details anymore).
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
>> >> >>> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those
involved
>> >> >>> previously
>> >> >>> do not presently have the time.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the
6 or so
>> >> >>>> currently
>> >> >>>> available. But I have serious reservations about video
tutorials
>> >> >>>> with
>> >> >>>> music
>> >> >>>> background and no narration. I have never seen such a
video
>> that I
>> >> >>>> found
>> >> >>>> was helpful, in my opinion.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> There will be narration, it will just be textual,
step-by-step,
>> rather
>> >> >>> than voiced over.
>> >> >>> There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs,
but
>> I'd
>> >> >>> like
>> >> >>> to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible,
and
>> I'm not
>> >> >>> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> (You may notice there are probably less than 5
>> >> >>>> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I
haven't found many
>> >> >>>> worthwhile,
>> >> >>>> that
>> >> >>>> aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing
them
>> ourselves.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard
Querrin) series
>> are
>> >> >>>> still
>> >> >>>> the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now
somewhat
>> >> >>>> dated).
>> >> >>>> I
>> >> >>>> think they represent the standard we should strive for,
if there
>> is
>> >> >>>> some
>> >> >>>> consensus that video tutorials are needed more that
text
>> tutorials.
>> >> >>>> Although I haven't seen any indication of a need
for video
>> tutorials,
>> >> >>>> more
>> >> >>>> than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature
documentation
>> >> >>> videos,
>> >> >>> we will need more concise and much shorter videos with
less
>> banter,
>> >> >>> and none
>> >> >>> of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the
tutorials
>> (the
>> >> >>> bouncing
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part
of making
>> >> >>>> tutorials.
>> >> >>>> Has
>> >> >>>> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of
the
>> videos?
>> >> >>>> (I
>> >> >>>> haven't finished with reading the whole thread
yet.)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we
have the kit
>> >> >>> (which
>> >> >>> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it
will
>> be
>> >> >>> easier
>> >> >>> to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts
>> (screen-captures, and
>> >> >>> captioning).
>> >> >>> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and
templates
>> are
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> ground-work for a professional video series. They will make
the
>> >> >>> tutorial
>> >> >>> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of
these
>> initial
>> >> >>> steps
>> >> >>> is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick,
professional
>> >> >>> looking
>> >> >>> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the
initial
>> sample
>> >> >>> completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit
based on
>> >> >>> feedback.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Thanks for listening,
>> >> >>>> brynn
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help
tremendously.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -C
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>>> From: "Martin Owens"
<doctormo@...400...>
>> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
>> >> >>>> To: "Inkscape Devel List"
<inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
>> >> >>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> > _______________________________________________
>> >> >>>> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
>> >> >>>> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>> >> >>>> >
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list
>> >> >>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>> >> >>>>
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
>> >> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>> >> >
>>
>
>
7:35 a.m.
Actually, now that I've uploaded it, I'm not actually to keen on the shape
of it. Think I'll make it symmetrical, and use the curve just to indicate
movement. It just looks strange sitting there motionless, with the curve in
it like that. :P
Ah well. Tomorrow's another day.
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:31 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Had to help save a baby squirrel tonight, but did manage to make
some
progress despite the time-sink. Based on the feedback, here are some
changes to the animation (no sound just yet though).
http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation...
Enjoy.
-C
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:59 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> For those who have not seen Google's tremendously handy open font
> library, you view/download it here:
> https://www.google.com/fonts
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:55 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>
>> I'd rather use libre fonts where possible. Something that comes with a
>> SIL, Apache, or cc0 font license/rights waiver.
>> I don't want anything with attribution requirements. All materials, imho
>> should be libre so people are free and protected against other people suing
>> them for helping the Inkscape project. There is a true wealth of excellent
>> scripty fonts, and Roman-Caps serif fonts. I'll pick the closest matches
>> and maybe we can vote on it or something. :) If someone has a reason for
>> really wanting to use proprietary fonts, artwork, etc. for branding I
>> can... but I'd like to avoid it if at all possible.
>>
>> -C
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Andler <scislac@...400...> wrote:
>>
>>> Per Jabier's reply, the branding folder contains a file that has the
>>> proper branding for the text elements. They're vector, so it should be
>>> easy to work with. Obviously the newer logo is what should be used
>>> (which you're already doing).
>>>
>>> I don't recall what font was used for INKSCAPE, but it was a Pushkin
>>> font that was used for Draw Freely.
>>> http://www.paratype.com/pstore/fonts/pushkin.htm It was created by
>>> someone with a license for the font, but it does raise the question
>>> about how we feel about proprietary stuff used for our brand.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Josh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>> > Thanks!
>>> > And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style for
>>> writing
>>> > "Draw Freely".
>>> >
>>> > This leaves me with some options:
>>> >
>>> > 1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite is
>>> the one
>>> > accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset for
>>> this? I
>>> > could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work.
>>> >
>>> > 2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If like
>>> to do
>>> > it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that pressure
>>> > sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time being.
>>> >
>>> > 3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding
>>> stuff, and
>>> > if there isn't, start one. :)
>>> >
>>> > Any thoughts?
>>> >
>>> > Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not, I'm
tempted
>>> to raid
>>> > Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative.
>>> >
>>> > -C
>>> >
>>> > On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler" <scislac@...400...>
wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your
description),
>>> >> but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw Freely"
from the about screen
>>> >> should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking forward to
>>> >> seeing the next iteration!
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> Josh
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...>
wrote:
>>> >> > Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;)
)
>>> >> > I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged
down
>>> with some
>>> >> > emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
>>> >> > I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded
myself,
>>> but
>>> >> > ran
>>> >> > out of time tonight.
>>> >> > However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night
>>> amusement:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and
"Draw Freely"
>>> will be
>>> >> > scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend
has
>>> been a
>>> >> > pleasant one. :)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > More soon.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -C
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...>
wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open
Source
>>> >> >> Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them
some love!
>>> :)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R
<cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I
guess it sounds like
>>> >> >>>> people
>>> >> >>>> are
>>> >> >>>> ready to do this!
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at
any stage.
>>> >> >>> You're
>>> >> >>> not late either, it's early times still. :)
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> (sorry, kind of long)
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Also never a problem. More information is better!
>>> >> >>> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of
tutorials in the
>>> Inkscape
>>> >> >>>> community. I've done some both intensive and
extensive
>>> searching for
>>> >> >>>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source
of
>>> tutorials, for
>>> >> >>>> the
>>> >> >>>> community (something I saw lacking in the
community, and wanted
>>> to
>>> >> >>>> provide).
>>> >> >>>> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and
vetting
>>> these
>>> >> >>> resources! :) I'll have a look through these,
I'm sure they will
>>> be
>>> >> >>> quite
>>> >> >>> useful not only in determining the best way to proceed,
but in
>>> terms
>>> >> >>> of
>>> >> >>> information content and possible linking from the
finished
>>> >> >>> documentation
>>> >> >>> (pending approval from the parties that made them). It
may also
>>> be
>>> >> >>> good to
>>> >> >>> have two video sections that link off the main
Inkscape.org
>>> website,
>>> >> >>> one to
>>> >> >>> a set of official tutorials, and the other to the
growing set of
>>> >> >>> excellent
>>> >> >>> community-done resources.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have
small
>>> official
>>> >> >>> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that
it's quite a
>>> matter
>>> >> >>> of
>>> >> >>> preference which people prefer (written or video
tutorial). Even
>>> my
>>> >> >>> own
>>> >> >>> preference changes depending on my moods, so having
both
>>> available is
>>> >> >>> no bad
>>> >> >>> thing.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Official videos have manifold purpose:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> -They provide concise context-relevant information that
we can
>>> include
>>> >> >>> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves
time having
>>> to
>>> >> >>> google
>>> >> >>> for videos of the information at hand, so more time can
be spent
>>> >> >>> learning in
>>> >> >>> a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get
from even
>>> a list
>>> >> >>> of
>>> >> >>> several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be
a lot of
>>> >> >>> repeating
>>> >> >>> concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there
will also be
>>> be a
>>> >> >>> lot of
>>> >> >>> gap-filling as well.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which
adds to the
>>> >> >>> professional image of the project, and is important for
trust and
>>> >> >>> provides a
>>> >> >>> nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how
many times
>>> people
>>> >> >>> posting on the forums have been told to "google
it" (even though
>>> I
>>> >> >>> reached
>>> >> >>> these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to
google it?
>>> Users
>>> >> >>> can
>>> >> >>> spend more time learning, and less time reading what
other users
>>> think
>>> >> >>> about
>>> >> >>> their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours
across possibly
>>> >> >>> hundreds
>>> >> >>> of comments). We are in the unique position to provide
an
>>> answer, on
>>> >> >>> the
>>> >> >>> spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> -They are a resource under the project's control.
One of the
>>> >> >>> criticisms
>>> >> >>> that our open source community faces is that
information is
>>> >> >>> scatter-shot,
>>> >> >>> and you may not be able to find resources, or links may
be
>>> broken to
>>> >> >>> the
>>> >> >>> original content, or the content may only be available
in some
>>> >> >>> countries.
>>> >> >>> Having control over our content ensures we can reach
the most
>>> people.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> -They give us another opportunity to connect with more
users.
>>> This is
>>> >> >>> important not only for development purposes, but also
for social
>>> media
>>> >> >>> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at
graphics
>>> >> >>> conventions,
>>> >> >>> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in
Inkscape, btw. So
>>> >> >>> thanks
>>> >> >>> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for
me!)
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a
professional
>>> resource
>>> >> >>> for
>>> >> >>> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out
videos are a
>>> must
>>> >> >>> for a
>>> >> >>> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one
one more
>>> >> >>> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of
them there
>>> are,
>>> >> >>> the more
>>> >> >>> eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search
keywords as
>>> well
>>> >> >>> with
>>> >> >>> each video, gaining the project more exposure.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best
practices for
>>> >> >>> professional design workflows, as well as educate new
users, and
>>> ease
>>> >> >>> the
>>> >> >>> transition from commercial software packages. (If you
Like
>>> >> >>> Illustrator,
>>> >> >>> you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not
being able to
>>> find
>>> >> >>>> tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet
search engine.
>>> >> >>>> Nothing
>>> >> >>>> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those
folks just
>>> have not
>>> >> >>>> ventured outside of DA, in their search?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant
videos. One of
>>> the
>>> >> >>> problems with video content is if you are looking for
something
>>> very
>>> >> >>> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of
complete
>>> tutorials,
>>> >> >>> hoping
>>> >> >>> they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is
solved
>>> more
>>> >> >>> easily
>>> >> >>> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all
relevant
>>> keywords. The
>>> >> >>> inkscape.org website should also contain a search box
to search
>>> these
>>> >> >>> keywords in our own collection of official videos. I
also
>>> recommend an
>>> >> >>> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way
to click
>>> down
>>> >> >>> and
>>> >> >>> feel out what you are searching for (handy if you
don't know
>>> what a
>>> >> >>> feature
>>> >> >>> is named).
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> For example, a piece of the tree could go:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> +Tools
>>> >> >>> -Select and Transform Tool
>>> >> >>> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
>>> >> >>> +Tweak Objects Tool
>>> >> >>> - Tool Overview
>>> >> >>> - Using Different Modes
>>> >> >>> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the
effects you want
>>> >> >>> + FAQ / Troubleshooting
>>> >> >>> - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a
glob?
>>> >> >>> - It's only working on some objects, but
not others
>>> >> >>> - etc.
>>> >> >>> -Zoom Tool
>>> >> >>> -Measurement Tool
>>> >> >>> -Rectangle/Square Tool
>>> >> >>> -etc.
>>> >> >>> -Working with Shapes
>>> >> >>> -Working with Layers
>>> >> >>> -Working with Groups
>>> >> >>> -Selecting
>>> >> >>> -Filters
>>> >> >>> -Exporting
>>> >> >>> +Using Colours
>>> >> >>> -What is a colour space?
>>> >> >>> -What is a colour system?
>>> >> >>> +FAQ / Troubleshooting
>>> >> >>> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file,
arrrgh!
>>> >> >>> -My greens are looking too Blue in print
>>> >> >>> -My blacks are too grey in print
>>> >> >>> +What should I use for my project?
>>> >> >>> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
>>> >> >>> -Pre-Press Considerations
>>> >> >>> -etc. etc.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Note that only certain branches of the tree need
videos. Others
>>> could
>>> >> >>> have a quick animated gif with a text explanation.
It's
>>> important to
>>> >> >>> include
>>> >> >>> all the written and video materials together, so
visitors do not
>>> have
>>> >> >>> to
>>> >> >>> visit different sections of the website to find the
information
>>> they
>>> >> >>> are
>>> >> >>> after.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Nevertheless, I do think it's important that
there are
>>> "official"
>>> >> >>>> tutorials.
>>> >> >>>> There was some talk a few months ago about building
a
>>> Documentation
>>> >> >>>> team,
>>> >> >>>> and I would certainly look forward to participating
in such a
>>> group
>>> >> >>>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen when
someone had
>>> more
>>> >> >>>> time.....I
>>> >> >>>> don't remember the exact details anymore).
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
>>> >> >>> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those
involved
>>> >> >>> previously
>>> >> >>> do not presently have the time.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than
the 6 or so
>>> >> >>>> currently
>>> >> >>>> available. But I have serious reservations about
video
>>> tutorials
>>> >> >>>> with
>>> >> >>>> music
>>> >> >>>> background and no narration. I have never seen
such a video
>>> that I
>>> >> >>>> found
>>> >> >>>> was helpful, in my opinion.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> There will be narration, it will just be textual,
step-by-step,
>>> rather
>>> >> >>> than voiced over.
>>> >> >>> There is nothing preventing people from adding voice
overs, but
>>> I'd
>>> >> >>> like
>>> >> >>> to start cranking out as many of these videos as
possible, and
>>> I'm not
>>> >> >>> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> (You may notice there are probably less than 5
>>> >> >>>> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I
haven't found many
>>> >> >>>> worthwhile,
>>> >> >>>> that
>>> >> >>>> aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing
them
>>> ourselves.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard
Querrin) series
>>> are
>>> >> >>>> still
>>> >> >>>> the best video tutorials around, imo (even though
now somewhat
>>> >> >>>> dated).
>>> >> >>>> I
>>> >> >>>> think they represent the standard we should strive
for, if
>>> there is
>>> >> >>>> some
>>> >> >>>> consensus that video tutorials are needed more that
text
>>> tutorials.
>>> >> >>>> Although I haven't seen any indication of a
need for video
>>> tutorials,
>>> >> >>>> more
>>> >> >>>> than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature
documentation
>>> >> >>> videos,
>>> >> >>> we will need more concise and much shorter videos with
less
>>> banter,
>>> >> >>> and none
>>> >> >>> of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the
tutorials
>>> (the
>>> >> >>> bouncing
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun
part of making
>>> >> >>>> tutorials.
>>> >> >>>> Has
>>> >> >>>> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part
of the
>>> videos?
>>> >> >>>> (I
>>> >> >>>> haven't finished with reading the whole thread
yet.)
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once
we have the kit
>>> >> >>> (which
>>> >> >>> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption
overlay), it will
>>> be
>>> >> >>> easier
>>> >> >>> to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts
>>> (screen-captures, and
>>> >> >>> captioning).
>>> >> >>> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format
and
>>> templates are
>>> >> >>> the
>>> >> >>> ground-work for a professional video series. They will
make the
>>> >> >>> tutorial
>>> >> >>> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of
these
>>> initial
>>> >> >>> steps
>>> >> >>> is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick,
professional
>>> >> >>> looking
>>> >> >>> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the
initial
>>> sample
>>> >> >>> completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a
bit based
>>> on
>>> >> >>> feedback.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Thanks for listening,
>>> >> >>>> brynn
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help
tremendously.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> -C
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> >> >>>> From: "Martin Owens"
<doctormo@...400...>
>>> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
>>> >> >>>> To: "Inkscape Devel List"
<inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>> >
>>> >> >>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> >
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >
_______________________________________________
>>> >> >>>> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
>>> >> >>>> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>> >> >>>> >
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >> >>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list
>>> >> >>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>> >> >>>>
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >> >
>>> >> > _______________________________________________
>>> >> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
>>> >> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>> >> >
>>>
>>
>>
>
5:56 a.m.
There, that's a bit better:
http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation...
Time to add the sound and text!
-C
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Actually, now that I've uploaded it, I'm not actually to keen
on the shape
of it. Think I'll make it symmetrical, and use the curve just to indicate
movement. It just looks strange sitting there motionless, with the curve in
it like that. :P
Ah well. Tomorrow's another day.
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:31 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> Had to help save a baby squirrel tonight, but did manage to make some
> progress despite the time-sink. Based on the feedback, here are some
> changes to the animation (no sound just yet though).
>
>
> http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation...
>
> Enjoy.
>
> -C
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:59 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>
>> For those who have not seen Google's tremendously handy open font
>> library, you view/download it here:
>> https://www.google.com/fonts
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:55 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd rather use libre fonts where possible. Something that comes with a
>>> SIL, Apache, or cc0 font license/rights waiver.
>>> I don't want anything with attribution requirements. All materials,
>>> imho should be libre so people are free and protected against other people
>>> suing them for helping the Inkscape project. There is a true wealth of
>>> excellent scripty fonts, and Roman-Caps serif fonts. I'll pick the
closest
>>> matches and maybe we can vote on it or something. :) If someone has a
>>> reason for really wanting to use proprietary fonts, artwork, etc. for
>>> branding I can... but I'd like to avoid it if at all possible.
>>>
>>> -C
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Andler <scislac@...400...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Per Jabier's reply, the branding folder contains a file that has the
>>>> proper branding for the text elements. They're vector, so it should
be
>>>> easy to work with. Obviously the newer logo is what should be used
>>>> (which you're already doing).
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall what font was used for INKSCAPE, but it was a Pushkin
>>>> font that was used for Draw Freely.
>>>> http://www.paratype.com/pstore/fonts/pushkin.htm It was created by
>>>> someone with a license for the font, but it does raise the question
>>>> about how we feel about proprietary stuff used for our brand.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Josh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>>> > Thanks!
>>>> > And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style for
>>>> writing
>>>> > "Draw Freely".
>>>> >
>>>> > This leaves me with some options:
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite is
>>>> the one
>>>> > accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset for
>>>> this? I
>>>> > could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work.
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If
like
>>>> to do
>>>> > it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that pressure
>>>> > sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time being.
>>>> >
>>>> > 3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding
>>>> stuff, and
>>>> > if there isn't, start one. :)
>>>> >
>>>> > Any thoughts?
>>>> >
>>>> > Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not, I'm
tempted
>>>> to raid
>>>> > Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative.
>>>> >
>>>> > -C
>>>> >
>>>> > On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler"
<scislac@...400...> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your
description),
>>>> >> but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw
Freely" from the about
>>>> screen
>>>> >> should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking forward
to
>>>> >> seeing the next iteration!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>> >> Josh
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...>
wrote:
>>>> >> > Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking
;) )
>>>> >> > I've almost completed the intro animation, but got
bogged down
>>>> with some
>>>> >> > emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
>>>> >> > I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've
recorded myself,
>>>> but
>>>> >> > ran
>>>> >> > out of time tonight.
>>>> >> > However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night
>>>> amusement:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>>
www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and
"Draw Freely"
>>>> will be
>>>> >> > scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective
weekend has
>>>> been a
>>>> >> > pleasant one. :)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > More soon.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > -C
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R
<cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig
Open
>>>> Source
>>>> >> >> Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show
them some
>>>> love! :)
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R
<cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I
guess it sounds like
>>>> >> >>>> people
>>>> >> >>>> are
>>>> >> >>>> ready to do this!
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> This will be an ongoing project, so input is great
at any stage.
>>>> >> >>> You're
>>>> >> >>> not late either, it's early times still. :)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> (sorry, kind of long)
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Also never a problem. More information is better!
>>>> >> >>> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your
advise!
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of
tutorials in the
>>>> Inkscape
>>>> >> >>>> community. I've done some both intensive
and extensive
>>>> searching for
>>>> >> >>>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized
source of
>>>> tutorials, for
>>>> >> >>>> the
>>>> >> >>>> community (something I saw lacking in the
community, and
>>>> wanted to
>>>> >> >>>> provide).
>>>> >> >>>> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting
and vetting
>>>> these
>>>> >> >>> resources! :) I'll have a look through these,
I'm sure they
>>>> will be
>>>> >> >>> quite
>>>> >> >>> useful not only in determining the best way to
proceed, but in
>>>> terms
>>>> >> >>> of
>>>> >> >>> information content and possible linking from the
finished
>>>> >> >>> documentation
>>>> >> >>> (pending approval from the parties that made them).
It may also
>>>> be
>>>> >> >>> good to
>>>> >> >>> have two video sections that link off the main
Inkscape.org
>>>> website,
>>>> >> >>> one to
>>>> >> >>> a set of official tutorials, and the other to the
growing set of
>>>> >> >>> excellent
>>>> >> >>> community-done resources.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to
have small
>>>> official
>>>> >> >>> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that
it's quite a
>>>> matter
>>>> >> >>> of
>>>> >> >>> preference which people prefer (written or video
tutorial).
>>>> Even my
>>>> >> >>> own
>>>> >> >>> preference changes depending on my moods, so having
both
>>>> available is
>>>> >> >>> no bad
>>>> >> >>> thing.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Official videos have manifold purpose:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -They provide concise context-relevant information
that we can
>>>> include
>>>> >> >>> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This
saves time
>>>> having to
>>>> >> >>> google
>>>> >> >>> for videos of the information at hand, so more time
can be spent
>>>> >> >>> learning in
>>>> >> >>> a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to
get from even
>>>> a list
>>>> >> >>> of
>>>> >> >>> several thousand user-contributed videos. There
will be a lot of
>>>> >> >>> repeating
>>>> >> >>> concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there
will also
>>>> be be a
>>>> >> >>> lot of
>>>> >> >>> gap-filling as well.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which
adds to the
>>>> >> >>> professional image of the project, and is important
for trust
>>>> and
>>>> >> >>> provides a
>>>> >> >>> nicer experience for new users. I've lost count
how many times
>>>> people
>>>> >> >>> posting on the forums have been told to
"google it" (even
>>>> though I
>>>> >> >>> reached
>>>> >> >>> these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have
to google
>>>> it? Users
>>>> >> >>> can
>>>> >> >>> spend more time learning, and less time reading
what other
>>>> users think
>>>> >> >>> about
>>>> >> >>> their issue on forums (that's time saved in
hours across
>>>> possibly
>>>> >> >>> hundreds
>>>> >> >>> of comments). We are in the unique position to
provide an
>>>> answer, on
>>>> >> >>> the
>>>> >> >>> spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -They are a resource under the project's
control. One of the
>>>> >> >>> criticisms
>>>> >> >>> that our open source community faces is that
information is
>>>> >> >>> scatter-shot,
>>>> >> >>> and you may not be able to find resources, or links
may be
>>>> broken to
>>>> >> >>> the
>>>> >> >>> original content, or the content may only be
available in some
>>>> >> >>> countries.
>>>> >> >>> Having control over our content ensures we can
reach the most
>>>> people.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -They give us another opportunity to connect with
more users.
>>>> This is
>>>> >> >>> important not only for development purposes, but
also for
>>>> social media
>>>> >> >>> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing
at graphics
>>>> >> >>> conventions,
>>>> >> >>> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in
Inkscape, btw. So
>>>> >> >>> thanks
>>>> >> >>> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy
for me!)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a
professional
>>>> resource
>>>> >> >>> for
>>>> >> >>> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out
videos are a
>>>> must
>>>> >> >>> for a
>>>> >> >>> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet
one one more
>>>> >> >>> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of
them there
>>>> are,
>>>> >> >>> the more
>>>> >> >>> eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search
keywords as
>>>> well
>>>> >> >>> with
>>>> >> >>> each video, gaining the project more exposure.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best
practices for
>>>> >> >>> professional design workflows, as well as educate
new users,
>>>> and ease
>>>> >> >>> the
>>>> >> >>> transition from commercial software packages. (If
you Like
>>>> >> >>> Illustrator,
>>>> >> >>> you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people
not being able to
>>>> find
>>>> >> >>>> tutorials. I did that all with my handy
internet search
>>>> engine.
>>>> >> >>>> Nothing
>>>> >> >>>> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe
those folks just
>>>> have not
>>>> >> >>>> ventured outside of DA, in their search?
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Or their search terms didn't turn up any
relevant videos. One
>>>> of the
>>>> >> >>> problems with video content is if you are looking
for something
>>>> very
>>>> >> >>> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of
complete
>>>> tutorials,
>>>> >> >>> hoping
>>>> >> >>> they cover the thing you want to know. This problem
is solved
>>>> more
>>>> >> >>> easily
>>>> >> >>> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all
relevant
>>>> keywords. The
>>>> >> >>> inkscape.org website should also contain a search
box to
>>>> search these
>>>> >> >>> keywords in our own collection of official videos.
I also
>>>> recommend an
>>>> >> >>> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a
way to
>>>> click down
>>>> >> >>> and
>>>> >> >>> feel out what you are searching for (handy if you
don't know
>>>> what a
>>>> >> >>> feature
>>>> >> >>> is named).
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> For example, a piece of the tree could go:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> +Tools
>>>> >> >>> -Select and Transform Tool
>>>> >> >>> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
>>>> >> >>> +Tweak Objects Tool
>>>> >> >>> - Tool Overview
>>>> >> >>> - Using Different Modes
>>>> >> >>> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the
effects you
>>>> want
>>>> >> >>> + FAQ / Troubleshooting
>>>> >> >>> - Why does the rest of my shape turn into
a glob?
>>>> >> >>> - It's only working on some objects,
but not others
>>>> >> >>> - etc.
>>>> >> >>> -Zoom Tool
>>>> >> >>> -Measurement Tool
>>>> >> >>> -Rectangle/Square Tool
>>>> >> >>> -etc.
>>>> >> >>> -Working with Shapes
>>>> >> >>> -Working with Layers
>>>> >> >>> -Working with Groups
>>>> >> >>> -Selecting
>>>> >> >>> -Filters
>>>> >> >>> -Exporting
>>>> >> >>> +Using Colours
>>>> >> >>> -What is a colour space?
>>>> >> >>> -What is a colour system?
>>>> >> >>> +FAQ / Troubleshooting
>>>> >> >>> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file,
arrrgh!
>>>> >> >>> -My greens are looking too Blue in print
>>>> >> >>> -My blacks are too grey in print
>>>> >> >>> +What should I use for my project?
>>>> >> >>> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
>>>> >> >>> -Pre-Press Considerations
>>>> >> >>> -etc. etc.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Note that only certain branches of the tree need
videos. Others
>>>> could
>>>> >> >>> have a quick animated gif with a text explanation.
It's
>>>> important to
>>>> >> >>> include
>>>> >> >>> all the written and video materials together, so
visitors do
>>>> not have
>>>> >> >>> to
>>>> >> >>> visit different sections of the website to find the
information
>>>> they
>>>> >> >>> are
>>>> >> >>> after.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> Nevertheless, I do think it's important
that there are
>>>> "official"
>>>> >> >>>> tutorials.
>>>> >> >>>> There was some talk a few months ago about
building a
>>>> Documentation
>>>> >> >>>> team,
>>>> >> >>>> and I would certainly look forward to
participating in such a
>>>> group
>>>> >> >>>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen
when someone had
>>>> more
>>>> >> >>>> time.....I
>>>> >> >>>> don't remember the exact details anymore).
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
>>>> >> >>> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if
those involved
>>>> >> >>> previously
>>>> >> >>> do not presently have the time.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>> I think more *official* tutorials are needed,
than the 6 or so
>>>> >> >>>> currently
>>>> >> >>>> available. But I have serious reservations
about video
>>>> tutorials
>>>> >> >>>> with
>>>> >> >>>> music
>>>> >> >>>> background and no narration. I have never seen
such a video
>>>> that I
>>>> >> >>>> found
>>>> >> >>>> was helpful, in my opinion.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> There will be narration, it will just be textual,
step-by-step,
>>>> rather
>>>> >> >>> than voiced over.
>>>> >> >>> There is nothing preventing people from adding
voice overs, but
>>>> I'd
>>>> >> >>> like
>>>> >> >>> to start cranking out as many of these videos as
possible, and
>>>> I'm not
>>>> >> >>> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> (You may notice there are probably less than
5
>>>> >> >>>> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I
haven't found many
>>>> >> >>>> worthwhile,
>>>> >> >>>> that
>>>> >> >>>> aren't connected to a proprietary
venture.)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of
doing them
>>>> ourselves.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard
Querrin)
>>>> series are
>>>> >> >>>> still
>>>> >> >>>> the best video tutorials around, imo (even
though now somewhat
>>>> >> >>>> dated).
>>>> >> >>>> I
>>>> >> >>>> think they represent the standard we should
strive for, if
>>>> there is
>>>> >> >>>> some
>>>> >> >>>> consensus that video tutorials are needed more
that text
>>>> tutorials.
>>>> >> >>>> Although I haven't seen any indication of a
need for video
>>>> tutorials,
>>>> >> >>>> more
>>>> >> >>>> than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for
feature documentation
>>>> >> >>> videos,
>>>> >> >>> we will need more concise and much shorter videos
with less
>>>> banter,
>>>> >> >>> and none
>>>> >> >>> of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to
the tutorials
>>>> (the
>>>> >> >>> bouncing
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the
fun part of making
>>>> >> >>>> tutorials.
>>>> >> >>>> Has
>>>> >> >>>> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial
part of the
>>>> videos?
>>>> >> >>>> (I
>>>> >> >>>> haven't finished with reading the whole
thread yet.)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I'm volunteering for both at this point, but
once we have the
>>>> kit
>>>> >> >>> (which
>>>> >> >>> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption
overlay), it
>>>> will be
>>>> >> >>> easier
>>>> >> >>> to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts
>>>> (screen-captures, and
>>>> >> >>> captioning).
>>>> >> >>> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format
and
>>>> templates are
>>>> >> >>> the
>>>> >> >>> ground-work for a professional video series. They
will make the
>>>> >> >>> tutorial
>>>> >> >>> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The
point of these
>>>> initial
>>>> >> >>> steps
>>>> >> >>> is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick,
professional
>>>> >> >>> looking
>>>> >> >>> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have
the initial
>>>> sample
>>>> >> >>> completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it
a bit based
>>>> on
>>>> >> >>> feedback.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> Thanks for listening,
>>>> >> >>>> brynn
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help
tremendously.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -C
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
--------------------------------------------------
>>>> >> >>>> From: "Martin Owens"
<doctormo@...400...>
>>>> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
>>>> >> >>>> To: "Inkscape Devel List" <
>>>> inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>> >> >>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help
(tutorials)
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> >
_______________________________________________
>>>> >> >>>> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
>>>> >> >>>> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>>> >> >>>> >
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> >> >>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>> >> >>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list
>>>> >> >>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>>> >> >>>>
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>>
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>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > _______________________________________________
>>>> >> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
>>>> >> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>>> >> >
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>>> >> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
6:38 a.m.
Okay, so I was looking through Google's collection of free open fonts, and
picking out the ones that are had-written and/or script-like.
You know how many fonts are usually on your system? Like after you install
Photoshop, or some design package? Well Google fonts has THAT MANY fonts
that are JUST scripty/hand-written. lol Here's a quick sample:
http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/draw_freely_sample.png
I learned three things:
1. Google's collection of fonts is truly awesome, and should be downloaded
by everyone.
2. Inkscape becomes dog-slow when displaying "draw freely" in a hundred or
so different fonts. I don't know if that's a bug, or a fact of life. :)
3.This is going to be a hard decision, and I think it should involve more
than just me.
Therefore I've started writing some code that will place the inkscape logo
above the text "draw-freely" such that the visitor can switch through all
of these fonts without needing to download and install all of them (I will
need to add some code to display the fonts in approriate size for the
graphic, since they vary somewhat dramatically in what they consider to be
12pt font). We can then take votes from people still interested in this
after listening to me rattle on for days about it. :)
Thoughts?
-C
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:56 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
There, that's a bit better:
http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation...
Time to add the sound and text!
-C
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> Actually, now that I've uploaded it, I'm not actually to keen on the
> shape of it. Think I'll make it symmetrical, and use the curve just to
> indicate movement. It just looks strange sitting there motionless, with the
> curve in it like that. :P
>
> Ah well. Tomorrow's another day.
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:31 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>
>> Had to help save a baby squirrel tonight, but did manage to make some
>> progress despite the time-sink. Based on the feedback, here are some
>> changes to the animation (no sound just yet though).
>>
>>
>>
http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation...
>>
>> Enjoy.
>>
>> -C
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:59 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>
>>> For those who have not seen Google's tremendously handy open font
>>> library, you view/download it here:
>>> https://www.google.com/fonts
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:55 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd rather use libre fonts where possible. Something that comes with
a
>>>> SIL, Apache, or cc0 font license/rights waiver.
>>>> I don't want anything with attribution requirements. All materials,
>>>> imho should be libre so people are free and protected against other
people
>>>> suing them for helping the Inkscape project. There is a true wealth of
>>>> excellent scripty fonts, and Roman-Caps serif fonts. I'll pick the
closest
>>>> matches and maybe we can vote on it or something. :) If someone has a
>>>> reason for really wanting to use proprietary fonts, artwork, etc. for
>>>> branding I can... but I'd like to avoid it if at all possible.
>>>>
>>>> -C
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Andler <scislac@...400...>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Per Jabier's reply, the branding folder contains a file that has
the
>>>>> proper branding for the text elements. They're vector, so it
should be
>>>>> easy to work with. Obviously the newer logo is what should be used
>>>>> (which you're already doing).
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't recall what font was used for INKSCAPE, but it was a
Pushkin
>>>>> font that was used for Draw Freely.
>>>>> http://www.paratype.com/pstore/fonts/pushkin.htm It was created by
>>>>> someone with a license for the font, but it does raise the question
>>>>> about how we feel about proprietary stuff used for our brand.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Josh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...>
wrote:
>>>>> > Thanks!
>>>>> > And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style
for
>>>>> writing
>>>>> > "Draw Freely".
>>>>> >
>>>>> > This leaves me with some options:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite
is
>>>>> the one
>>>>> > accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset
for
>>>>> this? I
>>>>> > could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If
>>>>> like to do
>>>>> > it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that
pressure
>>>>> > sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time
being.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding
>>>>> stuff, and
>>>>> > if there isn't, start one. :)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Any thoughts?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not,
I'm
>>>>> tempted to raid
>>>>> > Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -C
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler"
<scislac@...400...> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your
>>>>> description),
>>>>> >> but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw
Freely" from the about
>>>>> screen
>>>>> >> should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking
forward to
>>>>> >> seeing the next iteration!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>>> >> Josh
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R
<cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>>>> >> > Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from
walking ;) )
>>>>> >> > I've almost completed the intro animation, but got
bogged down
>>>>> with some
>>>>> >> > emergency charity work that a friend required
last-minute.
>>>>> >> > I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've
recorded
>>>>> myself, but
>>>>> >> > ran
>>>>> >> > out of time tonight.
>>>>> >> > However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday
night
>>>>> amusement:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>>
www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath
and "Draw Freely"
>>>>> will be
>>>>> >> > scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective
weekend has
>>>>> been a
>>>>> >> > pleasant one. :)
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > More soon.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > -C
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R
<cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit
Synfig Open
>>>>> Source
>>>>> >> >> Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and
show them some
>>>>> love! :)
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R
<cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> So I'm getting late to this discussion.
I guess it sounds
>>>>> like
>>>>> >> >>>> people
>>>>> >> >>>> are
>>>>> >> >>>> ready to do this!
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> This will be an ongoing project, so input is
great at any
>>>>> stage.
>>>>> >> >>> You're
>>>>> >> >>> not late either, it's early times still.
:)
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> (sorry, kind of long)
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> Also never a problem. More information is
better!
>>>>> >> >>> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your
advise!
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> I'm of the opinion that there is no
lack of tutorials in the
>>>>> Inkscape
>>>>> >> >>>> community. I've done some both
intensive and extensive
>>>>> searching for
>>>>> >> >>>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a
centralized source of
>>>>> tutorials, for
>>>>> >> >>>> the
>>>>> >> >>>> community (something I saw lacking in the
community, and
>>>>> wanted to
>>>>> >> >>>> provide).
>>>>> >> >>>>
http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> Thanks for the link, and for your work
collecting and vetting
>>>>> these
>>>>> >> >>> resources! :) I'll have a look through
these, I'm sure they
>>>>> will be
>>>>> >> >>> quite
>>>>> >> >>> useful not only in determining the best way to
proceed, but in
>>>>> terms
>>>>> >> >>> of
>>>>> >> >>> information content and possible linking from
the finished
>>>>> >> >>> documentation
>>>>> >> >>> (pending approval from the parties that made
them). It may
>>>>> also be
>>>>> >> >>> good to
>>>>> >> >>> have two video sections that link off the main
Inkscape.org
>>>>> website,
>>>>> >> >>> one to
>>>>> >> >>> a set of official tutorials, and the other to
the growing set
>>>>> of
>>>>> >> >>> excellent
>>>>> >> >>> community-done resources.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful
to have small
>>>>> official
>>>>> >> >>> videos to accompany the documentation. I find
that it's quite
>>>>> a matter
>>>>> >> >>> of
>>>>> >> >>> preference which people prefer (written or
video tutorial).
>>>>> Even my
>>>>> >> >>> own
>>>>> >> >>> preference changes depending on my moods, so
having both
>>>>> available is
>>>>> >> >>> no bad
>>>>> >> >>> thing.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> Official videos have manifold purpose:
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> -They provide concise context-relevant
information that we can
>>>>> include
>>>>> >> >>> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This
saves time
>>>>> having to
>>>>> >> >>> google
>>>>> >> >>> for videos of the information at hand, so more
time can be
>>>>> spent
>>>>> >> >>> learning in
>>>>> >> >>> a streamlined way, that it may not be possible
to get from
>>>>> even a list
>>>>> >> >>> of
>>>>> >> >>> several thousand user-contributed videos. There
will be a lot
>>>>> of
>>>>> >> >>> repeating
>>>>> >> >>> concepts that are covered in user-videos, but
there will also
>>>>> be be a
>>>>> >> >>> lot of
>>>>> >> >>> gap-filling as well.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org,
which adds to
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> >>> professional image of the project, and is
important for trust
>>>>> and
>>>>> >> >>> provides a
>>>>> >> >>> nicer experience for new users. I've lost
count how many times
>>>>> people
>>>>> >> >>> posting on the forums have been told to
"google it" (even
>>>>> though I
>>>>> >> >>> reached
>>>>> >> >>> these comments BY Googling!). Why should they
have to google
>>>>> it? Users
>>>>> >> >>> can
>>>>> >> >>> spend more time learning, and less time reading
what other
>>>>> users think
>>>>> >> >>> about
>>>>> >> >>> their issue on forums (that's time saved in
hours across
>>>>> possibly
>>>>> >> >>> hundreds
>>>>> >> >>> of comments). We are in the unique position to
provide an
>>>>> answer, on
>>>>> >> >>> the
>>>>> >> >>> spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one.
:)
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> -They are a resource under the project's
control. One of the
>>>>> >> >>> criticisms
>>>>> >> >>> that our open source community faces is that
information is
>>>>> >> >>> scatter-shot,
>>>>> >> >>> and you may not be able to find resources, or
links may be
>>>>> broken to
>>>>> >> >>> the
>>>>> >> >>> original content, or the content may only be
available in some
>>>>> >> >>> countries.
>>>>> >> >>> Having control over our content ensures we can
reach the most
>>>>> people.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> -They give us another opportunity to connect
with more users.
>>>>> This is
>>>>> >> >>> important not only for development purposes,
but also for
>>>>> social media
>>>>> >> >>> campaigns for development acceleration,
appearing at graphics
>>>>> >> >>> conventions,
>>>>> >> >>> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in
Inkscape, btw.
>>>>> So
>>>>> >> >>> thanks
>>>>> >> >>> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life
easy for me!)
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a
professional
>>>>> resource
>>>>> >> >>> for
>>>>> >> >>> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought
out videos are a
>>>>> must
>>>>> >> >>> for a
>>>>> >> >>> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as
yet one one
>>>>> more
>>>>> >> >>> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The
more of them there
>>>>> are,
>>>>> >> >>> the more
>>>>> >> >>> eyes are likely to see them. We can capture
search keywords as
>>>>> well
>>>>> >> >>> with
>>>>> >> >>> each video, gaining the project more exposure.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach
best practices for
>>>>> >> >>> professional design workflows, as well as
educate new users,
>>>>> and ease
>>>>> >> >>> the
>>>>> >> >>> transition from commercial software packages.
(If you Like
>>>>> >> >>> Illustrator,
>>>>> >> >>> you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> So I'm bewildered with complaints of
people not being able to
>>>>> find
>>>>> >> >>>> tutorials. I did that all with my handy
internet search
>>>>> engine.
>>>>> >> >>>> Nothing
>>>>> >> >>>> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe
those folks just
>>>>> have not
>>>>> >> >>>> ventured outside of DA, in their search?
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> Or their search terms didn't turn up any
relevant videos. One
>>>>> of the
>>>>> >> >>> problems with video content is if you are
looking for
>>>>> something very
>>>>> >> >>> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of
complete
>>>>> tutorials,
>>>>> >> >>> hoping
>>>>> >> >>> they cover the thing you want to know. This
problem is solved
>>>>> more
>>>>> >> >>> easily
>>>>> >> >>> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all
relevant
>>>>> keywords. The
>>>>> >> >>> inkscape.org website should also contain a
search box to
>>>>> search these
>>>>> >> >>> keywords in our own collection of official
videos. I also
>>>>> recommend an
>>>>> >> >>> expandable tree-style map of our videos
providing a way to
>>>>> click down
>>>>> >> >>> and
>>>>> >> >>> feel out what you are searching for (handy if
you don't know
>>>>> what a
>>>>> >> >>> feature
>>>>> >> >>> is named).
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> For example, a piece of the tree could go:
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> +Tools
>>>>> >> >>> -Select and Transform Tool
>>>>> >> >>> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
>>>>> >> >>> +Tweak Objects Tool
>>>>> >> >>> - Tool Overview
>>>>> >> >>> - Using Different Modes
>>>>> >> >>> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting
the effects you
>>>>> want
>>>>> >> >>> + FAQ / Troubleshooting
>>>>> >> >>> - Why does the rest of my shape turn
into a glob?
>>>>> >> >>> - It's only working on some
objects, but not others
>>>>> >> >>> - etc.
>>>>> >> >>> -Zoom Tool
>>>>> >> >>> -Measurement Tool
>>>>> >> >>> -Rectangle/Square Tool
>>>>> >> >>> -etc.
>>>>> >> >>> -Working with Shapes
>>>>> >> >>> -Working with Layers
>>>>> >> >>> -Working with Groups
>>>>> >> >>> -Selecting
>>>>> >> >>> -Filters
>>>>> >> >>> -Exporting
>>>>> >> >>> +Using Colours
>>>>> >> >>> -What is a colour space?
>>>>> >> >>> -What is a colour system?
>>>>> >> >>> +FAQ / Troubleshooting
>>>>> >> >>> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai)
file, arrrgh!
>>>>> >> >>> -My greens are looking too Blue in
print
>>>>> >> >>> -My blacks are too grey in print
>>>>> >> >>> +What should I use for my project?
>>>>> >> >>> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
>>>>> >> >>> -Pre-Press Considerations
>>>>> >> >>> -etc. etc.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> Note that only certain branches of the tree
need videos.
>>>>> Others could
>>>>> >> >>> have a quick animated gif with a text
explanation. It's
>>>>> important to
>>>>> >> >>> include
>>>>> >> >>> all the written and video materials together,
so visitors do
>>>>> not have
>>>>> >> >>> to
>>>>> >> >>> visit different sections of the website to find
the
>>>>> information they
>>>>> >> >>> are
>>>>> >> >>> after.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> Nevertheless, I do think it's important
that there are
>>>>> "official"
>>>>> >> >>>> tutorials.
>>>>> >> >>>> There was some talk a few months ago about
building a
>>>>> Documentation
>>>>> >> >>>> team,
>>>>> >> >>>> and I would certainly look forward to
participating in such a
>>>>> group
>>>>> >> >>>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen
when someone had
>>>>> more
>>>>> >> >>>> time.....I
>>>>> >> >>>> don't remember the exact details
anymore).
