Re: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials)

I'd rather use libre fonts where possible. Something that comes with a SIL, Apache, or cc0 font license/rights waiver. I don't want anything with attribution requirements. All materials, imho should be libre so people are free and protected against other people suing them for helping the Inkscape project. There is a true wealth of excellent scripty fonts, and Roman-Caps serif fonts. I'll pick the closest matches and maybe we can vote on it or something. :) If someone has a reason for really wanting to use proprietary fonts, artwork, etc. for branding I can... but I'd like to avoid it if at all possible. -C On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Andler <scislac@...400...> wrote: > Per Jabier's reply, the branding folder contains a file that has the > proper branding for the text elements. They're vector, so it should be > easy to work with. Obviously the newer logo is what should be used > (which you're already doing). > > I don't recall what font was used for INKSCAPE, but it was a Pushkin > font that was used for Draw Freely. > http://www.paratype.com/pstore/fonts/pushkin.htm It was created by > someone with a license for the font, but it does raise the question > about how we feel about proprietary stuff used for our brand. > > Cheers, > Josh > > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: > > Thanks! > > And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style for writing > > "Draw Freely". > > > > This leaves me with some options: > > > > 1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite is the > one > > accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset for > this? I > > could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work. > > > > 2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If like to > do > > it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that pressure > > sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time being. > > > > 3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding stuff, > and > > if there isn't, start one. :) > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not, I'm tempted to > raid > > Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative. > > > > -C > > > > On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler" <scislac@...400...> wrote: > >> > >> Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your description), > >> but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw Freely" from the about screen > >> should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking forward to > >> seeing the next iteration! > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Josh > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: > >> > Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking ;) ) > >> > I've almost completed the intro animation, but got bogged down with > some > >> > emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute. > >> > I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've recorded myself, but > >> > ran > >> > out of time tonight. > >> > However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night amusement: > >> > > >> > > >> > > www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv > >> > > >> > The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and "Draw Freely" will > be > >> > scribbled in underneath it as last additions. > >> > > >> > Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective weekend has been > a > >> > pleasant one. :) > >> > > >> > More soon. > >> > > >> > -C > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig Open Source > >> >> Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show them some love! :) > >> >> > >> >> > https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I guess it sounds like > >> >>>> people > >> >>>> are > >> >>>> ready to do this! > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> This will be an ongoing project, so input is great at any stage. > >> >>> You're > >> >>> not late either, it's early times still. :) > >> >>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> (sorry, kind of long) > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Also never a problem. More information is better! > >> >>> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your advise! > >> >>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of tutorials in the > Inkscape > >> >>>> community. I've done some both intensive and extensive searching > for > >> >>>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized source of tutorials, > for > >> >>>> the > >> >>>> community (something I saw lacking in the community, and wanted to > >> >>>> provide). > >> >>>> http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting and vetting these > >> >>> resources! :) I'll have a look through these, I'm sure they will be > >> >>> quite > >> >>> useful not only in determining the best way to proceed, but in > terms > >> >>> of > >> >>> information content and possible linking from the finished > >> >>> documentation > >> >>> (pending approval from the parties that made them). It may also be > >> >>> good to > >> >>> have two video sections that link off the main Inkscape.org > website, > >> >>> one to > >> >>> a set of official tutorials, and the other to the growing set of > >> >>> excellent > >> >>> community-done resources. > >> >>> > >> >>> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to have small > official > >> >>> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that it's quite a > matter > >> >>> of > >> >>> preference which people prefer (written or video tutorial). Even my > >> >>> own > >> >>> preference changes depending on my moods, so having both available > is > >> >>> no bad > >> >>> thing. > >> >>> > >> >>> Official videos have manifold purpose: > >> >>> > >> >>> -They provide concise context-relevant information that we can > include > >> >>> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This saves time having to > >> >>> google > >> >>> for videos of the information at hand, so more time can be spent > >> >>> learning in > >> >>> a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to get from even a > list > >> >>> of > >> >>> several thousand user-contributed videos. There will be a lot of > >> >>> repeating > >> >>> concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there will also be > be a > >> >>> lot of > >> >>> gap-filling as well. > >> >>> > >> >>> -They provide more content-rich inkscape.org, which adds to the > >> >>> professional image of the project, and is important for trust and > >> >>> provides a > >> >>> nicer experience for new users. I've lost count how many times > people > >> >>> posting on the forums have been told to "google it" (even though I > >> >>> reached > >> >>> these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have to google it? > Users > >> >>> can > >> >>> spend more time learning, and less time reading what other users > think > >> >>> about > >> >>> their issue on forums (that's time saved in hours across possibly > >> >>> hundreds > >> >>> of comments). We are in the unique position to provide an answer, > on > >> >>> the > >> >>> spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :) > >> >>> > >> >>> -They are a resource under the project's control. One of the > >> >>> criticisms > >> >>> that our open source community faces is that information is > >> >>> scatter-shot, > >> >>> and you may not be able to find resources, or links may be broken > to > >> >>> the > >> >>> original content, or the content may only be available in some > >> >>> countries. > >> >>> Having control over our content ensures we can reach the most > people. > >> >>> > >> >>> -They give us another opportunity to connect with more users. This > is > >> >>> important not only for development purposes, but also for social > media > >> >>> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing at graphics > >> >>> conventions, > >> >>> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in Inkscape, btw. So > >> >>> thanks > >> >>> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy for me!) > >> >>> > >> >>> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a professional > resource > >> >>> for > >> >>> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out videos are a must > >> >>> for a > >> >>> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet one one more > >> >>> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of them there are, > >> >>> the more > >> >>> eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search keywords as well > >> >>> with > >> >>> each video, gaining the project more exposure. > >> >>> > >> >>> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best practices for > >> >>> professional design workflows, as well as educate new users, and > ease > >> >>> the > >> >>> transition from commercial software packages. (If you Like > >> >>> Illustrator, > >> >>> you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people not being able to find > >> >>>> tutorials. I did that all with my handy internet search engine. > >> >>>> Nothing > >> >>>> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe those folks just have > not > >> >>>> ventured outside of DA, in their search? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Or their search terms didn't turn up any relevant videos. One of > the > >> >>> problems with video content is if you are looking for something > very > >> >>> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of complete tutorials, > >> >>> hoping > >> >>> they cover the thing you want to know. This problem is solved more > >> >>> easily > >> >>> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all relevant keywords. > The > >> >>> inkscape.org website should also contain a search box to search > these > >> >>> keywords in our own collection of official videos. I also > recommend an > >> >>> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a way to click > down > >> >>> and > >> >>> feel out what you are searching for (handy if you don't know what a > >> >>> feature > >> >>> is named). > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> For example, a piece of the tree could go: > >> >>> > >> >>> +Tools > >> >>> -Select and Transform Tool > >> >>> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool > >> >>> +Tweak Objects Tool > >> >>> - Tool Overview > >> >>> - Using Different Modes > >> >>> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the effects you want > >> >>> + FAQ / Troubleshooting > >> >>> - Why does the rest of my shape turn into a glob? > >> >>> - It's only working on some objects, but not others > >> >>> - etc. > >> >>> -Zoom Tool > >> >>> -Measurement Tool > >> >>> -Rectangle/Square Tool > >> >>> -etc. > >> >>> -Working with Shapes > >> >>> -Working with Layers > >> >>> -Working with Groups > >> >>> -Selecting > >> >>> -Filters > >> >>> -Exporting > >> >>> +Using Colours > >> >>> -What is a colour space? > >> >>> -What is a colour system? > >> >>> +FAQ / Troubleshooting > >> >>> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file, arrrgh! > >> >>> -My greens are looking too Blue in print > >> >>> -My blacks are too grey in print > >> >>> +What should I use for my project? > >> >>> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours? > >> >>> -Pre-Press Considerations > >> >>> -etc. etc. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Note that only certain branches of the tree need videos. Others > could > >> >>> have a quick animated gif with a text explanation. It's important > to > >> >>> include > >> >>> all the written and video materials together, so visitors do not > have > >> >>> to > >> >>> visit different sections of the website to find the information > they > >> >>> are > >> >>> after. > >> >>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Nevertheless, I do think it's important that there are "official" > >> >>>> tutorials. > >> >>>> There was some talk a few months ago about building a > Documentation > >> >>>> team, > >> >>>> and I would certainly look forward to participating in such a > group > >> >>>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen when someone had more > >> >>>> time.....I > >> >>>> don't remember the exact details anymore). > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> I would be happy to assist the Documentation team. > >> >>> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if those involved > >> >>> previously > >> >>> do not presently have the time. > >> >>> > >> >>>> I think more *official* tutorials are needed, than the 6 or so > >> >>>> currently > >> >>>> available. But I have serious reservations about video tutorials > >> >>>> with > >> >>>> music > >> >>>> background and no narration. I have never seen such a video that > I > >> >>>> found > >> >>>> was helpful, in my opinion. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> There will be narration, it will just be textual, step-by-step, > rather > >> >>> than voiced over. > >> >>> There is nothing preventing people from adding voice overs, but I'd > >> >>> like > >> >>> to start cranking out as many of these videos as possible, and I'm > not > >> >>> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :) > >> >>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> (You may notice there are probably less than 5 > >> >>>> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I haven't found many > >> >>>> worthwhile, > >> >>>> that > >> >>>> aren't connected to a proprietary venture.) > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of doing them > ourselves. > >> >>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard Querrin) series > are > >> >>>> still > >> >>>> the best video tutorials around, imo (even though now somewhat > >> >>>> dated). > >> >>>> I > >> >>>> think they represent the standard we should strive for, if there > is > >> >>>> some > >> >>>> consensus that video tutorials are needed more that text > tutorials. > >> >>>> Although I haven't seen any indication of a need for video > tutorials, > >> >>>> more > >> >>>> than text. It's just trendy, afaict. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for feature documentation > >> >>> videos, > >> >>> we will need more concise and much shorter videos with less banter, > >> >>> and none > >> >>> of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :) > >> >>> > >> >>> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to the tutorials (the > >> >>> bouncing > >> >>>> > >> >>>> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the fun part of making > >> >>>> tutorials. > >> >>>> Has > >> >>>> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial part of the videos? > >> >>>> (I > >> >>>> haven't finished with reading the whole thread yet.) > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> I'm volunteering for both at this point, but once we have the kit > >> >>> (which > >> >>> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption overlay), it will be > >> >>> easier > >> >>> to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts (screen-captures, > and > >> >>> captioning). > >> >>> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format and templates > are > >> >>> the > >> >>> ground-work for a professional video series. They will make the > >> >>> tutorial > >> >>> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The point of these > initial > >> >>> steps > >> >>> is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick, professional > >> >>> looking > >> >>> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have the initial sample > >> >>> completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it a bit based on > >> >>> feedback. > >> >>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Thanks for listening, > >> >>>> brynn > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help tremendously. > >> >>> > >> >>> -C > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- > >> >>>> From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> > >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM > >> >>>> To: "Inkscape Devel List" <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net&gt; > >> >>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help (tutorials) > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> > Inkscape-devel mailing list > >> >>>> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > >> >>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list > >> >>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > >> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Inkscape-devel mailing list > >> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > >> > >