Time to add the sound and text!
-C
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Actually, now that I've uploaded it, I'm not actually to keen
on the shape
of it. Think I'll make it symmetrical, and use the curve just to indicate
movement. It just looks strange sitting there motionless, with the curve in
it like that. :P
Ah well. Tomorrow's another day.
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:31 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
> Had to help save a baby squirrel tonight, but did manage to make some
> progress despite the time-sink. Based on the feedback, here are some
> changes to the animation (no sound just yet though).
>
>
>
http://www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation...
>
> Enjoy.
>
> -C
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:59 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>
>> For those who have not seen Google's tremendously handy open font
>> library, you view/download it here:
>>
https://www.google.com/fonts
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:55 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd rather use libre fonts where possible. Something that comes with a
>>> SIL, Apache, or cc0 font license/rights waiver.
>>> I don't want anything with attribution requirements. All materials,
>>> imho should be libre so people are free and protected against other people
>>> suing them for helping the Inkscape project. There is a true wealth of
>>> excellent scripty fonts, and Roman-Caps serif fonts. I'll pick the
closest
>>> matches and maybe we can vote on it or something. :) If someone has a
>>> reason for really wanting to use proprietary fonts, artwork, etc. for
>>> branding I can... but I'd like to avoid it if at all possible.
>>>
>>> -C
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Andler <scislac@...400...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Per Jabier's reply, the branding folder contains a file that has the
>>>> proper branding for the text elements. They're vector, so it should
be
>>>> easy to work with. Obviously the newer logo is what should be used
>>>> (which you're already doing).
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall what font was used for INKSCAPE, but it was a Pushkin
>>>> font that was used for Draw Freely.
>>>>
http://www.paratype.com/pstore/fonts/pushkin.htm It was created by
>>>> someone with a license for the font, but it does raise the question
>>>> about how we feel about proprietary stuff used for our brand.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Josh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>>> > Thanks!
>>>> > And Yes, though there doesn't seem to be a consistent style for
>>>> writing
>>>> > "Draw Freely".
>>>> >
>>>> > This leaves me with some options:
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. I could choose a version I like from the website (my favorite is
>>>> the one
>>>> > accompanying the vector Bird graphic). Is there a vector asset for
>>>> this? I
>>>> > could trace it from the graphic, but this is more work.
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. I could write it myself, since I have decent handwriting. If
like
>>>> to do
>>>> > it in Inkscape with my Wacom tablet, however it seems that pressure
>>>> > sensitivity is broken in my version of Inkscape for the time being.
>>>> >
>>>> > 3. I could ask if there it already a repo for Inkscape branding
>>>> stuff, and
>>>> > if there isn't, start one. :)
>>>> >
>>>> > Any thoughts?
>>>> >
>>>> > Is the font used in INKSCAPE title an open font? If not, I'm
tempted
>>>> to raid
>>>> > Google's web fonts for a Libre alternative.
>>>> >
>>>> > -C
>>>> >
>>>> > On 1 Sep 2015 1:30 am, "Josh Andler"
<scislac@...400...> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Looks great so far! I assume you know already (by your
description),
>>>> >> but the assets for "Inkscape" and "Draw
Freely" from the about
>>>> screen
>>>> >> should be used to keep the branding consistent. Looking forward
to
>>>> >> seeing the next iteration!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>> >> Josh
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...>
wrote:
>>>> >> > Quick video template update (to keep bullshit from walking
;) )
>>>> >> > I've almost completed the intro animation, but got
bogged down
>>>> with some
>>>> >> > emergency charity work that a friend required last-minute.
>>>> >> > I wanted to add in the sound effects, which I've
recorded myself,
>>>> but
>>>> >> > ran
>>>> >> > out of time tonight.
>>>> >> > However, here is a quick wip sample for your Monday night
>>>> amusement:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>>
www.opendesignstudio.org/inkscape/samples/inkscape_intro_animation_wip.ogv
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > The title "INKSCAPE" will fade in underneath and
"Draw Freely"
>>>> will be
>>>> >> > scribbled in underneath it as last additions.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Thanks for the patience. Hope everyone's collective
weekend has
>>>> been a
>>>> >> > pleasant one. :)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > More soon.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > -C
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 AM, C R
<cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> PS- Speaking of crowd-funding, be sure to visit Synfig
Open
>>>> Source
>>>> >> >> Animation Studio's crowdfunding campaign and show
them some
>>>> love! :)
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>>
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/synfig-free-animation-software#/story
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM, C R
<cajhne@...400...> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> So I'm getting late to this discussion. I
guess it sounds like
>>>> >> >>>> people
>>>> >> >>>> are
>>>> >> >>>> ready to do this!