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> I would be happy to assist the Documentation
team.
>>>>> >> >>> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if
those involved
>>>>> >> >>> previously
>>>>> >> >>> do not presently have the time.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>> I think more *official* tutorials are
needed, than the 6 or so
>>>>> >> >>>> currently
>>>>> >> >>>> available. But I have serious reservations
about video
>>>>> tutorials
>>>>> >> >>>> with
>>>>> >> >>>> music
>>>>> >> >>>> background and no narration. I have never
seen such a video
>>>>> that I
>>>>> >> >>>> found
>>>>> >> >>>> was helpful, in my opinion.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> There will be narration, it will just be
textual,
>>>>> step-by-step, rather
>>>>> >> >>> than voiced over.
>>>>> >> >>> There is nothing preventing people from adding
voice overs,
>>>>> but I'd
>>>>> >> >>> like
>>>>> >> >>> to start cranking out as many of these videos
as possible, and
>>>>> I'm not
>>>>> >> >>> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough.
:)
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> (You may notice there are probably less
than 5
>>>>> >> >>>> YouTube vids on my page. It's because
I haven't found many
>>>>> >> >>>> worthwhile,
>>>>> >> >>>> that
>>>>> >> >>>> aren't connected to a proprietary
venture.)
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit
of doing them
>>>>> ourselves.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> Videos from the Screencasters
(heathenx/Richard Querrin)
>>>>> series are
>>>>> >> >>>> still
>>>>> >> >>>> the best video tutorials around, imo (even
though now somewhat
>>>>> >> >>>> dated).
>>>>> >> >>>> I
>>>>> >> >>>> think they represent the standard we should
strive for, if
>>>>> there is
>>>>> >> >>>> some
>>>>> >> >>>> consensus that video tutorials are needed
more that text
>>>>> tutorials.
>>>>> >> >>>> Although I haven't seen any indication
of a need for video
>>>>> tutorials,
>>>>> >> >>>> more
>>>>> >> >>>> than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for
feature documentation
>>>>> >> >>> videos,
>>>>> >> >>> we will need more concise and much shorter
videos with less
>>>>> banter,
>>>>> >> >>> and none
>>>>> >> >>> of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff.
:)
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro
to the tutorials
>>>>> (the
>>>>> >> >>> bouncing
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's
the fun part of making
>>>>> >> >>>> tutorials.
>>>>> >> >>>> Has
>>>>> >> >>>> anyone volunteered to make the actual
tutorial part of the
>>>>> videos?
>>>>> >> >>>> (I
>>>>> >> >>>> haven't finished with reading the whole
thread yet.)
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> I'm volunteering for both at this point,
but once we have the
>>>>> kit
>>>>> >> >>> (which
>>>>> >> >>> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption
overlay), it
>>>>> will be
>>>>> >> >>> easier
>>>>> >> >>> to enlist others to help with the tutorial
parts
>>>>> (screen-captures, and
>>>>> >> >>> captioning).
>>>>> >> >>> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro,
format and
>>>>> templates are
>>>>> >> >>> the
>>>>> >> >>> ground-work for a professional video series.
They will make the
>>>>> >> >>> tutorial
>>>>> >> >>> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The
point of these
>>>>> initial
>>>>> >> >>> steps
>>>>> >> >>> is to produce a kit that we can use to make
quick, professional
>>>>> >> >>> looking
>>>>> >> >>> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will
have the initial
>>>>> sample
>>>>> >> >>> completed this weekend, I suspect we will
change it a bit
>>>>> based on
>>>>> >> >>> feedback.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> Thanks for listening,
>>>>> >> >>>> brynn
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help
tremendously.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> -C
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
--------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >> >>>> From: "Martin Owens"
<doctormo@...400...>
>>>>> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
>>>>> >> >>>> To: "Inkscape Devel List" <
>>>>> inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>>> >> >>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help
(tutorials)
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> >
_______________________________________________
>>>>> >> >>>> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
>>>>> >> >>>> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>> >> >>>> >
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >> >>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>> >> >>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list
>>>>> >> >>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>> >> >>>>
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>>
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>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
>>>>> >> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>> >> >
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>>>> >> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
7:17 a.m.
Hi CR,
There's also a further consideration when it comes to the trademarks.
I've just checked the policy
https://inkscape.org/en/about/trademark-policy/ and it doesn't specify
fonts for the slogan so we should be good to pick one.
If we use a google font, we can probably use it on the website too.
Martin,
On Thu, 2015-09-03 at 22:38 +0100, C R wrote:
Therefore I've started writing some code that will place the
inkscape
logo above the text "draw-freely" such that the visitor can switch
through all of these fonts without needing to download and install all
of them (I will need to add some code to display the fonts in
approriate size for the graphic, since they vary somewhat dramatically
in what they consider to be 12pt font). We can then take votes from
people still interested in this after listening to me rattle on for
days about it. :)
3:32 p.m.
Yea, my thoughts exactly about using the font on the website as well. I do
rather like "Draw Freely" though, to be honest, I do far more layout and
construction of shapes than drawing. Likewise, I always wondered about
"Illustrator" as the name of Adobe's Inkscape alternative. Illustration is
the least of what goes on in Illustrator, ihmo. Something more accurate
might be "Design Free", though it doesn't have the playful nature of
"Draw". So I recommend sticking with Draw Freely. Drawing is something
everyone is familiar with, so there's a tactile connection that transcends
the technical nature of software. It's a statement as much about the UX of
Inkscape as it is about the freedom of creation, and the freedom of
Inkscape as FOSS software.
On 3 Sep 2015 11:18 pm, "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
Hi CR,
There's also a further consideration when it comes to the trademarks.
I've just checked the policy
https://inkscape.org/en/about/trademark-policy/ and it doesn't specify
fonts for the slogan so we should be good to pick one.
If we use a google font, we can probably use it on the website too.
Martin,
On Thu, 2015-09-03 at 22:38 +0100, C R wrote:
> Therefore I've started writing some code that will place the inkscape
> logo above the text "draw-freely" such that the visitor can switch
> through all of these fonts without needing to download and install all
> of them (I will need to add some code to display the fonts in
> approriate size for the graphic, since they vary somewhat dramatically
> in what they consider to be 12pt font). We can then take votes from
> people still interested in this after listening to me rattle on for
> days about it. :)
>
3:50 p.m.
Oh read that wrong. Read as "doesn't define the fonts or slogan" Lol. Yes,
I'll put up my sample generator soon, and maybe we can vote.
On 4 Sep 2015 7:32 am, "C R" <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Yea, my thoughts exactly about using the font on the website as well.
I do
rather like "Draw Freely" though, to be honest, I do far more layout and
construction of shapes than drawing. Likewise, I always wondered about
"Illustrator" as the name of Adobe's Inkscape alternative. Illustration
is
the least of what goes on in Illustrator, ihmo. Something more accurate
might be "Design Free", though it doesn't have the playful nature of
"Draw". So I recommend sticking with Draw Freely. Drawing is something
everyone is familiar with, so there's a tactile connection that transcends
the technical nature of software. It's a statement as much about the UX of
Inkscape as it is about the freedom of creation, and the freedom of
Inkscape as FOSS software.
On 3 Sep 2015 11:18 pm, "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
> Hi CR,
>
> There's also a further consideration when it comes to the trademarks.
> I've just checked the policy
> https://inkscape.org/en/about/trademark-policy/ and it doesn't specify
> fonts for the slogan so we should be good to pick one.
>
> If we use a google font, we can probably use it on the website too.
>
> Martin,
>
> On Thu, 2015-09-03 at 22:38 +0100, C R wrote:
> > Therefore I've started writing some code that will place the inkscape
> > logo above the text "draw-freely" such that the visitor can switch
> > through all of these fonts without needing to download and install all
> > of them (I will need to add some code to display the fonts in
> > approriate size for the graphic, since they vary somewhat dramatically
> > in what they consider to be 12pt font). We can then take votes from
> > people still interested in this after listening to me rattle on for
> > days about it. :)
> >
>
>
3:06 a.m.
On Fri, 2015-09-04 at 07:32 +0100, C R wrote:
Yea, my thoughts exactly about using the font on the website as
well.
I do rather like "Draw Freely" though, to be honest, I do far more
layout and construction of shapes than drawing. Likewise, I always
wondered about "Illustrator" as the name of Adobe's Inkscape
alternative. Illustration is the least of what goes on in Illustrator,
ihmo. Something more accurate might be "Design Free", though it
doesn't have the playful nature of "Draw". So I recommend sticking
with Draw Freely. Drawing is something everyone is familiar with, so
there's a tactile connection that transcends the technical nature of
software. It's a statement as much about the UX of Inkscape as it is
about the freedom of creation, and the freedom of Inkscape as FOSS
software.
There's more than one definition of 'draw' ;-) e.g. draw out, draw in,
draw up, draw breath, draw your guns, draw a card, draw the game.
So in Inkscape you're free to do any of those :-D
Martin,
4:26 p.m.
True. Though when I use a circle object to cut out a piece of a square, or
other Boolean operation, import artwork from gimp, and add text, these
things are not so much "Drawing" in my mind. ;)
On 4 Sep 2015 7:07 pm, "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
On Fri, 2015-09-04 at 07:32 +0100, C R wrote:
> Yea, my thoughts exactly about using the font on the website as well.
> I do rather like "Draw Freely" though, to be honest, I do far more
> layout and construction of shapes than drawing. Likewise, I always
> wondered about "Illustrator" as the name of Adobe's Inkscape
> alternative. Illustration is the least of what goes on in Illustrator,
> ihmo. Something more accurate might be "Design Free", though it
> doesn't have the playful nature of "Draw". So I recommend sticking
> with Draw Freely. Drawing is something everyone is familiar with, so
> there's a tactile connection that transcends the technical nature of
> software. It's a statement as much about the UX of Inkscape as it is
> about the freedom of creation, and the freedom of Inkscape as FOSS
> software.
There's more than one definition of 'draw' ;-) e.g. draw out, draw in,
draw up, draw breath, draw your guns, draw a card, draw the game.
So in Inkscape you're free to do any of those :-D
Martin,
1:08 a.m.
On Sat, 2015-09-05 at 08:26 +0100, C R wrote:
True. Though when I use a circle object to cut out a piece of a
square, or other Boolean operation, import artwork from gimp, and add
text, these things are not so much "Drawing" in my mind. ;)
Drawing up plans :-P
Do you need any help with the audio sound effects for the tutorial intro
and outro?
Martin,
6:36 a.m.
"Drawing up plans :-P"
Yea, still doesn't seem like drawing to me... oh well. ;)
Probably got the audio handled. I'm recording the sound effects myself with
my h4n field recorder mic (very high quality sound), and then editing with
audacity. I have most of them, I just need to finish the "Draw Freely"
sample page so we can vote on the font used for "Draw Freely". that's
almost done too, but my work has overlapped the weekend for a trade show in
Birmingham (spent most of the day driving, and then setting up), so it's
been difficult to make as much progress as I'd have likes to. A little more
gets done every day though. Oh, by the way, all our display graphics I did
in Inkscape, as well as the packaging, etc. etc. So our success here at the
convention is also yours! :)
Thanks for the offer to help. If you have suggestions for sound effects
you'd like to see, feel free to post links. :)
Cheers.
-C
On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
On Sat, 2015-09-05 at 08:26 +0100, C R wrote:
> True. Though when I use a circle object to cut out a piece of a
> square, or other Boolean operation, import artwork from gimp, and add
> text, these things are not so much "Drawing" in my mind. ;)
Drawing up plans :-P
Do you need any help with the audio sound effects for the tutorial intro
and outro?
Martin,
6:44 a.m.
Don't get me wrong though, one can definitely draw in Inkscape. I did this
illustration a few years ago in Inkscape. This is what I would consider
"Drawing": http://opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/emmawolf.png
On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:36 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> "Drawing up plans :-P"
Yea, still doesn't seem like drawing to me... oh well. ;)
Probably got the audio handled. I'm recording the sound effects myself
with my h4n field recorder mic (very high quality sound), and then editing
with audacity. I have most of them, I just need to finish the "Draw Freely"
sample page so we can vote on the font used for "Draw Freely". that's
almost done too, but my work has overlapped the weekend for a trade show in
Birmingham (spent most of the day driving, and then setting up), so it's
been difficult to make as much progress as I'd have likes to. A little more
gets done every day though. Oh, by the way, all our display graphics I did
in Inkscape, as well as the packaging, etc. etc. So our success here at the
convention is also yours! :)
Thanks for the offer to help. If you have suggestions for sound effects
you'd like to see, feel free to post links. :)
Cheers.
-C
On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
> On Sat, 2015-09-05 at 08:26 +0100, C R wrote:
> > True. Though when I use a circle object to cut out a piece of a
> > square, or other Boolean operation, import artwork from gimp, and add
> > text, these things are not so much "Drawing" in my mind. ;)
>
> Drawing up plans :-P
>
> Do you need any help with the audio sound effects for the tutorial intro
> and outro?
>
> Martin,
>
>
>
2:03 a.m.
Okay, back from Birmingham convention.
Those interested in having choosing an open font to replace the "Draw
Freely" tagline from Google's massive list of awesome open script fonts, go
here:
http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/draw_freely_font_list.html
You can click on a font in the list to preview, or use the left and right
arrow keys scroll through them.
You can additionally use the up and down arrow keys to increase/decrease
the size of the fonts.
Clicking the share link which updates at the bottom of the font information
will copy the size and font number variables for the current font into the
page URL, which you can then collect, and post on this thread as your
preference.
This works in Chrome and Firefox. If your font list is scrolling along with
your up and down arrow keys, just click on the inkscape icon to make it
stop. :)
This isn't the pinnacle of elegant code, so don't judge me. ;P
My hope is that it will be useful enough to make it easier to choose an
alternative font for "Draw Freely".
Please let me know which are your favourites, and I'll make a master list.
Thanks. :)
-C
On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:44 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Don't get me wrong though, one can definitely draw in Inkscape. I
did this
illustration a few years ago in Inkscape. This is what I would consider
"Drawing": http://opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/emmawolf.png
On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:36 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> > "Drawing up plans :-P"
>
> Yea, still doesn't seem like drawing to me... oh well. ;)
>
> Probably got the audio handled. I'm recording the sound effects myself
> with my h4n field recorder mic (very high quality sound), and then editing
> with audacity. I have most of them, I just need to finish the "Draw
Freely"
> sample page so we can vote on the font used for "Draw Freely". that's
> almost done too, but my work has overlapped the weekend for a trade show in
> Birmingham (spent most of the day driving, and then setting up), so it's
> been difficult to make as much progress as I'd have likes to. A little more
> gets done every day though. Oh, by the way, all our display graphics I did
> in Inkscape, as well as the packaging, etc. etc. So our success here at the
> convention is also yours! :)
>
> Thanks for the offer to help. If you have suggestions for sound effects
> you'd like to see, feel free to post links. :)
>
> Cheers.
