I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that we're making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do it. I plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle the hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for help with it.

If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go ahead, though. :)

Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project, brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape project work. :)

-C

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:

Hi Friends, As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming hackfest, I suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short item about the recent new work on the new manual?

   I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article.  I'm thinking

Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first time around? Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I could do it myself, if we decide to do it.

   I think it would help in community-building, to keep the wider

community up to date about these things. What do other manual workers and Docs list subscribers think?

All best, brynn

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CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 chapters each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35 chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten from scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple of chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone seems to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were supposed to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).

I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting people get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with translating.

I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks already. But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.

Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will be ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing through my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect to not have time for much else.

I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do well, like fixing up language or styling).

There are more than enough open tasks: from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking and layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course).

And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to honor the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of the book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to get started, without much theoretical ballast. Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses.

Maren

Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R:

I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that we're making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do it. I plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle the hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for help with it.

If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go ahead, though. :)

Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project, brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape project work. :)

-C

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:

...

Hi Friends, As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming hackfest, I suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short item about the recent new work on the new manual?

   I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article.  I'm thinking

Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first time around? Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I could do it myself, if we decide to do it.

   I think it would help in community-building, to keep the wider

community up to date about these things. What do other manual workers and Docs list subscribers think?

All best, brynn

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I think at least a public should out to Maren for all the hard work is in order. That much progress in so little time deserves a big thanks!

Maren, regarding the disappointment about having to do all the work - For my part, I've kinda used up my time over the past weeks trying to get hackfest lodging for folks, making UI mockups and plans for unifying Inkscape's colour fill and stroke widgets, getting swag and stickers ready for the hackfest, and securing/making some take-home items for devs who join us for the event... starting a new project to revive the documentation unfortunately fell down to the bottom of the list for me. So, for what it's worth, I'm sorry for not being more proactive after the initial discussion. I used up a lot of time trying to wrap my head around the licensing... which I know is the only thing I've really done towards it so far. :/

I know, it's not much of an excuse, but I just wanted to say I really appreciate you taking the reins on this. It's going to happen much sooner because of you, and the community owes you a big thanks!

Thank you so much for the hard work. I didn't know what the time-table for completing the document was going to be, but I'm certainly glad for your tireless efforts to get it out to everyone as fast as possible!

-C

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:

Can someone help Maren?

I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful for drumming up volunteers.

But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's useful to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do while figuring out the software/editing platform.

Thoughts?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:

...

CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 chapters each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35 chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten from scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple of chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone seems to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were supposed to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).

I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting people get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with translating.

I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks already. But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.

Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will be ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing through my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect to not have time for much else.

I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do well, like fixing up language or styling).

There are more than enough open tasks: from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking and layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course).

And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to honor the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of the book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to get started, without much theoretical ballast. Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses.

Maren

Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R:

...

I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that we're making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do it. I plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle the hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for help with it.

If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go ahead, though. :)

Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project, brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape project work. :)

-C

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:

...

Hi Friends, As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming hackfest, I suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short item about the recent new work on the new manual?

   I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article.  I'm

thinking Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first time around? Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I could do it myself, if we decide to do it.

   I think it would help in community-building, to keep the

wider community up to date about these things. What do other manual workers and Docs list subscribers think?

All best, brynn

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Hi Jabier (and all who are interested in joining),

thank you for your offer!

You can have a look here, it has most of the info and all the important links: https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/message/35841546/

Jabier, maybe you would like to help with the styling or cover design? I haven't explored all about how much freedom the platform allows us, though.

As this is just a basic, beginners' guide, I think a developer is a bit overqualified for the contents! We could use your help with contents later, when (if) we create a more glossary-like manual, for looking things up. But this would be a separate project, most probably written on a different platform.

Kind Regards, Maren

Am 04.06.2017 um 22:06 schrieb Jabier Arraiza:

Thanks Maren for your work! I hope soon can get more help. Sorry the therad about manual become too long and finaly remove atention from me.

The manual is a HTML5, Scribus or...? Whats the TODO list about this?

Cheers, Jabier.

On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:

...

CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 chapters each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35 chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten from scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple of chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone seems to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were supposed to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).

I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting people get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with translating.

I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks already. But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.

Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will be ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing through my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect to not have time for much else.

I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do well, like fixing up language or styling).

There are more than enough open tasks: from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking and layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course).

And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to honor the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of the book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to get started, without much theoretical ballast. Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses.

Maren

Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R:

...

I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that we're making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do it. I plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle the hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for help with it.

If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go ahead, though. :)

Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project, brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape project work. :)

-C

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:

...

Hi Friends, As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming hackfest, I suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short item about the recent new work on the new manual?

   I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article.  I'm

thinking Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first time around? Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I could do it myself, if we decide to do it.

   I think it would help in community-building, to keep the

wider community up to date about these things. What do other manual workers and Docs list subscribers think?

All best, brynn

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Okay, finished an initial version of the cover for the beginners guide. Yes, it's all in Inkscape. :)

Here's a png: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner_manual.png...

Thoughts?

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:

Can someone help Maren?

I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful for drumming up volunteers.

But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's useful to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do while figuring out the software/editing platform.

Thoughts?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:

...

CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 chapters each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35 chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten from scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple of chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone seems to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were supposed to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).

I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting people get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with translating.

I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks already. But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.

Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will be ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing through my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect to not have time for much else.

I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do well, like fixing up language or styling).

There are more than enough open tasks: from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking and layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course).

And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to honor the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of the book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to get started, without much theoretical ballast. Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses.

Maren

Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R:

...

I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that we're making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do it. I plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle the hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for help with it.

If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go ahead, though. :)

Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project, brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape project work. :)

-C

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:

...

Hi Friends, As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming hackfest, I suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short item about the recent new work on the new manual?

   I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article.  I'm

thinking Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first time around? Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I could do it myself, if we decide to do it.

   I think it would help in community-building, to keep the

wider community up to date about these things. What do other manual workers and Docs list subscribers think?

All best, brynn

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Inkscape is gluten free, dairy free, and completely Vegan. I think. Are vectors and gradients considered Vegan?

-C

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:

Celiac label

On Mon, 2017-06-05 at 23:03 +0100, C R wrote:

...

Okay, finished an initial version of the cover for the beginners guide. Yes, it's all in Inkscape. :)

Here's a png: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner_man ual.png?dl=0

Thoughts?

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:

...

Can someone help Maren?

I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful for drumming up volunteers.

But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's useful to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do while figuring out the software/editing platform.

Thoughts?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:

...

CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 chapters each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35 chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten from scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple of chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone seems to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were supposed to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).

I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting people get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with translating.

I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks already. But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.

Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will be ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing through my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect to not have time for much else.

I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do well, like fixing up language or styling).

There are more than enough open tasks: from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking and layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course).

And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to honor the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of the book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to get started, without much theoretical ballast. Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses.

Maren

Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R:

...

I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that we're making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do it. I plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle the hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for help with it.

If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go ahead, though. :)

Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project, brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape project work. :)

-C

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:

...

Hi Friends, As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming hackfest, I suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short item about the recent new work on the new manual?

   I could do that, after I finish the hackfest

article. I'm thinking Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first time around? Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I could do it myself, if we decide to do it.

   I think it would help in community-building, to keep

the wider community up to date about these things. What do other manual workers and Docs list subscribers think?

All best, brynn

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growing green ones

On Mon, 2017-06-05 at 23:31 +0100, C R wrote:

Inkscape is gluten free, dairy free, and completely Vegan. I think. Are vectors and gradients considered Vegan?

-C

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:

...

Celiac label

On Mon, 2017-06-05 at 23:03 +0100, C R wrote:

...

Okay, finished an initial version of the cover for the beginners guide. Yes, it's all in Inkscape. :)

Here's a png: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner _man ual.png?dl=0

Thoughts?

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:

...

Can someone help Maren?

I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful for drumming up volunteers.

But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's useful to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do while figuring out the software/editing platform.

Thoughts?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:

...

CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 chapters each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35 chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten from scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple of chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone seems to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were supposed to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).

I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting people get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with translating.

I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for

...

2

weeks already. But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.

Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will be ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing through my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect to not have time for much else.

