Hi people!,
What do you know about why if you close the last opened file, close the entire program too?, and why if open various files, open various windows of the program?
Thanks again and see you soon.
José
2016-06-16 22:33 GMT-06:00 Brynn <brynn@...3133...>:
Welcome to the community, Jose!
I'm unable to answer most of your questions. (I'm not a developer.) But just want to mention there is an extention that provides multiple page support, using PDF. It's not native, but some people find it helpful.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/inkscape-pages/
Native support would be most ideal though.
All best, brynn
From: imagen imperio Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:38 PM To: Bryce Harrington Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] features
Hi everybody,
My name is José Quintanilla, i am graphic designer is an honor for me are in this list, where I can express my doubts and suggestions about this great software and project.
I come from the dark side (win...s) and his bad brother Adobe, i am searching for freedom, boring about licenses, cracks, patches, etc... and i want to give my sand grain for this project. For example:
I dont understand why if you have an only one file open and you close it, the program close it too. will be better if you can close the file without close it the entire program.
Is highly desirable too, has multiple sheets, if you work a flyer which has content in both sides, this is extremely necesary mainly for the texts that could end in a side of the paper and continue in the other.
This steep, change from side is hard for everyone but for the designers, tied to windows, mac and adobe is extremly hard. But i know is correct. I am studying, inkscape, and Gimp, and doing some real works here to show to others folks that change is possible and invite others to give this steep.
Thanks for your efforts to enhance this software for the world.
See you soon.
José
2016-06-16 18:25 GMT-06:00 Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...>:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 01:39:13PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
On Thu, 2016-06-16 at 18:32 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
About JPEG and other raster exports, I also wonder why they're not allowed; I suppose it's not the purpose of the project… Actually, I think JPEG is a quite weird choice for vector graphics.
The question about JPEG is that jpeg is a terrible format for vector images. It's something that you should NOT do unless you are doing something very special.
It's a request I've heard before. Making it easy for users to make mistakes is a hard thing to support, even if it's popular. I want to give users what they want, but in this case, jpeg is just too wrong.
Right, with the age of the project you can pretty well assume something as common as JPEG support has been discussed before, and its omission is an intentional decision.
For the other ideas, agreed - discussing them on the list is totally fine but if you don't want them to get forgotten make sure they're recorded in launchpad.
Bryce
What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohomanageengine _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
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What do you know about why if you close the last opened file, close the entire program too?, and why if open various files, open various windows of the program?
You may have noticed that Inkscape opens windows for each file that's open. In fact, if you open inkscape without specifying a file (like from the program icon or command line) it will open up a new document.
This is in contrast to programs like GIMP which open up each file in a tab inside one program window. It makes sense for GIMP to keep the program open when the last file is gone because you can open a new file and it becomes a tab in the window. Since Inkscape opens up a window for each file, if there are no files, there are no windows. :) So if you wanted Inkscape to stay open... what would you see? Should it pop up another empty file?
-C
Thanks again and see you soon.
José
2016-06-16 22:33 GMT-06:00 Brynn <brynn@...3133...>:
Welcome to the community, Jose!
I'm unable to answer most of your questions. (I'm not a developer.) But just want to mention there is an extention that provides multiple page support, using PDF. It's not native, but some people find it helpful.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/inkscape-pages/
Native support would be most ideal though.
All best, brynn
From: imagen imperio Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:38 PM To: Bryce Harrington Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] features
Hi everybody,
My name is José Quintanilla, i am graphic designer is an honor for me are in this list, where I can express my doubts and suggestions about this great software and project.
I come from the dark side (win...s) and his bad brother Adobe, i am searching for freedom, boring about licenses, cracks, patches, etc... and i want to give my sand grain for this project. For example:
I dont understand why if you have an only one file open and you close it, the program close it too. will be better if you can close the file without close it the entire program.
Is highly desirable too, has multiple sheets, if you work a flyer which has content in both sides, this is extremely necesary mainly for the texts that could end in a side of the paper and continue in the other.
This steep, change from side is hard for everyone but for the designers, tied to windows, mac and adobe is extremly hard. But i know is correct. I am studying, inkscape, and Gimp, and doing some real works here to show to others folks that change is possible and invite others to give this steep.
Thanks for your efforts to enhance this software for the world.
See you soon.
José
2016-06-16 18:25 GMT-06:00 Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...>:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 01:39:13PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
On Thu, 2016-06-16 at 18:32 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
About JPEG and other raster exports, I also wonder why they're not allowed; I suppose it's not the purpose of the project… Actually, I think JPEG is a quite weird choice for vector graphics.
The question about JPEG is that jpeg is a terrible format for vector images. It's something that you should NOT do unless you are doing something very special.
It's a request I've heard before. Making it easy for users to make mistakes is a hard thing to support, even if it's popular. I want to give users what they want, but in this case, jpeg is just too wrong.
Right, with the age of the project you can pretty well assume something as common as JPEG support has been discussed before, and its omission is an intentional decision.
For the other ideas, agreed - discussing them on the list is totally fine but if you don't want them to get forgotten make sure they're recorded in launchpad.
Bryce
What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohomanageengine _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
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Imagen Imperio
www.imagenimperio.net
83993758
What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohomanageengine
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On 06/19/2016 11:30 PM, C R wrote:
So if you wanted Inkscape to stay open... what would you see? Should it pop up another empty file?
That's actually what it does for me, since i always close files with ctrl+W (file->close and not file->quit), an habit i took with closing tabs in browsers...
For me, I almost never use the blank document that opens up. So once I open the recent file I want, I close the blank document right away to prevent it from being one more window in my many many windows that are open. I would really like to see Inkscape have a tabbed mode like GIMP, but I don't know how many others want such a thing. :)
-C
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 10:44 PM, Marc Jeanmougin <marc@...3062...> wrote:
On 06/19/2016 11:30 PM, C R wrote:
So if you wanted Inkscape to stay open... what would you see? Should it pop up another empty file?
That's actually what it does for me, since i always close files with ctrl+W (file->close and not file->quit), an habit i took with closing tabs in browsers...
-- Mc
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On Sunday 19 June 2016 22:30:27 C R wrote:
What do you know about why if you close the last opened file, close the entire program too?, and why if open various files, open various windows of the program?
You may have noticed that Inkscape opens windows for each file that's open. In fact, if you open inkscape without specifying a file (like from the program icon or command line) it will open up a new document.
This is in contrast to programs like GIMP which open up each file in a tab inside one program window. It makes sense for GIMP to keep the program open when the last file is gone because you can open a new file and it becomes a tab in the window. Since Inkscape opens up a window for each file, if there are no files, there are no windows. :) So if you wanted Inkscape to stay open... what would you see? Should it pop up another empty file?
Actually, that's what Inkscape does since quite a while.
-C
Tobias
[...]
This only happens if you use the hotkey ctrl-w to close the window. This is why I stated using the x to close the window.
Continuously opening up new blank documents... it's annoying as heck. :) -C
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 10:52 PM, Tobias Ellinghaus <houz@...173...> wrote:
On Sunday 19 June 2016 22:30:27 C R wrote:
What do you know about why if you close the last opened file, close the entire program too?, and why if open various files, open various
windows
of the program?
You may have noticed that Inkscape opens windows for each file that's
open.
In fact, if you open inkscape without specifying a file (like from the program icon or command line) it will open up a new document.
This is in contrast to programs like GIMP which open up each file in a
tab
inside one program window. It makes sense for GIMP to keep the program open when the last file is
gone
because you can open a new file and it becomes a tab in the window. Since Inkscape opens up a window for each file, if there are no files, there are no windows. :) So if you wanted Inkscape to stay open... what would you see? Should it
pop
up another empty file?
Actually, that's what Inkscape does since quite a while.
-C
Tobias
[...]
What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohomanageengine _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
In fact, I would recommend we change this behaviour. When the user wants to close a window, it should not have side-effects like opening up a new window. It seems like a bug, as it goes against the convention of all other programs.
Also, if the user opens inkscape, and immediately chooses to open a recent file, or indeed any of the new files options from the file menu (based on template, etc.) it should open it up in the same window. It's useless to keep around a new document window when it is clearly not needed/wanted.
-C
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 10:58 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
This only happens if you use the hotkey ctrl-w to close the window. This is why I stated using the x to close the window.
Continuously opening up new blank documents... it's annoying as heck. :) -C
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 10:52 PM, Tobias Ellinghaus <houz@...173...> wrote:
On Sunday 19 June 2016 22:30:27 C R wrote:
What do you know about why if you close the last opened file, close
the
entire program too?, and why if open various files, open various
windows
of the program?
You may have noticed that Inkscape opens windows for each file that's
open.
In fact, if you open inkscape without specifying a file (like from the program icon or command line) it will open up a new document.
This is in contrast to programs like GIMP which open up each file in a
tab
inside one program window. It makes sense for GIMP to keep the program open when the last file is
gone
because you can open a new file and it becomes a tab in the window. Since Inkscape opens up a window for each file, if there are no files, there are no windows. :) So if you wanted Inkscape to stay open... what would you see? Should it
pop
up another empty file?
Actually, that's what Inkscape does since quite a while.
-C
Tobias
[...]
What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohomanageengine _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
Le 20/06/2016 à 00:03, C R a écrit :
In fact, I would recommend we change this behaviour. When the user wants to close a window, it should not have side-effects like opening up a new window. It seems like a bug, as it goes against the convention of all other programs.
I think I saw other programs working like that… But I agree it's not a common and modern working.
Also, if the user opens inkscape, and immediately chooses to open a recent file, or indeed any of the new files options from the file menu (based on template, etc.) it should open it up in the same window. It's useless to keep around a new document window when it is clearly not needed/wanted.
Yes, that would be much better.
Just take a look at how LibreOffice works. It is exactly like Inkscape, except that it can have no open documents (and it catches all instances in a single one).
Note that GIMP can work with several windows. Don't you remember you checked something in the ‘Windows’ menu the first time you launched the software? But even in multi-window mode, it can have no open documents. -- Sylvain
As of GIMP 2.9, single window mode is the default, so choosing it out of the Windows menu dropdown is no longer necessary. :) It's been a long time since I've used a version of GIMP that wasn't the development version...
-C
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Sylvain Chiron <chironsylvain@...3370...> wrote:
Le 20/06/2016 à 00:03, C R a écrit :
In fact, I would recommend we change this behaviour. When the user wants to close a window, it should not have side-effects like opening up a new window. It seems like a bug, as it goes against the convention of all other programs.
I think I saw other programs working like that… But I agree it's not a common and modern working.
Also, if the user opens inkscape, and immediately chooses to open a recent file, or indeed any of the new files options from the file menu (based on template, etc.) it should open it up in the same window. It's useless to keep around a new document window when it is clearly not needed/wanted.
Yes, that would be much better.
Just take a look at how LibreOffice works. It is exactly like Inkscape, except that it can have no open documents (and it catches all instances in a single one).
Note that GIMP can work with several windows. Don't you remember you checked something in the ‘Windows’ menu the first time you launched the software? But even in multi-window mode, it can have no open documents. -- Sylvain
What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohomanageengine _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
MY idea is that Inkscape would works as Gimp in this case because you can close all the files, and the program still ready for continue working, if you close the program when close the last file you are obligated to goint to the aplications panel, or comand line or the file searcher to open the other file where you want to works, or create a new file.
For me is estrange remember open a new file, before close the last one only to preserve opened inkscape.
This maner of works in inkscape is like you turn off your car every time you come to a red light. And Start again when change to the green. When you are working need the car started all the time. : )
2016-06-19 15:30 GMT-06:00 C R <cajhne@...400...>:
What do you know about why if you close the last opened file, close the
entire program too?, and why if open various files, open various windows of the program?
You may have noticed that Inkscape opens windows for each file that's open. In fact, if you open inkscape without specifying a file (like from the program icon or command line) it will open up a new document.
This is in contrast to programs like GIMP which open up each file in a tab inside one program window. It makes sense for GIMP to keep the program open when the last file is gone because you can open a new file and it becomes a tab in the window. Since Inkscape opens up a window for each file, if there are no files, there are no windows. :) So if you wanted Inkscape to stay open... what would you see? Should it pop up another empty file?
-C
Thanks again and see you soon.
José
2016-06-16 22:33 GMT-06:00 Brynn <brynn@...3133...>:
Welcome to the community, Jose!
I'm unable to answer most of your questions. (I'm not a developer.) But just want to mention there is an extention that provides multiple page support, using PDF. It's not native, but some people find it helpful.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/inkscape-pages/
Native support would be most ideal though.
All best, brynn
From: imagen imperio Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:38 PM To: Bryce Harrington Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] features
Hi everybody,
My name is José Quintanilla, i am graphic designer is an honor for me are in this list, where I can express my doubts and suggestions about this great software and project.
I come from the dark side (win...s) and his bad brother Adobe, i am searching for freedom, boring about licenses, cracks, patches, etc... and i want to give my sand grain for this project. For example:
I dont understand why if you have an only one file open and you close it, the program close it too. will be better if you can close the file without close it the entire program.
Is highly desirable too, has multiple sheets, if you work a flyer which has content in both sides, this is extremely necesary mainly for the texts that could end in a side of the paper and continue in the other.
This steep, change from side is hard for everyone but for the designers, tied to windows, mac and adobe is extremly hard. But i know is correct. I am studying, inkscape, and Gimp, and doing some real works here to show to others folks that change is possible and invite others to give this steep.
Thanks for your efforts to enhance this software for the world.
See you soon.
José
2016-06-16 18:25 GMT-06:00 Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...>:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 01:39:13PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
On Thu, 2016-06-16 at 18:32 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
About JPEG and other raster exports, I also wonder why they're not allowed; I suppose it's not the purpose of the project… Actually, I think JPEG is a quite weird choice for vector graphics.
The question about JPEG is that jpeg is a terrible format for vector images. It's something that you should NOT do unless you are doing something very special.
It's a request I've heard before. Making it easy for users to make mistakes is a hard thing to support, even if it's popular. I want to give users what they want, but in this case, jpeg is just too wrong.
Right, with the age of the project you can pretty well assume something as common as JPEG support has been discussed before, and its omission is an intentional decision.
For the other ideas, agreed - discussing them on the list is totally fine but if you don't want them to get forgotten make sure they're recorded in launchpad.
Bryce
What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohomanageengine _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
--
José Quintanilla Ramírez
Imagen Imperio
www.imagenimperio.net
83993758
What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohomanageengine
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-- José Quintanilla Ramírez Imagen Imperio www.imagenimperio.net http://imagenimperio.us/ 83993758
What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohomanageengine _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
On 20 June 2016 at 00:16, imagen imperio <imagen.imperio@...400...> wrote:
This maner of works in inkscape is like you turn off your car every time you come to a red light. And Start again when change to the green. When you are working need the car started all the time. : )
Off topic: Note that new cars do that! :-) See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start-stop_system.
Sebastian
Hi Everyone, Just my simple thoughts :-)
I actually like the current behavior. It annoys me in GIMP, when I close a file, then I have to make another step to close the program.
What is the reason to keep a graphics program open, after you close the file you were working on? The only reason I can think of is to open another file. What else can you do with a graphics program, if there is no document open to be edited? So to me, it doesn't make sense to have the whole program loaded, when it would only be needed for one purpose - to open another document.
Note that I'm no computer whiz. But I see the word processing or desktop publishing kind of programs (like Word or Open Office or Libre Office or Scribus) working like that. And it does make sense for those, because they are able to create and edit multiple pages for a single document, and multiple pages might need to be loaded for a single project.
But to my simple, not-very-technical way of thinking, it doesn't make sense for Inkscape, because there is no multiple page feature yet. When Inkscape natively can create a single document with more than 1 page, then I think it makes more sense.
However, if keeping Inkscape open when there are no files or documents open, would lessen the load on the system, when multiple documents are open, I would be really in favor of that!
Thanks, brynn
________________________________________ From: imagen imperio Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 4:16 PM To: C R Cc: inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fwd: features
MY idea is that Inkscape would works as Gimp in this case because you can close all the files, and the program still ready for continue working, if you close the program when close the last file you are obligated to goint to the aplications panel, or comand line or the file searcher to open the other file where you want to works, or create a new file.
For me is estrange remember open a new file, before close the last one only to preserve opened inkscape.
This maner of works in inkscape is like you turn off your car every time you come to a red light. And Start again when change to the green. When you are working need the car started all the time. : )
2016-06-19 15:30 GMT-06:00 C R <cajhne@...400...>:
What do you know about why if you close the last opened file, close the entire program too?, and why if open various files, open various windows of the program?
You may have noticed that Inkscape opens windows for each file that's open. In fact, if you open inkscape without specifying a file (like from the program icon or command line) it will open up a new document.
This is in contrast to programs like GIMP which open up each file in a tab inside one program window. It makes sense for GIMP to keep the program open when the last file is gone because you can open a new file and it becomes a tab in the window. Since Inkscape opens up a window for each file, if there are no files, there are no windows. :) So if you wanted Inkscape to stay open... what would you see? Should it pop up another empty file?
-C
Thanks again and see you soon.
José
2016-06-16 22:33 GMT-06:00 Brynn <brynn@...3133...>:
Welcome to the community, Jose!
I'm unable to answer most of your questions. (I'm not a developer.) But just want to mention there is an extention that provides multiple page support, using PDF. It's not native, but some people find it helpful.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/inkscape-pages/
Native support would be most ideal though.
All best, brynn
____________________________________________ From: imagen imperio Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:38 PM To: Bryce Harrington Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] features
Hi everybody,
My name is José Quintanilla, i am graphic designer is an honor for me are in this list, where I can express my doubts and suggestions about this great software and project.
I come from the dark side (win...s) and his bad brother Adobe, i am searching for freedom, boring about licenses, cracks, patches, etc... and i want to give my sand grain for this project. For example:
I dont understand why if you have an only one file open and you close it, the program close it too. will be better if you can close the file without close it the entire program.
Is highly desirable too, has multiple sheets, if you work a flyer which has content in both sides, this is extremely necesary mainly for the texts that could end in a side of the paper and continue in the other.
This steep, change from side is hard for everyone but for the designers, tied to windows, mac and adobe is extremly hard. But i know is correct. I am studying, inkscape, and Gimp, and doing some real works here to show to others folks that change is possible and invite others to give this steep.
Thanks for your efforts to enhance this software for the world.
See you soon.
José
2016-06-16 18:25 GMT-06:00 Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...>:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 01:39:13PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
On Thu, 2016-06-16 at 18:32 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
About JPEG and other raster exports, I also wonder why they're not allowed; I suppose it's not the purpose of the project… Actually, I think JPEG is a quite weird choice for vector graphics.
The question about JPEG is that jpeg is a terrible format for vector images. It's something that you should NOT do unless you are doing something very special.
It's a request I've heard before. Making it easy for users to make mistakes is a hard thing to support, even if it's popular. I want to give users what they want, but in this case, jpeg is just too wrong.
Right, with the age of the project you can pretty well assume something as common as JPEG support has been discussed before, and its omission is an intentional decision.
For the other ideas, agreed - discussing them on the list is totally fine but if you don't want them to get forgotten make sure they're recorded in launchpad.
Bryce
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On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 08:18:14PM -0600, Brynn wrote:
Hi Everyone, Just my simple thoughts :-)
I actually like the current behavior. It annoys me in GIMP, when I close a file, then I have to make another step to close the program.
Is it a big deal to close inkscape (or any other program) with a aingle click ? I admit I don't use inkscape a lot - mostly only testing that nothing has obviously broken with newer versions of other packages - but I use the gimp quite a lot, and if I edit one image there is a strong likelihood that I will edit another.
And the same for working on spreadsheets and text documents in libreoffice, so I assume that people who use inkscape heavily will edit several documents in a session, perhaps even several at one time (tweak one, make similar changes in another, etc).
Oh - I should add that the netbook where I'm replying to you has only 1GB RAM (it came with windows 7 but was never able to run that) and there I usually have things in swap, with a slow laptop disk, so yes, in that context *everything* can be slow.
However, if keeping Inkscape open when there are no files or documents open, would lessen the load on the system, when multiple documents are open, I would be really in favor of that!
You have a problem with the load on the system ? Even on my 4GB desktop machine I do not usually have a problem with multiple programs on multiple desktops - except when I'm rebuilding firefox and it gets to the point where it links : at that point, even a quiet system with 4GB RAM can go into swap.
BTW - replying under what you are replying to, and trimming out the other parts, is generally considered to be good practice on 'nix lists - I had not realised how much was underneath your reply until I attemepted to reply to you. There is a reason top posting is usually considered to be evil, even if google promotes it ;-)
ĸen
On 20 June 2016 at 05:10, Ken Moffat <zarniwhoop@...3141...> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 08:18:14PM -0600, Brynn wrote:
Hi Everyone, Just my simple thoughts :-)
I actually like the current behavior. It annoys me in GIMP, when I close a file, then I have to make another step to close the program.
Is it a big deal to close inkscape (or any other program) with a aingle click ? I admit I don't use inkscape a lot - mostly only testing that nothing has obviously broken with newer versions of other packages - but I use the gimp quite a lot, and if I edit one image there is a strong likelihood that I will edit another.
And the same for working on spreadsheets and text documents in libreoffice, so I assume that people who use inkscape heavily will edit several documents in a session, perhaps even several at one time (tweak one, make similar changes in another, etc).
Oh - I should add that the netbook where I'm replying to you has only 1GB RAM (it came with windows 7 but was never able to run that) and there I usually have things in swap, with a slow laptop disk, so yes, in that context *everything* can be slow.
My workflow is normally to load a file, edit it, close it, load another one, edit it, close it. And because a restart of the whole program takes longer than just opening another file while it's open (even on fast machines), I agree with Ken that keeping Inkscape open after the last document gets closed makes more sense.
This could be achieved by introducing a multi-document interface that has a close button for each document additionally to the window close button like it is available in many other programs like word processors or IDEs. Clicking the document close button would only close the current document, while clicking the window close button would result in closing the whole program. This allows to serve both use cases.
Sebastian
BTW - replying under what you are replying to, and trimming out the other parts, is generally considered to be good practice on 'nix lists - I had not realised how much was underneath your reply until I attemepted to reply to you. There is a reason top posting is usually considered to be evil, even if google promotes it ;-)
I apologize for that. This is the first time I've ever participated on a mailing list. Even though it's been over 2 years, no one has ever referred me to some kind of 'best practice for mailing lists' info.
To me, it seems like proper documentation not to delete someone else's comments. I have noticed that a lot of people use what they call "inline" style of reply, but I often find it confusing to follow. I always thought it was more of a shortcut, than a desired technique.
As I said, I'm no computer whiz. Just offering an opposing view, because it seemed like no one else was going to.
(I have seen some developers make a very reasonable argument for the current behavior, so I'm surprised they haven't posted what I've read in the past. Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly what they said.)
Anyway, point me to some kind of mailing list best practice, and I will do my best to follow it. :-)
All best, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Ken Moffat" <zarniwhoop@...3141...> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:10 PM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...> Cc: "imagen imperio" <imagen.imperio@...400...>; "C R" <cajhne@...400...>; "inkscape-devel" inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fwd: features
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 08:18:14PM -0600, Brynn wrote:
Hi Everyone, Just my simple thoughts :-)
I actually like the current behavior. It annoys me in GIMP, when I close a file, then I have to make another step to close the program.
Is it a big deal to close inkscape (or any other program) with a aingle click ? I admit I don't use inkscape a lot - mostly only testing that nothing has obviously broken with newer versions of other packages - but I use the gimp quite a lot, and if I edit one image there is a strong likelihood that I will edit another.
And the same for working on spreadsheets and text documents in libreoffice, so I assume that people who use inkscape heavily will edit several documents in a session, perhaps even several at one time (tweak one, make similar changes in another, etc).
Oh - I should add that the netbook where I'm replying to you has only 1GB RAM (it came with windows 7 but was never able to run that) and there I usually have things in swap, with a slow laptop disk, so yes, in that context *everything* can be slow.
However, if keeping Inkscape open when there are no files or documents open, would lessen the load on the system, when multiple documents are open, I would be really in favor of that!
You have a problem with the load on the system ? Even on my 4GB desktop machine I do not usually have a problem with multiple programs on multiple desktops - except when I'm rebuilding firefox and it gets to the point where it links : at that point, even a quiet system with 4GB RAM can go into swap.
BTW - replying under what you are replying to, and trimming out the other parts, is generally considered to be good practice on 'nix lists - I had not realised how much was underneath your reply until I attemepted to reply to you. There is a reason top posting is usually considered to be evil, even if google promotes it ;-)
ĸen
War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is Strength
It seems that no one in the thread is completely happy with how Inkscape currently works in this regard. Thus, my recommendation after reading and considering what has been said by everyone so far:
Use cases:
1. Action: User opens Open Inkscape 1. Result: Open Untitled new blank document (Same behaviour as now)
2. Action: User immediately opens a file without doing anything on-canvas 2. Result: Load file in current window (don't spawn new one).
3. Action: User closes a document (ctrl-w or otherwise) : 3. Result A: If there are other Inkscape windows open, close document window, leave inkscape running, and all other windows open (current behaviour) 3. Result B: If there are no other Inkscape windows open, close document, but not the window (displaying maybe something like GIMP has with a watermarked Inkscape logo and some message saying "To open a file, new document, or recent file, choose an option from the File menu. Hit Ctrl+W again to close Inkscape"
4. Action: User hits ctrl-w again the empty Inkscape screen 4. Result: Inkscape closes.
Workflow improvements:
Case 1 saves 0 actions (current behaviour) Case 2 saves -1 action (closing window) over current behaviour Case 3B gains +1 action over current behaviour for closing out Inkscape, but saves -1 action having to relaunch Inkscape for those who are still working in Inkscape.