> -C
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2015-09-05 at 08:26 +0100, C R wrote:
>> > True. Though when I use a circle object to cut out a piece of a
>> > square, or other Boolean operation, import artwork from gimp, and add
>> > text, these things are not so much "Drawing" in my mind. ;)
>>
>> Drawing up plans :-P
>>
>> Do you need any help with the audio sound effects for the tutorial intro
>> and outro?
>>
>> Martin,
>>
>>
>>
>
3:26 a.m.
Dearest C R,
This is a really good piece of code for selecting fonts :-) a very cool
setup.
I'm happiest with "Courgette" 30-38
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Sat, 2015-09-12 at 18:03 +0100, C R wrote:
Okay, back from Birmingham convention.
Those interested in having choosing an open font to replace the "Draw
Freely" tagline from Google's massive list of awesome open script
fonts, go here:
http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/draw_freely_font_list.html
You can click on a font in the list to preview, or use the left and
right arrow keys scroll through them.
You can additionally use the up and down arrow keys to
increase/decrease the size of the fonts.
Clicking the share link which updates at the bottom of the font
information will copy the size and font number variables for the
current font into the page URL, which you can then collect, and post
on this thread as your preference.
This works in Chrome and Firefox. If your font list is scrolling along
with your up and down arrow keys, just click on the inkscape icon to
make it stop. :)
This isn't the pinnacle of elegant code, so don't judge me. ;P
My hope is that it will be useful enough to make it easier to choose
an alternative font for "Draw Freely".
Please let me know which are your favourites, and I'll make a master
list.
Thanks. :)
-C
On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:44 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Don't get me wrong though, one can definitely draw in
Inkscape. I did this illustration a few years ago in Inkscape.
This is what I would consider
"Drawing": http://opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/emmawolf.png
On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:36 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> "Drawing up plans :-P"
Yea, still doesn't seem like drawing to me... oh
well. ;)
Probably got the audio handled. I'm recording the
sound effects myself with my h4n field recorder mic
(very high quality sound), and then editing with
audacity. I have most of them, I just need to finish
the "Draw Freely" sample page so we can vote on the
font used for "Draw Freely". that's almost done too,
but my work has overlapped the weekend for a trade
show in Birmingham (spent most of the day driving, and
then setting up), so it's been difficult to make as
much progress as I'd have likes to. A little more gets
done every day though. Oh, by the way, all our display
graphics I did in Inkscape, as well as the packaging,
etc. etc. So our success here at the convention is
also yours! :)
Thanks for the offer to help. If you have suggestions
for sound effects you'd like to see, feel free to post
links. :)
Cheers.
-C
On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Martin Owens
<doctormo@...400...> wrote:
On Sat, 2015-09-05 at 08:26 +0100, C R wrote:
> True. Though when I use a circle object to
cut out a piece of a
> square, or other Boolean operation, import
artwork from gimp, and add
> text, these things are not so much
"Drawing" in my mind. ;)
Drawing up plans :-P
Do you need any help with the audio sound
effects for the tutorial intro
and outro?
Martin,
5:26 a.m.
Thank you, C! Great selection :) - and a fun idea to make this font
selection page!
I like La Belle Aurore, Zeyada and Seaweed most (in that order).
Maren
Am 12.09.2015 um 20:26 schrieb Martin Owens:
Dearest C R,
This is a really good piece of code for selecting fonts :-) a very cool
setup.
I'm happiest with "Courgette" 30-38
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Sat, 2015-09-12 at 18:03 +0100, C R wrote:
> Okay, back from Birmingham convention.
> Those interested in having choosing an open font to replace the "Draw
> Freely" tagline from Google's massive list of awesome open script
> fonts, go here:
> http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/draw_freely_font_list.html
>
>
>
> You can click on a font in the list to preview, or use the left and
> right arrow keys scroll through them.
> You can additionally use the up and down arrow keys to
> increase/decrease the size of the fonts.
> Clicking the share link which updates at the bottom of the font
> information will copy the size and font number variables for the
> current font into the page URL, which you can then collect, and post
> on this thread as your preference.
>
>
> This works in Chrome and Firefox. If your font list is scrolling along
> with your up and down arrow keys, just click on the inkscape icon to
> make it stop. :)
>
>
> This isn't the pinnacle of elegant code, so don't judge me. ;P
> My hope is that it will be useful enough to make it easier to choose
> an alternative font for "Draw Freely".
>
>
> Please let me know which are your favourites, and I'll make a master
> list.
>
>
> Thanks. :)
>
>
> -C
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:44 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> Don't get me wrong though, one can definitely draw in
> Inkscape. I did this illustration a few years ago in Inkscape.
> This is what I would consider
> "Drawing":
http://opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/emmawolf.png
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:36 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> > "Drawing up plans :-P"
>
>
>
> Yea, still doesn't seem like drawing to me... oh
> well. ;)
>
>
> Probably got the audio handled. I'm recording the
> sound effects myself with my h4n field recorder mic
> (very high quality sound), and then editing with
> audacity. I have most of them, I just need to finish
> the "Draw Freely" sample page so we can vote on the
> font used for "Draw Freely". that's almost done too,
> but my work has overlapped the weekend for a trade
> show in Birmingham (spent most of the day driving, and
> then setting up), so it's been difficult to make as
> much progress as I'd have likes to. A little more gets
> done every day though. Oh, by the way, all our display
> graphics I did in Inkscape, as well as the packaging,
> etc. etc. So our success here at the convention is
> also yours! :)
>
>
> Thanks for the offer to help. If you have suggestions
> for sound effects you'd like to see, feel free to post
> links. :)
>
>
> Cheers.
> -C
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Martin Owens
> <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
> On Sat, 2015-09-05 at 08:26 +0100, C R wrote:
> > True. Though when I use a circle object to
> cut out a piece of a
> > square, or other Boolean operation, import
> artwork from gimp, and add
> > text, these things are not so much
> "Drawing" in my mind. ;)
>
> Drawing up plans :-P
>
> Do you need any help with the audio sound
> effects for the tutorial intro
> and outro?
>
> Martin,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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6:03 a.m.
Via #inkscape IRC, I collected a few more favourites, and mine as well.
The mentioned favs so far are:
1. Courgette
2. La Belle Aurore
3. Zeyada
4. Seaweed
5. Allura
6. Dancing Script
7. Euphoria Script
8. Great Vibes
9. Indie Flower
10. Kaushan Script
11. Mervale Script
12. Molle
13. Nothing You Could Do
14. Rock Salt
15. Satisfy
16. Yellowtail
17. Yesteryear
To make it easier to decide, I've grouped these fonts into four categories
based on visual similarities between them.
The result is here:
http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/17_font_vote.png
Thoughts?
On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Maren Hachmann <maren@...3165...>
wrote:
Thank you, C! Great selection :) - and a fun idea to make this font
selection page!
I like La Belle Aurore, Zeyada and Seaweed most (in that order).
Maren
Am 12.09.2015 um 20:26 schrieb Martin Owens:
> Dearest C R,
>
> This is a really good piece of code for selecting fonts :-) a very cool
> setup.
>
> I'm happiest with "Courgette" 30-38
>
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>
> On Sat, 2015-09-12 at 18:03 +0100, C R wrote:
>> Okay, back from Birmingham convention.
>> Those interested in having choosing an open font to replace the "Draw
>> Freely" tagline from Google's massive list of awesome open script
>> fonts, go here:
>>
http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/draw_freely_font_list.html
>>
>>
>>
>> You can click on a font in the list to preview, or use the left and
>> right arrow keys scroll through them.
>> You can additionally use the up and down arrow keys to
>> increase/decrease the size of the fonts.
>> Clicking the share link which updates at the bottom of the font
>> information will copy the size and font number variables for the
>> current font into the page URL, which you can then collect, and post
>> on this thread as your preference.
>>
>>
>> This works in Chrome and Firefox. If your font list is scrolling along
>> with your up and down arrow keys, just click on the inkscape icon to
>> make it stop. :)
>>
>>
>> This isn't the pinnacle of elegant code, so don't judge me. ;P
>> My hope is that it will be useful enough to make it easier to choose
>> an alternative font for "Draw Freely".
>>
>>
>> Please let me know which are your favourites, and I'll make a master
>> list.
>>
>>
>> Thanks. :)
>>
>>
>> -C
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:44 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>> Don't get me wrong though, one can definitely draw in
>> Inkscape. I did this illustration a few years ago in Inkscape.
>> This is what I would consider
>> "Drawing":
http://opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/emmawolf.png
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:36 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>> > "Drawing up plans :-P"
>>
>>
>>
>> Yea, still doesn't seem like drawing to me... oh
>> well. ;)
>>
>>
>> Probably got the audio handled. I'm recording the
>> sound effects myself with my h4n field recorder mic
>> (very high quality sound), and then editing with
>> audacity. I have most of them, I just need to finish
>> the "Draw Freely" sample page so we can vote on the
>> font used for "Draw Freely". that's almost done
too,
>> but my work has overlapped the weekend for a trade
>> show in Birmingham (spent most of the day driving, and
>> then setting up), so it's been difficult to make as
>> much progress as I'd have likes to. A little more gets
>> done every day though. Oh, by the way, all our display
>> graphics I did in Inkscape, as well as the packaging,
>> etc. etc. So our success here at the convention is
>> also yours! :)
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the offer to help. If you have suggestions
>> for sound effects you'd like to see, feel free to post
>> links. :)
>>
>>
>> Cheers.
>> -C
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Martin Owens
>> <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2015-09-05 at 08:26 +0100, C R wrote:
>> > True. Though when I use a circle object to
>> cut out a piece of a
>> > square, or other Boolean operation, import
>> artwork from gimp, and add
>> > text, these things are not so much
>> "Drawing" in my mind. ;)
>>
>> Drawing up plans :-P
>>
>> Do you need any help with the audio sound
>> effects for the tutorial intro
>> and outro?
>>
>> Martin,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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4:44 p.m.
Cool, thanks for the votes. I'm keeping a tally of votes in this real-time
spreadsheet (bookmark it for the latest results):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rIrpehWI6thTPNItIsGCX1CLFgYncRXNz...
I'll be on #inkscape for the next few days to collect as many votes as
possible.
If anyone knows someone who should have a vote on this, just send me the
name and the vote choices (name, so I don't accidentally duplicate votes).
Happy Monday. :)
-C
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...>
wrote:
On dom, 2015-09-13 at 22:03 +0100, C R wrote:
> 7. Euphoria Script
> 8. Great Vibes
My vote for 7 and near 8. Maybe 8 beter because has ligatures
Regards.
4:59 p.m.
Of all the samples in the original list I like Alex Brush the best.
(Nice job on creating that page!) But to tell you the truth, I like
Pushkin better than all the choices. It just reflects the slogan
better.
Tav
On Mon, 2015-09-14 at 08:44 +0100, C R wrote:
Cool, thanks for the votes. I'm keeping a tally of votes in this
real
-time spreadsheet (bookmark it for the latest results):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rIrpehWI6thTPNItIsGCX1CLFgYnc
RXNzcFm11pSULg/edit?usp=sharing
I'll be on #inkscape for the next few days to collect as many votes
as possible.
If anyone knows someone who should have a vote on this, just send me
the name and the vote choices (name, so I don't accidentally
duplicate votes).
Happy Monday. :)
-C
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Jabier Arraiza <
jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
> On dom, 2015-09-13 at 22:03 +0100, C R wrote:
> > 7. Euphoria Script
> > 8. Great Vibes
>
> My vote for 7 and near 8. Maybe 8 beter because has ligatures
> Regards.
>
>
>
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5:04 p.m.
Understood. If Pushkin were an open font, it would be on the list, for
sure. The other essential thing about open fonts is we can add missing
language character sets to them. Unfortunately, we can not do this with
Pushkin.
-C
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@...8...> wrote:
Of all the samples in the original list I like Alex Brush the best.
(Nice job on creating that page!) But to tell you the truth, I like
Pushkin better than all the choices. It just reflects the slogan
better.
Tav
On Mon, 2015-09-14 at 08:44 +0100, C R wrote:
> Cool, thanks for the votes. I'm keeping a tally of votes in this real
> -time spreadsheet (bookmark it for the latest results):
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rIrpehWI6thTPNItIsGCX1CLFgYnc
> RXNzcFm11pSULg/edit?usp=sharing
>
> I'll be on #inkscape for the next few days to collect as many votes
> as possible.
> If anyone knows someone who should have a vote on this, just send me
> the name and the vote choices (name, so I don't accidentally
> duplicate votes).
>
> Happy Monday. :)
>
> -C
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Jabier Arraiza <
> jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
> > On dom, 2015-09-13 at 22:03 +0100, C R wrote:
> > > 7. Euphoria Script
> > > 8. Great Vibes
> >
> > My vote for 7 and near 8. Maybe 8 beter because has ligatures
> > Regards.
> >
> >
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+1
Still think Pushkin is better than all the others, and it has actual
meaning, as opposed to being some random script designed by google. He was
an artist who was heavily censored, draw freely would have resonated with
him I think.
We've been happily using it for years, why is it suddenly such an issue?
On 14 Sep 2015 08:59, "Tavmjong Bah" <tavmjong@...8...> wrote:
Of all the samples in the original list I like Alex Brush the best.
(Nice job on creating that page!) But to tell you the truth, I like
Pushkin better than all the choices. It just reflects the slogan
better.
Tav
On Mon, 2015-09-14 at 08:44 +0100, C R wrote:
> Cool, thanks for the votes. I'm keeping a tally of votes in this real
> -time spreadsheet (bookmark it for the latest results):
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rIrpehWI6thTPNItIsGCX1CLFgYnc
> RXNzcFm11pSULg/edit?usp=sharing
>
> I'll be on #inkscape for the next few days to collect as many votes
> as possible.
> If anyone knows someone who should have a vote on this, just send me
> the name and the vote choices (name, so I don't accidentally
> duplicate votes).
>
> Happy Monday. :)
>
> -C
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Jabier Arraiza <
> jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
> > On dom, 2015-09-13 at 22:03 +0100, C R wrote:
> > > 7. Euphoria Script
> > > 8. Great Vibes
> >
> > My vote for 7 and near 8. Maybe 8 beter because has ligatures
> > Regards.
> >
> >
> >
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Hi Cliff. The collection of fonts that Google has were not all designed by
google, they are just available through Google. People at Google collected
them from all over the internet, and provide access to them through their
servers as a means of making them available to everyone, everywhere so
there is no need to use the default "safe" webfonts in web pages, which are
not only proprietary, but quite limited.
The problems with Pushkin are:
Reasons for this are:
1. We can not change the font - Thus, we are unable to add extra character
support for other languages.
2. We can not use the font elsewhere without paying more license fees, and
we would like to be able to use the same font on the website, in tutorial
videos, and other user documentation.
3. We can not distribute the font with Inkscape materials without paying
license fees.
4. Our users can't use the font in their own materials without paying
license fees.
5. Open fonts rock, in all the same ways that Open Source software rocks,
and contributes to creative freedom, which is in line with the project's
creedo "Draw Freely".