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> This will be an ongoing project, so input is great
at any stage.
>>>> >> >>> You're
>>>> >> >>> not late either, it's early times still. :)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> (sorry, kind of long)
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Also never a problem. More information is better!
>>>> >> >>> Welcome to the discussion, and thanks for your
advise!
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> I'm of the opinion that there is no lack of
tutorials in the
>>>> Inkscape
>>>> >> >>>> community. I've done some both intensive
and extensive
>>>> searching for
>>>> >> >>>> Inkscape tutorials, to compile a centralized
source of
>>>> tutorials, for
>>>> >> >>>> the
>>>> >> >>>> community (something I saw lacking in the
community, and
>>>> wanted to
>>>> >> >>>> provide).
>>>> >> >>>>
http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Thanks for the link, and for your work collecting
and vetting
>>>> these
>>>> >> >>> resources! :) I'll have a look through these,
I'm sure they
>>>> will be
>>>> >> >>> quite
>>>> >> >>> useful not only in determining the best way to
proceed, but in
>>>> terms
>>>> >> >>> of
>>>> >> >>> information content and possible linking from the
finished
>>>> >> >>> documentation
>>>> >> >>> (pending approval from the parties that made them).
It may also
>>>> be
>>>> >> >>> good to
>>>> >> >>> have two video sections that link off the main
Inkscape.org
>>>> website,
>>>> >> >>> one to
>>>> >> >>> a set of official tutorials, and the other to the
growing set of
>>>> >> >>> excellent
>>>> >> >>> community-done resources.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> For the tool feature videos, it would be useful to
have small
>>>> official
>>>> >> >>> videos to accompany the documentation. I find that
it's quite a
>>>> matter
>>>> >> >>> of
>>>> >> >>> preference which people prefer (written or video
tutorial).
>>>> Even my
>>>> >> >>> own
>>>> >> >>> preference changes depending on my moods, so having
both
>>>> available is
>>>> >> >>> no bad
>>>> >> >>> thing.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Official videos have manifold purpose:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -They provide concise context-relevant information
that we can
>>>> include
>>>> >> >>> alongside the documentation for Inkscape. This
saves time
>>>> having to
>>>> >> >>> google
>>>> >> >>> for videos of the information at hand, so more time
can be spent
>>>> >> >>> learning in
>>>> >> >>> a streamlined way, that it may not be possible to
get from even
>>>> a list
>>>> >> >>> of
>>>> >> >>> several thousand user-contributed videos. There
will be a lot of
>>>> >> >>> repeating
>>>> >> >>> concepts that are covered in user-videos, but there
will also
>>>> be be a
>>>> >> >>> lot of
>>>> >> >>> gap-filling as well.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -They provide more content-rich
inkscape.org, which
adds to the
>>>> >> >>> professional image of the project, and is important
for trust
>>>> and
>>>> >> >>> provides a
>>>> >> >>> nicer experience for new users. I've lost count
how many times
>>>> people
>>>> >> >>> posting on the forums have been told to
"google it" (even
>>>> though I
>>>> >> >>> reached
>>>> >> >>> these comments BY Googling!). Why should they have
to google
>>>> it? Users
>>>> >> >>> can
>>>> >> >>> spend more time learning, and less time reading
what other
>>>> users think
>>>> >> >>> about
>>>> >> >>> their issue on forums (that's time saved in
hours across
>>>> possibly
>>>> >> >>> hundreds
>>>> >> >>> of comments). We are in the unique position to
provide an
>>>> answer, on
>>>> >> >>> the
>>>> >> >>> spot, that is guaranteed to be the correct one. :)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -They are a resource under the project's
control. One of the
>>>> >> >>> criticisms
>>>> >> >>> that our open source community faces is that
information is
>>>> >> >>> scatter-shot,
>>>> >> >>> and you may not be able to find resources, or links
may be
>>>> broken to
>>>> >> >>> the
>>>> >> >>> original content, or the content may only be
available in some
>>>> >> >>> countries.
>>>> >> >>> Having control over our content ensures we can
reach the most
>>>> people.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -They give us another opportunity to connect with
more users.