The take-away here is that for the price of having to hit ctrl+w one further time on the last file, you save having to reopen Inkscape, which could in-fact be +2 or +3 actions depending on how the user launches Inkscape, and also the loading time (which may or may not be negligible, depending on the system, etc.)
Thoughts?
-C
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
BTW - replying under what you are replying to, and trimming out the other parts, is generally considered to be good practice on 'nix lists - I had not realised how much was underneath your reply until I attemepted to reply to you. There is a reason top posting is usually considered to be evil, even if google promotes it ;-)
I apologize for that. This is the first time I've ever participated on a mailing list. Even though it's been over 2 years, no one has ever referred me to some kind of 'best practice for mailing lists' info.
To me, it seems like proper documentation not to delete someone else's comments. I have noticed that a lot of people use what they call "inline" style of reply, but I often find it confusing to follow. I always thought it was more of a shortcut, than a desired technique.
As I said, I'm no computer whiz. Just offering an opposing view, because it seemed like no one else was going to.
(I have seen some developers make a very reasonable argument for the current behavior, so I'm surprised they haven't posted what I've read in the past. Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly what they said.)
Anyway, point me to some kind of mailing list best practice, and I will do my best to follow it. :-)
All best, brynn
From: "Ken Moffat" <zarniwhoop@...3141...> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:10 PM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...> Cc: "imagen imperio" <imagen.imperio@...400...>; "C R" <cajhne@...400...>; "inkscape-devel" inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fwd: features
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 08:18:14PM -0600, Brynn wrote:
Hi Everyone, Just my simple thoughts :-)
I actually like the current behavior. It annoys me in GIMP, when I close a file, then I have to make another step to close the program.
Is it a big deal to close inkscape (or any other program) with a aingle click ? I admit I don't use inkscape a lot - mostly only testing that nothing has obviously broken with newer versions of other packages - but I use the gimp quite a lot, and if I edit one image there is a strong likelihood that I will edit another.
And the same for working on spreadsheets and text documents in libreoffice, so I assume that people who use inkscape heavily will edit several documents in a session, perhaps even several at one time (tweak one, make similar changes in another, etc).
Oh - I should add that the netbook where I'm replying to you has only 1GB RAM (it came with windows 7 but was never able to run that) and there I usually have things in swap, with a slow laptop disk, so yes, in that context *everything* can be slow.
However, if keeping Inkscape open when there are no files or documents open, would lessen the load on the system, when multiple documents are open, I would be really in favor of that!
You have a problem with the load on the system ? Even on my 4GB
desktop machine I do not usually have a problem with multiple programs on multiple desktops - except when I'm rebuilding firefox and it gets to the point where it links : at that point, even a quiet system with 4GB RAM can go into swap.
BTW - replying under what you are replying to, and trimming out the other parts, is generally considered to be good practice on 'nix lists - I had not realised how much was underneath your reply until I attemepted to reply to you. There is a reason top posting is usually considered to be evil, even if google promotes it ;-)
ĸen
War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is Strength
+1
I'd only add the differentiation on how a document is closed ('X' is the close button in the title bar or alt-F4 under Windows, that is the "WM_CLOSE" message): - if with ctrl-W (close document) or clicking 'X' not in the last window, as described; - if with ctrl-Q (close program) or clicking 'X' in the last window then close the window shutting down Inkscape as happens today.
In other words: - ctrl-Q shuts down Inkscape, ctrl-W keeps one window open; - the 'X' acts as ctrl-W in all but last windows and as ctrl-Q in the last window; - ctrl-Q should display a confirmation dialog before closing everything if more than one window is open.
This should keep all the advantages of the proposed solution, taking away the disadvantages when working mainly with a single window.
Luca
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In other words:
- ctrl-Q shuts down Inkscape, ctrl-W keeps one window open;
- the 'X' acts as ctrl-W in all but last windows and as ctrl-Q in the last
window;
- ctrl-Q should display a confirmation dialog before closing everything if
more than one window is open.
This should keep all the advantages of the proposed solution, taking away
the disadvantages when working mainly with a single window.
Yes, I agree completely. This Ctrl+Q to close all Inkscape windows and Inkscape is quite useful, since I often work across multiple desktops, and need to close inkscape without window-hunting. :)
-C
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Excuse me if i offend somebody,
But i think that if inkscape looks or works more similar to the softwares that works under windog : ) more designer would be willing to emigrate., i always speak thinking in the designers, because i am one, and now i am teacher in one of the more important universities in my country, where are the first Design School, so is a very important place where to start to talk about open source, free software, etc, but is hard when you only know Adobe and Corel, convence the people that there is a new and easy way to work without fear about licenses, demands, viruses, etc. if you need to learn something from the begining.... normally people say me: *No, I already use Adobe, and it was hard to learn, imagine you to start over from scratch.*
I dont want a vulgar copy of illustrator, i am following in love with inkscape, it is agile, lightweight, and potent, has the strong properties of corel, as the posibility to create arts of big sizes, but i want do not change a lot of my process of work.
Thanks for all input and ideas.
2016-06-20 10:31 GMT-06:00 C R <cajhne@...400...>:
In other words:
- ctrl-Q shuts down Inkscape, ctrl-W keeps one window open;
- the 'X' acts as ctrl-W in all but last windows and as ctrl-Q in the
last window;
- ctrl-Q should display a confirmation dialog before closing everything
if more than one window is open.