Thanks for your suggestions. :)
-C
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:43 AM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:
+1
Still think Pushkin is better than all the others, and it has actual
meaning, as opposed to being some random script designed by google. He was
an artist who was heavily censored, draw freely would have resonated with
him I think.
We've been happily using it for years, why is it suddenly such an issue?
On 14 Sep 2015 08:59, "Tavmjong Bah" <tavmjong@...8...> wrote:
>
> Of all the samples in the original list I like Alex Brush the best.
> (Nice job on creating that page!) But to tell you the truth, I like
> Pushkin better than all the choices. It just reflects the slogan
> better.
>
> Tav
>
>
> On Mon, 2015-09-14 at 08:44 +0100, C R wrote:
> > Cool, thanks for the votes. I'm keeping a tally of votes in this real
> > -time spreadsheet (bookmark it for the latest results):
> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rIrpehWI6thTPNItIsGCX1CLFgYnc
> > RXNzcFm11pSULg/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> > I'll be on #inkscape for the next few days to collect as many votes
> > as possible.
> > If anyone knows someone who should have a vote on this, just send me
> > the name and the vote choices (name, so I don't accidentally
> > duplicate votes).
> >
> > Happy Monday. :)
> >
> > -C
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Jabier Arraiza <
> > jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
> > > On dom, 2015-09-13 at 22:03 +0100, C R wrote:
> > > > 7. Euphoria Script
> > > > 8. Great Vibes
> > >
> > > My vote for 7 and near 8. Maybe 8 beter because has ligatures
> > > Regards.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---------
> > _______________________________________________
> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Inkscape-devel mailing list
> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>
6:22 p.m.
All of those have been the case for years, as I asked, why I'd it suddenly
an issue?
There's an open font based on Pushkin's handwriting that has all the extra
characters.
http://scribusstuff.org/content/show.php/Pushkin?content=106881
And its John by the way, Cliffs my surname.
On 23 Sep 2015 10:14, "C R" <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Hi Cliff. The collection of fonts that Google has were not all
designed by
google, they are just available through Google. People at Google collected
them from all over the internet, and provide access to them through their
servers as a means of making them available to everyone, everywhere so
there is no need to use the default "safe" webfonts in web pages, which are
not only proprietary, but quite limited.
The problems with Pushkin are:
Reasons for this are:
1. We can not change the font - Thus, we are unable to add extra character
support for other languages.
2. We can not use the font elsewhere without paying more license fees, and
we would like to be able to use the same font on the website, in tutorial
videos, and other user documentation.
3. We can not distribute the font with Inkscape materials without paying
license fees.
4. Our users can't use the font in their own materials without paying
license fees.
5. Open fonts rock, in all the same ways that Open Source software rocks,
and contributes to creative freedom, which is in line with the project's
creedo "Draw Freely".
Thanks for your suggestions. :)
-C
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:43 AM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:
> +1
>
> Still think Pushkin is better than all the others, and it has actual
> meaning, as opposed to being some random script designed by google. He was
> an artist who was heavily censored, draw freely would have resonated with
> him I think.
>
> We've been happily using it for years, why is it suddenly such an issue?
> On 14 Sep 2015 08:59, "Tavmjong Bah" <tavmjong@...8...> wrote:
>
>>
>> Of all the samples in the original list I like Alex Brush the best.
>> (Nice job on creating that page!) But to tell you the truth, I like
>> Pushkin better than all the choices. It just reflects the slogan
>> better.
>>
>> Tav
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 2015-09-14 at 08:44 +0100, C R wrote:
>> > Cool, thanks for the votes. I'm keeping a tally of votes in this real
>> > -time spreadsheet (bookmark it for the latest results):
>> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rIrpehWI6thTPNItIsGCX1CLFgYnc
>> > RXNzcFm11pSULg/edit?usp=sharing
>> >
>> > I'll be on #inkscape for the next few days to collect as many votes
>> > as possible.
>> > If anyone knows someone who should have a vote on this, just send me
>> > the name and the vote choices (name, so I don't accidentally
>> > duplicate votes).
>> >
>> > Happy Monday. :)
>> >
>> > -C
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Jabier Arraiza <
>> > jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
>> > > On dom, 2015-09-13 at 22:03 +0100, C R wrote:
>> > > > 7. Euphoria Script
>> > > > 8. Great Vibes
>> > >
>> > > My vote for 7 and near 8. Maybe 8 beter because has ligatures
>> > > Regards.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > ---------
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
>> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inkscape-devel mailing list
>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>
>
6:28 p.m.
Sorry John, I'm in a hurry to respond to everyone between renders here at
work, so I apologise about the name.
A font based on a non-open font (which contains original non-free
characters) is not an Open Font, even if the new characters are Open. Can
you verify that none of the characters from this font are from the
original, proprietary Pushkin font? We have to be careful. If you can
verify that, and that the original maker of Pushkin is not going to come
after us with lawsuits for copying their font, I will add it to the list
for consideration.
Thanks.
-C
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:22 AM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:
All of those have been the case for years, as I asked, why I'd it
suddenly
an issue?
There's an open font based on Pushkin's handwriting that has all the extra
characters.
http://scribusstuff.org/content/show.php/Pushkin?content=106881
And its John by the way, Cliffs my surname.
On 23 Sep 2015 10:14, "C R" <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> Hi Cliff. The collection of fonts that Google has were not all designed
> by google, they are just available through Google. People at Google
> collected them from all over the internet, and provide access to them
> through their servers as a means of making them available to everyone,
> everywhere so there is no need to use the default "safe" webfonts in web
> pages, which are not only proprietary, but quite limited.
>
> The problems with Pushkin are:
>
> Reasons for this are:
>
> 1. We can not change the font - Thus, we are unable to add extra
> character support for other languages.
> 2. We can not use the font elsewhere without paying more license fees,
> and we would like to be able to use the same font on the website, in
> tutorial videos, and other user documentation.
> 3. We can not distribute the font with Inkscape materials without paying
> license fees.
> 4. Our users can't use the font in their own materials without paying
> license fees.
> 5. Open fonts rock, in all the same ways that Open Source software rocks,
> and contributes to creative freedom, which is in line with the project's
> creedo "Draw Freely".
>
> Thanks for your suggestions. :)
>
> -C
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:43 AM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Still think Pushkin is better than all the others, and it has actual
>> meaning, as opposed to being some random script designed by google. He was
>> an artist who was heavily censored, draw freely would have resonated with
>> him I think.
>>
>> We've been happily using it for years, why is it suddenly such an issue?
>> On 14 Sep 2015 08:59, "Tavmjong Bah" <tavmjong@...8...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Of all the samples in the original list I like Alex Brush the best.
>>> (Nice job on creating that page!) But to tell you the truth, I like
>>> Pushkin better than all the choices. It just reflects the slogan
>>> better.
>>>
>>> Tav
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2015-09-14 at 08:44 +0100, C R wrote:
>>> > Cool, thanks for the votes. I'm keeping a tally of votes in this
real
>>> > -time spreadsheet (bookmark it for the latest results):
>>> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rIrpehWI6thTPNItIsGCX1CLFgYnc
>>> > RXNzcFm11pSULg/edit?usp=sharing
>>> >
>>> > I'll be on #inkscape for the next few days to collect as many votes
>>> > as possible.
>>> > If anyone knows someone who should have a vote on this, just send me
>>> > the name and the vote choices (name, so I don't accidentally
>>> > duplicate votes).
>>> >
>>> > Happy Monday. :)
>>> >
>>> > -C
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Jabier Arraiza <
>>> > jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
>>> > > On dom, 2015-09-13 at 22:03 +0100, C R wrote:
>>> > > > 7. Euphoria Script
>>> > > > 8. Great Vibes
>>> > >
>>> > > My vote for 7 and near 8. Maybe 8 beter because has ligatures
>>> > > Regards.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > ---------
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
>>> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>>
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list
>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>>
>>
>
6:36 p.m.
The original maker of Pushkin is: A.S.Puskin & ParaType, 1999. All rights
reserved.
If you can get them to offer their font under a SIL Open Font License, it
will be consideration worthy for the project.
If you think they might object to people adding characters to their
non-free font, and giving it away for free, you may want to avoid rocking
the boat. Looks like over 22k people have downloaded and redistributed
modified versions of it.
Yet one more reason to demand OFL
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:28 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Sorry John, I'm in a hurry to respond to everyone between renders
here at
work, so I apologise about the name.
A font based on a non-open font (which contains original non-free
characters) is not an Open Font, even if the new characters are Open. Can
you verify that none of the characters from this font are from the
original, proprietary Pushkin font? We have to be careful. If you can
verify that, and that the original maker of Pushkin is not going to come
after us with lawsuits for copying their font, I will add it to the list
for consideration.
Thanks.
-C
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:22 AM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote:
> All of those have been the case for years, as I asked, why I'd it
> suddenly an issue?
>
> There's an open font based on Pushkin's handwriting that has all the
> extra characters.
>
> http://scribusstuff.org/content/show.php/Pushkin?content=106881
>
> And its John by the way, Cliffs my surname.
> On 23 Sep 2015 10:14, "C R" <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>
>> Hi Cliff. The collection of fonts that Google has were not all designed
>> by google, they are just available through Google. People at Google
>> collected them from all over the internet, and provide access to them
>> through their servers as a means of making them available to everyone,
>> everywhere so there is no need to use the default "safe" webfonts in
web
>> pages, which are not only proprietary, but quite limited.
>>
>> The problems with Pushkin are:
>>
>> Reasons for this are:
>>
>> 1. We can not change the font - Thus, we are unable to add extra
>> character support for other languages.
>> 2. We can not use the font elsewhere without paying more license fees,
>> and we would like to be able to use the same font on the website, in
>> tutorial videos, and other user documentation.
>> 3. We can not distribute the font with Inkscape materials without paying
>> license fees.
>> 4. Our users can't use the font in their own materials without paying
>> license fees.
>> 5. Open fonts rock, in all the same ways that Open Source software
>> rocks, and contributes to creative freedom, which is in line with the
>> project's creedo "Draw Freely".
>>
>> Thanks for your suggestions. :)
>>
>> -C
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:43 AM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Still think Pushkin is better than all the others, and it has actual
>>> meaning, as opposed to being some random script designed by google. He was
>>> an artist who was heavily censored, draw freely would have resonated with
>>> him I think.
>>>
>>> We've been happily using it for years, why is it suddenly such an issue?
>>> On 14 Sep 2015 08:59, "Tavmjong Bah" <tavmjong@...8...>
wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of all the samples in the original list I like Alex Brush the best.
>>>> (Nice job on creating that page!) But to tell you the truth, I like
>>>> Pushkin better than all the choices. It just reflects the slogan
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>> Tav
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 2015-09-14 at 08:44 +0100, C R wrote:
>>>> > Cool, thanks for the votes. I'm keeping a tally of votes in this
real
>>>> > -time spreadsheet (bookmark it for the latest results):
>>>> >
>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rIrpehWI6thTPNItIsGCX1CLFgYnc
>>>> > RXNzcFm11pSULg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> >
>>>> > I'll be on #inkscape for the next few days to collect as many
votes
>>>> > as possible.
>>>> > If anyone knows someone who should have a vote on this, just send
me
>>>> > the name and the vote choices (name, so I don't accidentally
>>>> > duplicate votes).
>>>> >
>>>> > Happy Monday. :)
>>>> >
>>>> > -C
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Jabier Arraiza <
>>>> > jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
>>>> > > On dom, 2015-09-13 at 22:03 +0100, C R wrote:
>>>> > > > 7. Euphoria Script
>>>> > > > 8. Great Vibes
>>>> > >
>>>> > > My vote for 7 and near 8. Maybe 8 beter because has ligatures
>>>> > > Regards.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> > ---------
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
>>>> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list
>>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>>>
>>>
>>
7:01 p.m.
I have verified that the "free" font 106881-newPushkin.ttf
Contains the original proprietary glyphs of Pushkin, which is
(c) A.S.Puskin & ParaType, 1999.
The .ttf file also contains no license information whatsoever.
This font was downloaded at:
http://scribusstuff.org/content/show.php/Pushkin?content=106881
Recommend immediate removal of this font from all Libre projects.
I will send notifications to KDE devs and the Scribus project as well.
Thanks for calling this to our attention.
-C
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:36 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
The original maker of Pushkin is: A.S.Puskin & ParaType, 1999.
All rights
reserved.
If you can get them to offer their font under a SIL Open Font License, it
will be consideration worthy for the project.
If you think they might object to people adding characters to their
non-free font, and giving it away for free, you may want to avoid rocking
the boat. Looks like over 22k people have downloaded and redistributed
modified versions of it.
Yet one more reason to demand OFL
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:28 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> Sorry John, I'm in a hurry to respond to everyone between renders here at
> work, so I apologise about the name.
> A font based on a non-open font (which contains original non-free
> characters) is not an Open Font, even if the new characters are Open. Can
> you verify that none of the characters from this font are from the
> original, proprietary Pushkin font? We have to be careful. If you can
> verify that, and that the original maker of Pushkin is not going to come
> after us with lawsuits for copying their font, I will add it to the list
> for consideration.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -C
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:22 AM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...>
> wrote:
>
>> All of those have been the case for years, as I asked, why I'd it
>> suddenly an issue?
>>
>> There's an open font based on Pushkin's handwriting that has all the
>> extra characters.
>>
>> http://scribusstuff.org/content/show.php/Pushkin?content=106881
>>
>> And its John by the way, Cliffs my surname.
>> On 23 Sep 2015 10:14, "C R" <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cliff. The collection of fonts that Google has were not all designed
>>> by google, they are just available through Google. People at Google
>>> collected them from all over the internet, and provide access to them
>>> through their servers as a means of making them available to everyone,
>>> everywhere so there is no need to use the default "safe" webfonts
in web
>>> pages, which are not only proprietary, but quite limited.
>>>
>>> The problems with Pushkin are:
>>>
>>> Reasons for this are:
>>>
>>> 1. We can not change the font - Thus, we are unable to add extra
>>> character support for other languages.
>>> 2. We can not use the font elsewhere without paying more license fees,
>>> and we would like to be able to use the same font on the website, in
>>> tutorial videos, and other user documentation.
>>> 3. We can not distribute the font with Inkscape materials without
>>> paying license fees.
>>> 4. Our users can't use the font in their own materials without paying
>>> license fees.
>>> 5. Open fonts rock, in all the same ways that Open Source software
>>> rocks, and contributes to creative freedom, which is in line with the
>>> project's creedo "Draw Freely".
>>>
>>> Thanks for your suggestions. :)
>>>
>>> -C
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:43 AM, John Cliff <john.cliff@...400...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> Still think Pushkin is better than all the others, and it has actual
>>>> meaning, as opposed to being some random script designed by google. He
was
>>>> an artist who was heavily censored, draw freely would have resonated
with
>>>> him I think.
>>>>
>>>> We've been happily using it for years, why is it suddenly such an
>>>> issue?
>>>> On 14 Sep 2015 08:59, "Tavmjong Bah" <tavmjong@...8...>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of all the samples in the original list I like Alex Brush the best.
>>>>> (Nice job on creating that page!) But to tell you the truth, I like
>>>>> Pushkin better than all the choices. It just reflects the slogan
>>>>> better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tav
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 2015-09-14 at 08:44 +0100, C R wrote:
>>>>> > Cool, thanks for the votes. I'm keeping a tally of votes in
this
>>>>> real
>>>>> > -time spreadsheet (bookmark it for the latest results):
>>>>> >
>>>>>
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rIrpehWI6thTPNItIsGCX1CLFgYnc
>>>>> > RXNzcFm11pSULg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'll be on #inkscape for the next few days to collect as
many votes
>>>>> > as possible.
>>>>> > If anyone knows someone who should have a vote on this, just
send me
>>>>> > the name and the vote choices (name, so I don't
accidentally
>>>>> > duplicate votes).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Happy Monday. :)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -C
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Jabier Arraiza <
>>>>> > jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:
>>>>> > > On dom, 2015-09-13 at 22:03 +0100, C R wrote:
>>>>> > > > 7. Euphoria Script
>>>>> > > > 8. Great Vibes
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > My vote for 7 and near 8. Maybe 8 beter because has
ligatures
>>>>> > > Regards.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> > ---------
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > Inkscape-devel mailing list
>>>>> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list
>>>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
12:38 a.m.
On Wed, 2015-09-23 at 10:22 +0100, John Cliff wrote:
All of those have been the case for years, as I asked, why I'd
it
suddenly an issue?
We're none of us perfect and when we need to get better it takes energy
to make the move.
I commend CR's push to cleaning up a most difficult task of social
consensus. Something which could /very/ easily be bike shedded into the
ground.
My interest is in getting the font on the website to match the branding.
Martin Owens
4:16 a.m.
We're none of us perfect and when we need to get better it takes energy
to make the move.
I commend CR's push to cleaning up a most difficult task of social
consensus. Something which could /very/ easily be bike shedded into the
ground.
My interest is in getting the font on the website to match the branding.
Thanks Martin. I appreciate your vote of confidence. :)
It is quite important to me that all who want to may have a say in this
process, for or against it, every viewpoint is appreciated and considered.
I'm also happy to explain things as best I can to get as much of a
consensus as possible.
I will always do my best to make sure everyone is heard and acknowledged,
and I'd like to take a moment to thank everyone for their help and advice
with this task.
Thanks one and all! :)
-C
Martin Owens
3:20 a.m.
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:14:24AM +0100, C R wrote:
Hi Cliff. The collection of fonts that Google has were not all
designed by
google, they are just available through Google. People at Google collected
them from all over the internet, and provide access to them through their
servers as a means of making them available to everyone, everywhere so
there is no need to use the default "safe" webfonts in web pages, which are
not only proprietary, but quite limited.
And by being the CDN for the fonts, they get to see all sorts of
interesting information about which websites each ip goes to ;)
njh
4:04 a.m.
And by being the CDN for the fonts, they get to see all sorts of
interesting information about which websites each ip goes to ;)
njh
Slight correction: By being /A/ CDN they get to see all sorts of
interesting information which websites each ip goes to. Of course that's
even more true of Google search, analytics, etc.
They will not, of course, be able to tell where the fonts are viewed if you
clone their repo on github... ;)
To be clear, I am not suggesting we link to Google's CDN for the website
font. I think we are probably just fine hosting the chosen font(s) on the
inkscape.org website.
-C
4:40 a.m.
We have an informal policy in the web team to not use any CDN except for
fastly, which is the cdn for our content and downloads (much
appreciated) for just the reasons you might suspect.
Once a font is selected it will be included in the website's repository
in the static folder. See 'lp:inkscape-web/inkscape/static/fonts/'
Martin,
On Wed, 2015-09-23 at 20:04 +0100, C R wrote:
And by being the CDN for the fonts, they get to see all sorts
of
interesting information about which websites each ip goes
to ;)
njh
Slight correction: By being /A/ CDN they get to see all sorts of
interesting information which websites each ip goes to. Of course
that's even more true of Google search, analytics, etc.
They will not, of course, be able to tell where the fonts are viewed
if you clone their repo on github... ;)
To be clear, I am not suggesting we link to Google's CDN for the
website font. I think we are probably just fine hosting the chosen
font(s) on the inkscape.org website.
-C
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4:49 a.m.
Oh that's good to know, thanks web team! I was merely noting that
providing and hosting fonts wasn't a completely selfless act. I do
think they are nice fonts, and definite improvement over the options
we had before.
Could inkscape help in the creation of CC fonts? Perhaps a plugin to
manage the various lines, clone into sample text, provide kerning
pairs etc?
njh
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 03:40:50PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
We have an informal policy in the web team to not use any CDN except
for
fastly, which is the cdn for our content and downloads (much
appreciated) for just the reasons you might suspect.
Once a font is selected it will be included in the website's repository
in the static folder. See 'lp:inkscape-web/inkscape/static/fonts/'
Martin,
On Wed, 2015-09-23 at 20:04 +0100, C R wrote:
>
> And by being the CDN for the fonts, they get to see all sorts
> of
> interesting information about which websites each ip goes
> to ;)
>
> njh
>
>
> Slight correction: By being /A/ CDN they get to see all sorts of
> interesting information which websites each ip goes to. Of course
> that's even more true of Google search, analytics, etc.
> They will not, of course, be able to tell where the fonts are viewed
> if you clone their repo on github... ;)
> To be clear, I am not suggesting we link to Google's CDN for the
> website font. I think we are probably just fine hosting the chosen
> font(s) on the inkscape.org website.
>
>
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4:27 p.m.
Hi Everyone,
What kind of player do I need to show a OGV video? Windows Media
Player doesn't recognize it.
Thanks :-)
brynn
____________________
From: C R
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:21 PM
To: Brynn
Cc: inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) )
I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down with some
emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself, but ran
out of time tonight.
However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement:
www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw Freely" will be
scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has been a
pleasant one. :)
More soon.
-C
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source Animation
Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! :)
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like people are
ready to do this!
This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage. You're not
late either, it's early times still. :)
(sorry, kind of long)
Also never a problem. More information is better!
Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!
I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the Inkscape
community. I've done some both intensive and extensive searching for
Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of tutorials, for the
community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted to provide).
http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting these
resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will be quite
useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in terms of
information content and possible linking from the finished documentation
(pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be good to
have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org website, one to
a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of excellent
community-done resources.
For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small official
videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a matter of
preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even my own
preference changes depending on my moods, so having both available is no bad
thing.
Official videos have manifold purpose:
-They provide concise context-relevant information that we can include
alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having to google
for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent learning in
a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a list of
several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of repeating
concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be be a lot of
gap-filling as well.
-They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the professional
image of the project, and is important for trust and provides a nicer
experience for new users. I've lost count how many times people posting on
the forums have been told to "google it" (even though I reached these
comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it? Users can spend
more time learning, and less time reading what other users think about their
issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly hundreds of
comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer, on the spot,
that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
-They are a resource under the project's control. One of the criticisms that
our open source community faces is that information is scatter-shot, and you
may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken to the original
content, or the content may only be available in some countries. Having
control over our content ensures we can reach the most people.
-They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. This is
important not only for development purposes, but also for social media
campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics conventions,
etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So thanks
again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)
-It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional resource for
serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a must for a
project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more
advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there are, the more
eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as well with
each video, gaining the project more exposure.
-It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for professional
design workflows, as well as educate new users, and ease the transition from
commercial software packages. (If you Like Illustrator, you're going to LOVE
Inkscape!) :D
So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to find
tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine. Nothing
fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just have not
ventured outside of DA, in their search?
Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of the
problems with video content is if you are looking for something very
specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials, hoping
they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more easily
with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant keywords. The
inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search these
keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also recommend an
expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click down and
feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what a feature
is named).
For example, a piece of the tree could go:
+Tools
-Select and Transform Tool
-Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
+Tweak Objects Tool
- Tool Overview
- Using Different Modes
- Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want
+ FAQ / Troubleshooting
- Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob?
- It's only working on some objects, but not others
- etc.
-Zoom Tool
-Measurement Tool
-Rectangle/Square Tool
-etc.
-Working with Shapes
-Working with Layers
-Working with Groups
-Selecting
-Filters
-Exporting
+Using Colours
-What is a colour space?
-What is a colour system?
+FAQ / Troubleshooting
-My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh!
-My greens are looking too Blue in print
-My blacks are too grey in print
+What should I use for my project?
+Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
-Pre-Press Considerations
-etc. etc.
Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others could have a
quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important to include all
the written and video materials together, so visitors do not have to visit
different sections of the website to find the information they are after.
Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are "official"
tutorials.
There was some talk a few months ago about building a Documentation team,
and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a group
(although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more time.....I
don't remember the exact details anymore).
I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved previously do
not presently have the time.
I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so currently
available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials with music
background and no narration. I have never seen such a video that I found
was helpful, in my opinion.
There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step, rather than
voiced over.
There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but I'd like to
start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and I'm not
convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
(You may notice there are probably less than 5
YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many worthwhile, that
aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them ourselves.
Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series are still
the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat dated). I
think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there is some
consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text tutorials.
Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video tutorials, more
than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation videos, we
will need more concise and much shorter videos with less banter, and none of
the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials (the bouncing
bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making tutorials. Has
anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the videos? (I
haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)
I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit (which
includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will be easier
to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen-captures, and
captioning).
It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates are the
ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the tutorial
content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these initial steps
is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional looking
videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial sample
completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on feedback.
Thanks for listening,
brynn
Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.
-C
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
To: "Inkscape Devel List" <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
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6:29 p.m.
Here, try this file instead:
http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation...
For a (vastly) superior, cross-platform video player, check out VLC:
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
Be sure to drop them a few bucks via their donation page after you discover
how awesome VLC player is. :D
-C
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
What kind of player do I need to show a OGV video? Windows Media
Player doesn't recognize it.
Thanks :-)
brynn
____________________
From: C R
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:21 PM
To: Brynn
Cc: inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) )
I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down with some
emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself, but ran
out of time tonight.
However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement:
www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw Freely" will
be
scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has been a
pleasant one. :)
More soon.
-C
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source
Animation
Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! :)
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like people are
ready to do this!
This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage. You're not
late either, it's early times still. :)
(sorry, kind of long)
Also never a problem. More information is better!
Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!
I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the Inkscape
community. I've done some both intensive and extensive searching for
Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of tutorials, for the
community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted to
provide).
http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting these
resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will be quite
useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in terms of
information content and possible linking from the finished documentation
(pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be good to
have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org website, one to
a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of excellent
community-done resources.
For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small official
videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a matter of
preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even my own
preference changes depending on my moods, so having both available is no
bad
thing.
Official videos have manifold purpose:
-They provide concise context-relevant information that we can include
alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having to google
for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent learning
in
a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a list of
several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of repeating
concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be be a lot
of
gap-filling as well.
-They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the
professional
image of the project, and is important for trust and provides a nicer
experience for new users. I've lost count how many times people posting on
the forums have been told to "google it" (even though I reached these
comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it? Users can spend
more time learning, and less time reading what other users think about
their
issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly hundreds of
comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer, on the spot,
that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
-They are a resource under the project's control. One of the criticisms
that
our open source community faces is that information is scatter-shot, and
you
may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken to the original
content, or the content may only be available in some countries. Having
control over our content ensures we can reach the most people.
-They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. This is
important not only for development purposes, but also for social media
campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics conventions,
etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So thanks
again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)
-It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional resource for
serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a must for a
project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more
advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there are, the
more
eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as well with
each video, gaining the project more exposure.
-It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for professional
design workflows, as well as educate new users, and ease the transition
from
commercial software packages. (If you Like Illustrator, you're going to
LOVE
Inkscape!) :D
So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to find
tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine. Nothing
fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just have not
ventured outside of DA, in their search?
Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of the
problems with video content is if you are looking for something very
specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials, hoping
they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more easily
with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant keywords. The
inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search these
keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also recommend an
expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click down and
feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what a feature
is named).
For example, a piece of the tree could go:
+Tools
-Select and Transform Tool
-Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
+Tweak Objects Tool
- Tool Overview
- Using Different Modes
- Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want
+ FAQ / Troubleshooting
- Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob?
- It's only working on some objects, but not others
- etc.
-Zoom Tool
-Measurement Tool
-Rectangle/Square Tool
-etc.
-Working with Shapes
-Working with Layers
-Working with Groups
-Selecting
-Filters
-Exporting
+Using Colours
-What is a colour space?
-What is a colour system?
+FAQ / Troubleshooting
-My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh!
-My greens are looking too Blue in print
-My blacks are too grey in print
+What should I use for my project?
+Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
-Pre-Press Considerations
-etc. etc.
Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others could have
a
quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important to include all
the written and video materials together, so visitors do not have to visit
different sections of the website to find the information they are after.
Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are "official"
tutorials.
There was some talk a few months ago about building a Documentation team,
and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a group
(although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more
time.....I
don't remember the exact details anymore).
I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved previously
do
not presently have the time.
I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so currently
available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials with
music
background and no narration. I have never seen such a video that I found
was helpful, in my opinion.
There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step, rather than
voiced over.
There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but I'd like to
start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and I'm not
convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
(You may notice there are probably less than 5
YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many worthwhile,
that
aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them ourselves.
Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series are still
the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat dated). I
think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there is some
consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text tutorials.
Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video tutorials, more
than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation videos, we
will need more concise and much shorter videos with less banter, and none
of
the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials (the
bouncing
bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making tutorials. Has
anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the videos? (I
haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)
I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit (which
includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will be easier
to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen-captures, and
captioning).
It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates are the
ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the tutorial
content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these initial steps
is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional looking
videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial sample
completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on
feedback.
Thanks for listening,
brynn
Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.
-C
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
To: "Inkscape Devel List" <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
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6:52 p.m.
Maybe the bottom part could be upper to avoid video controls ans info,
ads...
Regards.
On mar, 2015-09-01 at 10:29 +0100, C R wrote:
Here, try this file instead:
http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation...
For a (vastly) superior, cross-platform video player, check out VLC:
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
Be sure to drop them a few bucks via their donation page after you
discover how awesome VLC player is. :D
-C
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
What kind of player do I need to show a OGV video?
Windows Media
Player doesn't recognize it.
Thanks :-)
brynn
____________________
From: C R
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:21 PM
To: Brynn
Cc: inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;)
)
I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down
with some
emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded
myself, but ran
out of time tonight.
However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night
amusement:
www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw
Freely"
will be
scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend
has been a
pleasant one. :)
More soon.
-C
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...>
wrote:
PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open
Source Animation
Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! :)
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds
like people are
ready to do this!