>>>> This is
>>>> >> >>> important not only for development purposes, but
also for
>>>> social media
>>>> >> >>> campaigns for development acceleration, appearing
at graphics
>>>> >> >>> conventions,
>>>> >> >>> etc. (I do all my convention-booth graphics in
Inkscape, btw. So
>>>> >> >>> thanks
>>>> >> >>> again to all the Inkscape devs for making life easy
for me!)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -It enhances the public image of Inkscape as a
professional
>>>> resource
>>>> >> >>> for
>>>> >> >>> serious designers. Great-looking well-thought out
videos are a
>>>> must
>>>> >> >>> for a
>>>> >> >>> project like Inkscape! :) Every video serves as yet
one one more
>>>> >> >>> advertisement for the Inkscape project. The more of
them there
>>>> are,
>>>> >> >>> the more
>>>> >> >>> eyes are likely to see them. We can capture search
keywords as
>>>> well
>>>> >> >>> with
>>>> >> >>> each video, gaining the project more exposure.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -It provides an opportunity for us to teach best
practices for
>>>> >> >>> professional design workflows, as well as educate
new users,
>>>> and ease
>>>> >> >>> the
>>>> >> >>> transition from commercial software packages. (If
you Like
>>>> >> >>> Illustrator,
>>>> >> >>> you're going to LOVE Inkscape!) :D
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> So I'm bewildered with complaints of people
not being able to
>>>> find
>>>> >> >>>> tutorials. I did that all with my handy
internet search
>>>> engine.
>>>> >> >>>> Nothing
>>>> >> >>>> fancy, I can assure you! I wonder if maybe
those folks just
>>>> have not
>>>> >> >>>> ventured outside of DA, in their search?
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Or their search terms didn't turn up any
relevant videos. One
>>>> of the
>>>> >> >>> problems with video content is if you are looking
for something
>>>> very
>>>> >> >>> specific, you may have to hunt through lots of
complete
>>>> tutorials,
>>>> >> >>> hoping
>>>> >> >>> they cover the thing you want to know. This problem
is solved
>>>> more
>>>> >> >>> easily
>>>> >> >>> with feature-focused videos, accompanied by all
relevant
>>>> keywords. The
>>>> >> >>>
inkscape.org website should also contain a search
box to
>>>> search these
>>>> >> >>> keywords in our own collection of official videos.
I also
>>>> recommend an
>>>> >> >>> expandable tree-style map of our videos providing a
way to
>>>> click down
>>>> >> >>> and
>>>> >> >>> feel out what you are searching for (handy if you
don't know
>>>> what a
>>>> >> >>> feature
>>>> >> >>> is named).
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> For example, a piece of the tree could go:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> +Tools
>>>> >> >>> -Select and Transform Tool
>>>> >> >>> -Edit Paths By Nodes Tool
>>>> >> >>> +Tweak Objects Tool
>>>> >> >>> - Tool Overview
>>>> >> >>> - Using Different Modes
>>>> >> >>> - Width, Force, and Fidelity - Getting the
effects you
>>>> want
>>>> >> >>> + FAQ / Troubleshooting
>>>> >> >>> - Why does the rest of my shape turn into
a glob?
>>>> >> >>> - It's only working on some objects,
but not others
>>>> >> >>> - etc.
>>>> >> >>> -Zoom Tool
>>>> >> >>> -Measurement Tool
>>>> >> >>> -Rectangle/Square Tool
>>>> >> >>> -etc.
>>>> >> >>> -Working with Shapes
>>>> >> >>> -Working with Layers
>>>> >> >>> -Working with Groups
>>>> >> >>> -Selecting
>>>> >> >>> -Filters
>>>> >> >>> -Exporting
>>>> >> >>> +Using Colours
>>>> >> >>> -What is a colour space?
>>>> >> >>> -What is a colour system?
>>>> >> >>> +FAQ / Troubleshooting
>>>> >> >>> -My printer wants an Illustrator (.ai) file,
arrrgh!
>>>> >> >>> -My greens are looking too Blue in print
>>>> >> >>> -My blacks are too grey in print
>>>> >> >>> +What should I use for my project?
>>>> >> >>> +Can Inkscape use PANTONE colours?
>>>> >> >>> -Pre-Press Considerations
>>>> >> >>> -etc. etc.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Note that only certain branches of the tree need
videos. Others
>>>> could
>>>> >> >>> have a quick animated gif with a text explanation.
It's
>>>> important to
>>>> >> >>> include
>>>> >> >>> all the written and video materials together, so
visitors do
>>>> not have
>>>> >> >>> to
>>>> >> >>> visit different sections of the website to find the
information
>>>> they
>>>> >> >>> are
>>>> >> >>> after.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> Nevertheless, I do think it's important
that there are
>>>> "official"
>>>> >> >>>> tutorials.