I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do well, like fixing up language or styling).

There are more than enough open tasks: from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking and layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course).

And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to honor the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of the book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to get started, without much theoretical ballast. Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses.

Maren

Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R:

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I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that we're making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do it. I plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle the hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for help with it.

If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go ahead, though. :)

Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project, brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape project work. :)

-C

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Upscale = Inkscape stupid autocorrupt.

-C

On 6 Jun 2017 4:54 p.m., "C R" <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

All quite apt assessments of course. It's definitely not perfect, but I'll make some of those perspective corrections. It's really just the first draft anyway to show work is being done. It sucks to be the only one working on a project, and upscale is all about the community for me. Well, obviously it's about the tools too. Anyway, hope it's at least motivating. :) More soon!

-C

On 6 Jun 2017 4:38 p.m., "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...3165...> wrote:

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Tasty! I like the idea :)

(I want one like that, please :-P Would be okay with chocolate and cream, doesn't need to be vegan...) (anyone knows how to build a 3D-silicone ice mold...?)

Something with the perspective at the bottom, where the wood thing goes in, doesn't look right to me, also the second bulge from the bottom (somehow, the front side seems to have some distance from the rest, caused by the lighter brown front side being a bit too low in y-direction. Hard to describe for me in English). Would the stick cast a shadow on the background?

It's cool ;-)

Maren

Am 06.06.2017 um 00:31 schrieb C R:

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Inkscape is gluten free, dairy free, and completely Vegan. I think. Are vectors and gradients considered Vegan?

-C

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Jabier Arraiza <jabier.arraiza@...2893...> wrote:

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Celiac label

On Mon, 2017-06-05 at 23:03 +0100, C R wrote:

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Okay, finished an initial version of the cover for the beginners guide. Yes, it's all in Inkscape. :)

Here's a png: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner_man ual.png?dl=0

Thoughts?

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:

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Can someone help Maren?

I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful for drumming up volunteers.

But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's useful to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do while figuring out the software/editing platform.

Thoughts?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: > CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 > chapters > each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through > (35 > chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be > seen > around, after the first week, when one person translated a > chapter > (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be > rewritten > from > scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a > couple > of > chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone > seems > to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were > supposed > to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug). > > I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting > people > get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through > with > translating. > > I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal > about > helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 > weeks > already. > But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't > started > this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what. > > Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations > will > be > ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing > through > my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I > expect > to > not have time for much else. > > I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with > the > manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and > know > Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really > do > well, like fixing up language or styling). > > There are more than enough open tasks: > from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency > checking > and > layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to > adding > missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course). > > And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to > honor > the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept > of > the > book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it > to > get > started, without much theoretical ballast. > Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she > built up > the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect > her > concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses. > > Maren > > Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R: >> >> I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that >> we're >> making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to >> do >> it. I >> plan on helping this area of the project much more after I >> handle >> the >> hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less >> complete >> manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call >> for >> help with it. >> >> If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go >> ahead, though. :) >> >> Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the >> project, >> brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for >> Inkscape >> project work. :) >> >> -C >> >> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Friends, >>> As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the >>> upcoming >>> hackfest, I >>> suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short >>> item about the >>> recent new work on the new manual? >>> >>> I could do that, after I finish the hackfest >>> article. I'm >>> thinking >>> Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first >>> time around? >>> Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I could >>> do it >>> myself, if >>> we decide to do it. >>> >>> I think it would help in community-building, to keep >>> the >>> wider >>> community up to date about these things. What do other >>> manual >>> workers and >>> Docs list subscribers think? >>> >>> All best, >>> brynn >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>> --------------- >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's >>> most >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inkscape-devel mailing list >>> Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >> ------------- >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > ----------- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs

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Sounds good to me. I'd go with whatever Maren wants to do. Truly, I'm good with anything. I do think that the screenshots should be platform agnostic. There isn't really a need to include window decoration, and I think it distract from the application graphics. I'll go about filling in some more recent and better screen captures once the cover and Hackfest items are complete. I would avoid an official release date mentioned because there is just so much to do at this point in the way of formatting etc. But if Maren wants an initial release before Hackfest, go with it. I consider her the project lead for obvious reasons. :)

On 6 Jun 2017 6:42 p.m., "brynn" <brynn@...3133...> wrote:

I've just saved the first draft.