This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any
stage. You're not
late either, it's early times still. :)
(sorry, kind of long)
Also never a problem. More information is better!
Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!
I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the
Inkscape
community. I've done some both intensive and extensive
searching for
Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of
tutorials, for the
community (something I saw lacking in the community, and
wanted to provide).
http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting
these
resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they
will be quite
useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in
terms of
information content and possible linking from the finished
documentation
(pending approval from the parties that made them). It may
also be good to
have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org
website, one to
a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set
of excellent
community-done resources.
For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small
official
videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite
a matter of
preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial).
Even my own
preference changes depending on my moods, so having both
available is no bad
thing.
Official videos have manifold purpose:
-They provide concise context-relevant information that we can
include
alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time
having to google
for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be
spent learning in
a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from
even a list of
several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot
of repeating
concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also
be be a lot of
gap-filling as well.
-They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to
the professional
image of the project, and is important for trust and provides
a nicer
experience for new users. I've lost count how many times
people posting on
the forums have been told to "google it" (even though I
reached these
comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it?
Users can spend
more time learning, and less time reading what other users
think about their
issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly
hundreds of
comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer,
on the spot,
that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
-They are a resource under the project's control. One of the
criticisms that
our open source community faces is that information is
scatter-shot, and you
may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken to
the original
content, or the content may only be available in some
countries. Having
control over our content ensures we can reach the most people.
-They give us another opportunity to connect with more users.
This is
important not only for development purposes, but also for
social media
campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics
conventions,
etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw.
So thanks
again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)
-It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional
resource for
serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a
must for a
project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one
more
advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there
are, the more
eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as
well with
each video, gaining the project more exposure.
-It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for
professional
design workflows, as well as educate new users, and ease the
transition from
commercial software packages. (If you Like Illustrator, you're
going to LOVE
Inkscape!) :D
So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to
find
tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search
engine. Nothing
fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just
have not
ventured outside of DA, in their search?
Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One
of the
problems with video content is if you are looking for
something very
specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete
tutorials, hoping
they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved
more easily
with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant
keywords. The
inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to
search these
keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also
recommend an
expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to
click down and
feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know
what a feature
is named).
For example, a piece of the tree could go:
+Tools
-Select and Transform Tool
-Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
+Tweak Objects Tool
- Tool Overview
- Using Different Modes
- Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you
want
+ FAQ / Troubleshooting
- Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob?
- It's only working on some objects, but not others
- etc.
-Zoom Tool
-Measurement Tool
-Rectangle/Square Tool
-etc.
-Working with Shapes
-Working with Layers
-Working with Groups
-Selecting
-Filters
-Exporting
+Using Colours
-What is a colour space?
-What is a colour system?
+FAQ / Troubleshooting
-My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh!
-My greens are looking too Blue in print
-My blacks are too grey in print
+What should I use for my project?
+Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
-Pre-Press Considerations
-etc. etc.
Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos.
Others could have a
quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important to
include all
the written and video materials together, so visitors do not
have to visit
different sections of the website to find the information they
are after.
Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are
"official" tutorials.
There was some talk a few months ago about building a
Documentation team,
and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a
group
(although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had
more time.....I
don't remember the exact details anymore).
I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved
previously do
not presently have the time.
I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so
currently
available. But I have serious reservations about video
tutorials with music
background and no narration. I have never seen such a video
that I found
was helpful, in my opinion.
There will be narration, it will just be textual,
step-by-step, rather than
voiced over.
There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs,
but I'd like to
start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and
I'm not
convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
(You may notice there are probably less than 5
YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many
worthwhile, that
aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them
ourselves.
Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin)
series are still
the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat
dated). I
think they represent the standard we should strive for, if
there is some
consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text
tutorials.
Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video
tutorials, more
than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature
documentation videos, we
will need more concise and much shorter videos with less
banter, and none of
the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials
(the bouncing
bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making
tutorials. Has
anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the
videos? (I
haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)
I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the
kit (which
includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it
will be easier
to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts
(screen-captures, and
captioning).
It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and
templates are the
ground-work for a professional video series. They will make
the tutorial
content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these
initial steps
is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick,
professional looking
videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial
sample
completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit
based on feedback.
Thanks for listening,
brynn
Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.
-C
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9:56 p.m.
There should not be any info ads... ever. As for the controls... the video
content should not have to compensate for poor video player ui decisions. I
can add a little more lead-in time so the controls have time to vanish, but
that's where the captions will go anyway, so there really isn't any getting
around it. :)
-C
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...>
wrote:
Maybe the bottom part could be upper to avoid video controls ans
info,
ads...
Regards.
On mar, 2015-09-01 at 10:29 +0100, C R wrote:
> Here, try this file instead:
>
http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation...
>
>
>
> For a (vastly) superior, cross-platform video player, check out VLC:
> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
>
>
>
> Be sure to drop them a few bucks via their donation page after you
> discover how awesome VLC player is. :D
>
>
> -C
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> What kind of player do I need to show a OGV video?
> Windows Media
> Player doesn't recognize it.
>
> Thanks :-)
> brynn
> ____________________
>
>
> From: C R
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:21 PM
> To: Brynn
> Cc: inkscape-devel
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
>
>
> Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;)
> )
> I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down
> with some
> emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
> I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded
> myself, but ran
> out of time tonight.
> However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night
> amusement:
>
>
>
www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
>
>
>
> The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw
Freely"
> will be
> scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
>
>
> Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend
> has been a
> pleasant one. :)
>
>
> More soon.
>
>
> -C
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...>
> wrote:
>
> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open
> Source Animation
> Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! :)
>
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>
>
>
> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds
> like people are
> ready to do this!
>
>
>
> This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any
> stage. You're not
> late either, it's early times still. :)
>
> (sorry, kind of long)
>
>
>
>
> Also never a problem. More information is better!
> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise!
>
> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the
> Inkscape
> community. I've done some both intensive and extensive
> searching for
> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of
> tutorials, for the
> community (something I saw lacking in the community, and
> wanted to provide).
> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting
> these
> resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they
> will be quite
> useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in
> terms of
> information content and possible linking from the finished
> documentation
> (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may
> also be good to
> have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org
> website, one to
> a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set
> of excellent
> community-done resources.
>
>
>
> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small
> official
> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite
> a matter of
> preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial).
> Even my own
> preference changes depending on my moods, so having both
> available is no bad
> thing.
>
>
> Official videos have manifold purpose:
>
>
> -They provide concise context-relevant information that we can
> include
> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time
> having to google
> for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be
> spent learning in
> a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from
> even a list of
> several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot
> of repeating
> concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also
> be be a lot of
> gap-filling as well.
>
>
> -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to
> the professional
> image of the project, and is important for trust and provides
> a nicer
> experience for new users. I've lost count how many times
> people posting on
> the forums have been told to "google it" (even though I
> reached these
> comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it?
> Users can spend
> more time learning, and less time reading what other users
> think about their
> issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly
> hundreds of
> comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer,
> on the spot,
> that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
>
>
> -They are a resource under the project's control. One of the
> criticisms that
> our open source community faces is that information is
> scatter-shot, and you
> may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken to
> the original
> content, or the content may only be available in some
> countries. Having
> control over our content ensures we can reach the most people.
>
>
> -They give us another opportunity to connect with more users.
> This is
> important not only for development purposes, but also for
> social media
> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics
> conventions,
> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw.
> So thanks
> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!)
>
>
> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional
> resource for
> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a
> must for a
> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one
> more
> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there
> are, the more
> eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as
> well with
> each video, gaining the project more exposure.
>
>
> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for
> professional
> design workflows, as well as educate new users, and ease the
> transition from
> commercial software packages. (If you Like Illustrator, you're
> going to LOVE
> Inkscape!) :D
>
>
>
> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to
> find
> tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search
> engine. Nothing
> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just
> have not
> ventured outside of DA, in their search?
>
>
>
> Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One
> of the
> problems with video content is if you are looking for
> something very
> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete
> tutorials, hoping
> they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved
> more easily
> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant
> keywords. The
> inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to
> search these
> keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also
> recommend an
> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to
> click down and
> feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know
> what a feature
> is named).
>
>
>
>
> For example, a piece of the tree could go:
>
>
> +Tools
> -Select and Transform Tool
> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
> +Tweak Objects Tool
> - Tool Overview
> - Using Different Modes
> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you
> want
>
> + FAQ / Troubleshooting
>
> - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob?
> - It's only working on some objects, but not others
> - etc.
> -Zoom Tool
>
> -Measurement Tool
> -Rectangle/Square Tool
> -etc.
>
> -Working with Shapes
>
> -Working with Layers
>
> -Working with Groups
> -Selecting
> -Filters
>
> -Exporting
> +Using Colours
>
> -What is a colour space?
> -What is a colour system?
> +FAQ / Troubleshooting
> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh!
> -My greens are looking too Blue in print
> -My blacks are too grey in print
> +What should I use for my project?
> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
> -Pre-Press Considerations
> -etc. etc.
>
>
>
>
> Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos.
> Others could have a
> quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important to
> include all
> the written and video materials together, so visitors do not
> have to visit
> different sections of the website to find the information they
> are after.
>
>
>
> Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are
> "official" tutorials.
> There was some talk a few months ago about building a
> Documentation team,
> and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a
> group
> (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had
> more time.....I
> don't remember the exact details anymore).
>
>
>
>
>
> I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved
> previously do
> not presently have the time.
>
>
> I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so
> currently
> available. But I have serious reservations about video
> tutorials with music
> background and no narration. I have never seen such a video
> that I found
> was helpful, in my opinion.
>
>
> There will be narration, it will just be textual,
> step-by-step, rather than
> voiced over.
> There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs,
> but I'd like to
> start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and
> I'm not
> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
>
>
> (You may notice there are probably less than 5
> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many
> worthwhile, that
> aren't connected to a proprietary venture.)
>
>
>
> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them
> ourselves.
>
> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin)
> series are still
> the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat
> dated). I
> think they represent the standard we should strive for, if
> there is some
> consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text
> tutorials.
> Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video
> tutorials, more
> than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
>
>
>
> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature
> documentation videos, we
> will need more concise and much shorter videos with less
> banter, and none of
> the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
>
> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials
> (the bouncing
> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making
> tutorials. Has
> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the
> videos? (I
> haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.)
>
>
>
> I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the
> kit (which
> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it
> will be easier
> to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts
> (screen-captures, and
> captioning).
> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and
> templates are the
> ground-work for a professional video series. They will make
> the tutorial
> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these
> initial steps
> is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick,
> professional looking
> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial
> sample
> completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit
> based on feedback.
>
>
>
> Thanks for listening,
> brynn
>
>
>
> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously.
>
>
> -C
>
>
>
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9:43 p.m.
in my case, Windows 7 (32 bit), Windows Media Player 12, I installed the
codec from: http://xiph.org/dshow/
in the Control Panel it shows up as Xiph.org Open Codecs 0.85.17777
hth,
Alvin
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Hi CR,
The animation looks fairly good so far; it reminds me a lot of the pixar
logo animation.
I'd have the blob not look around and just go for the jump. The squashed
frame also looked a little odd to me, I'm not sure why but it was as if
the squashed version didn't match the blog version.
But these are nitpicks, as it is it's good for what we need and better
than I could do with blender :-)
Martin,
On Mon, 2015-08-31 at 22:21 +0100, C R wrote:
Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) )
I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down with
some emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself, but
ran out of time tonight.
However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement:
www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw Freely" will
be
scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has been a
pleasant one. :)
1:24 a.m.
He's looking around? I thought he was stretching himself out, to be shaped
more like the Inkscape logo.
If I were going to make any suggestion, it would be for more amplitude on
the bounces. Would be more cartoony, to be more exaggerated.
Will there be audio on this part? Nice "boing, boing, boing" sound? Or
maybe "drip, drip, drip" sound?
Just a thought :-)
(Thanks for different format, and info for different player.)
brynn
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From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 10:08 AM
To: "C R" <cajhne@...400...>
Cc: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...>; "inkscape-devel"
<inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
"I'd have the blob not look around and just go for the jump. The squashed
frame also looked a little odd to me, I'm not sure why but it was as if
the squashed version didn't match the blog version."
1:45 a.m.
Yep, working on the sound effects. There will be a splat sound as the blob
lands, and a springy-pop sound as the blob jumps. As the scene fades in
from black (or possibly white), so the bouncing will fade in before you see
the blob bounce onto the screen. When the blob slides, there will be a
slipping, hiss and squeak to convey the friction of the blob coming to a
rest. I'm also thinking of making the blob more droplet-like. Like an ink
drop, which helps personify the ink-drop as a character, making it a little
bit more than just a blob.
I will also play with the amplitude, and I think I agree about the looking
both ways bit. It's playful and fun, but mainly serves to make the intro
longer... which it doesn't really need to be. :)
Thanks for the input. I may also try moving the floor up just a hair. It's
annoying that video players insist on pasting controls over the video
content, but it's probably not going to change. Bringing it up a little
probably will not hurt the animation.
If we like the inkdrop as a character/mascot, we can re-use it to introduce
things, and add to the collection of Inkscape branding/artwork. Would be
kind of fun to have the inkdrop do other things in the future. Maybe it
falls through space, and the camera follows it down to fall into an
inkscape-logo shaped glass or something, etc. not that we need to do that
now, but to switch it up a bit as our collection grows, there are (lots)
other fun possibilities. :)
Thanks one and all for the feedback. :)
-C
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
He's looking around? I thought he was stretching himself out, to
be shaped
more like the Inkscape logo.
If I were going to make any suggestion, it would be for more amplitude on
the bounces. Would be more cartoony, to be more exaggerated.
Will there be audio on this part? Nice "boing, boing, boing" sound? Or
maybe "drip, drip, drip" sound?
Just a thought :-)
(Thanks for different format, and info for different player.)
brynn
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Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 10:08 AM
To: "C R" <cajhne@...400...>
Cc: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...>; "inkscape-devel"
<inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
"I'd have the blob not look around and just go for the jump. The squashed
frame also looked a little odd to me, I'm not sure why but it was as if
the squashed version didn't match the blog version."
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Yes, agreed about the squashed frame. She squashes too flat, I think. I'll
fix that as well, and do a version with the slide, stop and wiggle/crouch
to jump without looking around.
-C
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
He's looking around? I thought he was stretching himself out, to
be shaped
more like the Inkscape logo.
If I were going to make any suggestion, it would be for more amplitude on
the bounces. Would be more cartoony, to be more exaggerated.
Will there be audio on this part? Nice "boing, boing, boing" sound? Or
maybe "drip, drip, drip" sound?
Just a thought :-)
(Thanks for different format, and info for different player.)
brynn
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 10:08 AM
To: "C R" <cajhne@...400...>
Cc: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...>; "inkscape-devel"
<inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)
"I'd have the blob not look around and just go for the jump. The squashed
frame also looked a little odd to me, I'm not sure why but it was as if
the squashed version didn't match the blog version."
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