This should keep all the advantages of the proposed solution, taking away
the disadvantages when working mainly with a single window.
Yes, I agree completely. This Ctrl+Q to close all Inkscape windows and Inkscape is quite useful, since I often work across multiple desktops, and need to close inkscape without window-hunting. :)
-C
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But i think that if inkscape looks or works more similar to the softwares that works under windog : )
Inkscape is developed for Windows too. It's important to look past the platform and develop software that works well anywhere you run it, and where possible use conventions that are put in place to keep the users from having to re-learn everything every time they pick up a new piece of software. This has nothing to do with Windows, and everything to do with usability and user experience.
more designer would be willing to emigrate., i always speak thinking in the designers, because i am one, and now i am teacher in one of the more important universities in my country, where are the first Design School, so is a very important place where to start to talk about open source, free software, etc,
Good for you for supporting FLOSS! An easy way to get people interested in Inkscape may be to add it to a graphics toolset, and teach classes that use it for the lessons.
but is hard when you only know Adobe and Corel, convence the people that
there is a new and easy way to work without fear about licenses, demands, viruses, etc. if you need to learn something from the begining....
I disagree. As a designer you want to design. You don't want to have to deal with software that ignores all usability conventions for no reason, just for the sake of being new and different.
normally people say me: *No, I already use Adobe, and it was hard to learn, imagine you to start over from scratch.*
Yes. All professional graphic design programs are going to have a learning curve. There is no solution that will be easy for everything, or everyone. The more you can do in the program, the more complexity you have to deal with, and there are many many kinds of artists, with many different needs. Students that don't want to learn something new because it takes time will never switch. In fact, they will probably not be effective designers for very long, because they do not love to explore new things, new ways of doing things and will wind up with a very limited graphics toolset.
I dont want a vulgar copy of illustrator, i am following in love with inkscape, it is agile, lightweight, and potent, has the strong properties of corel, as the posibility to create arts of big sizes, but i want do not change a lot of my process of work.
I think it's clear to anyone who has used Inkscape that it is not a copy of Illustrator (or Corel Draw), but when learning new software, you will have to change your workflow from other software at least a little, no matter what software you are switching from. Following conventions of common software interfaces makes it easier to switch or use both in tandem in a production environment. So the very same things that seem like "copying" are also the things that seem "intuitive", and "easy". That's primarily because software (like everything else) is built on incremental improvements of things developed in the past. It is best to think: "Can we do this better than before?". Sometimes the answer is yes, but often the simple time-tested conventions have lasted because they create quick and efficient workflows that are easy for artists to learn because they are like other UI conventions that user already knows.
Thanks for all input and ideas.
Thanks for yours too. You could maybe inspire your students by assigning a challenge. How much of your graphics projects can you do in Inkscape, GIMP, Scribus, and Krita? They will discover tools they did not know where available in what they are used to, and for free no less. :)
In the end, they will have to enjoy adventure. Enjoy learning new things to be able to switch entirely. This is like anything else however.
Although you may see similarities, rest assured, we are not out to copy Illustrator or Corel. :)
-C
2016-06-20 10:31 GMT-06:00 C R <cajhne@...400...>:
In other words:
- ctrl-Q shuts down Inkscape, ctrl-W keeps one window open;
- the 'X' acts as ctrl-W in all but last windows and as ctrl-Q in the
last window;
- ctrl-Q should display a confirmation dialog before closing everything
if more than one window is open.
This should keep all the advantages of the proposed solution, taking away
the disadvantages when working mainly with a single window.
Yes, I agree completely. This Ctrl+Q to close all Inkscape windows and Inkscape is quite useful, since I often work across multiple desktops, and need to close inkscape without window-hunting. :)
-C
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Le 20/06/2016 à 19:25, imagen imperio a écrit :
But i think that if inkscape looks or works more similar to the softwares that works under windog : ) more designer would be willing to emigrate.
Sure… Different softwares don't have the same story, they don't follow the same ways. Inkscape may have focused on some needs that other vector softwares didn't consider, and that's also true in the other direction.
normally people say me: /*No, I already use Adobe, and it was hard to learn, imagine you to start over from scratch.*/
I think it's a strange answer… Don't you have some theoric knowledge which has nothing to do with the softwares, as well as many software things you learned on proprietary softs you'll reuse on Inkscape? Yes, switching implies learning and a bit more work at the beginning, but not so much I think, and it is worth the switching, especially when you are a teacher.
Using FLOSS is not only a matter of ‘not to fear licenses and all’ but also everything which comes with FLOSS. As an example, if you donate to the Inkscape project, the impact on the software will just be at least a hundred times more interesting than it would if you paid the same amount to Adobe for their software. With Inkscape, you're with a friendly and responsible community (yes, to me, Adobe isn't responsible — :)). You can quite easily get the software change the way you want (if there are good reasons) by interacting the community, whereas it's much more difficult with Adobe. Well… I don't want to launch a debate here about how much proprietary software is a horrible thing to me as are scandals such as tax evasion; just read something radical like Richard's speeches on http://www.gnu.org/philosophy and you may understand. All this might help you convince your colleagues about using FLOSS.