Should we hazard to give an ETA for release? End of the year sounds about right to me, assuming we can get the right kind of people to do all the chores. Or just leave it out?

Now as I'm writing this, I'm curious about how future editing will work. I understand that would be done through the Floss Manuals interface. But if editing can happen at any time, then can the book be re-published at any time? Or would we always be telling users to see the FM version for the most up to date info, while re-publishing would happen less frequently?

Should we also post this in forums? Or maybe abbreviated version of it?

I left out the cover designing, since C R is already working on that. I also left out the last type of helpers (putting the screenshots and graphics in their proper places) because I've been planning to do that. Although it seems like whoever is creating the screenshots and graphics would already know where they're supposed to go. Right?

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 4:55 PM To: Inkscape Devel List Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-docs] News item about the new manual work?

Hi Brynn,

yes, a short news item would be nice to show that work has started on a Beginners' Guide (it's not a real manual, in the classical sense).

I think we especially need:

• a few (not so many!) testers who only begin using Inkscape, to tell us

if they understand it. They can accompany us, but also join at a later point of time. This could also be a teacher, who has experience teaching Inkscape to students.

• one or two artists who want to design a cover image for the various

output formats. This artist needs to be able to find his way around in the booktype interface, and to be able to follow the manual instructions about the interface. Also needs to remember to indicate a separate licence for the cover image - it needs to be CC-By-SA, with the Inkscape icon in it.

• one to three web designers who can take a closer look into the

Booktype CSS options, find out what is possible, and make an Inkscape-y design for the html version of the book, and perhaps also style the pdf. I think epub doesn't have too many styling options available (but I may be wrong).

• 2 or 3 quality assurance people, who can check for consistency of

terms used, html tags used for specific concepts (e.g. keyboard shortcut, menu entry, position of tool icons, ...) etc. throughout the book.

• one or two persons who team up to make consistent screenshots with

default icon set and English interface (if possible, on Windows, as most users will be on that platform). One could make the example svgs (or ask Elisa for them) and the other could make the screenshots and upload them.

• one or two persons who move the pictures around when they are in, so

they are all in their appropriate position in relation to the text.

I think we do have enough native speakers now who can fix strange wording :) Feel free to cut off the parts that don't appear useful in an article. Much of this was meant as an explanation for you.

As for later work, what do you think about this? We can add a 'Getting unstuck' section, perhaps, with hints on what to do when one gets a result one does not expect - which can cover the whole range from 'look into status line' to frequent issues to 'ask in forums' to 'post a bug report'. I think you would be the one who is best suited to compile a list of frequent noob issues with solutions that could be addressed here. If you would like to do that, you can take your time, I know you've got a lot of other tasks to address at the moment.

Kind Regards, Maren

Am 04.06.2017 um 13:17 schrieb brynn:

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Hi Friends, As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming hackfest, I suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short item about the recent new work on the new manual?

   I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article.  I'm

thinking Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first time around? Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I could do it myself, if we decide to do it.

   I think it would help in community-building, to keep the wider

community up to date about these things. What do other manual workers and Docs list subscribers think?

All best, brynn

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I agree with CR on the ETA, better leave any hint of that out of a news article - they almost never work out ;-)

For the screenshots, I've been looking at Windows because the styling would look familiar to people. It's not just the window decorations, but also the colors of menues etc. But that's not overly important, I think. Only we probably shouldn't make any screenshots on vanilla Unity... because of the menu not being visible ;-)

I still have to look deeper into the publishing part, and ask questions about that / scour through documentation, so no answer to that just yet.

What I wanted to have ready at Hackfest time are the translations. Then there is something available that everyone can work with. Idk if we should call that an initial release - it's more a 'prototype' to me...

The last task with the screenshots stuff was about styling and layouting. If we could find someone who does this as their day job, I would very much like to see them join. I think there are many people in the Inkscape community who would be able to deliver great results with CSS, they would need to work closely with the people who do the book styling.

If the book is ready for any official Inkscape release of the 0.92.x series, I think then would be the time to create a print version, and to include a pdf with Inkscape (if that's okay with devs - we can also just link, of course).