>>>> >> >>>> There was some talk a few months ago about
building a
>>>> Documentation
>>>> >> >>>> team,
>>>> >> >>>> and I would certainly look forward to
participating in such a
>>>> group
>>>> >> >>>> (although iirc, it was only going to happen
when someone had
>>>> more
>>>> >> >>>> time.....I
>>>> >> >>>> don't remember the exact details anymore).
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I would be happy to assist the Documentation team.
>>>> >> >>> I would be equally happy to help assemble it if
those involved
>>>> >> >>> previously
>>>> >> >>> do not presently have the time.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>> I think more *official* tutorials are needed,
than the 6 or so
>>>> >> >>>> currently
>>>> >> >>>> available. But I have serious reservations
about video
>>>> tutorials
>>>> >> >>>> with
>>>> >> >>>> music
>>>> >> >>>> background and no narration. I have never seen
such a video
>>>> that I
>>>> >> >>>> found
>>>> >> >>>> was helpful, in my opinion.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> There will be narration, it will just be textual,
step-by-step,
>>>> rather
>>>> >> >>> than voiced over.
>>>> >> >>> There is nothing preventing people from adding
voice overs, but
>>>> I'd
>>>> >> >>> like
>>>> >> >>> to start cranking out as many of these videos as
possible, and
>>>> I'm not
>>>> >> >>> convinced my voice would be pleasing enough. :)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> (You may notice there are probably less than
5
>>>> >> >>>> YouTube vids on my page. It's because I
haven't found many
>>>> >> >>>> worthwhile,
>>>> >> >>>> that
>>>> >> >>>> aren't connected to a proprietary
venture.)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Yes, control over the videos is a key benefit of
doing them
>>>> ourselves.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> Videos from the Screencasters (heathenx/Richard
Querrin)
>>>> series are
>>>> >> >>>> still
>>>> >> >>>> the best video tutorials around, imo (even
though now somewhat
>>>> >> >>>> dated).
>>>> >> >>>> I
>>>> >> >>>> think they represent the standard we should
strive for, if
>>>> there is
>>>> >> >>>> some
>>>> >> >>>> consensus that video tutorials are needed more
that text
>>>> tutorials.
>>>> >> >>>> Although I haven't seen any indication of a
need for video
>>>> tutorials,
>>>> >> >>>> more
>>>> >> >>>> than text. It's just trendy, afaict.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> For the longer videos, I'd agree, but for
feature documentation
>>>> >> >>> videos,
>>>> >> >>> we will need more concise and much shorter videos
with less
>>>> banter,
>>>> >> >>> and none
>>>> >> >>> of the "subscribe, rate, etc." stuff. :)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> That sounds like a cute idea for an intro to
the tutorials
>>>> (the
>>>> >> >>> bouncing
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> bubbles, etc.), but honestly, that's the
fun part of making
>>>> >> >>>> tutorials.
>>>> >> >>>> Has
>>>> >> >>>> anyone volunteered to make the actual tutorial
part of the
>>>> videos?
>>>> >> >>>> (I
>>>> >> >>>> haven't finished with reading the whole
thread yet.)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I'm volunteering for both at this point, but
once we have the
>>>> kit
>>>> >> >>> (which
>>>> >> >>> includes the finished intro/outro, and caption
overlay), it
>>>> will be
>>>> >> >>> easier
>>>> >> >>> to enlist others to help with the tutorial parts
>>>> (screen-captures, and
>>>> >> >>> captioning).
>>>> >> >>> It may sound fun and trivial, but the intro, format
and
>>>> templates are
>>>> >> >>> the
>>>> >> >>> ground-work for a professional video series. They
will make the
>>>> >> >>> tutorial
>>>> >> >>> content consistent, and MUCH easier to do. The
point of these
>>>> initial
>>>> >> >>> steps
>>>> >> >>> is to produce a kit that we can use to make quick,
professional
>>>> >> >>> looking
>>>> >> >>> videos with Inkscape branding. While I will have
the initial
>>>> sample
>>>> >> >>> completed this weekend, I suspect we will change it
a bit based
>>>> on
>>>> >> >>> feedback.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> Thanks for listening,
>>>> >> >>>> brynn
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Thanks for your input and thoughts! They help
tremendously.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -C
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
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>>>> >> >>>> From: "Martin Owens"
<doctormo@...400...>
>>>> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:53 AM
>>>> >> >>>> To: "Inkscape Devel List" <
>>>> inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>> >> >>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] User Help
(tutorials)
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> >
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