I think most people here, if not all, have tried to make people around them using FLOSS. I'm also trying with the Bépo keyboard layout (a Dvorak-style keyboard layout for French, which is much more ergonomic than Azerty and offers more characters), and it's a hard task — :). But sometimes friends do switch. And the good thing is, when you're using Bépo, you never go back to Azerty; the same with FLOSS against proprietary.
Thanks for all input and ideas.
Here they are — :). -- Sylvain
Apologies for the double mail. Gmail is a great service for lots of things, and completely unusable for others. :)
It seems that no one in the thread is completely happy with how Inkscape currently works in this regard. Thus, my recommendation after reading and considering what has been said by everyone so far:
Use cases:
1. Action: User opens Open Inkscape 1. Result: Open Untitled new blank document (Same behaviour as now)
2. Action: User immediately opens a file without doing anything on-canvas 2. Result: Load file in current window (don't spawn new one).
3. Action: User closes a document (ctrl-w or otherwise) : 3. Result A: If there are other Inkscape windows open, close document window, leave inkscape running, and all other windows open (current behaviour) 3. Result B: If there are no other Inkscape windows open, close document, but not the window (displaying maybe something like GIMP has with a watermarked Inkscape logo and some message saying "To open a file, new document, or recent file, choose an option from the File menu. Hit Ctrl+W again to close Inkscape"
4. Action: User hits ctrl-w again the empty Inkscape screen 4. Result: Inkscape closes.
Workflow improvements:
Case 1 saves 0 actions (current behaviour) Case 2 saves -1 action (closing window) over current behaviour Case 3B gains +1 action over current behaviour for closing out Inkscape, but saves -1 action having to relaunch Inkscape for those who are still working in Inkscape.
The take-away here is that for the price of having to hit ctrl+w one further time on the last file, you save having to reopen Inkscape, which could in-fact be +2 or +3 actions depending on how the user launches Inkscape, and also the loading time (which may or may not be negligible, depending on the system, etc.)
Thoughts?
-C
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
BTW - replying under what you are replying to, and trimming out the other parts, is generally considered to be good practice on 'nix lists - I had not realised how much was underneath your reply until I attemepted to reply to you. There is a reason top posting is usually considered to be evil, even if google promotes it ;-)
I apologize for that. This is the first time I've ever participated on a mailing list. Even though it's been over 2 years, no one has ever referred me to some kind of 'best practice for mailing lists' info.
To me, it seems like proper documentation not to delete someone else's comments. I have noticed that a lot of people use what they call "inline" style of reply, but I often find it confusing to follow. I always thought it was more of a shortcut, than a desired technique.
As I said, I'm no computer whiz. Just offering an opposing view, because it seemed like no one else was going to.
(I have seen some developers make a very reasonable argument for the current behavior, so I'm surprised they haven't posted what I've read in the past. Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly what they said.)
Anyway, point me to some kind of mailing list best practice, and I will do my best to follow it. :-)
All best, brynn
From: "Ken Moffat" <zarniwhoop@...3141...> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:10 PM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...> Cc: "imagen imperio" <imagen.imperio@...400...>; "C R" <cajhne@...400...>; "inkscape-devel" inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fwd: features
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 08:18:14PM -0600, Brynn wrote:
Hi Everyone, Just my simple thoughts :-)
I actually like the current behavior. It annoys me in GIMP, when I close a file, then I have to make another step to close the program.
Is it a big deal to close inkscape (or any other program) with a aingle click ? I admit I don't use inkscape a lot - mostly only testing that nothing has obviously broken with newer versions of other packages - but I use the gimp quite a lot, and if I edit one image there is a strong likelihood that I will edit another.
And the same for working on spreadsheets and text documents in libreoffice, so I assume that people who use inkscape heavily will edit several documents in a session, perhaps even several at one time (tweak one, make similar changes in another, etc).
Oh - I should add that the netbook where I'm replying to you has only 1GB RAM (it came with windows 7 but was never able to run that) and there I usually have things in swap, with a slow laptop disk, so yes, in that context *everything* can be slow.
However, if keeping Inkscape open when there are no files or documents open, would lessen the load on the system, when multiple documents are open, I would be really in favor of that!
You have a problem with the load on the system ? Even on my 4GB
desktop machine I do not usually have a problem with multiple programs on multiple desktops - except when I'm rebuilding firefox and it gets to the point where it links : at that point, even a quiet system with 4GB RAM can go into swap.
BTW - replying under what you are replying to, and trimming out the other parts, is generally considered to be good practice on 'nix lists - I had not realised how much was underneath your reply until I attemepted to reply to you. There is a reason top posting is usually considered to be evil, even if google promotes it ;-)
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On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 06:19:14AM -0600, Brynn wrote:
To me, it seems like proper documentation not to delete someone else's comments. I have noticed that a lot of people use what they call "inline" style of reply, but I often find it confusing to follow. I always thought it was more of a shortcut, than a desired technique.
The problems with not deleting are that you waste bandwidth (for an individual, that is rarely important, but for a list the cost can mount up) and when you are replying to an already long reply it becomes much harder to keep track.
Anyway, point me to some kind of mailing list best practice, and I will do my best to follow it. :-)
wikipedia covers the styles - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
And there you will note that some lists (particularly those where most people use microsoft machines) think that top-posting is the right way - but even there list admins may complain about posting everything.
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