The online version, epub and screen pdf could be updated continuously, I think - but as said above, I still need to figure out how that works.

Kind Regards, Maren

Am 06.06.2017 um 19:57 schrieb C R:

Sounds good to me. I'd go with whatever Maren wants to do. Truly, I'm good with anything. I do think that the screenshots should be platform agnostic. There isn't really a need to include window decoration, and I think it distract from the application graphics. I'll go about filling in some more recent and better screen captures once the cover and Hackfest items are complete. I would avoid an official release date mentioned because there is just so much to do at this point in the way of formatting etc. But if Maren wants an initial release before Hackfest, go with it. I consider her the project lead for obvious reasons. :)

On 6 Jun 2017 6:42 p.m., "brynn" <brynn@...3133... mailto:brynn@...3133...> wrote:

I've just saved the first draft.

Should we hazard to give an ETA for release?  End of the year sounds
about right to me, assuming we can get the right kind of people to
do all the chores.  Or just leave it out?

Now as I'm writing this, I'm curious about how future editing will
work.  I understand that would be done through the Floss Manuals
interface.  But if editing can happen at any time, then can the book
be re-published at any time? Or would we always be telling users to
see the FM version for the most up to date info, while re-publishing
would happen less frequently?

Should we also post this in forums?  Or maybe abbreviated version of it?

I left out the cover designing, since C R is already working on
that.  I also left out the last type of helpers (putting the
screenshots and graphics in their proper places) because I've been
planning to do that.  Although it seems like whoever is creating the
screenshots and graphics would already know where they're supposed
to go.  Right?

All best,
brynn


-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 4:55 PM
To: Inkscape Devel List
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-docs] News item about the
new manual work?

Hi Brynn,

yes, a short news item would be nice to show that work has started on a
Beginners' Guide (it's not a real manual, in the classical sense).

I think we especially need:
- a few (not so many!) testers who only begin using Inkscape, to tell us
if they understand it. They can accompany us, but also join at a later
point of time. This could also be a teacher, who has experience teaching
Inkscape to students.
- one or two artists who want to design a cover image for the various
output formats. This artist needs to be able to find his way around in
the booktype interface, and to be able to follow the manual instructions
about the interface. Also needs to remember to indicate a separate
licence for the cover image - it needs to be CC-By-SA, with the Inkscape
icon in it.
- one to three web designers who can take a closer look into the
Booktype CSS options, find out what is possible, and make an Inkscape-y
design for the html version of the book, and perhaps also style the pdf.
I think epub doesn't have too many styling options available (but I may
be wrong).
- 2 or 3 quality assurance people, who can check for consistency of
terms used, html tags used for specific concepts (e.g. keyboard
shortcut, menu entry, position of tool icons, ...) etc. throughout
the book.
- one or two persons who team up to make consistent screenshots with
default icon set and English interface (if possible, on Windows, as most
users will be on that platform). One could make the example svgs (or ask
Elisa for them) and the other could make the screenshots and upload
them.
- one or two persons who move the pictures around when they are in, so
they are all in their appropriate position in relation to the text.

I think we do have enough native speakers now who can fix strange
wording :)
Feel free to cut off the parts that don't appear useful in an article.
Much of this was meant as an explanation for you.

As for later work, what do you think about this?
We can add a 'Getting unstuck' section, perhaps, with hints on what to
do when one gets a result one does not expect - which can cover the
whole range from 'look into status line' to frequent issues to 'ask in
forums' to 'post a bug report'.
I think you would be the one who is best suited to compile a list of
frequent noob issues with solutions that could be addressed here. If you
would like to do that, you can take your time, I know you've got a lot
of other tasks to address at the moment.

Kind Regards,
Maren


Am 04.06.2017 um 13:17 schrieb brynn:

    Hi Friends,
           As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming
    hackfest, I suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a
    short item about the recent new work on the new manual?

           I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article.  I'm
    thinking Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the
    first
    time around? Although I don't mean to volunteer her.  As I said,
    I could
    do it myself, if we decide to do it.

           I think it would help in community-building, to keep the
    wider
    community up to date about these things.  What do other manual
    workers
    and Docs list subscribers think?

    All best,
    brynn



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