Am 29.04.2017 um 21:52 schrieb Ryan Gorley: - Maybe makers (and perhaps amateurs/hobbyists?) could be added? Maren

Filled it out. I think it's good. I really hope the answer for most people would be "Graphic Designers" for who we would like to use Inkscape more. It's a field that combines many of the other disciplines listed, and the tools required are useful across the board. Inkscape is the Adobe Illustrator of the FLOSS world. I hope that doesn't change! -C On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 2:02 AM, Miguel Lopez <reptillia39@...3425...> wrote:

The thing is I have to point out that product designers have to deal with similar things to graphic designers, but product designers always focus more on rendering objects than anything else whereas graphic designers focus are not that restricted to products. A lot of product designers who utilizes Inkscape and wishes that it would be viable for product rendering would benefit from something like editable mask/clip like in the video I shown, Krita Assist tools, advanced gradient mesh tools (loft, extrude, stroke, mesh fill like in surface fill found in cad program such as solidworks and rhino), pattern warping and CAD tools whereas graphic designers definitely has to focus a lot more on colors, themes, and so on. If anything, they would be equally as hard to persuade, but right now, Krita and gradient mesh automated color selection within Inkscape is a fine fallback even though some of us product designers would love Inkscape to really improve so we wouldn't be stuck with rasters forever. By extensions, more development on Inkscape would eliminate the needs for raster to a extent, and some of my ideas does exactly that were if they were to happen. Why am I saying that? When I lost my Adobe subscription, and I didn't had Photoshop no longer, I had to use Inkscape and I found that vectors in some ways are superior to raster, and I was using Inkscape for so long as I hate Paint Dot Net and GIMP with a burning passion. A lot of things that you can do on raster are possible within vector, and raster programs actually utilizes vector processing which is then rendered into raster which kind of says a lot, but as of now, even Illustrator struggles with rendering blurred brush which are very similar to Photoshop/Krita brush results, and average computer resources as of now are not powerful enough to process thousands and thousands of vector blurs unless they're heavily rasterized, but at that point you would use Photoshop or GIMP or Krita. I use a 3000 bucks computer to know this. This is getting offtopic. The ecosystem can probably be solved with more filters, multipage support, Krita file format support with layers and so on, and better color support, and even scribus import/export feature. And yes, I'm aware we're years away from that, but I'm just gonna leave this here for developers to take notes. Even Adobe isn't exactly perfect with their programs, and there is limits within their programs (lack of multiple transparency masks whereas Krita has that), and Adobe Photoshop has less layer filters than Krita. I also don't remember liquify transform masking within Photoshop. Oh, and one last thing, I have to point that the .dxf file format support kind of grab product designers/architecture designers' attention, and the .dxf file format support alone and the fact that Inkscape is vector are both why so many people want CAD support within Inkscape. When I found that .dxf file format export, I was like, ooh this seems extremely useful, and I'm very grateful for it, and as a result, I noticed that it helped me stick with Inkscape some more. Not only that, Autodesk is officially supporting .svg and it'll replace .AI8 import. On 4/30/2017 10:29 PM, Ryan Gorley wrote: @Maren I've added makers. I've left off hobbyists for now, just because one could be a hobbyist illustrator, hobbyist maker, etc. So it wouldn't help me zero in on a segment so much. That's part of the reason I added the "do you use Inkscape in your profession" question, to maybe identify the share of hobbyist vs. professional users. That's my logic, I'm open to discussion. @Miguel I added Product/Industrial Designer. In the U.S. right now a lot of UX designers are calling themselves product designers, when I would have traditionally reserved that term for Industrial Designers. It's becoming someone ambiguous, so hopefully the term I use will be more clearly what you suggested adding. @C R It will be interesting to see if Graphic Designers are a consensus choice. Part of me wishes it was some other segment, at least as the primary target, because I think graphic designers may prove to be one of the more difficult groups to persuade. They are going to have the broadest requirements, ranging from print to web output, and are likely to be the most entrenched in Adobe's ecosystem. A great number will lack the technical background to appreciate what can be done with SVGs on the web, and as such will be less likely to tolerate some of the unique workflows and limitations resulting from the spec. They are also more likely to be using MacOS, which appears to offer the least native experience of the three platforms. None of these are insurmountable hurdles, but I do think there are other segments that would adopt Inkscape more readily as the product exists today. (Please pardon my thinking-out-loud about this) Ryan Gorley @ Dijt<https://dijt.co/> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 11:45 AM, C R <cajhne@...400...<mailto:cajhne@...400...>> wrote: Filled it out. I think it's good. I really hope the answer for most people would be "Graphic Designers" for who we would like to use Inkscape more. It's a field that combines many of the other disciplines listed, and the tools required are useful across the board. Inkscape is the Adobe Illustrator of the FLOSS world. I hope that doesn't change! -C On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 2:02 AM, Miguel Lopez <reptillia39@...3425...<mailto:reptillia39@...3425...>> wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

If graphic designers are our primary audience, then we need to look very seriously at closing that gap, and *beyond* at how we can make Inkscape better than alternatives in terms of usability, features, and performance. Product design, on the other hand will design is the only choice with enough general overlapping Makes sense to me. I'm not sure how many people are using the tool this way. I agree. And just to clarify, I'm not advocating abandoning anyone, I am just hoping to identify a market who could be persuaded to use Inkscape on its own merits now (or in the near future), and not strictly because it is the only vector drawing tool available on Linux or that it's free of charge. to produce pain-free vector animations (for example), or style sheets Yes, yes, yes! It's a worthy goal, and I would sure appreciate it because I use desktop Linux. :) From a marketing standpoint, however, I'm not sure we're going to find new interest and greater adoption from the few of us on Linux, since we really don't have any choice anyway. Let's not abandon Linux users, but we must also acknowledge that statistically speaking almost everyone else is different than us in this regard. Once they're using Inkscape, maybe there will not be as much keeping those graphic designers back from using Linux also. Believe me, I'd love to take them on. We can't ignore their dominance in the graphic design market however. The only way to beat a giant like Adobe is to use their strength against them. They have an entrenched user-base, who will keep them back from trying new and innovative things, especially in regards to workflows and interface design, because people don't generally like to change the way they do things. This makes them slow. They are also trying to be a tool for as many people as possible. This makes their software complex. And lastly they have broad adoption in the market and have more to lose than to gain by trying new things. This makes them risk averse. To beat them we cannot be these same things. I totally agree. And thank your for engaging in this conversation. It helps a lot!

Brynn, the results of this survey are by no means meant to bind the development team to some path. This is a volunteer effort after all. Current and future developers will invest their time in what they believe in. That being said most open source project leaders and developers I've interacted with genuinely want to create something people will use and appreciate. Your perspective about who you think will most use and appreciated Inkscape is different from theirs, or mine, or anyone else. So please share it. :) On Apr 30, 2017 10:33 PM, "brynn" <brynn@...3133...> wrote:

Thanks for providing some additional perspective for me, Bryce. Thus far the overwhelming consensus selection is graphic designers and illustrators/artists. That's not surprising, but your comments have me wondering what subsets of these groups are capable enough to give back through development-related activities and which these subsets are large enough to move the project in a meaningful way. It also has me wondering how we could better facilitate giving back from non-developers, who will constitute the large majority of these groups. If anyone has any thoughts in these two regards, please chime in. Ryan Gorley @ Dijt <https://dijt.co/> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote: